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« Reply #25 on: January 28, 2011, 12:31 »
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I don't know how to copy and paste the keywords from your site to my files on the computer: there's no possibility of copy/paste and keywords are not separated by comma!
They can be copy-pasted for a single file if clicking the [num] link on the metadata view (will show a dialog in the center of the screen, where keywords are shown (ie. not the edit view)).

The better option though is to use the 'Export Metadata' tool (bottom middle on process page) to generate a spreadsheet (csv or tsv) in your desired format for all selected files (or of course to export source files to your own ftp). There are many tools (some free some not so free) which can then be used to re-apply the metadata to your local sources. I'd like to build something for this into the picNiche toolbar though it's a very complex build so for now I defer to the many desktop apps which already do a great job of it.

I notice also the impossibility to reduce pictures size for shutterstock and other subscription site, it's easy to add and very useful, without that, I can't use picworlfow.
This is coming very soon (hopefully will have time this weekend), though it's not as easy as it first sounds because of the traffic and cpu requirement to perform the resize when hosting 'in the cloud'. I am also adding the ability to retain original filenames when distributed so will release these at the same time as they face more-or-less the same technical issue.

I don't understand also why we must write the copyright for each picture, it's waste of time.
If an image is uploaded & imported without the copyright field specified, picWorkflow will automatically set your copyright field based on the value you have most often used previously. (If you have only imported a single batch on which all files had no copyright field set, then you won't have seen this, but it is set on following imports). The copyright field is settable per-file because people often attribute their files differently (company name, personal name, wife/hubby, business partner, etc etc) depending on who they are exporting to, or on the type of file (footage/illustration/photo/etc).

Does that help? :)


« Reply #26 on: January 28, 2011, 12:36 »
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Ok,
I've found the export data on csv before your answer but it's not easy to copy and paste and i've found more keywords than on the site!! Some keywords are not corresponding to any pictures, so i will try the selection.
thank you.

« Reply #27 on: January 28, 2011, 12:41 »
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The most practical export settings for what you want to do is probably:

tsv (tab separated).
Empty filter field.

Then export string of:
[orig_filename],[title],[description],[keywords]

[filename] gives the picworkflow token (most important if for example uploading a meta text-file after footage export to shutterstock/canstock) whereas [orig_filename] gives the name of the source file when you uploaded it to pw.

Bob :)

Edit: since the addition of the keywording service, this is the most likely required export format for which there is no preset (there are SS and CanStockPhoto presets), so I have set it as the default selection for all 'new' metadata exports.
« Last Edit: January 28, 2011, 12:45 by bobbigmac »

« Reply #28 on: January 28, 2011, 12:51 »
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Thanks, but it's too complicated to use and take long time, also visibility is impossible: title, description and keywords are mixed on the same line and i hate csv.
Also, there's the other problems of new keywords appearing, some files have now 54 keywords instead of 40! that's a real mess!

I've copied and pasted from the keywords number and it's ok.


Oups, sorry Bob, there's no Alamy distribution on picworkflow?
« Last Edit: January 28, 2011, 12:53 by Smithore »

« Reply #29 on: January 28, 2011, 13:33 »
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Thanks, but it's too complicated to use and take long time, also visibility is impossible: title, description and keywords are mixed on the same line and i hate csv.
Export .tsv instead of .csv and the tab separator makes sure excel/openoffice displays them correctly. (ie. it won't split the keywords into individual columns)

Also, there's the other problems of new keywords appearing, some files have now 54 keywords instead of 40! that's a real mess!
Thanks, caught a bug there, some files were outputting removed keywords too. I've updated the database query to now export the correct keywords for all files. :)

Oups, sorry Bob, there's no Alamy distribution on picworkflow?
Not yet, I've contacted them twice but still have heard nothing back.
If you'd like alamy added, please contact them and request that they allow picWorkflow access on your behalf and maybe they'll get a move on and get back to me :)

« Reply #30 on: January 28, 2011, 15:29 »
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There are many tools (some free some not so free) which can then be used to re-apply the metadata to your local sources.

Can you give links to something like that or suggest google terms to search to find them?  I'd love to have access to something like that but I'm even sure what term to search for.  I would be trying to get them into lightroom.

« Reply #31 on: January 28, 2011, 15:53 »
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try searching for terms like "freeware image metadata tool", "open source metadata sync", "exif sync tool", etc etc. There are others more familiar with that process than me. I tend to code my own apps or scripts for stuff like that, but only occasionally make them stable and 'pretty' enough for general release (if you tried the picNiche Image Deck you'll see what I mean ;)).

I hope to add 'sync-back' support for purchased keywords to the picWorkflow Lightroom export plugin, but at the moment the Lightroom api just doesn't quite support it.

« Reply #32 on: January 30, 2011, 10:35 »
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Bob, I don't have time actually to contact Alamy, if you already tried two times without success, it's not me who gonna change something.
As you are the developer of picworkflow, it's up to you...

We have actually two isyndica remplacement: one permit to send to all photography agencies and don't permit to video ones, the other (picworkflow) missing alamy and resize pictures option.

« Reply #33 on: January 30, 2011, 14:59 »
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Bob, I don't have time actually to contact Alamy, if you already tried two times without success, it's not me who gonna change something.
As you are the developer of picworkflow, it's up to you...

Much of the 'behaviour' of agencies is determined by their contributors, they are resistant to third-party companies... simply put, if you want your agencies to provide better services, demand it of them. I can only work within the boundaries they set :/

« Reply #34 on: January 31, 2011, 06:07 »
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I notice also the impossibility to reduce pictures size for shutterstock and other subscription site, it's easy to add and very useful, without that, I can't use picworlfow.
Thanks.

I have updated picWorkflow to let you specify for a destination the resolution (in steps of 1 megapixel) each image will be uploaded at. If any image uploaded is larger than the size you specify it will be downsized at 100% jpeg quality before uploading.

It will size as close to the megapixel as it can whilst still staying slightly above that number (so you can upload safely at an agency minimum), and will keep the frame divisible by a 'safe' number of pixels to avoid recompression artifacts (usually a size divisible by 4, but sometimes the height will cause a size divisible by 6/8).

It has also been requested to have an option to keep original filenames on export, this has been added too.
You can find both these settings on the credential management page under the 'Edit' panel for each configured destination.



Does that help Smithore? :)

« Reply #35 on: January 31, 2011, 06:59 »
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Great BOB!
I 'll test it tomorrow!!!
Just alamy is missing and after it's ok for me!  ;D

thanks bob

« Reply #36 on: January 31, 2011, 12:04 »
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I notice also the impossibility to reduce pictures size for shutterstock and other subscription site, it's easy to add and very useful, without that, I can't use picworlfow.
Thanks.

I have updated picWorkflow to let you specify for a destination the resolution (in steps of 1 megapixel) each image will be uploaded at. If any image uploaded is larger than the size you specify it will be downsized at 100% jpeg quality before uploading.

It will size as close to the megapixel as it can whilst still staying slightly above that number (so you can upload safely at an agency minimum), and will keep the frame divisible by a 'safe' number of pixels to avoid recompression artifacts (usually a size divisible by 4, but sometimes the height will cause a size divisible by 6/8).

It has also been requested to have an option to keep original filenames on export, this has been added too.
You can find both these settings on the credential management page under the 'Edit' panel for each configured destination.



Does that help Smithore? :)

Excellent. Thanks for that Bob. I'm enjoying using the service, great to see this new development.

« Reply #37 on: January 31, 2011, 18:46 »
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Bob, maybe there is a glitch :
-I've sent a file on shutterstock using your downsize tool to 10mpx and the pictures doesn't appear in the shutterstock queue, it seems it's not uploaded!
the same picture not downsized is at the queue at the others sites.

« Reply #38 on: January 31, 2011, 19:52 »
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It's definitely uploaded and received (log shows correct raw data transferred), but Shutterstock are not currently importing files from their FTP server to user accounts. (Most likely some problem or maintenance on their end).

To double check I've tested several other upload methods and this is the same for files uploaded via FTP for regular software, browser and picWorkflow. Doesn't happen often but the files should appear whenever they fix whatever is broken (I've seen a similar issue for upto a couple of hours at their end, but usually not much more than that).

Edit: My test files finally appeared in Shutterstock account around 7am (GMT), meaning about 7 hours delay or downtime on the ss server.
« Last Edit: February 01, 2011, 02:28 by bobbigmac »

« Reply #39 on: February 01, 2011, 12:53 »
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Thanks bob, it's ok for me too, shutter was in late...

« Reply #40 on: February 01, 2011, 13:40 »
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Good to hear, thanks for letting me know :)

« Reply #41 on: February 08, 2011, 06:21 »
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As I alluded earlier in this thread, picWorkflow now offers free microstock distribution for images when you purchase keywords through the keywording service:

http://blog.picniche.com/featured/free-microstock-distribution-with-picworkflow/

I have also added an new account policy where your account will be credited with 40 free credits each month (if you spent any the previous month).

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