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General Stock Discussion / Re: Cavan Images
« on: January 15, 2018, 09:11 »
Hi Cersei, like you I got my rejection from Stocksy last week after 3+ months of waiting and applied to Cavan and got accepted within 24 hours but I have not yet uploaded any images. I also applied to Offset and I am waiting on a response. I was hoping to get a golden ticket from Stocksy but  :'(. I have images with one Australian stock company so I am now trying to branch out.

Hello Michelle, I'm so sorry about your Stocksy rejection, but I hope that somehow they did it for the right reasons both with you and me. I believe they know their customers really good and it doesn't mean that work won't sell well on some other sites.

Also, it's a good idea to have more options. Cavan and Offset may be similar but some of your images could be rejected by one and not by the other. If it's not a series, you can always try with another agency. I think I might apply to Offset too.

I spent some time searching through Cavan collection and many contributors have really small ports (up to 20 photos). Don't know if these are new contributors or the rejection rate is high ???

My acceptance rate with Cavan is about 40/60. It is very small sample for now but still means they do care about quality. Their keywording system (up to 5 tags, they add more) and in-house editing + fast response... Pretty good first impression!

General Stock Discussion / Re: Cavan Images
« on: January 14, 2018, 17:47 »
So The Question is why someone contribute to Canvan, who sell on Offstock, and not contribute Offset and sell directly?
Maybe on short term could be useful to have a big name/seller (canvan) to sell your stuff, but
At longterm i think it is mouch better to sell directly.
Am i wrong?

True, I thought about Offset. But even if I manage to get accepted (haven't applied yet), Cavan isn't selling only through Offset. Here is a quote from their web page: ''We're proud to be featured in the premium collections at Adobe, Offset, Dissolve, Plainpicture, Amana, Gaopin, Imagine China, Imagefolk, and Alamy''

General Stock Discussion / Re: Cavan Images
« on: January 14, 2018, 14:04 »
They do accept video. They have 3 categories: Cavan Images, Cavan Social and Cavan Motion. The last one, Motion are videos. Images and Social are just differently priced photos

General Stock Discussion / Re: Cavan Images
« on: January 14, 2018, 13:38 »

Thanks. Good to know. They contacted me. I asked for more contributor financial detail but never heard back. Maybe they forgot to respond. Or maybe they're hoping for people who blindly join and submit without asking questions about the contract and rates.

Running some basic numbers here's what I'd guess. So they pay 50% of their cut from Getty which going by standard RF rates is 20%. And when using standard RF prices the max is around $600 or as low as a subscription of pennies. So best case of $600 after 20% is $120. 50% of that is $60 or about 10% of the original selling price. If the sale is subscription then it's 10% of pennies. And it's series exclusive which is at least a bit more flexible than contributor exclusive. Again only guestimates though.

They are reselling images, yes. But I'm already selling for pennies on Shutterstock, so I think this won't do any more harm. Pennies, pennies everywhere...

General Stock Discussion / Re: Cavan Images
« on: January 14, 2018, 13:05 »
I started uploading.. We'll see how it goes :) It's a pity none of their contributors are here. It would be nice to hear if it's working for them

Stocksy / Re: Call To Artists is Open!
« on: January 14, 2018, 12:33 »

Yes, true. Still wondering what they are looking for then... ;)

Many of the Stocksy photographers having not that distinctive Stocksy look have a more pleasing look - well, at least to me - so it makes me wonder why it takes so long to accept new members then. But well, I should probably just stop thinking about it completely. But I put a lot of effort in choosing the right images for my application so of course it matters to me. And makes me reconsider my selection  ::)

I am thinking about that too. Picking images for the application is the most important part. And I think it is changing over the years, just like cobalt mentioned. You have to be one step in front of most of the others and it's hard when there aren't many places left to fill in.

I believe Stocksy has the leading role here. They know their market so good, it feels like they dictate it for other macro agencies. At least that's what I would say as a buyer searching through their and others' collections.

It will be interesting to see the work of accepted contributors in this round

Stocksy / Re: Call To Artists is Open!
« on: January 14, 2018, 12:08 »
Well my application was complete Sept 21 and still no word.

No rules. Some applied after me, got rejected before. Waiting can go from a month, two, three.. But as long as you wait, that's a good sign! ;)

Stocksy / Re: Call To Artists is Open!
« on: January 14, 2018, 09:23 »

so when exactly?
half october?

My application was complete on September 29th. Got rejected on Thursday, four days ago

Stocksy / Re: Call To Artists is Open!
« on: January 14, 2018, 09:22 »
so when exactly?
half october?

My application was complete on September 29th. Got rejected on Thursday, four days ago

Stocksy / Re: Call To Artists is Open!
« on: January 14, 2018, 09:19 »
Thank you!

I am developing a new workshop that can be attended by anyone in Cologne, instead of just the students of  Fotoakademie.

So the questions here are helping me a lot with preparing the workshop.


If you are in Germany, it will be a two day workshop focussing on finding a very personal strategy in micro/macrostock. Trying to find a path in all the very confusing options.

Ill show real results from my own sales, explain the differences of macro and micro, explain current trends and themes and will try to give a very realistic idea of how much time you need to invest to establish a reliable income.

When you start out in stock there is so much to learn, but the situation of the professional photographer who wants to do stock between assignments is very different from the amateur who likes to go on holidays and wants some money for gear. or maybe a pensioner who loves photography and wants to build up a steady income stream and then pass along the portfolios to the family. Build up passive income. Or the creative artist who is looking for additional income instead of print and gallery sales.

The confusion about how the stock market works is extremly frustrating. So I hope I can help with that.

(ETA: sorry for the little self promo )

Wow, this sounds interesting. Confusing me every day when I see which photos were sold. Some of them were predictable, but some are really crazy. How can I find out more details about this? Please make a new thread so I don't have to bother you with pm  :D

Stocksy / Re: Call To Artists is Open!
« on: January 14, 2018, 09:12 »
Are you kidding?   :-\  I love your work and I could totally see it on Stocksy...I don't really get what they are looking for! One day (I think) I can see the typical Stocksy-style but then I discover some work on their site that doesn't look like their style AT ALL!

I think my portfolio problem was obvious, no people in it lol! Just kidding. It would be really nice to get some kind of feedback, but i understand they have too many applications to go through and it would take their time away.

But it's been almost 3,5 months so the waiting got me a bit excited too early ;D corinna, I hope you didn't get the rejection yet. It would be nice to have someone from forum get in!  ;)

Stocksy / Re: Call To Artists is Open!
« on: January 14, 2018, 08:52 »

I just the expected generic rejection. Oh well...  ::)

Rejection arrived here too :(

cobalt, greats posts, love the micro-macro differences part!

General Stock Discussion / Re: Cavan Images
« on: January 10, 2018, 15:56 »
I wouldn't call it just macro. They have Cavan Social collection with photos for $100.

Looks like I'll have to get in that facebook group and ask for more info there.

Thanks everyone for your time. It's easier to think clear when you have more than one brain ;D

General Stock Discussion / Re: Cavan Images
« on: January 10, 2018, 10:51 »
there is a list of contributor...i say 500/1000.

You're right, I missed that. Would say closer to 1000, so similar numbers like Stocksy :)

General Stock Discussion / Re: Cavan Images
« on: January 10, 2018, 10:39 »
Totally agree. They have 48432 pictures in their port on Offset account. Not sure if those are all images from their Cavan site or just a part of it. It would be useful to know how big is their contributor community so we can get a better picture if it's worth a try. They seem shy about everything, tried to get more info on their facebook, instagram etc. but nothing much there. Just looks nice...

Stocksy / Re: Call To Artists is Open!
« on: January 10, 2018, 08:24 »
We have a new Cavan thread in general discussion now... Sorry everyone for this offtopic mess!


General Stock Discussion / Cavan Images
« on: January 10, 2018, 08:19 »
Hello everyone,

I'm opening this thread as we got lost offtopic where we shouldn't. Didn't know where to put it...

Is anyone here selling with Cavan?

They have an interesting agreement and are series exclusive. They also do all the keywording, you only have to add up to 5 tags. Cavan distributes through other agencies too (Offset e.g.). They pay contributors a 50% royalty.

I applied there out of curiosity and got accepted in less than 24 hours. I think even my Shutterstock application took longer than that...  ;D

Would appreciate any advice!


I'd love to be a part of this project. Sounds awsome. I actually started to write whitepaper for something similar, but eh, Kodak sounds better  ;D 8)

Stocksy / Re: Call To Artists is Open!
« on: January 09, 2018, 17:48 »
Is it difficult to get in Cavan images? Just because I was accapted less than 24 hours..

Looks like Cavan heard we're still waiting for Stocksy and threw a bone ;D We're a bit offtopic here but why isn't there anything about Cavan here on forum? Like it doesn't exist at all

Stocksy / Re: Call To Artists is Open!
« on: January 09, 2018, 08:04 »
How can something that was done years ago be years ahead? If it was such a great business model why was Mstock not strangled at birth?

I think what derek meant to say is that microstock once was similar to macros today: more picky. You didn't need to search for hours to find the image you were looking for. That's not the case today. There are too many pictures and almost none quality control. You can still find really nice photos and great artists there but you will need to scroll a lot. And in today's world where everything needs to be done yesterday, it is almost impossible to think twice about paying more and saving your time. Since my first stock photo purchase on Corbis in 2003., the industry changed a lot. It's not the same and never will be. Let's just hope this time it's on the right path!

Stocksy / Re: Call To Artists is Open!
« on: January 08, 2018, 10:07 »

Congrats! Could you show us a link to your portfolio? Thank you very much!

Chandra, check your inbox ;)

Stocksy / Re: Call To Artists is Open!
« on: January 07, 2018, 18:26 »
It's really weird, I couldn't find anything about Cavan here on forum. So I applied few days ago out of curiosity. Got accepted in 24 hours, lol. Just to remind, still waiting for Stocksy reply, it's been more than 3 months now. Well, happy New Year ;D

Stocksy / Re: Call To Artists is Open!
« on: January 03, 2018, 09:20 »
I'm curious, a hi res image at Cavan is selling for $500, and hi res at Stocksy is $125, and they both offer 50% royalty to the photographer. Considering you're putting the same effort toward your shoot, what would be the advantage to join Stocksy?

The price is not the only issue, Lilulila has a good point, client base is also important. I know we are all contributors here so it may sound tempting to sell one picture for $500 but look at it from the buyers perspective. It would be useful to know this info from someone who's part of Cavan. It may be good alternative but pumping prices doesn't need to work. Cavan seems to know this as they have pricey pics and awarded artists, but also Cavan social category up to $100

Stocksy / Re: Call To Artists is Open!
« on: December 18, 2017, 11:31 »
We know that stocksy receive a huge applicants and only so much quota left for contributors.
I understand they might need some time to sort things out.
But what I dont understand, if they find some shortlist/candidates who already submit, why do they still open the application. On the other hand, if they're still looking for the right contributors to fit their collections, why they dont reject the old applicant first?
I just edit my image submissions and change some images into Non Exclusive and send them to another agency.  Because 3 months is a little too long for those images to wait.

Everyone keeps talking about pictures on hold. It is not what they ask for. We are free to use those images and sell them on other sites while we aren't part of Stocksy yet. All of us who applied should've known that it's a long wait, there are similar threads to this one for the applications before. Nothing weird and nothing new.

@selasasore, are you still waiting? It's been exactly 80 days from my application today, including weekends

Stocksy / Re: Call To Artists is Open!
« on: November 27, 2017, 13:01 »
stocksy is more oriented towards an instagram style made of "real " life situation. if you spend your time analyzing their portfolio u see this, and it's clear that they prefer contributors more oriented toward instagram, a grudge and outdoor lifestyle.
that's why i don't understand many people submitting sending photos who have typical micro stock style to an agency who will never consider them.
they look for some theme different from their portfolio they have now but with characteristic similar to the portfolio, it's simply clear. sending perfect landscape or cityscape you can find in micro stock won't help you in, or photos with strong blue daylight sky, photo of people who look so fake int here pose won't help you neither. even most of the model u see in the photos looks so different from the model u see in micro stock.

I agree. Models in stocksy photos are ''normal'' people, more like your grandma or neighbour, not people that are generally considered being models

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