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« on: April 13, 2012, 07:45 »
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The news letter from Panther "Important Legal Info - Rights Managed Images and our new platform PantherStock" has an inactive link (RM overview page) concerning Rights Managed Images.  After contacting them, they sent me this email with the correct link:


Hi, here is the correct link: http://contributor.panthermedia.net/cms/overview-rights-managed-licenses


Best regards
PantherMedia team
« Last Edit: April 13, 2012, 07:47 by etienjones »


lagereek

« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2012, 10:09 »
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I am all for RM business, no doubt. Although, whats happening? is it OK to just go ahead and activate it? or, will the images activated be exclusive to Panther? i.e, not to exist on other sites.

Microbius

« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2012, 10:28 »
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This was at the bottom of the email describing the RM stuff:
"Tax adjustment for international photographers

We had to modify the payout for our international photographers. PantherMedia has to deduct a general income tax at 15% for all international photographers outside of Germany (15a German Income Tax Act). Based upon the Double Tax Treaty between Germany and your respective country, you do not have to pay additional income tax in your country.

Please note: This income tax has nothing to do with VAT. All private people, as well as companies have to pay this tax in Germany. For additional info, please have a look at the Double Tax Treaty between Germany and your country or refer to your tax consultant. "

Microbius

« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2012, 10:33 »
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The way I read the RM description is that it is actually like the API stuff Fotolia does where the customer doesn't buy an extended license for print on demand but will have to pay only in the event of selling an item, and pay per item.
With other micros it was a matter of them buying a standard license with each sale on behalf of the person who buys the poster etc., with PM it sounds like they will be paying a percentage of the final item cost.

It doesn't actually sound anything like traditional RM, I think they are just dressing it up to sound a bit nicer.

Microbius

« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2012, 10:34 »
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I am all for RM business, no doubt. Although, whats happening? is it OK to just go ahead and activate it? or, will the images activated be exclusive to Panther? i.e, not to exist on other sites.

Just to make clear, it sounds like they will paying less per sale under the new scheme compared to RF not more
"An online-printer for posters wants to offer one million images in his online shop, but he cannot afford to purchase a Royalty Free license for every image for 49,90 in advance. Purchasing a XXL license for a poster that is sold for 9,90 does not make economical sense. Consequently, the images will only be licensed in the case somebody actually purchases and pays the poster. Hence, the photographer is paid per print. This cooperation is just one out of many potential new ways to distribute images. And it is fair for everybody involved."

lagereek

« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2012, 11:04 »
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The way I read the RM description is that it is actually like the API stuff Fotolia does where the customer doesn't buy an extended license for print on demand but will have to pay only in the event of selling an item, and pay per item.
With other micros it was a matter of them buying a standard license with each sale on behalf of the person who buys the poster etc., with PM it sounds like they will be paying a percentage of the final item cost.

It doesn't actually sound anything like traditional RM, I think they are just dressing it up to sound a bit nicer.

Thanks!  yeah I think youre right here, its not trad RM, it sounds nice though, anything new is worthwhile, isnt it.

best.

« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2012, 11:37 »
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PantherMedia has to deduct a general income tax at 15% for all international photographers outside of Germany (15a German Income Tax Act). Based upon the Double Tax Treaty between Germany and your respective country, you do not have to pay additional income tax in your country. ...
I don't know what's going on. I'm with a few German agencies and they don't pull that on me.

Sent an email to support to see what's happening. If it's true, I'm out. Commissions are down in the toilet for me there not to mention the slow sales.

« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2012, 18:06 »
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Ummm... Is it okay to license images as RF and RM at Panther?  At Alamy it's one or the other... never both. 

Microbius

« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2012, 01:10 »
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I don't see a problem with licensing both RM and RF in the way PM describes RM. Doesn't sound like they will be offering any exclusivity or anything, it sounds like licensing that falls under RF with sites like FL and so on to me.

« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2012, 02:43 »
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Hi all,

thanks for your discussion here about RM. Let me explain the background to our news.

As you probably all know, we are already working with our so called "special licences" or "special projects" since about 6 years. We have been the first to introduce these kind of licences and cooperations.  These special licences are individual licences especially introduced for one partner for one special purpose. That is basically nothing else than "rights managed" licences for individual projects. One very successful example:
We are delivering your images via API into poster printer sites. Once a customer purchases one poster, the poster printer pays us a special licence fee PER ONE print. If the customer orders 10 prints of the same image, he pays 10 times the fee. Hence, the licence is restricted to a one-time use only, therefore at a reduced rate. Instead of paying 50 Euro for a HiRes, he pays 6 Euro PER print.

Basically, we have just renamed "Special licences" to "rights managed" and have summed up all special licences into one check box instead of one check box per partner. This gives us the possibility to negotiate additional cooperations fast and with less administration. Remember, we have the same goal: Sell as many images as possible at the highest possible and fair price in the market.

Regarding exclusivity: We do not sell images exclusive in RM, so you can upload to other agencies as well. If a customer inquires for exclusivity, we will contact you prior to a sale and negotiate the price for you.

Regarding RF and RM at the same time: Of course it is possible, and it even makes sense. In any event that we have to reduce or maximize the licence rights as to RF licences, we can do so in RM. If a customer does not want to spend 50 EUR for a single poster print for a selling price of 14,90 EUR, we can charge at a lower rate of 6 EUR per print. But in many cases, the image sells more often, so you actually get a higher rate. Other example: if the customer wants to use the image within e.g. a logo or greeting cards, we can charge a higher price in RM since this is not possible in RF.

Additional info to rights managed can be found here:
http://contributor.panthermedia.net/cms/overview-rights-managed-licenses?lang=en   

Regarding the taxes: I will answer your questions in the respective thread.

Best regards,

Robert     

Wim

« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2012, 04:41 »
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Thanks for participating and clearing that up in the forum Robert, much appreciated.

Microbius

« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2012, 04:53 »
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Thanks for the clarification, that's what I thought

« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2012, 21:55 »
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I am selling some rights managed images in other site, do u guys think there is a violation of RM license if i sell in pathermedia too?


« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2012, 03:10 »
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Hi Robert,

what I understand is panthermedia let's the buyer have an option to purchase RF image based on usage with different price and name this special license as 'RM'. I have no problem with RF image that i have submitted to Panthermedia that opt in this option.

But it is different with traditional RM license right?

if i list my image in Panthermedia, my image will still consider as RF, that's mean buyer will still able to buy it as RF but not RM only license. Is there a way to choose on RM license?


@mtkang,

unless you have not signed an exclusive ditributor agreement, there is no conflict. If you sell the same images as RF anywhere else, then there is definitely no conflict.

Best regards,

Robert


« Reply #16 on: April 20, 2012, 06:35 »
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Why call this special license Rights Managed when RM means something different at most sites?


« Reply #18 on: April 20, 2012, 07:34 »
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Thanks for the explanations - I think I understand it now.  The new PM license is RM because it is for a specific use instead of RF allowing for any usage.  However, this is not RM in the same sense as at e.g., Alamy, where it means that you know how the image has been used (although I suppose it could apply in the case of PM).  To be safe, I think I will keep my RM images at Alamy and elsewhere separate, but will certainly opt in to RM on PM - sounds like they are responding to a need and if it leads to more sales for higher prices we will all be happy.


 

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