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Xalanx

« Reply #75 on: August 11, 2011, 09:16 »
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And sorry I forgot to cover Extended Licenses in my last post, as Mat mentioned we do have a low multiple at the moment of x5 on whatever price that particular sized image has. This translates to $5-45 depending on what size you are buying.

This doesn't make any sense.  An extended license is purchased to allow specific usage.  It has nothing to do with the size.  Why would someone printing 10 posters for sale, who needs an XXL pay much more than someone who needs extended printing rights of an M?

Indeed.
Collis, the much higher price for EL is set so because the client requires specific usage for that image, for example - unlimited print. It has absolutely nothing to do with the image size.
As you may have noticed already, the difference in price between xsmall and xxxLarge is much smaller than between xxxLarge and EL, on normal agencies.... that big difference is for the usage, not the size. Of course, the buyer receives full resolution image. Your little trick of splitting the ELs on sizes won't do.


« Reply #76 on: August 11, 2011, 09:40 »
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still stratching my head on this one but ok :)

just had a sale on my first day there, 1.25$

I hope you get happy with the unspeakable success of earning 1.25$ while helping to drive the market in a destructive direction. Not only business wise it does not make sense, my pride has a higher price than that too.

People are afraid to lose the "next big thing", but finally they will destroy their "big things" they already have when they continue to act brainlessly like this.

We can make a difference. Thinkstock is far away to be a serious competition for sites like shutterstock thanks to the decision to opt out that many of us have made. Lets not give power to a company which already starts with unfair conditions.

are you talking about ThinkStock? the 25% royalties are far from great but at least it isnt 28 cents, I believe you should MESS you top contributors head, not a newbie on stock, beside that it is my own business where I sell my stuff

Sure. Yes, the scheme of thinkstock is differenet. Nevertheless the direction where it drives us is the same.

I believe you should MESS you top contributors head, not a newbie on stock,

Guess I haven`t understood what you mean exactly by this, ehhhhh :o

I will explain you, open the agencies and see how many top 100 contributors are there, I wont name them here but they are there, if there are anyone suplying them are they, not me for sure..

velocicarpo

« Reply #77 on: August 11, 2011, 09:52 »
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still stratching my head on this one but ok :)

just had a sale on my first day there, 1.25$

I hope you get happy with the unspeakable success of earning 1.25$ while helping to drive the market in a destructive direction. Not only business wise it does not make sense, my pride has a higher price than that too.

People are afraid to lose the "next big thing", but finally they will destroy their "big things" they already have when they continue to act brainlessly like this.

We can make a difference. Thinkstock is far away to be a serious competition for sites like shutterstock thanks to the decision to opt out that many of us have made. Lets not give power to a company which already starts with unfair conditions.

are you talking about ThinkStock? the 25% royalties are far from great but at least it isnt 28 cents, I believe you should MESS you top contributors head, not a newbie on stock, beside that it is my own business where I sell my stuff

Sure. Yes, the scheme of thinkstock is differenet. Nevertheless the direction where it drives us is the same.

I believe you should MESS you top contributors head, not a newbie on stock,

Guess I haven`t understood what you mean exactly by this, ehhhhh :o

I will explain you, open the agencies and see how many top 100 contributors are there, I wont name them here but they are there, if there are anyone suplying them are they, not me for sure..

Who is the bigger fool? The fool, or the one who follows the fools?

« Reply #78 on: August 11, 2011, 09:58 »
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I am really not going to continue this ridiculous discussion! Ok I am the only one here talking about them so you guys can pick on me, guess that I will leave this topic for you and other that wanna offend other, nice meeting you

« Reply #79 on: August 11, 2011, 10:27 »
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Do somebody know where can i find if some of my images is rejected

CD123

« Reply #80 on: August 11, 2011, 18:05 »
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Do somebody know where can i find if some of my images is rejected

Recycle Bin?  :D

« Reply #81 on: August 11, 2011, 19:31 »
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Thanks for the heads up Leaf.
20 MP XXL for 9 USD x 25% = not very attractive
I'll pass for now.

SS OD pays 2,70 USD for a much smaller size.
Photodune Large 5 $ x 25% = 1,25 $. IS Large - around 2- 2,50 USD.
Extended Licence: 45 USD x 25% is a joke. :P

Race to the bottom, I don't think it is in our interest that this agency succeeds.

+1 We need less agencys not more, race to the bottom hurts us all. People with thousand images will like these new places for exposure it's a different way then most of us.

« Reply #82 on: August 12, 2011, 03:05 »
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It's interesting that so many top contributors will accept 25% commissions, low prices and very low EL prices from a low selling site.  I can understand why others then join them.  It just fills me with fear for the future of microstock.  Perhaps I should just give up and upload to every site, ignoring what they pay but I find that very hard to do.  I tried uploading again to istock but I have this voice screaming in my head, "they only pay you 17%, you muppet".

I'm going to have to work harder at other ways to make money, I just don't enjoy working for such low commissions when it's obvious that the sites are just doing this out of greed.  Some of them used to pay 50% when hosting and advertising cost more and microstock was much smaller.  It looked like they were making a nice profit.  Pond5 still pay 50% and they must have much more expense, hosting all those big video files.  I know that I'm not going to persuade those that want to maximise their earnings in the short term that they are jeopardizing the future of microstock and I can understand the other side of the argument.  It's probably sensible to grab all that you can now but I just can't help thinking what happens next?

« Reply #83 on: August 12, 2011, 04:17 »
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It's interesting that so many top contributors will accept 25% commissions, low prices and very low EL prices from a low selling site.  I can understand why others then join them.  It just fills me with fear for the future of microstock.  Perhaps I should just give up and upload to every site, ignoring what they pay but I find that very hard to do.  I tried uploading again to istock but I have this voice screaming in my head, "they only pay you 17%, you muppet".

I'm going to have to work harder at other ways to make money, I just don't enjoy working for such low commissions when it's obvious that the sites are just doing this out of greed.  Some of them used to pay 50% when hosting and advertising cost more and microstock was much smaller.  It looked like they were making a nice profit.  Pond5 still pay 50% and they must have much more expense, hosting all those big video files.  I know that I'm not going to persuade those that want to maximise their earnings in the short term that they are jeopardizing the future of microstock and I can understand the other side of the argument.  It's probably sensible to grab all that you can now but I just can't help thinking what happens next?

I started microstock with 123rf and Dreamstime. They both offered 50% (DT have since dropped their commissions) and I just assumed they all offered 50%. I was really surprised when I found out that IS was only offering 20% and more too that this didn't seem to be much of an issue to anyone. I was thinking, why does everyone think this is normal, am I the one who's mad? When they dropped commissions to as low as 15%, why did it suddenly hit home for so many that they were being milked, it's not that much different from 20%. Why does it still not hit home to so many now. If you contribute to any site that pays less than 50% return for one of your images being licensed, make no doubt about it, you're a muppet and so am I, it doesn't matter how much you are earning. Yuri Arcurs is a very rich man, but he would be an awful lot richer had the agencies not taken the majority of earnings from his images. I got an EL today on Shutterstock, I get $28, which is nice (not great compared to others). Say if the buyer bought the minimum EL package which is $199 and 2 downloads, one of those downloads went to me, I get $28, the agency gets $71.50, not just from me but from everyone. Having said that I do still contribute, but I'm always looking for alternatives and I'm very critical of this industry, cos I ain't a complete muppet. It really is catch 22 though, the agencies have all the traffic, we get exposure through them, they know we want the exposure, they pay us the least they feel they can get away with.

So I never understand those who constantly praise agencies, are they completely brainwashed. They should do what they have to do to make some money, but they don't have to give so much respect to those who live lavishly off other people's backs. Rant over, expecting a backlash.

« Reply #84 on: August 12, 2011, 04:29 »
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Totally agree with the last two posts !!!!  
One solution is government laws for all microstock sites with obligation to share 50% with the contributors, but i guess it's impossible in usa.
The other solution is to create a real microstockers community, cancel all accounts in the stingy sites (istock, photodune etc.) and promote fair sites.
But people are too selfish to manage such a fabulous change, because community spirit only works with people who rules the world, the others are simply lost, this forum is a community, but people are alone in reality  :-\.   
« Last Edit: August 12, 2011, 04:39 by Smithore »

« Reply #85 on: August 12, 2011, 04:48 »
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increase your % and you'll get a lot more content

« Reply #86 on: August 12, 2011, 11:14 »
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It's interesting that so many top contributors will accept 25% commissions, low prices and very low EL prices from a low selling site.  I can understand why others then join them.  It just fills me with fear for the future of microstock.  Perhaps I should just give up and upload to every site, ignoring what they pay but I find that very hard to do.  I tried uploading again to istock but I have this voice screaming in my head, "they only pay you 17%, you muppet".

I'm going to have to work harder at other ways to make money, I just don't enjoy working for such low commissions when it's obvious that the sites are just doing this out of greed.  Some of them used to pay 50% when hosting and advertising cost more and microstock was much smaller.  It looked like they were making a nice profit.  Pond5 still pay 50% and they must have much more expense, hosting all those big video files.  I know that I'm not going to persuade those that want to maximise their earnings in the short term that they are jeopardizing the future of microstock and I can understand the other side of the argument.  It's probably sensible to grab all that you can now but I just can't help thinking what happens next?

I agree 100% with all that you have said and other in this topic but lets think about it..

IS, went to 15%, what have happened? some left, other joined, sales down.. overall it will continue to be number 1 or 2 for most contributors
FT, another cut on %, what have happened? same story! dont think that contributor will abandon them
DT, cut to 25% on level 0 and subs seem to be on the raise (at least for a big part that shows on a topic I open a while ago).. DT wont dissapear of the market, many people have big RPD there

on the other hand SF and GLO seem to be very cool agencies with very nice 50 and 52%.. but far will they go?

SF is open for one year.. I guess 95% still waiting for first payment.. lack of investment from them as they keep on promising it is going to happen..
GLO seem to be the same thing or perhaps they are a lot more into illustrations..

in the end what do we have left, yep the top 4, 5 agencies including 123RF which is performing nicely for me even above FT, DT and IS sometimes

stock is very hard to deal really, if we look into what will be the future that would be even harder but I am sure things will stay the same for a long time and or we collect as much as possible or we are losing big time once big % will never come and agencies that are willing to give that to us will never make it..

beside this I do agree that photodune must raise the % to like 35% and the EL prices which seem a "little" low

« Reply #87 on: August 12, 2011, 11:49 »
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Yep! Photodune, raise our part on 35-40% (can be based on levels) and you have big chance to be in Top Tier...
I think that isn't big deal if Yuri or someone like him is already there, it has to be massive campaign of every contributor who want to be part of new multimedia market...
Your chance is bigger than any other new agency till now, only because Photo Dune is part of other successful multimedia market...
« Last Edit: August 12, 2011, 18:02 by borg »

velocicarpo

« Reply #88 on: August 12, 2011, 12:02 »
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People are constantly screaming for a union, but in fact, they just want someone bigger then themselves who is saving them from the bad agencies. But this is NOT the Idea of a union.

In a Union, you have to start with YOURSELF to refuse to accept certain conditions from greedy companies. And because MANY act like this it is working and called a Union. Sadly, there are those folks who do everything for 1.25 $. But as Sharshot said, I have this voice in my head "they....". And yes, my workd and pride has a higher price.

We do not have a union (yet). But we have a community and many of us share the same thoughts. If you do no accept the rate of 25% please post below, so maybe we can change something together.

« Reply #89 on: August 12, 2011, 12:17 »
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some people just dont read properly or even want a clear "fight" but only bully other, really dont have time for those who walk in here to talk randomly

« Reply #90 on: August 12, 2011, 12:48 »
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It's interesting that so many top contributors will accept 25% commissions, low prices and very low EL prices from a low selling site.  I can understand why others then join them.  It just fills me with fear for the future of microstock.  

We shouldn't always assume that the top contributors get the same c****y conditions as the rest.
Theoretically a new site could offer excellent terms to some top contributors, like upload bonus, 50% or more commission and see what would happen:
the muppets see Yuri's port on such a theoretical site and would instantly queue to upload their stuff there, even if the site paid them 10 cents for an EL. The muppets cannot think independently, they have to follow somebody but don't understand that what applies to Yuri, doesn't always have to apply to them or to other people - different league, different rules. Few weeks later other sites cut commissions and prices in order to stay competitive with the low-ball agency and the muppets can only change their avatars to "contributor against proposed commission changes" :P. The urge to earn a few bucks more makes them blind and they fail to see the relationship between the cause and the effect.
« Last Edit: August 12, 2011, 12:51 by Snufkin »

« Reply #91 on: August 12, 2011, 12:57 »
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It's interesting that so many top contributors will accept 25% commissions, low prices and very low EL prices from a low selling site.  I can understand why others then join them.  It just fills me with fear for the future of microstock.  

We shouldn't always assume that the top contributors get the same c****y conditions as the rest.
Theoretically a new site could offer excellent terms to some top contributors, like upload bonus, 50% or more commission and see what would happen:
the muppets see Yuri's port on such a theoretical site and would instantly queue to upload their stuff there, even if the site paid them 10 cents for an EL. The muppets cannot think independently, they have to follow somebody but don't understand that what applies to Yuri, doesn't always have to apply to them or to other people - different league, different rules. Few weeks later other sites cut commissions and prices in order to stay competitive with the low-ball agency and the muppets can only change their avatars to "contributor against proposed commission changes" :P. The urge to earn a few bucks more makes them blind and they fail to see the relationship between the cause and the effect.

those muppets you are talking are the ones killing microstock? were they the ones that asked for 15% royalties at IS? gime me a break my friend and talk seriously and perhaps work a little instead of talking without thinking

p.s: this will be my last post on this topic, not going to be the scapegoat
« Last Edit: August 12, 2011, 13:02 by luissantos84 »

« Reply #92 on: August 12, 2011, 13:16 »
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People are constantly screaming for a union, but in fact, they just want someone bigger then themselves who is saving them from the bad agencies.

Instead of a union, some of these people should attend a math course first.

We do not have a union (yet). But we have a community and many of us share the same thoughts. If you do no accept the rate of 25% please post below, so maybe we can change something together.

I don't see the percentage as the main problem with Photodune. If their prices were at IS level, 25% wouldn't be very bad, just not really attractive. The main problems are their ridiculous, insulting prices because they might force other agencies to adjust theirs.

Basically, the more market share Photodune gets, the more the value of the stock market will shrink. The more success this agency has, the less royalties will be paid to photographers in the whole market.
They don't create any new markets, there are enough buyers who are happy with current prices, Photodune's c####y prices make the value of the stock market shrink.
« Last Edit: August 12, 2011, 13:19 by Snufkin »

velocicarpo

« Reply #93 on: August 12, 2011, 13:32 »
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BTW: We shouldn`t care so much about the "top" contributors. How many images images does Yuri have? 30000? 40000? To run a Microstock site successfully you need Millions and the support of the Many instead jsut a couple of big names.

« Reply #94 on: August 12, 2011, 13:33 »
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those muppets you are talking are the ones killing microstock? were they the ones that asked for 15% royalties at IS? gime me a break my friend and talk seriously and perhaps work a little instead of talking without thinking
p.s: this will be my last post on this topic, not going to be the scapegoat

I wasn't referring specifically to the recent cuts at IS, but to the general downward trend. The example with the avatars was only to illustrate the helplessness of contributors when the rates are cut. It was not my intention to offend you or attack you in any way, Luis. My language might have been harsh, but the intention was to make people think. Photodune's launch is very bad news for us all.
« Last Edit: August 12, 2011, 13:39 by Snufkin »

« Reply #95 on: August 12, 2011, 14:32 »
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BTW: We shouldn`t care so much about the "top" contributors. How many images images does Yuri have? 30000? 40000? To run a Microstock site successfully you need Millions and the support of the Many instead jsut a couple of big names.

It depends on what you define as successful. You could run a site that only has one or two artists that is much more profitable for the artist than all of the other agencies. Obviously, bigger agencies are going to have more volume, but they'll spend a lot more too. I guess it's not really too much different than contributors. You can hire a staff and create a stock factory or you can do it yourself. You might make less doing it solo, but you'll spend less too. Finding a sweet spot is what it is all about.

Back on topic, it will be interesting to see if they come back with a better deal at the Envato sites. They seemed willing to listen about higher royalties and prices to attract more contributors. It really would not take too much to attract me away from the established players. Just someone stepping up to be a real partner. That seems to be a tall order for the big 4 though.

« Reply #96 on: August 12, 2011, 14:51 »
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Photo dune should have smaller prices than Istock, but better percentage for contributor part of earnings... So for big impact they have to bring us more money per sale than on top tier agencies, but with a bit less prices for customers...

grp_photo

« Reply #97 on: August 12, 2011, 15:44 »
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Uploading to every crappy site doesn't have a great future no matter how many Yuris do it.

graficallyminded

« Reply #98 on: August 12, 2011, 16:11 »
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Quote from: luissantos84
true, their upload is smooth if you dont have MR pictures

Amen.  Uploading MR's repeatedly, according to each upload batch, is archaic - this is something Photodune needs to seriously reconsider, because it's not microstock industry standard at all.  Normally you upload the MR once, and assign them later on in the backend, prior to submission of successive images.

« Reply #99 on: August 12, 2011, 16:22 »
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Quote from: luissantos84
true, their upload is smooth if you dont have MR pictures

Amen.  Uploading MR's repeatedly, according to each upload batch, is archaic - this is something Photodune needs to seriously reconsider, because it's not microstock industry standard at all.  Normally you upload the MR once, and assign them later on in the backend, prior to submission of successive images.

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