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Title: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: chrisdorney on January 22, 2019, 18:15
Hello everybody!

I have been a freelance photographer for over 8 years and have accumulated over 15GB worth of images which are all mostly stored on external hard-drives.  A few months ago I had an issue with a failing external hard-drive and I now need to look into storing all of my back-catalogue of images onto cloud storage. I therefore need a cloud storage company that would enable me to have unlimited storage.  I will then continue to use the cloud storage to upload all the new images that I take over the coming years.

Can anybody reccommend a good storage company that they use themselves?  How do you all store your back-catalogue of images? 

Thank you in advance for you input and I look forward to reading and responding to your replies!

Thanks,
Chris.
Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: dbvirago on January 22, 2019, 20:14
I used Backblaze for years. Cheapest by far including all connected external drives. Full time, real time backups. But last year, I noticed a lot of files having to be backed up. Support said sometimes it refreshes old files or some crap. After blowing my data cap for 2 months I dug into it and the number of files they had was far less than what I had, so in my mind, they lost a big chunk of my data.

So currently, I am using 3 externals, with one kept off site.

I am looking at other cloud backups, but will need to pay at least twice what Backblaze charges.

So, right now, looking at Crashplan, Carbonite and iDrive. The last isnt unlimited, but at 5Tb, it will hold me for a few years.
Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: chrisdorney on January 22, 2019, 20:28
Thank you very much for your reply dbvirago.  That's very interesting, I will look into the the ones you have mentioned.
Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: mindstorm on January 22, 2019, 22:07
Same as dbvirago, I use Backblaze.  Cost is $10/month per computer.  Unlimited cloud storage.

I currently have 9.6TB (yes, Terrabytes) on my BB backup of my main computer.
Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on January 22, 2019, 22:56
You must mean 15 Terabytes, I assume, not GB?

I use Backblaze, but it's not archival storage unless you plan to keep all your images online all the time.

Backblaze is, as they very clearly state (https://www.backblaze.com/remote-backup-everything.html), a backup service, not an archive of all files including those not currently online. It's very reasonably priced, but that's because it's one computer with attached storage (no NAS drives) only for their basic service. Other options run much more and some have bandwidth charges too.

I use external disks for archival storage that are not online except when I add files to them. I found much higher failure rates when files were online all the time. Every so often (10-15 years) I move data to new disks. I still have some archive on DVDs (in plastic inserts in binders on a shelf, so in a decent environment) that should be transferred to the external drives, but it takes a lot of time to do.


Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: Uncle Pete on January 23, 2019, 10:55
If it's really Gb buy a second drive and a deck or dock. $61

(https://static.bhphoto.com/images/images500x500/startech_satdock2reu3_hdd_duplicator_dock_1_1_eraser_1406754332000_1071777.jpg)

2T drive is $69

You now have the backup drive and a copy of the backup drive.

After a year (or any time you want), put the first drive on the book shelf, or in a bank box, or offsite... buy another one, back up and you are solid. Cost will be about $70 a year.

CDs and DVDs are unreliable! Your can buy the most expensive Gold and make backups, come back five years later and there's data loss. They are slow.

Personally, I back up photos once a year, from the backup. So I have the last two years of photos on the computer, the backup of the computer all years, on an external drive, and the archived backup of the external drive on a hard drive, that's not connected to anything except when in use.

Video has it's own backup drive, same way, on the computer, on the external and on the backup of the external. Some externals will automatically keep a backup of selected drives and folders, you don't need to do anything except once a month make that redundant backup like the first example.

What I have is the originals, a copy and a backup of the copy. Pretty basic, and never in forever have I lost one file, using hard drives. DVDs and CDs and QIC tapes and Zip drives, I've lost data on every one of those.
Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: jacoblund on January 23, 2019, 15:03
I set up a Dropbox Business account, and it's the best thing I've done for a long time.

The amount of money I've spend on harddrives (including a 48TB NAS-server configuration that required way too much maintenance) is ridiculous.

At the moment we have 58 TB stored on Dropbox. Everyone I work with can access any files from any shoot anywhere in the world at anytime. It's brilliant.  :) It especially comes handy when you collaborate with people remotely. But it comes at a price and requires a good Internet connection when we upload our shoots. 
Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: mindstorm on January 23, 2019, 15:47
At the moment we have 58 TB stored on Dropbox.

I like DropBox too, but....   58TB??? How much does THAT cost???
Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: jacoblund on January 23, 2019, 16:04
At the moment we have 58 TB stored on Dropbox.

I like DropBox too, but....   58TB??? How much does THAT cost???

The Dropbox Business account has a set price per user and then offers unlimited space. Don't remember the pricing. I guess it's on their website. :)
Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: Tyson Anderson on January 23, 2019, 16:56
Great topic!  I need the same as I'm pushing over 10tb.  Planning a trip to Chile and hoping for a solid cloud service to upload from down there as a backup.  Either Dropbox or Google Drive... anyone with experience using both have a preference?
Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: mindstorm on January 23, 2019, 17:18
I need the same as I'm pushing over 10tb.  Planning a trip to Chile and hoping for a solid cloud service to upload from down there as a backup.

First, I am curious... Are you heading there in July for the eclipse?  (if so, we might see each other...)

Second, I use BackBlaze.  The only "problem" is that when I get home, all my media is moved to my desktop monster (fully loaded iMac Pro), where is must backup again. Once that is done, I delete it from my MacBook Pro, so that protection is only for the duration of the trip.

And, of course, it is very rare to have an upload speed sufficient to get my stuff all on the cloud during any of these trips. As such, I only get half, or quarter, or even less of the images to the cloud before I am home and moving them all to a different computer.

That is why I always travel with a portable 4TB USB drive.  Everything is copied to that nightly, and it is kept in a different suitcase than the computer.
Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: Shooter on January 23, 2019, 20:04
i back up to three external HDs. two in the studio and one in the car. i used to keep the DNG, TIFF and PSD files but found that I never really used them so I only keep my processed, uploaded, high res jpegs
Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: leaf on January 24, 2019, 07:15
I'm a super big fan of JottaCloud .. I wish they had a referral link but they don't :) so here is the link.. without a referral
https://www.jottacloud.com (https://www.jottacloud.com)

Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: increasingdifficulty on January 24, 2019, 07:21
My one and only advice:

Go with a BIG name.

There are so many competitors and many won't be around in 5 years... I have personal experience with this and then you have to upload everything again...
Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: mindstorm on January 24, 2019, 11:10
My one and only advice:

Go with a BIG name.

There are so many competitors and many won't be around in 5 years... I have personal experience with this and then you have to upload everything again...

I agree COMPLETELY!  I have had to do it twice now. And uploading 10TB takes roughly 8 months on my internet connection.

BackBlaze has been around for awhile, I HOPE they stay around, since that is where my 10TB now sits... :)
Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: Uncle Pete on January 24, 2019, 12:17
My one and only advice:

Go with a BIG name.

There are so many competitors and many won't be around in 5 years... I have personal experience with this and then you have to upload everything again...

I agree COMPLETELY!  I have had to do it twice now. And uploading 10TB takes roughly 8 months on my internet connection.

BackBlaze has been around for awhile, I HOPE they stay around, since that is where my 10TB now sits... :)

Pretty interesting advise and that's a long time. I thought I have slow Internet.  :)

I can understand better now, why some people want cloud, especially for travel, or multi-location use. I suppose even a small account would be good when I am on the road. I have Dropbox which could hold a weekend of photos, no video. As it is, I carry two external drives. But I see the point of cloud storage vs what some of us do on a desktop.
Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: increasingdifficulty on January 24, 2019, 13:36
Drives break. Drives get stolen. Drives burn up. They even just get lost sometimes.  ;)

Unless it's sensitive information, I think it's a good idea to have a cloud backup so that 10 years of work doesn't disappear all at once. That's of course in addition to local drive backup (at least two). I suppose Google and DropBox drives can break too.  ;)
Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: nmitchell on January 24, 2019, 15:45
If it's really Gb buy a second drive and a deck or dock. $61

(https://static.bhphoto.com/images/images500x500/startech_satdock2reu3_hdd_duplicator_dock_1_1_eraser_1406754332000_1071777.jpg)

2T drive is $69

You now have the backup drive and a copy of the backup drive.

After a year (or any time you want), put the first drive on the book shelf, or in a bank box, or offsite... buy another one, back up and you are solid. Cost will be about $70 a year.

CDs and DVDs are unreliable! Your can buy the most expensive Gold and make backups, come back five years later and there's data loss. They are slow.

Personally, I back up photos once a year, from the backup. So I have the last two years of photos on the computer, the backup of the computer all years, on an external drive, and the archived backup of the external drive on a hard drive, that's not connected to anything except when in use.

Video has it's own backup drive, same way, on the computer, on the external and on the backup of the external. Some externals will automatically keep a backup of selected drives and folders, you don't need to do anything except once a month make that redundant backup like the first example.

What I have is the originals, a copy and a backup of the copy. Pretty basic, and never in forever have I lost one file, using hard drives. DVDs and CDs and QIC tapes and Zip drives, I've lost data on every one of those.
Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: nmitchell on January 24, 2019, 15:48
Interesting to see the use of back up drive and copy of back up drive.  I'm not quite sure if I understand how it works.
Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: mindstorm on January 24, 2019, 22:36
I can understand better now, why some people want cloud, especially for travel, or multi-location use. I suppose even a small account would be good when I am on the road. I have Dropbox which could hold a weekend of photos, no video. As it is, I carry two external drives. But I see the point of cloud storage vs what some of us do on a desktop.

More than that.  What happens if your house burns down?  What happens if a burglar breaks in and steals your computer and the drives near it?

I lived in Berkeley, Calif for 26 years. Nice safe urban area.  Then the Oakland Firestorm came in 1992, destroying 3300 homes in the largest urban fire in US history. The fire was stopped literally across the street from me.  I did not lose my home that time, but it was touch-and-go.

I now live in Ecuador. Our home was burglarized and the perp stole two laptop computers and a very expensive lens (Canon 70-200 f2.8), plus $1000 in a petty cash drawer.  He did not take my disk drives, but what if he had taken those too?

Cloud backup should be part of everyone's data security plan.  Disks will fail, so daily local backup is good.  Homes burn down or get burglarized, so offsite backup is also needed.

If you don't have both onsite AND offsite backup, then you are playing Russian Roulette with your data. What will happen if you lose it all?  Setting up a continuous cloud backup for $10/month is pretty cheap when you consider the downside of not having it...
Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: photok on January 25, 2019, 06:13
I personally use DropBox Plus and couldn't be more happy. For €99.00/year I have all my images synced on all computers. I also can access them at any time from my phone or iPad. Super convenient, easy to use interface, in other words it just works. All in all, simply amazing value for money.
Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: Uncle Pete on January 25, 2019, 10:21
Interesting to see the use of back up drive and copy of back up drive.  I'm not quite sure if I understand how it works.

I have my files inside my computer. It's a desktop. (1)

I have an external drive connected, I copy everything to that drive now and then. Actually there are external drives that will do that, automatically, and always be a redundant backup of whatever folders or drives or what you choose. (2)

I have a StarDeck drive holder that I can swap in or out, different drives, nice, buy an internal desktop drive (which is what they are called), no case no cables, nothing extra. There are some cheaper solutions like a Sata USB cable to USB. I just like the deck. (3) If someone wanted offsite, they would take these drives to a safe place, bank box Etc. Fireproof storage boxes are easily available. 4T drive $119

For people who are on location or move from place to place or want backups while they travel, cloud is a better solution. For people who are worried that a 747 will fall on their home and burn up the desktop, the backup and at the same time, lightning will strike their bank or their office building, cloud would be peace of mind.

Often people forget that their cloud storage is mirrored, how many times do we read, "I deleted files on my computer and lost everything" because when you delete the computer file, the could file is removed.

Amazon Glacier looks interesting, .004 per Gb per month, then additional fees when you download. If you don't need it, you aren't paying extra, just a monthly storage fee of $4 per Terabyte. Using the 4T just because that's what I have, others will have much less, video people will have much more. Cloud at the lowest rates, $16 a month = $192 a year. Hard drives 2T, because that's what I actually have, $69 each x 2 = $138. In a year the drives have been run a couple hours total. I can buy another, next will be a 4T, probably $100 by then but $119 now.

I back up the two 2T drives to the 4T and file the 2Ts offsite, if I wanted. I keep filling the 4T. If it's full, I file it and start over with two more 2T drives. I still have old IDE drives on the book shelf, with the original files that are now backed up a few times on newer larger drives.

But the idea is redundant home backup, have one set someplace safe, off premises. In a case in the trunk of your car is a safe place. If the car gets stolen or bursts into flames, you just make another backup from the working copies at home. Your insurance covers the replacement costs. If a volcano pours lava over your house, and you escape in your car, you have your data with you. That's examples for people who want extremes and hypothetical extremely uncommon catastrophic possibilities.

I have already asked myself, who's going to care about my photos when I'm gone? No one that I know. I have left my stock accounts income to someone close and the photo hard drives and music tapes to my niece. She has two kids in their 20s, hopefully they might find something useful. But realistically, unless someone here is Ansel Adams, Karl Bissinger, Dorothea Lange or Alfred Stiglitz and that sort, worrying about most of what we shot in 2004 isn't worth the space it takes to save them.

I have negatives going back to the 50s and my parents photos going back to the 20s, those other 20s?  ;) I save them, I carry them, I move them, I scan them and I don't believe there's one photo of significance in the whole bunch. 20 years from now, no one will care about any photo I took in 2008, except maybe one. Honestly how important is cloud backup or me having a half dozen modern drives and 3-4 backups of everything I ever shot with a digital camera?
Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: RAW on January 25, 2019, 13:51
Hi,

I'd be wary of anyone offering 'Unlimited' storage.

I used to have an Amazon S3 'Unlimited' account. Amazon closed my account, they said I was abusing their 'unlimited' offering. I had 1.5TB stored. I had to delete it all.

They no longer offer 'Unlimited' storage.
Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: increasingdifficulty on January 25, 2019, 14:32
If someone wanted offsite, they would take these drives to a safe place, bank box Etc. Fireproof storage boxes are easily available. 4T drive $119

Most people (including myself) would find it quite inconvenient to have to go to the bank to get backups. And the point of cloud backup is that you can backup every day if you want. You won't do that with a bank. You would take each 4TB drive only once it's full, thereby not having very recent backups most of the time.

Often people forget that their cloud storage is mirrored, how many times do we read, "I deleted files on my computer and lost everything" because when you delete the computer file, the could file is removed.

Cloud storage is not all mirrored. Some is. Sure. But what lunatic would mirror 15TB of data?

I have already asked myself, who's going to care about my photos when I'm gone? No one that I know.

My family has photos from my grandfather that are of infinite value to us. We are certainly thankful some of his work survived.

Honestly how important is cloud backup or me having a half dozen modern drives and 3-4 backups of everything I ever shot with a digital camera?

If it's not important to you, we are not forcing you to use cloud backup.

To me, what I have created digitally is pretty much ALL that is of great value to me. All my physical things can be replaced. My life's work cannot. Having it backed up is of infinite value to me.

Some people are not nostalgic or sentimental people. Others are.
Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: mindstorm on January 25, 2019, 15:15
I personally use DropBox Plus and couldn't be more happy. For €99.00/year I have all my images synced on all computers. I also can access them at any time from my phone or iPad. Super convenient, easy to use interface, in other words it just works. All in all, simply amazing value for money.

$99/yr gets you 1TB. Not exactly "unlimited" -- I use more than PER YEAR for new media...
Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: mindstorm on January 25, 2019, 15:18
If someone wanted offsite, they would take these drives to a safe place, bank box Etc. Fireproof storage boxes are easily available. 4T drive $119

I can almost guarantee your disk will fail the very day before you were going to to the bank with a new archive!

Yes, that is what I did before the internet and cloud storage became feasible. And yes, my disk would always fail "the day before, etc"  You will procrastinate because "well, it hasn't failed yet and I am busy today. I'll do it next week."

Yeah. Been there. Done that. Didn't even get a T-shirt... :)
Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: dbvirago on January 25, 2019, 16:32
I set up a Dropbox Business account, and it's the best thing I've done for a long time.

The amount of money I've spend on harddrives (including a 48TB NAS-server configuration that required way too much maintenance) is ridiculous.

At the moment we have 58 TB stored on Dropbox. Everyone I work with can access any files from any shoot anywhere in the world at anytime. It's brilliant.  :) It especially comes handy when you collaborate with people remotely. But it comes at a price and requires a good Internet connection when we upload our shoots.

$720 a year?
Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: Uncle Pete on January 28, 2019, 08:40
If someone wanted offsite, they would take these drives to a safe place, bank box Etc. Fireproof storage boxes are easily available. 4T drive $119

I can almost guarantee your disk will fail the very day before you were going to to the bank with a new archive!

Yes, that is what I did before the internet and cloud storage became feasible. And yes, my disk would always fail "the day before, etc"  You will procrastinate because "well, it hasn't failed yet and I am busy today. I'll do it next week."

Yeah. Been there. Done that. Didn't even get a T-shirt... :)

Yes that's a valid point and doesn't make you a psychic, things like that always happen at the worst possible time.  ;D

I'm not against cloud storage and from what I see from people who use it, the availability anywhere, or for sharing with a client, and security is good. Just pointing out that for myself, it's cheaper to have multiple disks. When I read the numbers of files and the totals, like around 50T, cloud makes better sense if someone needs that and can afford the service.

Some of us, don't need the anywhere, anytime, or available for someone else features. I do have dropbox, the maximum free account. If I needed to send a photo, or a series, and I don't do much video, then I have the resources. But yes, for different people, cloud would be much better.
Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: mindstorm on January 28, 2019, 11:09
Some of us, don't need the anywhere, anytime, or available for someone else features. I do have dropbox, the maximum free account. If I needed to send a photo, or a series, and I don't do much video, then I have the resources. But yes, for different people, cloud would be much better.

I think you are missing the biggest draw of cloud backup -- protection against loss resulting from fire, burglary, or similar office-destroying events.

I have zero interest in the "anywhere, anytime" aspect of cloud backups.  In the last 50 years, we have

(1) been threatened by a volcano (we lived in the shadow of Mt St Helens when it erupted in 1980),

(2) evacuated due to a regional fire in the San Jose (CA) hills in 1985. The fire destroyed 36 homes, including that of my boss at Motorola.  The fire was literally stopped across the street from our home, so we ended up only with smoke damage.

(3) Our home was split in two during the Loma Prieta earthquake of 1989 (also known as the World Series quake, since it occurred moments before the opening pitch of the San Francisco / Oakland baseball world series.)  My office was completely destroyed.  (Actually, we sold that house just 3 months before the quake, so it was the buyers that got destroyed.  We moved North to Berkeley, where....)

(4) evacuated due to the largest urban fire in the US in 1992, in Berkeley (CA) where 3300 homes were burned in the Oakland Firestorm.  Again, the fire was literally stopped across the street from us, so our damage was a canopy and landscaping.

(5) were burglarized in 2016, where the thief took two laptops, a Canon 70-200 f2.8 lens (costs $2500) and $1000 in cash from our petty cash drawer (my wife had sold a painting the day before).  Fortunately, the disk drives were in a separate locked room, and were not taken,

When I have a disk failure, I have local backups to recover, via Time Machine.  Much faster and more convenient.  However, in those 5 instances noted above, we might have lost all our onsite data in one giant flop.  Had that happened, I would have been VERY happy to have a cloud backup to recover from.
Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: Microstockphoto on January 28, 2019, 17:11
15GB? buy 4 memory sticks and keep them in a safe place, separately of course.

problem sorted for 10 dollar
Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: davidbautista on January 29, 2019, 09:23
Box and mega have 100 gb for free combined.
Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: Artist on January 29, 2019, 09:31
Its good to buy the physical HDD and save them.
Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: kjekol on January 31, 2019, 09:33
Agree with Leaf! I have used Jottacloud for years and have 30TB+ :)
Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: RAW on January 31, 2019, 10:20
Agree with Leaf! I have used Jottacloud for years and have 30TB+ :)

Hi kjekol,

Are you on the Jottacloud Personal plan?
How long have you had 30TB online ?

Thanks!
Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: swisschocolate on April 27, 2019, 06:13
Agree with Leaf! I have used Jottacloud for years and have 30TB+ :)

Hi kjekol,

Are you on the Jottacloud Personal plan?
How long have you had 30TB online ?

Thanks!

I'm also very interested.

I've just read that after 10-40TB Jottacloud may limit your "unlimited" plan.
Is anyone else using it with big amounts of footage for example and for how long?

Thanks!
Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: 08stock08 on April 27, 2019, 06:53
I evaluated google, amazon and Azure for having a system for processing there. After putting some systems in place, I calculated costs. Those are very high. The storage cost is hourly. I am settled on this now to have the dedicated hardware at my premises. Cloud storage is not cheaper. If you are looking for space for photos, I would say use mostphotos they are generous. You can download them whenever you need. and yeah sale also here and there sometimes.

I use 2 each 2TB external Seagate disks. Western Digital can give you the deathly symptoms anytime. I have seen cases of completely wipeouts with WD. Seagate never gave me any problem.
Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: swisschocolate on April 27, 2019, 07:08
Thanks for sharing your experience.

For photos I use SmugMug, it's $6 per month unlimited and I like the interface, it's also possible to store unlimited HD video there, but not 4K.

Unfortunately, Seagate constantly crushes... Well, they work for 2-3 years though, but not more :D in my case.

So I'm looking where to store all the 4K stuff online in addition to disks and Jottacloud has a wonderful price, but will they allow tens of terabytes?
Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: Trippy on April 27, 2019, 14:55
Thanks for sharing your experience.

For photos I use SmugMug, it's $6 per month unlimited and I like the interface, it's also possible to store unlimited HD video there, but not 4K.

Unfortunately, Seagate constantly crushes... Well, they work for 2-3 years though, but not more :D in my case.

So I'm looking where to store all the 4K stuff online in addition to disks and Jottacloud has a wonderful price, but will they allow tens of terabytes?

Smugmug does not keep your original files. They convert the video to mp4.
Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: swisschocolate on April 27, 2019, 15:18
Smugmug does not keep your original files. They convert the video to mp4.

Ah, thanks, good to know.

Anyway, there is no 4K, so need another solution for video. But for photos they're pretty good, you can sync or upload via Lightroom and there is an app, so everything is accessible anywhere.
Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: trek on April 28, 2019, 19:49
Thanks for sharing your experience.

For photos I use SmugMug, it's $6 per month unlimited and I like the interface, it's also possible to store unlimited HD video there, but not 4K.

Unfortunately, Seagate constantly crushes... Well, they work for 2-3 years though, but not more :D in my case.

So I'm looking where to store all the 4K stuff online in addition to disks and Jottacloud has a wonderful price, but will they allow tens of terabytes?

I found the usb out on modern drives to be a weak link.  There's only one out on drives these days.  If a little pin gets bent it wont connect.  I saved two external drives by transplanting the actual drive in a new housing. 
Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: charged on April 28, 2019, 22:48
I use both a NAS (drobo) and backblaze.com. Very happy with both. Backblaze will backup my NAS.
Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: georgep7 on April 29, 2019, 06:19
Just double saving in external hdds but this is not the reason I posted an answer.

Actually.....

Quote
To me, what I have created digitally is pretty much ALL that is of great value to me. All my physical things can be replaced. My life's work cannot. Having it backed up is of infinite value to me.

...love the dedication expressed in those words.
Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: swisschocolate on April 29, 2019, 09:55
I use both a NAS (drobo) and backblaze.com. Very happy with both. Backblaze will backup my NAS.

Is it possible to connect only external drives to Backblaze without connecting the main computer?

Also, if I delete something by mistake (and if I won't notice), then it will be deleted on Bb as well? If yes, what is the point of such backup... Just curious how it works. Thanks.
Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: mindstorm on April 29, 2019, 10:10
BackBlaze is USELESS IF YOU TRAVEL!

I spent 3 months getting a full 4TB of data backed up to BackBlaze. Thought I was in good shape...

Then I took our recent trip and discovered just how wrong I was!  Because the main disk at home is not traveling with me, it has not connected to the web for 30 days. BB just deletes the disk in that case. No chance to recover it. No chance to flag a disk as "keep it even if off the net for awhile."  Just gone.

I deleted my BackBlaze account. Totally useless piece of junk if you travel as I do.  I am out of the country roughly 3 months of each year.  Gone for more than 30 days at a time, and kiss your precious backup goodbye. :(

I will be home in a couple weeks, and then will search for some usable cloud backup that won't just delete a disk because its main computer is roaming...
Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: dirkr on April 29, 2019, 14:19
BackBlaze is USELESS IF YOU TRAVEL!

I spent 3 months getting a full 4TB of data backed up to BackBlaze. Thought I was in good shape...

Then I took our recent trip and discovered just how wrong I was!  Because the main disk at home is not traveling with me, it has not connected to the web for 30 days. BB just deletes the disk in that case. No chance to recover it. No chance to flag a disk as "keep it even if off the net for awhile."  Just gone.

I deleted my BackBlaze account. Totally useless piece of junk if you travel as I do.  I am out of the country roughly 3 months of each year.  Gone for more than 30 days at a time, and kiss your precious backup goodbye. :(

I will be home in a couple weeks, and then will search for some usable cloud backup that won't just delete a disk because its main computer is roaming...

Wow, that's hard.

I'm using Crashplan, don't know what they will do when your PC isn't online for longer time periods (well, they do send warnings after a few days, but I never had issues continuing the backup process after a few weeks). Maybe ask them what they will do if you're away for longer...

@swisschocolate: they do keep deleted files, if you want to (you can configure that) even forever. And they do keep versions of files, so you can go back to older versions of e.g. documents when you have overwritten something you want to get back.
I don't think you can connect only an external drive, as the backup process runs on the PC...
Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: PaceyH on June 18, 2019, 13:59
At the moment we have 58 TB stored on Dropbox.

I like DropBox too, but....   58TB??? How much does THAT cost???

The Dropbox Business account has a set price per user and then offers unlimited space. Don't remember the pricing. I guess it's on their website. :)

Love Dropbox for this reason!! Unlimited is the best. BUT, don't forget to change over credit card info if you get a new card! They'll drop the account and you'll lose the data. Completely my fault - but just wanted to put out that warning to anyone reading!
Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: marthamarks on June 18, 2019, 19:30
BackBlaze is USELESS IF YOU TRAVEL!

I spent 3 months getting a full 4TB of data backed up to BackBlaze. Thought I was in good shape...

Then I took our recent trip and discovered just how wrong I was!  Because the main disk at home is not traveling with me, it has not connected to the web for 30 days. BB just deletes the disk in that case. No chance to recover it. No chance to flag a disk as "keep it even if off the net for awhile."  Just gone.

I deleted my BackBlaze account. Totally useless piece of junk if you travel as I do.  I am out of the country roughly 3 months of each year.  Gone for more than 30 days at a time, and kiss your precious backup goodbye. :(

OMG, you've just described my situation exactly! I don't travel out of the country (or anywhere) for that long, but I often go more than a month without uploading new images to my backup drives.

I purchased BackBlaze last week and have uploaded most of the contents of my laptop. Was about to hook up my "first tier" 3T backup drive (from which I back up to other drives) to Backblaze to get that uploaded too.

But if I understand what you're saying… all that data from the backup drive will be erased on BB if I don't have the drive hooked up to the computer at least once a month. Is that correct???

If so, I'm going to cancel too, because that's no good for me.

Thanks for tipping me off to that!
Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: davidbautista on September 30, 2019, 23:07
Hello. Sorry for reviving this thread. I want to ask you for your experience with cloud storage. I want cloud storage for my day to day work (which is not photography) but I also want to storage almost 2 TB of photos/movies/my university stuff. So I want a combination of just storage but also SYNC cloud storage such as Google Drive or Dropbox. I've seen Dropbox is kind of expensive... it's like 10 usd per month for 2TB... and also google (7 usd/month/2TB). So I want to ask you what's your opinion on sync.com and idrive.com, do they work as smoothly as Dropbox or Google Drive? I also saw Jottacloud and Blackbaze but I don't think they "sync" my work... right? For example if I'm working on a Word document in Dropbox I can syncing very conveniently but I don't know about this unlimited storage if they are like this (I don't know if you understand me)... Thank you for any help.

TL;DR: I want a cheaper alternative to Dropbox or Google Drive with the fast doc sync possibilities, not just backup or storage

EDIT: I just read again the whole thing. So Jottacloud and Backblaze can backup my other clouds right? because I have like 5 free clouds with good sync (Drive, Dropbox, Box...). So I can work on those clouds and then backup everything to Jottacloud or Backblaze? What are your experiences with those two? I see their price are 6-7.5 usd per month for unlimited space. I think I have like 3TB (approx). Or should I go for the 5TB on other sites which are like 10-12?

EDIT 2: I re-read everything again. I don't want that mirrored thing that they delete your files if you are not connecting the HD or the PC in a month. So I would like a 5 TB "normal" sync cloud storage. Is there something good like Dropbox or Google but for 6-8 usd/month?
Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: charged on October 01, 2019, 00:54
BackBlaze is USELESS IF YOU TRAVEL!

I spent 3 months getting a full 4TB of data backed up to BackBlaze. Thought I was in good shape...

Then I took our recent trip and discovered just how wrong I was!  Because the main disk at home is not traveling with me, it has not connected to the web for 30 days. BB just deletes the disk in that case. No chance to recover it. No chance to flag a disk as "keep it even if off the net for awhile."  Just gone.

I deleted my BackBlaze account. Totally useless piece of junk if you travel as I do.  I am out of the country roughly 3 months of each year.  Gone for more than 30 days at a time, and kiss your precious backup goodbye. :(

I will be home in a couple weeks, and then will search for some usable cloud backup that won't just delete a disk because its main computer is roaming...

Backblaze is a great product at a really great price. I have 3TB on their cloud and I only pay $6 a month for peace of mind.

If you can afford to travel away from home for a really extensive amount of time, I'd say you can probably afford to have 2 accounts with backblaze. I had 2 accounts for a while. One account is for home computer and the other account is for travel computer. So in that  case your data is always backed up. I'm also periodically away from home for months at a time but that isn't typical for most people. So I assume backblaze's 30 day thing works for most people. I'm really commenting to come to backblaze's defense. I really like the product.

In your case, what you could do is probably just pay for web hosting space. Use a FTP program to sync your hard drives automatically to the cloud every day, or do it manually. In this scenario your data on the cloud would not be deleted ever. There is no 30 day no sync automatic deletion here. 
Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: rinderart on December 14, 2019, 20:54
After a gazillion Images going back to scanned negs Long before Digital. I tried everything. The worst was Carbonite. I ran it 24/7 for 4 Months and finally said F this as it was Only 60% done. I use 5 3TB Lacies Now. and Once a year I replaced them. I can't tell you the years  and Months I spent doing Gold DVDs. Now I use 65GB Flash drives. I get them for 8 Bucks from Office depot. I deliver work to Clients with them also. never had a Lacie Fail. Luck? whatever. I spent a year scanning Negs when this started. A Nightmare.
Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: Tk113 on December 15, 2019, 19:09
Hello everybody!

I have been a freelance photographer for over 8 years and have accumulated over 15GB worth of images which are all mostly stored on external hard-drives.  A few months ago I had an issue with a failing external hard-drive and I now need to look into storing all of my back-catalogue of images onto cloud storage. I therefore need a cloud storage company that would enable me to have unlimited storage.  I will then continue to use the cloud storage to upload all the new images that I take over the coming years.

Can anybody reccommend a good storage company that they use themselves?  How do you all store your back-catalogue of images? 

Thank you in advance for you input and I look forward to reading and responding to your replies!

Thanks,
Chris.

If you have Amazon Prime you get free unlimited uploads to Amazon Photos, this includes RAW files too!


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Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: marthamarks on December 15, 2019, 21:10

If you have Amazon Prime you get free unlimited uploads to Amazon Photos, this includes RAW files too!

Is there a limit to the overall size of the uploads?
Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: Tk113 on December 15, 2019, 22:08

If you have Amazon Prime you get free unlimited uploads to Amazon Photos, this includes RAW files too!

Is there a limit to the overall size of the uploads?

Not that I know of.


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Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: marthamarks on December 15, 2019, 23:10

If you have Amazon Prime you get free unlimited uploads to Amazon Photos, this includes RAW files too!

Is there a limit to the overall size of the uploads?


Not that I know of.


Thanks for that. I'll check it out.

EDITED TO ADD: I did just research this service, and apparently the photo storage capacity is unlimited. Not so with videos, however, since it specifies a 5GB limit there:

From amazon.com: The company offers free, unlimited photo storage, at full resolution, to its Amazon Prime customers. Members get an additional 5GB of storage for videos and other documents or files

That might be enough for a good collection of HD videos, but it won't hold many 4Ks.

For the moment, I'll stick with Backblaze… which I do like but just have to remember to plug in my main backup drive at least once a month.
Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: steheap on December 16, 2019, 10:20
I keep separate folders for all the JPEGs that have been created for stock uploads on a different physical drive to my original Raw shots. I back up the Raw ones continually onto an external drive, but I've been uploading all the JPEGs to the free Amazon prime drive over the past weeks. I now have 25000 images for 159GB of storage that is all free (obviously I pay for Prime). It all happens in the background - whenever I add a new JPEG to my stock upload folders, it gets backed up to their cloud. I can see them and download them wherever I am, which also helps if someone actually buys an image from my personal stock website and something goes wrong with the delivery!

Steve
Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: marthamarks on December 16, 2019, 10:49
I keep separate folders for all the JPEGs that have been created for stock uploads on a different physical drive to my original Raw shots. I back up the Raw ones continually onto an external drive, but I've been uploading all the JPEGs to the free Amazon prime drive over the past weeks. I now have 25000 images for 159GB of storage that is all free (obviously I pay for Prime). It all happens in the background - whenever I add a new JPEG to my stock upload folders, it gets backed up to their cloud. I can see them and download them wherever I am, which also helps if someone actually buys an image from my personal stock website and something goes wrong with the delivery!

Steve

Steve, that sounds like a reasonably simple and effective approach. I may give it a try.

Thanks for the suggestion.
Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: charged on December 16, 2019, 11:08
I keep separate folders for all the JPEGs that have been created for stock uploads on a different physical drive to my original Raw shots. I back up the Raw ones continually onto an external drive, but I've been uploading all the JPEGs to the free Amazon prime drive over the past weeks. I now have 25000 images for 159GB of storage that is all free (obviously I pay for Prime). It all happens in the background - whenever I add a new JPEG to my stock upload folders, it gets backed up to their cloud. I can see them and download them wherever I am, which also helps if someone actually buys an image from my personal stock website and something goes wrong with the delivery!

Steve

Steve, that sounds like a reasonably simple and effective approach. I may give it a try.

Thanks for the suggestion.

Backblaze backups your entire machine, not just photos. I have Amazon Prime, but I still rather use backblaze. Also you can now pay extra on backblaze to not have to plugin your external hard drive once per month.
Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: marthamarks on December 16, 2019, 15:51
Also you can now pay extra on backblaze to not have to plugin your external hard drive once per month.

I didn't know that. Will check it out and sign up if it's not too much $$.

Thanks!
Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: Chichikov on December 17, 2019, 03:35
I am trying Jottacloud, the free version, for test.
I find is incredibly slow!!!!
It arrived enough fast to 33% of the job, but now it sticks there for hours…

Edit:
Even if it is not the best cloud in the world I think that this offer can interest some of you
https://www.idrive.com/idrive/signup/el/techradar3tb?subtag=trd-1260711583174608650 (https://www.idrive.com/idrive/signup/el/techradar3tb?subtag=trd-1260711583174608650)
Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: digipro on August 15, 2020, 14:55
A word of caution for anyone using Backblaze to backup videos, check your account and see if any of your video files were actually backed up. I've had Backblaze running for almost 8 months and decided to go and see what was backup up so far and I was very disappointment to see that none of video files were there. Yes, I checked the files exclusions in the settings, no mp4 or mov. Also the control panel is very buggy and often freezes.
Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: rinderart on August 15, 2020, 15:39
Ever since digital happened I tried many times to save stuff and it always goes Out of style.....NOW... I keep 3 systems.... everything saved On huge array of HD's One here and One at a neighbors house and a Third ONLINE paid for By clients to hold Only their work. each client gets a password for access to their stuff Only. After years of trying everything available. this system works well.Until something better comes along and looks Like It won't be Long before that happens.....it always does.

Not interested in a cloud.
Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: cascoly on August 15, 2020, 17:14
realize this is an old thread - but if you have MS office/365 you get 1 Tb of online storage included

i've used it for years & what's great is you can sync across multiple devices so each has full access

i also have an ext HD w another backup
Title: Re: The Best Unlimited Cloud Storage?
Post by: rinderart on August 15, 2020, 19:07
Sounds great. everything sounds Like a "Old Thread" But Im Older...........LOL