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Shutterstock.com / Speed...
« on: March 16, 2007, 03:51 »
I know I have only been uploading to SS for a week or so.  But so far the speed of the thing is surprising me.  I heard so many stories about huge rejection rates etc etc.  Yet they are accepting almost all of my images and approving within hours.  This surprises me - its not what I expected.  Huge numbers of downloads too.  How can they accept so many images so quickly?

It took me six weeks to get 60 images up at IS.  At SS I've got 80 in six or seven days.

Does SS publish a waiting list etc like some of the other agencies do?

127
Dreamstime.com / Dead?
« on: March 14, 2007, 19:04 »
DT seems to have died over the last few days.  Anyone else getting the same impression?  Or is it just me?

128
iStockPhoto.com / My first EL at IS...
« on: March 12, 2007, 23:12 »
Well, having uploaded my first picture to IS on Feb 5th, I've now got my first EL overnight, generating a commission of $10.

Although nice to have the $10, it is somewhat galling that someone now has the right to print 500,000 copies of my picture and all I get for my hard work is a measly $10.

Still, I suppose that without IS I would not be selling pictures anyway.

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General Stock Discussion / Asset values and cash flow
« on: March 07, 2007, 03:44 »
Looking at some of the most popular contributors to iStock (where I can see statistics) it seems to me that the expected 'value' of a good quality commercial photo is about $40 over a three year period.

The top supplier has about 5,000 images for 450,000 downloads.  This suggests a value of about $90.  But if we take the average portfolio size over the three years, the number comes out at nearer $180.  An exceptional case probably.

Looking at lesser mortals I see others with 7,000 pics for 250,000 downloads, and 3,000 pics for 100,000 downloads.  These work out at $35, $33 and $70, $66.

Of course there is a difference between what a picture CAN generate and the actual day to day cash flow.  Therein lies the rub.

But it seems to me that if I can spend a few days producing say 20 good quality commercial photos, I can assume that, on average, that work will earn me between $700 and $1400 over three years.  Or between $233 and $466 per annum.  In other words, a project to produce at that rate consistently each week should produce an annual income of between $12116 and $24232.

On the face of it, that clearly isn't enough to survive.

However, the calculation has to be compounded, of course.  $12116 and $24232 apply in year one.  The numbers are double in year two.  And triple in year three.  So by the end of year three the annual income is between $36348 and $72696.

Those are better numbers.

What do people here believe is the average 'value' of the shots they produce, over say a three year period?  And does anyone have specific numbers they can share?

130
General Stock Discussion / Economics...
« on: February 24, 2007, 16:27 »
From a business planning point of view, what do people here think is the shelf life of photos uploaded today?  Three years?  Five years?

Given that three years ago the best pro cameras were 4mp and now almost anyone can shoot 10mp, does anyone believe that photos taken today will 'expire' because of advances in technology?

The reason I ask is that I want to work out a net present value formula, and I need a time span for that.


131
iStockPhoto.com / Site problems....?
« on: February 20, 2007, 22:41 »
Anyone else having great difficulties with the IS web site today?

Or is it just me...?

132
Photo Critique / Noise
« on: February 16, 2007, 03:32 »
I used a Canon 350D for a couple of years then changed to a Nikon D200 last July.  Snapped away quite happily and thought nothing more until my snaps got rejected by the microstocks (SS and IS).  Not quite sure why they wer rejected, by the rejection made me concentrate hard on getting the best results possible from my D200.

Many people elsewhere complain about noise from the D200.  Many people on these threads have commented on noise, using Neat Image etc in an effort to get through the inspectors.

One of the things I have discovered with my D200 is that correct exposure eliminates all the noise.  And I mean exactly correct, not approximate.

I spent many days experimenting.  And I started doing something I had never done before - using the histogram.  I discovered that 'correct' exposure could be obtained only when the white highlights were edging on the histogram upper limit (edging, not touching).  Automatic exposure never achieved that.  As a result, all of the fifty odd pictures I have taken in the last week have been manual exposure only.

Using manual exposure with the histogram as a guide prodices simply excellent results on my D200, using RAW.

Here is a picture of a prawn I took last weekend using exactly this technique.  All I have done is convert to 100% quality jpeg in ACR.  No other changes have been made in ACR.  Then, I have applied a very small amount of additional contrast and saturation simply to compensate for the softness of the filter in the camera.  Lastly, a miniscule amount of USM (and I mean miniscule).

No other processing.  No noise reduction needed.  There is simply no noise.

Here's the file:

http://www.pbase.com/hatman/image/74432460/original

Anyway, it works for me and my D200.  Perhaps others can try this approach with their cameras.

133
Dreamstime.com / Got my first sale.....
« on: February 08, 2007, 15:22 »
Well I'm pleased to see I got a sale at Dreamstime.  First Microstock sale ever.  Still, I only joined on 6th Feb.....

I now have a massive account balance of US 50c!  Hmmm..... difficult to decide what to spend that on......

Same series of 'Yellow Umbrella' images were uploaded to the top five so I'll be interested to monitor what happens.

All very exciting.....

134
iStockPhoto.com / Got accepted..
« on: February 05, 2007, 15:32 »
Good morning from Australia.

Well I got accepted by iStock on my second attempt.  Now got to start uploading and getting used to the different keywording, disambiguation requirements etc.  Will be interesting.

Whatever the inconvenience, iStock does appear to have the customers - looking at the top downloads shows images that attract up to 1,000 downloads in a month, and over 2,000 in three months.  The absolute top selling images are above 4,000 downloads.  I have not seen anything like those numbers elsewhere.

As a newbie I am limited in uploads to '15 in each 168 hour period'.  Hmmm... that's very restrictive and pales beside the accommodating attitude of Fotolia.  But then I don't believe FT's image numbers, and I don't think they get anything like the sales...... it's chicken and egg stuff.

Here's thre welcome note from iStock: "Welcome to iStockphoto.com, the designer's dirty little secret. Congratulations, the iStockphoto administrators have determined that your images are commercially and technically ready for iStockphoto.com. Please begin uploading at your convenience. There is currently a limit of 15 uploads per 168 hour period."

Still, I'm glad to be on board at iStock.  Now got to make it work...... doh.....

135
General Stock Discussion / The future of stock photography.....
« on: February 02, 2007, 20:26 »
As a newbie to stock photography (but not to photography or to business growth models) and having spent a lot of time over the last month researching the market and reading/listening to views such as those expressed in these forums, this is my view of the future:

Each new agency wants to get as many images on file as quickly as possible.  Yes, they would like the best quality, but in the early years may have to sacrifice quality for quantity.  That makes it easy for 'new' photographers to 'sign up'.

But as their libraries grow, I believe the market will change from 'quantity' to 'quality'; the successful stock agencies will be able to become more and more selective, and the best of them will start to reject many more photos.

Gaining membership as a contributing photographer will become more difficult at these successful agencies, and the 'new' or lower quality photographer will find himself/herself being restricted to the 'lesser' agencies'.

Because of this, higher quality photographers will gravitate towards the successful agencies, and be gradually paid more for doing so, through exclusivity deals etc etc.  A price gap will emerge between the 'best' and the 'not so best'.

I believe IS is already nearing this development stage, which is why many are finding acceptance of images more 'difficult' than elsewhere.  SS may also be nearing this stage.

As with all business models, eventually the market will become dominated by just a few players, with most of the 'new' start-ups and lesser quality agencies falling by the wayside.  At the moment everything is new and exciting, and new agencies are popping up everywhere.

My own view is that in the longer term it will be important eventually to align oneself with one of the big agencies, probably on an exclusive arrangement.


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Adobe Stock / Fotolia
« on: February 01, 2007, 20:18 »
Hi

I am a new 'observer' of the microstock market and have perused these forums quite a lot, just gathering views and information.

Fotolia have just started to accept my images.

However, the number of downloads shown for their top sellling images doesn't seem to square with their claims of 2 million images, biggest agency etc etc.

Perhaps I am missing something, but I go to Fotolia and see top downloads of say 300 for 'beach', then do the same search at SS or IS and find two or three thousand downloads for their top selling images.

It seems that there are so many agencies competing for a slice of this market that statistics they publish need to be taken with a pinch of salt.

At the end of the day, to make money a photographer must be with an agency that has the power to SELL, and to sell in quantity.  My research of Fotolia suggests that sales there are very small.

Anyone have an opinion on this?

Hatman (Australia)

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