Author Topic: Advice to make it stock oriented (Read 13187 times)

lthn · « **Reply #25 on:** September 14, 2011, 16:21 »

Quote from: FRooGZ on September 14, 2011, 15:04

Quote from: lthn on September 14, 2011, 14:55
Is this a prank? Maybe you should donwload some of jaffbanke's ir rinder's ebooks... I heard they are fabulous : D

The Joker - and I thought my jokes were bad

Don't need to be mean, man! If anyone are not willing to share some thoughts, simply don't do it.

Okay, sry, but here's may take on this: you just have to go on any site that can list pictures ordered by popularity, downloads, etc... Search for keywords of things that are available for you to shoot ('dog woman house' in this case f.e.), check out the best sellers, thats what you need to emulate. Asking around in forums is pretty much useless compared to that for several reasons, and a picture is worth a thousand words anyway...

luissantos84 · « **Reply #26 on:** September 14, 2011, 16:28 »

Quote from: lthn on September 14, 2011, 16:21

Quote from: FRooGZ on September 14, 2011, 15:04
Quote from: lthn on September 14, 2011, 14:55
Is this a prank? Maybe you should donwload some of jaffbanke's ir rinder's ebooks... I heard they are fabulous : D

The Joker - and I thought my jokes were bad

Don't need to be mean, man! If anyone are not willing to share some thoughts, simply don't do it.

Okay, sry, but here's may take on this: you just have to go on any site that can list pictures ordered by popularity, downloads, etc... Search for keywords of things that are available for you to shoot ('dog woman house' in this case f.e.), check out the best sellers, thats what you need to emulate. Asking around in forums is pretty much useless compared to that for several reasons, and a picture is worth a thousand words anyway...

let´s make it serious ok? if you are going to search every single picture you plan to do, you better get another job, there isn´t a picture that the market actually needs it, there are more than enough and done in perfection! so you better not shoot or just shoot family stuff!

BUT as you know and you haven´t said here is that stock agencies still approve apples, fishes, architecture, people and all other stuff even flowers! (I love the way everybody keep on saying that stock is this and that and they know thats not right! but yeh everybody have a strategy)

p.s: I am not saying you will get rich doing stock, most certainly you won´t

lthn · « **Reply #27 on:** September 14, 2011, 16:43 »

Quote from: luissantos84 on September 14, 2011, 16:28

Quote from: lthn on September 14, 2011, 16:21
Quote from: FRooGZ on September 14, 2011, 15:04
Quote from: lthn on September 14, 2011, 14:55
Is this a prank? Maybe you should donwload some of jaffbanke's ir rinder's ebooks... I heard they are fabulous : D

The Joker - and I thought my jokes were bad

Don't need to be mean, man! If anyone are not willing to share some thoughts, simply don't do it.

Okay, sry, but here's may take on this: you just have to go on any site that can list pictures ordered by popularity, downloads, etc... Search for keywords of things that are available for you to shoot ('dog woman house' in this case f.e.), check out the best sellers, thats what you need to emulate. Asking around in forums is pretty much useless compared to that for several reasons, and a picture is worth a thousand words anyway...

let´s make it serious ok? if you are going to search every single picture you plan to do, you better get another job, there isn´t a picture that the market actually needs it, there are more than enough and done in perfection! so you better not shoot or just shoot family stuff!

BUT as you know and you haven´t said here is that stock agencies still approve apples, fishes, architecture, people and all other stuff even flowers! (I love the way everybody keep on saying that stock is this and that and they know thats not right! but yeh everybody have a strategy)

p.s: I am not saying you will get rich doing stock, most certainly you won´t

You don't need to search everything unless you are naive. You look around and 'get the picture' of what is necessary in terms lighting, composition etc. It's not rocket science, is it? I also don't understand why should anyone diss doing some visual research on a subject matter, it's lot more helpful than listening to everybody's philosophy about it, that just gets most ppl confused imho. It's useless.

luissantos84 · « **Reply #28 on:** September 14, 2011, 16:51 »

Quote from: lthn on September 14, 2011, 16:43

Quote from: luissantos84 on September 14, 2011, 16:28
Quote from: lthn on September 14, 2011, 16:21
Quote from: FRooGZ on September 14, 2011, 15:04
Quote from: lthn on September 14, 2011, 14:55
Is this a prank? Maybe you should donwload some of jaffbanke's ir rinder's ebooks... I heard they are fabulous : D

The Joker - and I thought my jokes were bad

Don't need to be mean, man! If anyone are not willing to share some thoughts, simply don't do it.

Okay, sry, but here's may take on this: you just have to go on any site that can list pictures ordered by popularity, downloads, etc... Search for keywords of things that are available for you to shoot ('dog woman house' in this case f.e.), check out the best sellers, thats what you need to emulate. Asking around in forums is pretty much useless compared to that for several reasons, and a picture is worth a thousand words anyway...

let´s make it serious ok? if you are going to search every single picture you plan to do, you better get another job, there isn´t a picture that the market actually needs it, there are more than enough and done in perfection! so you better not shoot or just shoot family stuff!

BUT as you know and you haven´t said here is that stock agencies still approve apples, fishes, architecture, people and all other stuff even flowers! (I love the way everybody keep on saying that stock is this and that and they know thats not right! but yeh everybody have a strategy)

p.s: I am not saying you will get rich doing stock, most certainly you won´t

You don't need to search everything unless you are naive. You look around and 'get the picture' of what is necessary in terms lighting, composition etc. It's not rocket science, is it? I also don't understand why should anyone diss doing some visual research on a subject matter, it's lot more helpful than listening to everybody's philosophy about it, that just gets most ppl confused imho. It's useless.

Agreed! I believe I have misunderstood your comment

madelaide · « **Reply #29 on:** September 14, 2011, 17:32 »

Quote from: FRooGZ on September 14, 2011, 14:57

you see, i am a brazilian who lives in uruguay, so my brain thinks in portuguese but talk all the time spanish and a lot of times my english is prejudiced because that!

Oh, boy... I've trying to build a good image of Brazil here and now you have two threads with a lot of flamed responses going on...

FRooGZ · « **Reply #30 on:** September 14, 2011, 19:08 »

Quote from: lthn on September 14, 2011, 16:43

Quote from: luissantos84 on September 14, 2011, 16:28
Quote from: lthn on September 14, 2011, 16:21
Quote from: FRooGZ on September 14, 2011, 15:04
Quote from: lthn on September 14, 2011, 14:55
Is this a prank? Maybe you should donwload some of jaffbanke's ir rinder's ebooks... I heard they are fabulous : D

The Joker - and I thought my jokes were bad

Don't need to be mean, man! If anyone are not willing to share some thoughts, simply don't do it.

Okay, sry, but here's may take on this: you just have to go on any site that can list pictures ordered by popularity, downloads, etc... Search for keywords of things that are available for you to shoot ('dog woman house' in this case f.e.), check out the best sellers, thats what you need to emulate. Asking around in forums is pretty much useless compared to that for several reasons, and a picture is worth a thousand words anyway...

let´s make it serious ok? if you are going to search every single picture you plan to do, you better get another job, there isn´t a picture that the market actually needs it, there are more than enough and done in perfection! so you better not shoot or just shoot family stuff!

BUT as you know and you haven´t said here is that stock agencies still approve apples, fishes, architecture, people and all other stuff even flowers! (I love the way everybody keep on saying that stock is this and that and they know thats not right! but yeh everybody have a strategy)

p.s: I am not saying you will get rich doing stock, most certainly you won´t

You don't need to search everything unless you are naive. You look around and 'get the picture' of what is necessary in terms lighting, composition etc. It's not rocket science, is it? I also don't understand why should anyone diss doing some visual research on a subject matter, it's lot more helpful than listening to everybody's philosophy about it, that just gets most ppl confused imho. It's useless.

lthn,

I understand and do what you are saying. I do my "homework research" and not only at stock images sites. I search at flicker, deviant art, and the list goes on and on, always looking for a new approach, a different view [edited: i also read books about photography, about light, colors, art... don't know how old are you, but that is an habit that is slowly dying at younger generations, but i would surely recommend, do not mean to offend, don't get me wrong, just underlining that i do my study by my self]. What i certainly do not do, and i guess it has to do with my art formation, is plain and simple copy! Inspiration is one thing, copycat is another completely different and is what i see and don't like most about stock images. If doing that doesn't sell, to bad! The good think is that i do not need this for a living, and i am doing for fun! So, i will not simply follow what simon said... If i will succeed at stock? don't know, but surely gonna try do my thing, original, and surely not copy.

When i posted this thread, i was looking for human contact, interchange of ideas, understand what i mean? The search robot is great, but i like human interactivity. I am not trying to "steal" knowledge, if that was what molested you. Don't get really what was so wrong at my proposition.

@madelaide,

LOL!! Sorry if i ruin your work. But that's the way i am. "sem papas na língua" or in english: outspoken. But i am a nice guy.

digitalexpressionimages · « **Reply #31 on:** September 15, 2011, 07:11 »

Trying to figure out stock is not going to work. I can't even describe the absolute ridiculous things I've needed to buy as images for concepts I've come up with. In other words, anything goes.

However, I have some nice images related to banking and finance that used to sell pretty well and are not dated. Certainly in the present economic conditions they are very relevant but they no longer sell. They don't sell because they're 5 years old. I believe that the search engine algorithm favours newer, fresher images which is why pics of flowers and fish still get accepted. Buyers are always looking for fresh images of the same subject.

I also have 5 images on dreamstime that are the only images on the site of that subject. If you do a search for that, my 5 are the only ones that come up. Out of 12 million photos. You might think wow I've got the market cornered. Maybe so, but if something hasn't been covered yet there's a reason. It's just not a subject people look for. In a year I've had 2 sales on those 5 images. If you look to cover subjects that haven't been covered to death you will end up with a small portfolio that nets you enough money to buy coffee 2 or 3 times a year.

Shoot what you want, try to so it in a fresh and interesting way and then cross your fingers.

FRooGZ · « **Reply #32 on:** September 15, 2011, 07:32 »

Quote from: digitalexpressionimages on September 15, 2011, 07:11

Trying to figure out stock is not going to work. I can't even describe the absolute ridiculous things I've needed to buy as images for concepts I've come up with. In other words, anything goes.

However, I have some nice images related to banking and finance that used to sell pretty well and are not dated. Certainly in the present economic conditions they are very relevant but they no longer sell. They don't sell because they're 5 years old. I believe that the search engine algorithm favours newer, fresher images which is why pics of flowers and fish still get accepted. Buyers are always looking for fresh images of the same subject.

I also have 5 images on dreamstime that are the only images on the site of that subject. If you do a search for that, my 5 are the only ones that come up. Out of 12 million photos. You might think wow I've got the market cornered. Maybe so, but if something hasn't been covered yet there's a reason. It's just not a subject people look for. In a year I've had 2 sales on those 5 images. If you look to cover subjects that haven't been covered to death you will end up with a small portfolio that nets you enough money to buy coffee 2 or 3 times a year.

Shoot what you want, try to so it in a fresh and interesting way and then cross your fingers.

That is some nice thoughts!

I am extreamely new to stock image market, just start uploading for stock as recent as a month and a half, so far i have just 28 images approved at DT, that is the only agency that i am at. I am doing it for fun and hobby, don't want to be on all agencies there are out ther. I like images and i like to know that some of my images are in use around the world. So far i have 9 sales and when i look portifolios that are way much bigger than my with as low as 5 sales, i can tell that i can be useful at this market. Something about my way to look at things fits at it.

I do know that i have to learn and adapt my shooting for stock. I am always willing to aquire new knowledge and pretty open to new ideas.

I really like to interact and beeing able to share experience with people, in my opinion there is not a better way to gather know-how. And really appreciatte to hear thruful and nice thoughts like you have given.

Thank you digitalexpressionimages.