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velocicarpo

« Reply #25 on: August 09, 2011, 09:02 »
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As already said: 25% = too less. Period. Why should I support a comany that is not willing to give fair royalties and undermine fairer comanies by that? I don`t care if Yuri is there....he makes his decisions, I make mine.

We have costs too: lights, studios, model payments, cameras, lenses, software, computers....and finally we have to eat ;-)


« Reply #26 on: August 09, 2011, 09:44 »
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the EL price seem a little low.. very low actually.. perhaps they will raise it, they seem very nice to talk by email..

the true is that sales do happen there, I will use leaf again hope it wont be upset, last night had 119 sales today on 124  ;)

« Reply #27 on: August 09, 2011, 09:59 »
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the EL price seem a little low.. very low actually.. perhaps they will raise it, they seem very nice to talk by email..

the true is that sales do happen there, I will use leaf again hope it wont be upset, last night had 119 sales today on 124  ;)


...but look at weekly top sellers - best image has 7 sales a week. Really not much. And it may change to 2 sales a week when more contributors come. But I know it's too soon to judge.
http://photodune.net/page/top_sellers/2011/08/07

« Reply #28 on: August 09, 2011, 11:29 »
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NOTE THIS: The extended license price changes with the size. So, the extended license is only $5 for small files, and goes up to $35.

$5!

« Reply #29 on: August 09, 2011, 12:09 »
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the EL price seem a little low.. very low actually.. perhaps they will raise it, they seem very nice to talk by email..

the true is that sales do happen there, I will use leaf again hope it wont be upset, last night had 119 sales today on 124  ;)


...but look at weekly top sellers - best image has 7 sales a week. Really not much. And it may change to 2 sales a week when more contributors come. But I know it's too soon to judge.
http://photodune.net/page/top_sellers/2011/08/07


from my small search they do look above depostiphotos, which is very good to agency that has a small life on stock images.. SF is online for 1 year and they look a lot down from depositphotos.. the 25% aint that nice and so far the uploading is kind of hard, really different upload system, havent found how to do it fast.. FTP look nice but after process there is no place to add MR, really confusing.. hope they make it easier

p.s: regarding the model releases we need to add a link to them on the comments for reviewer, I have place the name of the releases, so far so good
« Last Edit: August 09, 2011, 14:30 by luissantos84 »

microstockphoto.co.uk

« Reply #30 on: August 09, 2011, 12:27 »
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How low a commission will people accept?  I'm sure the sites that currently pay us more will be interested.  This is the perfect excuse for them to make more cuts.  I know a lot of you think we will all end up on low commissions everywhere but I still don't see the logic in pushing the sites in to doing it.

Fully agree. I will reconsider them once they increase their non-exclusive commission to 50%.

Agree that the commission is low, especially for a new site. Still undecided whether submitting or not. Meanwhile, I sent the sample pictures and passed the test: now THEY are in review mode, not me. Feels good.

« Reply #31 on: August 09, 2011, 15:16 »
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I'm afraid that the decision if to upload or not starts for many contributors with question "Is Yuri there?". And if he is, then it has to be good decision.
I wouldn't be surprised if they paid Yuri to upload or offered him a higher commission.  I'm not sure if Yuri was with Albumo when I uploaded my portfolio but several big names were and that made me think they were OK.  Then I realised that some of the big contributors just dump their portfolio everywhere.  I suppose they can still make payouts when it would take the rest of us years.  Now I'm more wary, Albumo wasn't a disaster for me but I wouldn't want to go through that again.

« Reply #32 on: August 09, 2011, 15:44 »
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Kind of sad to see another low paying site pop up.  :(

collis

  • Hello! I work at Envato!
« Reply #33 on: August 09, 2011, 20:14 »
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Thanks for the post Leaf, we're *very* excited to be live! It's still a public beta so there is still more ironing out to do, but we're open to the public which is pretty exciting.

I know the non-exclusive rate is a sore point as lots of people have mentioned. This doesn't exactly excuse it, but by way of explanation our rates are ported over from our general marketplace family. On the majority of our other sites, such as ThemeForest and GraphicRiver, we have exclusivity rates approaching 99% in many cases. And historically our focus has been *heavily* towards creating unique libraries of content.

With PhotoDune, we're obviously entering a very different market with a very diversified industry that heavily favours non-exclusivity. And as a few have mentioned the rate is more like the rate a big established player would offer. And of course we don't have the sales volume to justify something like that.

For now, I'd like us to get to know the market a bit better with our offering out in public for only a day so far. And specifically I'm curious to see how much content we get from our existing author base as well, which as mentioned is more towards the exclusive end - where I think our rates are pretty good.

Someone in the thread asked what they were missing as to why people would bother upload. I guess my answer would really be that it's about the large buyer market that already uses the Envato Marketplaces. We're closing in on 1 million members, a large portion of whom are active (i.e. spend money :-) ) and to a great extent we've mostly launched this marketplace in response to their needs. If I could count the number of times we've had people ask us why we don't have a photo marketplace in the set, I'd .. be really good at counting!

So far during the beta period our top seller (no surprises who) has netted a little over  800 sales, so the early results are looking good I think. Over the coming months we'll be marketing the site more and more, and I'd anticipate the sales to continue to grow.

Now from a non-exclusive photographer's perspective though, you'd have to be asking yourself are the buyers the same people who were buying on some other site and are now buying here. I read recently somewhere that the stock photo market has plateaued and it's the same buyers/revenue being pushed further and further. To be honest I don't think I believe that as there is such a vast pool of people coming online every year, and there is the increasing democratization of content creation that has people like my Mum now buying photos!

Add to this, our other marketplaces are all growing very quickly as more and more people make their own websites, newsletters, flyers and creative materials. So I guess my feeling is that we are introducing new buyers, as well as (hopefully) siphoning off some buyers from our competitors :-)

Finally, someone mentioned stock photos being a race to the bottom. I know a few people have mentioned that here and in other industry sites. I thought this was curious as for me, I started buying on iStockPhoto back in 2005 I think it was, when 1 credit used to equal 25c! Over the years I've spent about $20,000 on that particular site, but I've definitely noticed that my money goes less far than it used to. If anything I thought stock photos were going the other way and getting more and more expensive. But maybe I'm just a cheap buyer ;-)

Our experience running the Envato Marketplaces is that as sales build we also tend to slowly increment prices up depending on the elasticity of buyer demand - i.e. how sensitive they are to price. In the end, I think it should be a tight relationship between marketplaces and authors, because one's success depends heavily on the other.

Anyways, enough of a long message, I'll add myself to the forum notifications so I can chime in again!

« Reply #34 on: August 09, 2011, 20:47 »
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Over the years I've spent about $20,000 on that particular site, but I've definitely noticed that my money goes less far than it used to.
I think it's the fact that most of us only earned 4k off of that 20k that is the point of discontent. Look, every company is free to run their business the way they like, but I'm sick of being given less and less. I hope others are too. Although I'm not a photog, GraphicRiver has the same crumby rates, so I'm giving the thumbs down to the whole family of sites. If anything positive comes out of this, it's that it fuels the fire to make my own endeavors better and more successful.

velocicarpo

« Reply #35 on: August 09, 2011, 21:01 »
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Collis,

Again, it is very nice to see someone kind and open from a agency.

But all your arguments don`t justify the low royalty rate.
As Cthoman said, I am soooo tired of people trying to take advantage of my work. 

It may be that someone wants to sell his template for a cut of 25%....there is not much costs involved in creating a template beyond work and time, but if you look into photography there is much more on the shoulders of the creator....see my above post.


« Reply #37 on: August 10, 2011, 00:35 »
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If you raise commissions and extended license prices, I will be interested.  I think at least 40% for the contributor is fair for a site outside the top 4.  The more content you get, the more buyers will stick with your site and not look elsewhere.  If they are buying images elsewhere at the moment, there's no incentive to upload for 25% commission.  Perhaps not enough people are bothered about low commissions and you wont have to raise them but it still looks bad.  People still use istock with under 20% commission but just look at their relationship with their content providers.  There aren't many independents that have a good word to say about them now.  I think they are risking their business for the sake of short term profits.

I did upload 10, just in case you increase commissions in the future.  I might be interested in uploading exclusive content, if I can get 70% commission.  I see we have to choose to be either exclusive or not, other sites let us upload our non-exclusive portfolios and then submit exclusive images as well.  I think you will find that will work much better, I doubt many people would choose exclusive only and you will then lose out on their non-exclusive portfolios.  That's if we aren't allowed to open two accounts?

« Reply #38 on: August 10, 2011, 03:06 »
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People still use istock with under 20% commission but just look at their relationship with their content providers.  There aren't many independents that have a good word to say about them now.  I think they are risking their business for the sake of short term profits.

I did upload 10, just in case you increase commissions in the future.  

Some very good points there!

istockphoto is risking their business big time.. As an illustrator who is very much involved in graphic design business, I personally know many graphic designers and microstock buyers..

why is this important? You can guess :)

I am converting all the people that I know and telling them not to use istockphoto.. I am sure there are thousands of us doing the same..


And about GraphicRiver:

I have 125 vectors on GR.. that's only about 1/7 of my vector portfolio.. The main reasons I can't find the will to upload are:
1- upload process is so messy..
2- commission is quite low..
3- I don't want to deal with their reviewers who are the ultimate vector gurus in the universe..

In the past 3 weeks I created and uploaded about 40 vectors to all the worthy agents you can see on the right side of this page, while not uploading a single vector on graphicriver.. that should give you an idea!:)

I actually like the site but the above issues have been with them since I started and it looks like nothing is going to change soon..

I did join at my own will and did accept %25 commission.. That's true.. But their uploading experience is so ridiculous that it just doesn't justify the effort.. Just to let you know, it takes longer to upload a vector to GR than the notorious istockphoto.. YES, IT IS THAT BAD :)

« Reply #39 on: August 10, 2011, 04:59 »
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« Last Edit: August 10, 2011, 05:03 by borg »

« Reply #40 on: August 10, 2011, 05:47 »
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I really don't like that previews are so big (especially portrait format) - it wouldn't be a problem but on some images the watermark is almost or totally invisible.

For example:
http://photodune.net/item/stacked-straw-hay-bails/269230?WT.ac=category_thumb

Carl

  • Carl Stewart, CS Productions
« Reply #41 on: August 10, 2011, 06:27 »
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Too much work for too little.  I'm out.

« Reply #42 on: August 10, 2011, 07:03 »
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After thinking I think I'll pass on this one.

pros:
+existing Envato customers

cons:
-low royalty rate
-low prices on high resolution images and extended licences
-low sales volume

If at least one of the cons change, I'll reconsider. I'm already submitting to too many low earners...

« Reply #43 on: August 10, 2011, 08:19 »
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I can't upload MRs!
 I put all required jpg MRs for one image in one zip file... After uploading I marked it on drop down menu as Model releases and submit..
But after submitting I get error message: "Release Forms must be a zip containing a '.pdf', '.jpg' or '.png', got a zip containing ''  ???
Aslo do I have to upload MRs for every new image with same models...?
« Last Edit: August 10, 2011, 08:26 by borg »

velocicarpo

« Reply #44 on: August 10, 2011, 08:40 »
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Great! As well as Sharpshot, at 40% I would be very interested!

If you raise commissions and extended license prices, I will be interested.  I think at least 40% for the contributor is fair for a site outside the top 4...

« Reply #45 on: August 10, 2011, 09:46 »
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Great! As well as Sharpshot, at 40% I would be very interested!

Heck, I would be interested even at 35%

Xalanx

« Reply #46 on: August 10, 2011, 10:06 »
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Yes, they will get my 8000 images.
When they will significantly raise the percentage for non-exclusives.

« Reply #47 on: August 10, 2011, 10:16 »
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I can't upload MRs!
 I put all required jpg MRs for one image in one zip file... After uploading I marked it on drop down menu as Model releases and submit..
But after submitting I get error message: "Release Forms must be a zip containing a '.pdf', '.jpg' or '.png', got a zip containing ''  ???
Aslo do I have to upload MRs for every new image with same models...?

still finding that out too.. I have been told that we should write on note to reviewer the name of the release, have done that, and some got in, but some need improvement (MR missing)

overall they are quite quick and kind on reply

« Reply #48 on: August 10, 2011, 10:18 »
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It seems that many contributors have fogotten that money isnt going to be what makes you all happy.

« Reply #49 on: August 10, 2011, 10:32 »
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Well I shall take it to the team for more discussion, and as I mentioned in the previous post, I'd like to see what the response is from our core exclusive authors as well as that is our major focus with the marketplaces. So far my impression is that the bulk of authors in this market are non-exclusive though.

Thanks for taking the time.


 

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