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RacePhoto

« on: March 19, 2012, 21:12 »
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People drink bottled water. I don't know why they want neutered water in a container that fills dumps with waste and takes water to produce the plastic. The public water system is free (relatively speaking) for everyone and good on the whole. That is for the places that are lucky enough to have clean public water. But bottled water actually threatens the public water supply and confidence.

Soda: (USA)
"Several of the nation's leading health experts are calling for a tax on soda as a means of curbing America's obesity-epidemic." on the same web page "people who drank diet soda every day had a 61 percent higher risk of vascular events" and "...the researchers found no increased risk among people who drank regular soda."

The recent caramel coloring change because of CA potential labeling requirements. (one study on rats) According to the FDA - a person would have to drink more than 1,000 cans of pop a day to reach the doses that have shown links to cancer in rodents. Not done yet?

"Citric and phosphoric acids are the main players in tooth destruction, and are commonly used by beverage companies to artificially create the various fruit flavors." Plus the carbonation. Some other choices are worse: "The ingredients in power drinks may be two to three times as destructive as sodas," (anyone following my line of thought here? Everything is evil, we need to tax it or ban it)

Has the world gone mad with natural foods? So called organic chickens? (what are the rest, inorganic chickens?) Food labeling that is unregulated, like the word organic to start with. Wheat has been the staple to developing civilization and now it's "bad for you". Meat that's processed to remove bacteria and prevent illness is called names and there are myths and scares flooding the web. The truth remains elusive. Mad cow! Sulfides on fruits and vegetables.

Red wine is good for you. Red wine is bad for you.

Food can be irradiated to kill things in it and make it less likely to spoil. Some people believe they will be eating radiation, and are against it. Hey, by the same logic, you don't want those microwaves still swimming around in your food do you? Some folks still believe that homogenized milk is somehow different from plain old milk. Hey, it's spun, whipped and mixed, that's all.

Sugar is bad, we've had years of those claims. (The sugar high anecdotal reports which are undocumented) Fake sugar is worse. A stronger possibility than something natural like real sugar. Salt is bad. Fat is bad. Carbs are bad. "National Institutes of Health researchers showed that gluten-derived polypeptides can cross into the brain and bind to the brains opiate receptors. So you get this mild euphoria after eating a product made with whole wheat."

The theory that drinking eight glasses of water a day will purify your system has been refuted. Too much? and the result is water intoxication, which produces symptoms ranging from mild headache to confusion, coma, seizures and occasionally even death. death from water? Funny how a little bit of truth becomes a big bit of fallacy. Caffeine does cause a loss of water, but only a fraction of what youre adding by drinking the beverage. A cup of coffee is about 2/3rd the water gain as plain water. You don't lose. You just don't gain as much.

Food fads come and go. What's odd to me is that some people go from one to another adding and leaving them behind, without somehow remembering that the last one was a myth, fraud or passing fad. Natural vitamins are unregulated, people buy them at shops where there's no control over potency. They are the same as the health and diet fads.

For a few years one will be in vogue, then it gets surpassed by something better. No studies, nothing but a friend who says, and the driving force is the people who market these potions and products. We call ourselves advanced and civilized and we're dealing with ancient myths and herbal medicines as if it's real science. Sometimes people get sick or are forever harmed by taking these earth medicines. Some of them do nothing but empty your pocketbooks. Belief is a strong medicine by itself.

Food Phobia is running wild! It has a name, should anyone care to know what it's called.  Cibophobia

I think the answer is clear. Eat nothing, don't breath the air, drink nothing. Soon all your food worries will be gone.  :D


« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2012, 21:50 »
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Hm... not sure what you are getting at Race. 

I drink bottled water.  I have an RO system, so did my neighbors. To my left, to my right, directly across the street, right beside her and 2 doors down every house has a pretty recent cancer death and I have an orphan (rare) disease that can't be cured but at least it's not cancer (although my odds for it have quadrupeled).  So, no, I don't drink my well water anymore.  I thought my RO plus ultraviolet light was the ultimate system but I have since discovered it can't remove certain things like radon and chemicals.  If it isn't the water, why is everyone getting rare cancers and diseases?

Organic chickens - well, the big difference is that they are still chickens.  They get to run around and peck at bugs and worms.  They have a normal growth cycle (not 6 weeks) and are not injected with penicillin, steroids and hormones.   They live on land that has not been treated with pesticides for at least 3 years.  They are not kept in their own feces in an overcrowded ittybitty cage and have not had their beaks clipped off.  They are not fed genetically modified grains.

Sugar is bad.  High fructose corn syrup is worse.  Aspartame, sucralose is worse yet.  They are secretly hiding it in eveyrthing from yogurt, gum and pasta sauce.

Genetically modified foods are changing the flora of our guts and according to Jeffrey Smith your actual DNA is change from eating one non-gmo tortilla chip.

The only food fad we should follow is to only eat things that are derived from nature (not genetically altered chickens either).  If you can't pronounce it, it likely isn't good for you.  If you can't buy a package of it to sprinkle on your food from the grocery store, you shouldn't consume it.  If you wouldn't buy a package of Phenylalkaline to consume, why would you eat something that has it on the label?

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« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2012, 04:47 »
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I keep 1 (one) bottle of water just in case, for the time the public water tastes bad. Luckily that happens about once in a year, for the remaining 364 days I drink public water.

Anyway, drinking water is a waste in itself as it could be used to make beer.

RacePhoto

« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2012, 11:06 »
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I keep 1 (one) bottle of water just in case, for the time the public water tastes bad. Luckily that happens about once in a year, for the remaining 364 days I drink public water.

Anyway, drinking water is a waste in itself as it could be used to make beer.

I have a faucet, but the better half has a Brita pitcher in the fridge. I was refering to the people who carry around the plastic bottle like a little it's attached to them as a piece of equipment. Buy and throw away, often without recycling, those cheap bottles, all day, every day. Take about green, it's wasteful and unnecessary.

Water out of the faucet is fine in most places, clean, regulated, pure. Water out of the ground is perfectly good in most places, might have some natural minerals and iron in it. (funny how natural water isn't like all the other "back to natural things?") So people are buying bottled water, which is neutered, and sometimes worse than tap water, while paying a premium... why? Have we been sold something that unnecessary.

Yes I fill my water bottles from the faucet, put them in the refrigerator. I also keep one or two frozen in the Summer. They go into the cooler, keep things cold and as the day progresses, I drink nice "ice cold" water. Home at night I refill and re-freeze. No waste no mess.

RacePhoto

« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2012, 11:14 »
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I keep 1 (one) bottle of water just in case, for the time the public water tastes bad. Luckily that happens about once in a year, for the remaining 364 days I drink public water.

Anyway, drinking water is a waste in itself as it could be used to make beer.

Yes and for everyone else with the same situation as you, I understand. I drank the water in LA and people said "we don't do that". Same thing in Las Vegas. "People don't drink tap water here." So keep in mind I come from someplace that has nice lake and deep aquifer water. I'm obviously being regional blind to others true problems. For the rest of the world with clean water? WHY?

Yes, beer is much better, cleaner (it's been boiled) more nutritious too.

Please consider the rant about water to be only about places that have perfectly good, clean, and pure tap water. Not ugly brackish, flat, hard water... although something tells me that civilization did exist for 200,000 years and we seemed to do OK without carrying plastic bottles of something that comes out of the ground, with fancy names and high prices. Bottled water is more about fashion and marketing for some people.

wut

« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2012, 19:26 »
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I drink bottled water.  I have an RO system, so did my neighbors. To my left, to my right, directly across the street, right beside her and 2 doors down every house has a pretty recent cancer death and I have an orphan (rare) disease that can't be cured but at least it's not cancer (although my odds for it have quadrupeled).  So, no, I don't drink my well water anymore.  I thought my RO plus ultraviolet light was the ultimate system but I have since discovered it can't remove certain things like radon and chemicals.  If it isn't the water, why is everyone getting rare cancers and diseases?


A couple of months ago a friend of mine watched this documentary http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1558250/, I can't remember the reason but it was probably somehow related with gas drilling and ppl all across America were dying because of it, water supply was poisoned. There was a scene when someone lit the lighter near an open tap and there was actually so much gas in the water that it, I don't know the right word, not really blew, but "enhanced" the flame (just as if you'd farted:). Of course Halliburton doesn't care about the ppl, never had and always was protected. At least light a lighter next to running water.

« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2012, 21:06 »
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Drink public water, don't drink public water  ???

Make up your mind people.

RacePhoto

« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2012, 14:38 »
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Drink public water, don't drink public water  ???

Make up your mind people.

Yes, weak diversion attempt from Oil, and politics. I failed.

In fact, drink whatever you want, I'm just pointing out some apparent contradictions from the food fads and so called natural living. Drinking high priced, bottled, neutered water that comes out of the ground, like all the rest of the water, some from city water supplies, in pretty (formerly tainted plastic bottles) and thinking it's something other than, just water, is silly. Talk about marketing and gullible people. Water? And brands? What makes the water 24 packs at some discount place, less expensive that something in a designer bottle with a pretty label, or what you can get from the ground? Well the price, packaging and the marketing to start with. LOL  ;D

After that, natural water has more minerals and healthful contents than the water that has been stripped of everything.

« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2012, 23:21 »
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Found this and thought it was rather funny!  ;D

http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html

Ban it all!!!!

« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2012, 00:47 »
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I keep 1 (one) bottle of water just in case, for the time the public water tastes bad. Luckily that happens about once in a year, for the remaining 364 days I drink public water.

Anyway, drinking water is a waste in itself as it could be used to make beer.


Yes and for everyone else with the same situation as you, I understand. I drank the water in LA and people said "we don't do that". Same thing in Las Vegas. "People don't drink tap water here." So keep in mind I come from someplace that has nice lake and deep aquifer water. I'm obviously being regional blind to others true problems. For the rest of the world with clean water? WHY?

Yes, beer is much better, cleaner (it's been boiled) more nutritious too.

Please consider the rant about water to be only about places that have perfectly good, clean, and pure tap water. Not ugly brackish, flat, hard water... although something tells me that civilization did exist for 200,000 years and we seemed to do OK without carrying plastic bottles of something that comes out of the ground, with fancy names and high prices. Bottled water is more about fashion and marketing for some people.


What you cant see wont hurt you http://www.ewg.org/tap-water/home

Las Vegas is rated 98 out of 100 as one of the Lowest Rated Water Utilities in terms of water quality, chemical and organic contamination. The Environmental Working Group's analysis of nearly 20 million drinking water tests conducted by water suppliers nationwide between 2004 and 2009 revealed hundreds of pollutants in U.S. tap water. For most, the government has set no safety-based legal limits. Many other contaminants were found in drinking water at concentrations well above government-issued advisory health guidelines.

Las Vegas is Rated 98 with a score of 100 awarded to water utilities with lowest water quality rating
http://www.ewg.org/tap-water/whatsinyourwater/NV/Las-Vegas-Valley-Water-District/0000090/

Los Angeles is Rated 83 with a score of 100 awarded to water utilities with lowest water quality rating
http://www.ewg.org/tap-water/whatsinyourwater/CA/Los-Angeles-Department-of-Water-and-Power/1910067/

I think I will stick to beer.

RacePhoto

« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2012, 01:53 »
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And in the other corner:

"But all those plastic bottles use a lot of fossil fuels and pollute the environment. In fact, Americans buy more bottled water than any other nation in the world, adding 29 billion water bottles a year to the problem. In order to make all these bottles, manufacturers use 17 million barrels of crude oil. Thats enough oil to keep a million cars going for twelve months." (National Geographic Society)

"Not only is the majority of U.S. tap water safe, but municipal water providers are required by the Safe Drinking Water Act to give their customers a "Right to Know" report that details what contaminants are in their water." Mother Nature Network

"The EPA regulates tap water, while the FDA oversees bottled. Yet FDA oversight doesnt apply to water packaged and sold within the same state, leaving some 60 to 70 percent of bottled water, including the contents of watercooler jugs, free of FDA regulation, according to the NRDCs report."

"In 1999 the NRDC tested more than 1,000 bottles of 103 brands of water. While noting that most bottled water is safe, the organization found that at least one sample of a third of the brands contained bacterial or chemical contaminants, including carcinogens, in levels exceeding state or industry standards."  Readers Digest

If you like paying 1000 times more for the same water you get out of your tap and sometimes more contaminated as it's being bottled. Keep believing the marketing hype for those pretty plastic bottles, which until recently could have been contaminated with phthalates.

CD123

« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2012, 17:02 »
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Race, as the saying goes, do (eat/drink) everything to moderation. No matter what the "wise ones" of the specific era then decide, what was actually good and was bad, you did not take enough of it to really harm you.

So eat, drink, be merry, for tomorrow we all die of lung cancer or a nuclear disaster, which had nothing to do with what we ate or drank in any case......  :D

« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2012, 17:56 »
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And in the other corner:

"But all those plastic bottles use a lot of fossil fuels and pollute the environment. In fact, Americans buy more bottled water than any other nation in the world, adding 29 billion water bottles a year to the problem. In order to make all these bottles, manufacturers use 17 million barrels of crude oil. Thats enough oil to keep a million cars going for twelve months." (National Geographic Society)

"Not only is the majority of U.S. tap water safe, but municipal water providers are required by the Safe Drinking Water Act to give their customers a "Right to Know" report that details what contaminants are in their water." Mother Nature Network

"The EPA regulates tap water, while the FDA oversees bottled. Yet FDA oversight doesnt apply to water packaged and sold within the same state, leaving some 60 to 70 percent of bottled water, including the contents of watercooler jugs, free of FDA regulation, according to the NRDCs report."

"In 1999 the NRDC tested more than 1,000 bottles of 103 brands of water. While noting that most bottled water is safe, the organization found that at least one sample of a third of the brands contained bacterial or chemical contaminants, including carcinogens, in levels exceeding state or industry standards."  Readers Digest

If you like paying 1000 times more for the same water you get out of your tap and sometimes more contaminated as it's being bottled. Keep believing the marketing hype for those pretty plastic bottles, which until recently could have been contaminated with phthalates.

We have a RO water filter and use stainless steel or glass water containers for sports activities.  We also make our own beer and wine so no wasted bottles or phthalates for our little brood.

« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2012, 18:01 »
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I drink bottled water in some locations of the world but here, in Vancouver, it's one of the great marketing achievements of all time selling bottled water to the masses. It just makes no sense. Never mind the ridiculous price of bottled water but  that city water is excellent and in most cases better than bottled water.


 

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