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Title: PicNiche info required
Post by: Stu49 on January 19, 2010, 18:47
Can anyone point me in the right direction for info on using PicNiche, especially how to interpret the results from the 'Keyword Phrase' analyser ??

Phrase   L   T   Count   Views   Sales   V/F   D/F   Rating

What does all this mean !?   :-\

Title: Re: PicNiche info required
Post by: eyeCatchLight on January 20, 2010, 10:36
also, what is the number next to the FT, SS, etc.? I initially thought of it as the total number of downloads, but it doesn't correspond.
PicNiche is great!! 8)
Title: Re: PicNiche info required
Post by: Stu49 on January 20, 2010, 12:41
also, what is the number next to the FT, SS, etc.? I initially thought of it as the total number of downloads, but it doesn't correspond.
PicNiche is great!! 8)

 ???  what numbers ?

Phrase   L   T   Count   Views   Sales      V/F    D/F    Rating
boat    GB 1.00 94037 142881 21858   1.52   0.23   0.35
                                                       FT SS IS BS DT- GI

That's what I'm seeing (roughly), no numers next to FT,SS etc..  ??

Title: Re: PicNiche info required
Post by: eyeCatchLight on January 20, 2010, 12:47
i mean in the picNiche bar, from left to right, there is the refresh button, then that number, then FT earnings, then SS earnings, IS earnings, and so on.
Title: Re: PicNiche info required
Post by: Stu49 on January 20, 2010, 13:06
i mean in the picNiche bar, from left to right, there is the refresh button, then that number, then FT earnings, then SS earnings, IS earnings, and so on.

I thought that might be total earnings !?  Mine is a very small number !  :(  but seems to be roughly the total of all the others ??



Title: Re: PicNiche info required
Post by: eyeCatchLight on January 20, 2010, 13:11
you're so clever, that's really it! ;D I thought it was the number of downloads....
Title: Re: PicNiche info required
Post by: Stu49 on January 20, 2010, 13:15
you're so clever, that's really it! ;D I thought it was the number of downloads....

Just checked that out and it does indeed increase as u add agencies :)

Now answer my question ;)

Title: Re: PicNiche info required
Post by: eyeCatchLight on January 20, 2010, 13:17

Now answer my question ;)


actually I don't know  ::). i'll have a look now.
Title: Re: PicNiche info required
Post by: eyeCatchLight on January 20, 2010, 13:23

Phrase   L   T   Count   Views   Sales      V/F    D/F    Rating
boat    GB 1.00 94037 142881 21858   1.52   0.23   0.35
                                                       FT SS IS BS DT- GI


I think L=country, V/F=views/photo, D/F=downloads/photo. It seems to be derived from another language, could be German.
I don't know for T and how the Rating is calculated. I think it gives a measure for how effective a keyword is or so....

Actually the guy who made this is a microstockgroup member, I think you could just PM him (and tell me then  ;D)
Title: Re: PicNiche info required
Post by: eyeCatchLight on January 20, 2010, 13:35
This is the explanation of the graph.

http://picniche.wordpress.com/2009/10/29/ch-ch-ch-changes-stock-photography-over-time/ (http://picniche.wordpress.com/2009/10/29/ch-ch-ch-changes-stock-photography-over-time/)
Title: Re: PicNiche info required
Post by: Stu49 on January 20, 2010, 14:05
This is the explanation of the graph.

[url]http://picniche.wordpress.com/2009/10/29/ch-ch-ch-changes-stock-photography-over-time/[/url] ([url]http://picniche.wordpress.com/2009/10/29/ch-ch-ch-changes-stock-photography-over-time/[/url])


Seen that !  ;)

Title: Re: PicNiche info required
Post by: bobbigmac on February 06, 2010, 08:32

Phrase   L   T   Count   Views   Sales      V/F    D/F    Rating
boat    GB 1.00 94037 142881 21858   1.52   0.23   0.35
                                                       FT SS IS BS DT- GI
I think L=country, V/F=views/photo, D/F=downloads/photo. It seems to be derived from another language, could be German.
I don't know for T and how the Rating is calculated. I think it gives a measure for how effective a keyword is or so....

That's pretty much it :)

L = Language (GB = British English, US = American English, FR = French etc :)
T = Typability (if it's a long phrase it's less 'typable')
V/F = Views per File (as it counts both vectors and photos), this is effectively the search-visibility rating
D/F = Downloads per File, this is the 'conversion' rating.
The final rating is a product of the visibility and conversion.

And yep, the number to the left (on the refresh button) on the toolbar is the total sales for all tracked sites.

Hope that helps, sorry about the delay, found this whilst googling :)

Bob
Title: Re: PicNiche info required
Post by: Stu49 on February 06, 2010, 08:52

That's pretty much it :)

L = Language (GB = British English, US = American English, FR = French etc :)
T = Typability (if it's a long phrase it's less 'typable')
V/F = Views per File (as it counts both vectors and photos), this is effectively the search-visibility rating
D/F = Downloads per File, this is the 'conversion' rating.
The final rating is a product of the visibility and conversion.

And yep, the number to the left (on the refresh button) on the toolbar is the total sales for all tracked sites.

Hope that helps, sorry about the delay, found this whilst googling :)

Bob


Thanks for that Bob !  :)

Had worked out most of it, but you've just expounded on what I knew. Couldn't find any help for this anywhere !?

Just as an aside, had problems with PicNiche yesterday and when I removed an add-on for screen splitting, I suddenly got several notifications !  I also happen to know it interferes with the iSyndica add-on too !
Title: Re: PicNiche info required
Post by: bobbigmac on February 06, 2010, 09:02
Thanks for that Bob !  :)

Had worked out most of it, but you've just expounded on what I knew. Couldn't find any help for this anywhere !?

Just as an aside, had problems with PicNiche yesterday and when I removed an add-on for screen splitting, I suddenly got several notifications !  I also happen to know it interferes with the iSyndica add-on too !

The descriptions popup on mouseover of the field header :) I'm a big fan of mouseovers, if there's anything in picNiche which isn't obvious, try holding your mouse over it :)

It 'should not' interfere with any other addons as it's all namespaced well, but will definetly investigate.
Which screen splitting addon was it, was it Split Browser (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4287)?
I don't run the isyndica addon myself, but will give it a go and try to find what might be causing the problem.
Title: Re: PicNiche info required
Post by: Stu49 on February 06, 2010, 09:13

The descriptions popup on mouseover of the field header :) I'm a big fan of mouseovers, if there's anything in picNiche which isn't obvious, try holding your mouse over it :)

It 'should not' interfere with any other addons as it's all namespaced well, but will definetly investigate.
Which screen splitting addon was it, was it Split Browser (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4287)?
I don't run the isyndica addon myself, but will give it a go and try to find what might be causing the problem.


Well so they do !  Silly me for missing that  :-[

The app is Split Browser  0.6.2009110501  :  I wasn't using it so I disabled it, and up popped 5/6 notifications from the previous day.  The iSyndica app shows total sales in the status bar (bottom right) where your P is.  I got Seb at iSyndica to modify his app due to not showing the totals, then we found it only stops if PicNiche is running.  He said u have used that area incorrectly !!  ;)  (not getting into that argument ;)
Title: Re: PicNiche info required
Post by: bobbigmac on February 06, 2010, 09:23
Thanks Stu

I've found the problem with picNiche and iSyndica addons interfering with each other (which one breaks depends on which loads first).
 I'll say for the record that their addon needs to be namespaced (as it's probably causing problems with a lot of addons). I've made Hugo aware of this as I don't have Seb's details, and they will probably fix in the next version too.

I will however modify the picNiche toolbars in the next version to workaround the problems (should be online sometime monday/tuesday, I will post a link here soon as it is :)

Still trying to identify the problem with Split Browser, but will sort that this weekend too :)
Thanks very much for the info :)
Title: Re: PicNiche info required
Post by: Stu49 on February 06, 2010, 09:33
And thank you for the response  :)

Title: Re: PicNiche info required
Post by: bobbigmac on February 10, 2010, 09:22
New version updated to fix the problems you mentioned.
Thanks very much for the info :)

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addons/versions/11474#version-1.1 (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addons/versions/11474#version-1.1)

I've also put a quick post up about this version as it now allows you to make your own toolbar buttons.

http://picniche.wordpress.com/2010/02/10/add-your-own-buttons-to-picniche-toolbar/ (http://picniche.wordpress.com/2010/02/10/add-your-own-buttons-to-picniche-toolbar/)
Title: Re: PicNiche info required
Post by: Danicek on February 10, 2010, 09:47
Great update Bob. Thanks for the hard work...
Title: Re: PicNiche info required
Post by: tamasvargyasi on February 10, 2010, 09:48
Thank you, just to let you know at the Veer, it`s still showing the amount that I already got paid, it is not deducted, or it has to???
Title: Re: PicNiche info required
Post by: bobbigmac on February 10, 2010, 09:59
Aye, the samples I've put up are not exhaustive, as I've only been on Veer a month or so (Yay for two years but still no sales :()
I haven't made enough sales for payout for example so can't create pollers as solid as the 'authneticated' pollers.
That's why I've opened it up to this model where anyone can create their own and share them, or if you know people at the agencies, ask them to create one :D
Title: Re: PicNiche info required
Post by: Stu49 on February 10, 2010, 10:26
Aye, the samples I've put up are not exhaustive, as I've only been on Veer a month or so (Yay for two years but still no sales :()
I haven't made enough sales for payout for example so can't create pollers as solid as the 'authneticated' pollers.
That's why I've opened it up to this model where anyone can create their own and share them, or if you know people at the agencies, ask them to create one :D

Excellent !!  Alamy working fine and just built my own for DepositPhotos !  But where do I find info, like 'favicon' and such, on these sites ??  You'll have to do an intensive blog !?  :)  You've obviously got lots of spare time ! ;)
Title: Re: PicNiche info required
Post by: bobbigmac on February 10, 2010, 10:34
I've been toying with the idea of making a few screencasts about the picNiche stuff, and creating a poller would be a great subject. Sadly I don't have the time to do them yet (at least not to do them well) :(
I'm hoping someone will jump in and make a detailed post or blog entry about it once it's established a bit, in the meantime I will have to wait and see what you guys and gals can come up with :D
 
Title: Re: PicNiche info required
Post by: Stu49 on February 10, 2010, 11:09
I've been toying with the idea of making a few screencasts about the picNiche stuff, and creating a poller would be a great subject. Sadly I don't have the time to do them yet (at least not to do them well) :(
I'm hoping someone will jump in and make a detailed post or blog entry about it once it's established a bit, in the meantime I will have to wait and see what you guys and gals can come up with :D
 

Well if I could find the damned info on DP, I'd fill in the rest of the poller info and share it !!   ???

I would also create a few more !  Keeps me out of mischief !!  ;)  Maybe u could pm me some more info or a link !?  :)
Title: Re: PicNiche info required
Post by: bobbigmac on February 10, 2010, 11:14
http://depositphotos.com/favicon.ico (http://depositphotos.com/favicon.ico)
favicons are almost always domain.com/favicon.ico or .png or .gif

For everything else, there's "View Source"
Usually "View"/"Page Source" in firefox, ir CTRL-U

All you need after that is to choose a login page, an open page, and the tricky bit: write the regex :)
:)
Title: Re: PicNiche info required
Post by: Stu49 on February 10, 2010, 11:23
[url]http://depositphotos.com/favicon.ico[/url] ([url]http://depositphotos.com/favicon.ico[/url])
favicons are almost always domain.com/favicon.ico or .png or .gif

For everything else, there's "View Source"
Usually "View"/"Page Source" in firefox, ir CTRL-U

All you need after that is to choose a login page, an open page, and the tricky bit: write the regex :)
:)


Found the icon by trial and error ;)  and forgot all about view source !  :-[

Ok, here goes !!   ;D
Title: Re: PicNiche info required
Post by: Stu49 on February 10, 2010, 15:26
The total on the left doesn't change when u add new polls then !? 

It only totals the main existing ones, which u provided !!  ;)
Title: Re: PicNiche info required
Post by: Stu49 on February 11, 2010, 08:19
Any way to Remove the polls from my list, if I decide not to keep and use them ??

p.s.  looks I like I now have a share in a Polish (?) website !?  ;)

Title: Re: PicNiche info required
Post by: tamasvargyasi on February 11, 2010, 09:25
The total on the left doesn't change when u add new polls then !? 

It only totals the main existing ones, which u provided !!  ;)


He is right, the total amount is only counting for the main sites only.
Title: Re: PicNiche info required
Post by: bobbigmac on February 11, 2010, 11:24
Aye it's not including the custom pollers in the total value on the refresh button yet, as I'll have to add into the preferences the ability to select which ones you'd like to include, and then validate that they are in fact numbers :)
You can disable buttons on the toolbar by using the checkbox for the custom poller entry, or if you'd like to remove it completely: Ctrl-Shift click (Cmd-Shift on mac) on the Edit button for that poll.
Title: Re: PicNiche info required
Post by: Stu49 on February 11, 2010, 11:48
Aye it's not including the custom pollers in the total value on the refresh button yet, as I'll have to add into the preferences the ability to select which ones you'd like to include, and then validate that they are in fact numbers :)
You can disable buttons on the toolbar by using the checkbox for the custom poller entry, or if you'd like to remove it completely: Ctrl-Shift click (Cmd-Shift on mac) on the Edit button for that poll.

'Ctrl-Shift click' on the EDIT button, that should be !!

Knew I'd seen it somewhere, must have been in your blog :)
Title: Re: PicNiche info required
Post by: bobbigmac on February 11, 2010, 11:57
Probably :)
I have general rules of thumb for things where there isn't room in the interface for a specific button to a function.


I always try and avoid using Alt as most OSes use it for something system-wide and it's position close to the space-bar makes it unnatural to reach (one of the main reasons I don't like my Macbook is because of the Cmd button placement). :)
If you need to do something, and there isn't a button for it, try mousing over other buttons. If it's still not there, let me know and I'll add it :D

Title: Re: PicNiche info required
Post by: goldenangel on February 12, 2010, 14:14
The last update of PicNiche  is really great! Thank you, bobbigmac and contributors who made the custom pollers! :)