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« Reply #150 on: November 13, 2017, 04:27 »
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rate pictures by aesthetics for that you need humans. And if you dont currate the buyer will not find images he is looking for.
Searchengine and currating will be the main challenge for WiredStock.


which turns them into another agency. taking decisions on what to sell away from sellers defeats the purpose of p2p. What the main challenge will be is maintaining the prices even at those levels they are today.

We would see but fact is that blockchain can reduce the administrative costs drastically. And if we contributors use that weapon before the angencies do that strongest our market position.

your own site can reduce administrative costs drastically. Administrative costs isn't the problem.

but iam then alone and i have costs for licenses payment webspace etc.... If you have Wiredstock with a global landingpage an standardized payment/license/searchengine etc. that would be a better buyer experience.


« Reply #151 on: November 13, 2017, 04:31 »
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yes but iam then alone and i have costs for licenses payment webspace etc.... If you have Wiredstock with a global landingpage an standardized payment/license/searchengine etc. that would be a better buyer experience.

we'll see, but there is more than one thing that makes me extremely skeptical. Right now I think this is the only thing that all this is about (from the wirestock manifesto)

"Initial Token Crowdsale: April 2018
Main Crowdsale Event: May 2018"

« Reply #152 on: November 13, 2017, 07:13 »
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but iam then alone and i have costs for licenses payment webspace etc.... If you have Wiredstock with a global landingpage an standardized payment/license/searchengine etc. that would be a better buyer experience.

I'm sorry.  Doesn't the buzzword p2p mean you are alone?  Dealing directly with others?  So you bear your own costs?  Otherwise where is all this content hosted?  Because if it's just a global landing page with payment, license, search engine, that makes it an agency.  With a made up currency.

« Reply #153 on: November 13, 2017, 08:31 »
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but iam then alone and i have costs for licenses payment webspace etc.... If you have Wiredstock with a global landingpage an standardized payment/license/searchengine etc. that would be a better buyer experience.

I'm sorry.  Doesn't the buzzword p2p mean you are alone?  Dealing directly with others?  So you bear your own costs?  Otherwise where is all this content hosted?  Because if it's just a global landing page with payment, license, search engine, that makes it an agency.  With a made up currency.
You can call as you want.
Important is that this blockchain-platform is not so expensive like the agencies today are.

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« Reply #154 on: November 13, 2017, 09:02 »
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Well, that depends on how you define 'expensive'. Maybe the 'cost price', but cost prices can be the same with very different prices for users or customers. Like how Pond5 can give you two and a half times more than iStock... are iStock's running costs really two and a half times more than Pond5?

Even ignoring the costs for a similar setup, what about the costs for a very different setup. Zero expense passed on to buyers and contributors is great, but zero marketing is not great.

It's still too early to be excited about this idea. Maybe it's a bit too early to be anti-excited about this idea... but still. If these magical beans are $10 for a few thousand then I might pick up a few dozen and see what happens.   

« Reply #155 on: November 13, 2017, 09:14 »
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but iam then alone and i have costs for licenses payment webspace etc.... If you have Wiredstock with a global landingpage an standardized payment/license/searchengine etc. that would be a better buyer experience.

I'm sorry.  Doesn't the buzzword p2p mean you are alone?  Dealing directly with others?  So you bear your own costs?  Otherwise where is all this content hosted?  Because if it's just a global landing page with payment, license, search engine, that makes it an agency.  With a made up currency.
You can call as you want.
Important is that this blockchain-platform is not so expensive like the agencies today are.

Why not?

« Reply #156 on: November 13, 2017, 09:19 »
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If these magical beans are $10 for a few thousand then I might pick up a few dozen and see what happens.

Only if paid for with cash. I'd think twice before using a credit card to buy magic beans.

« Reply #157 on: November 13, 2017, 09:31 »
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Two words. Mar. Keting. Finding a platform isn't a problem, the aforementioned two words are.

The next words, who reviews submissions? If you don't have standards, you are just creating a cesspool instead of a photo pool. Somebody here also created his own site, a very good effort. He only took well established people to start. For some reason that shut down. I don't know if it was expense or lack of sales income to support the costs of running a site. Jo Ann was one on there I think?

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« Reply #158 on: November 13, 2017, 09:37 »
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If these magical beans are $10 for a few thousand then I might pick up a few dozen and see what happens.

Only if paid for with cash. I'd think twice before using a credit card to buy magic beans.

I'll trade in my Bhagavad Gita Coins for some.

« Reply #159 on: November 13, 2017, 09:48 »
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If these magical beans are $10 for a few thousand then I might pick up a few dozen and see what happens.

Only if paid for with cash. I'd think twice before using a credit card to buy magic beans.

I'll trade in my Bhagavad Gita Coins for some.

That's a very good idea  :). I should have spiritual trinkets of my own production stashed away somewhere.

« Reply #160 on: November 13, 2017, 09:57 »
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Two words. Mar. Keting. Finding a platform isn't a problem, the aforementioned two words are.

The next words, who reviews submissions? If you don't have standards, you are just creating a cesspool instead of a photo pool. Somebody here also created his own site, a very good effort. He only took well established people to start. For some reason that shut down. I don't know if it was expense or lack of sales income to support the costs of running a site. Jo Ann was one on there I think?

Was it Symbiostock that was mentioned earlier?

« Reply #161 on: November 13, 2017, 10:27 »
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but iam then alone and i have costs for licenses payment webspace etc.... If you have Wiredstock with a global landingpage an standardized payment/license/searchengine etc. that would be a better buyer experience.

I'm sorry.  Doesn't the buzzword p2p mean you are alone?  Dealing directly with others?  So you bear your own costs?  Otherwise where is all this content hosted?  Because if it's just a global landing page with payment, license, search engine, that makes it an agency.  With a made up currency.
You can call as you want.
Important is that this blockchain-platform is not so expensive like the agencies today are.

Why not?
I don't think its the platform that makes agencies "expensive"  :o.

« Reply #162 on: November 13, 2017, 10:32 »
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Maybe I haven't spotted it but is there anything about what advantage there is to buyers in using this "service" ?

« Reply #163 on: November 13, 2017, 11:06 »
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but iam then alone and i have costs for licenses payment webspace etc.... If you have Wiredstock with a global landingpage an standardized payment/license/searchengine etc. that would be a better buyer experience.



I'm sorry.  Doesn't the buzzword p2p mean you are alone?  Dealing directly with others?  So you bear your own costs?  Otherwise where is all this content hosted?  Because if it's just a global landing page with payment, license, search engine, that makes it an agency.  With a made up currency.
You can call as you want.
Important is that this blockchain-platform is not so expensive like the agencies today are.

Why not?

i want more than 15-35% from the sale price.

« Reply #164 on: November 13, 2017, 11:09 »
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Well, that depends on how you define 'expensive'. Maybe the 'cost price', but cost prices can be the same with very different prices for users or customers. Like how Pond5 can give you two and a half times more than iStock... are iStock's running costs really two and a half times more than Pond5?

Even ignoring the costs for a similar setup, what about the costs for a very different setup. Zero expense passed on to buyers and contributors is great, but zero marketing is not great.

It's still too early to be excited about this idea. Maybe it's a bit too early to be anti-excited about this idea... but still. If these magical beans are $10 for a few thousand then I might pick up a few dozen and see what happens.

for me as contributor a agencie is expensive if i eran less than 50% from sales price.

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« Reply #165 on: November 13, 2017, 11:41 »
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Yeah, but you can't go on the percentage cut alone. I'll take 1% even if I only get one HD sale a month but it's priced at $1m, and I'll take 10% of a $1 HD clip if I sell 100k of them a month... but I'm not that interested in getting 90% of a $100 clip if I only get one sale a month.
« Last Edit: November 13, 2017, 14:22 by SpaceStockFootage »

« Reply #166 on: November 13, 2017, 11:50 »
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i want more than 15-35% from the sale price.

I'd like a unicorn.  But I realize that a real agency requires money to market, host, etc.  I'm not seeing where's there's any benefit here, aside from the cool buzzword blockchain.

« Reply #167 on: November 13, 2017, 12:06 »
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Well, that depends on how you define 'expensive'. Maybe the 'cost price', but cost prices can be the same with very different prices for users or customers. Like how Pond5 can give you two and a half times more than iStock... are iStock's running costs really two and a half times more than Pond5?

Even ignoring the costs for a similar setup, what about the costs for a very different setup. Zero expense passed on to buyers and contributors is great, but zero marketing is not great.

It's still too early to be excited about this idea. Maybe it's a bit too early to be anti-excited about this idea... but still. If these magical beans are $10 for a few thousand then I might pick up a few dozen and see what happens.

for me as contributor a agencie is expensive if i eran less than 50% from sales price.
Lots of sites offer more...trouble is not many buyers have  heard of them

« Reply #168 on: November 13, 2017, 13:14 »
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i want more than 15-35% from the sale price.

I'd like a unicorn.  But I realize that a real agency requires money to market, host, etc.  I'm not seeing where's there's any benefit here, aside from the cool buzzword blockchain.

i think blockchain is more than a soundword. This technology has potential to change the whole it/banking sector.

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« Reply #169 on: November 13, 2017, 14:23 »
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Maybe, but what benefits does it offer buyers?

« Reply #170 on: November 13, 2017, 15:16 »
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Holy *.  Greed is greed. Block chain, blockhead, who cares.  If this were to take off it would HAVE TO BE RUN AS A CO OP in addition the being able to attract customers, in addition to having a differentiation for UE and enough content that attracts demand without having to sift through a billion similars, some of which is trash.....so how do you curate a blockchain site that offers content worth switching to for a customer, and how do you attract contributors and keep them happy by attracting business? Technology alone is only one small part of a successful model. If ss were to engage in blockchain do you think they would magically raise their commissions because they cut their costs? Not only no but fk no. So the only way to win is what i pointed out above and that is a lot to ask for.

« Reply #171 on: November 14, 2017, 10:29 »
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Two words. Mar. Keting. Finding a platform isn't a problem, the aforementioned two words are.


The next words, who reviews submissions? If you don't have standards, you are just creating a cesspool instead of a photo pool. Somebody here also created his own site, a very good effort. He only took well established people to start. For some reason that shut down. I don't know if it was expense or lack of sales income to support the costs of running a site. Jo Ann was one on there I think?


Was it Symbiostock that was mentioned earlier?


Found it, no it was apparently Ktools site. I want to say right off, he did try and had good people with proven records in Microstock. It was called warmpics. I don't know why the site failed. Maybe it didn't and he just shut down because it was too much work? But we see these threads over and over about how someone should start a site or how we could do this or that, and by the way, my answer is a co-op, which is what Stocksy did but with much more backing and business smarts.

Well it depends on the definition you choose for coop. Are there 40+ owners? No, but that is by choice. I offered anyone who wanted to have a role running the site (SEO, blogging, graphic design, management, etc) a commission of 90%, which after credit card transaction costs would essentially be 100% of all their sales. At one point I also talked with the members about co-ownership, and profit sharing.One person took me up on the offer to help me with management/promotion.

So yes, I pay all the bills and run a few ads out of pocket too. But no major decision gets made without the rest of the members approving. For instance, we changed price tiers and licensing terms several times and always talked about it in the members forum. We implemented a pseudo subscription plan too, and that was also talked about. Technically it is my site, but I do everything with "coop" in mind. I'm still waiting to see a true coop, and ours could become one if people showed the interest.


From what I read on the forum, I wasn't a member, there were some people that did well. I suspect one was Lisafx or Karen or Jo Ann? There was somewhat of a problem of animosity because some people got in and others wanted to but had to be accepted by the already in members. Maybe not a bad idea?  :) This goes back to who's going to do the reviews question, and the answer there was, self review, established artists. Also not a bad idea. He said that originally people were accepted based on sales history.

I think djpadavona  had a good plan and avoided many of the pitfalls of starting a new little agency. He hasn't been here to visit in a few years.

Read here Feb 2013: http://www.microstockgroup.com/selling-direct/warmpicture-project-finished/msg299913/#msg299913

As I have been getting a lot of interest from contributors wanting to join Warmpicture lately, I wanted to announce that unfortunately I will be closing the site down in the near future.

The last 2 years have been extremely frustrating, culminating with the Google Images reorganization from last month which took away over 70% of our organic traffic. Ultimately there are no excuses. I did my best, but I was in over my head trying to run an agency on my own. We made a little money for contributors but in the end it just wasn't enough to be worthwhile.

My goal was to establish a solid sales base, and then open the doors to more contributors. Unfortunately I never achieved that goal. I wish everyone luck in their own ventures. I truly hoped to make a difference for all of us, but the project fell way short of expectations.


dpstockphoto's symbiostock site and the warmpictures.com are both gone. Yes after closing warmpics he went hard at making symbiostock work.

I'd say if we're looking for the person to ask about starting a small co-op or members only site he would be the one. He didn't write ideas on the forum, he did it! That means utmost respect for someone who actually did what most of us just talk about. Maybe he'll come back some day and explain what happened and how to make a better attempt.

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« Reply #172 on: November 15, 2017, 18:32 »
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i participated in warmpictures too - biggest problem was no sales and Dan eventually had to close it down -- today the problem would be even harder - with google images  it's near impossible to get any individual noticed, so most potential users would never even be aware a co-op site existed!  what google doesnt capture would be swamped by the agencies.  the market is now mature, and a new site is not going to bee able to survive without a radical new thinking -

s

« Reply #173 on: November 16, 2017, 01:51 »
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The next words, who reviews submissions? If you don't have standards, you are just creating a cesspool instead of a photo pool.

Best line I've read all day.

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« Reply #174 on: November 16, 2017, 06:13 »
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Just stumbled across this thing...

https://mcfly.aero/token/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=sido_10per&utm_content=carusel_1&utm_campaign=pre_lounge

...which made me think of this thread. Cryptos... fair enough. Flying taxis... sure. But I'm still not quite getting how cryptos combined with flying cars will be so much better than either on their own. And I think they're being a bit optimistic on the market value for flying taxis. It says $1.2 trillion. That may be true many, many years in the future, but that's 8 times more than the current market for taxis... including Uber and all those type of things. It's not much less than the global market for cars!

 



 

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