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« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2019, 20:05 »
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I had missed this story when it ran yesterday touting Shutterstock's new ad campaign

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/its-not-stock-its-shutterstock-new-ad-campaign-aims-to-inspire-the-world-with-stock-300775313.html

https://www.shutterstock.com/blog/why-shutterstock-is-more-than-stock

http://www.bandt.com.au/marketing/not-stock-shutterstock-unveils-first-brand-campaign-six-years

Off to shoot some animals in business attire and paint stripes on a shaved kitty . . .
Finally the ad I need to show my boyfriend to let me use our 'shaved' cat for this

ShadySue

« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2019, 20:13 »
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... paint stripes on a shaved kitty . . .
to look like a sphynx cat?!

I remember years ago seeing someone had taken an animal head cut out of one of my wildlife pics and stuck into a Victorian or prairie dress for an ad. I thought it looked stupid then, and that dog looks almost as daft.  ::)

« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2019, 20:16 »
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I guess it is good to know that even though "creative professionals are busy, but they never let their standards slip."

I'm not sure what SS's excuse is.

I guess I'd rather buyers go there than IS.

« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2019, 22:08 »
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I guess I'd rather buyers go there than IS.

Small comfort, but true.

« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2019, 22:48 »
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Boy, are buyers going to be pi$$ed when they see these ads, think they are going to a professional site, then on the first search they have to wade through thousands of crap similars. What a waste of shutterstocks money. They should have used the $ to clean up the site.

« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2019, 02:30 »
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Boy, are buyers going to be pi$$ed when they see these ads, think they are going to a professional site, then on the first search they have to wade through thousands of crap similars. What a waste of shutterstocks money. They should have used the $ to clean up the site.

I guess they rely on the artificial intelligence in the search. Instead of editors do decide which image to take, the buyers will decide directly with their behavior. I'm not sure my new quality images are seen from the buyers. There are maybe 100 million images which can be cleaned up fast with just one glance in a second. I would love to see contributors ranks on Shutterstock(on public).

« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2019, 02:44 »
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then on the first search they have to wade through thousands of crap similars.
On the first search they would get "Most Relevant" tab results which actually are quite good if you compare it with any other agency. You are correct about "Fresh content" though, it's just sad.

« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2019, 02:48 »
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I can't help thinking many customers are "Taking another look" at the reality of what Shutterstock have to offer and taking their custom elsewhere. For those of us in the UK we also know the slogan is a blatant rip off of failing institution Marks and Spencer "It's not just food its M&S food".
« Last Edit: January 11, 2019, 02:52 by Pauws99 »

fotorob

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« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2019, 02:54 »
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Wasn't Shutterstock the agency that forbids images of animal in clothing, even if they are only photoshopped?
https://www.peta.org/blog/shutterstock-bans-unnatural-primate-stock-photos/


And now they make ads with dogs in suits?

« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2019, 03:31 »
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Wasn't Shutterstock the agency that forbids images of animal in clothing, even if they are only photoshopped?
https://www.peta.org/blog/shutterstock-bans-unnatural-primate-stock-photos/


And now they make ads with dogs in suits?

Publicity aka free promotion.

« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2019, 03:54 »
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What makes me laugh is that Graeme Allister can't even tidy his collar up for a corporate head shot what a great presentation  ;D

https://www.shutterstock.com/blog/why-shutterstock-is-more-than-stock

This company is a joke  :'(

« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2019, 04:09 »
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What makes me laugh is that Graeme Allister can't even tidy his collar up for a corporate head shot what a great presentation  ;D

https://www.shutterstock.com/blog/why-shutterstock-is-more-than-stock

This company is a joke  :'(
Thats a good example of what SS consider "high quality" at least he doesn't have the almost compulsory hipster beard!

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« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2019, 04:26 »
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Well, at least they advertise their stuff. The slogan is kind of lame, I mean "meowstock"? Come on. But the animal photos are nice.

« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2019, 05:26 »
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probably they are wrong...better say...2 it's shutter subs!"....killed by thief and free image website thats their destiny.

Brasilnut

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« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2019, 06:21 »
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Our campaign is a celebration of the amazing artists who contribute these incredible assets to our platform, and highlights the extraordinary value that they bring to creative endeavours every day.

Guess they're not referring to the complete trash being uploaded on a daily basis and being accepted by a non-existent QC

« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2019, 06:31 »
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my biggest hope even  losing all my monthly income is that all those crap agency close soon and a new era will start....but it's a dream....i think what success would have an agency with the micro stock price, maybe double, and the quality control of stocksy..
i mean buyer are not tired of searching and browsing through millions of craps?
those with good portfolio wouldn't been happier to receive a better % and compete only with good contents and in a database of 5 10 million images?


Shelma1

« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2019, 06:39 »
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Ha ha ha ha the new campaign was created with the help of my old bosss new ad agency. OMG hilarious.

« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2019, 06:40 »
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Our campaign is a celebration of the amazing artists who contribute these incredible assets to our platform, and highlights the extraordinary value that they bring to creative endeavours every day.

Guess they're not referring to the complete trash being uploaded on a daily basis and being accepted by a non-existent QC
Some of the "assets" are incredible literally...but not in a good way! I would be more impressed if they said "Our rigorous QC ensures that only the best is good enough and we refuse 80% of submissions" they just play the sheer numbers game.

« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2019, 07:21 »
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https://www.shutterstock.com/g/toluk?page=200&section=1&sort=newest&search_source=base_gallery&language=hu


shutterstock?...ahahahhahahaha....

http://www.microstock.club/indeximg20180512.phtml?p=111&sort=country

iff you account for ukraine and russian contributor probably they own 60 70% of images uploaded mostly crap....many contributor hide themselves as born in western europe country, look in andorra list most are russian.

http://www.microstock.ru/forum/showthread.php?t=18903&page=31

even russian good contributor complaints about this. and the last message is scaring don't know how to translate correctly but seems like:


"Шаттер решил, чтобы дерьма на сайте было еще больше. Он локализовал на русский интерфейс контрибутера.

Теперь дерьма из России польется в 10 раз больше, в гонку вступают неграмотные разведенки и беременные."

"Shutter decided to crap on the site was even more. It is localized to Russian interface kontributera.
Now the crap out of Russia to pour in 10 times more in the race come illiterate and pregnant razvedenki"

in practice tere is a new interface for russian language, so everybody who don't know english, 99,99% of russian people can now upload using the russian language...good luck to everybody!! soon 1 million new images per week will be a joke, ready to 10 millions new crap for weeks?

ShadySue

« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2019, 07:23 »
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What makes me laugh is that Graeme Allister can't even tidy his collar up for a corporate head shot what a great presentation  ;D

https://www.shutterstock.com/blog/why-shutterstock-is-more-than-stock

This company is a joke  :'(

Looks like he combed his hair with a pillow
Channelling Benedict Cumberbatch.

angelawaye

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« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2019, 07:52 »
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my biggest hope even  losing all my monthly income is that all those crap agency close soon and a new era will start....but it's a dream....i think what success would have an agency with the micro stock price, maybe double, and the quality control of stocksy..
i mean buyer are not tired of searching and browsing through millions of craps?
those with good portfolio wouldn't been happier to receive a better % and compete only with good contents and in a database of 5 10 million images?

I'm really hoping this too. I have so many images ready to be placed somewhere. It's so sad what has happened to shutterstock.

« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2019, 10:22 »
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Boy, are buyers going to be pi$$ed when they see these ads, think they are going to a professional site, then on the first search they have to wade through thousands of crap similars. What a waste of shutterstocks money. They should have used the $ to clean up the site.

Its good if they delete the never sold content of over 5+ years. This will really refresh the library and trash all the crappy and spammy images.

« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2019, 11:02 »
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Boy, are buyers going to be pi$$ed when they see these ads, think they are going to a professional site, then on the first search they have to wade through thousands of crap similars. What a waste of shutterstocks money. They should have used the $ to clean up the site.

Its good if they delete the never sold content of over 5+ years. This will really refresh the library and trash all the crappy and spammy images.
"August 4, 2014 - Shutterstock celebrates 40 million images in it's collection". Theres now 244 million even if 80% never sold its a small fraction. The problem is not what was being accepted then. Its what is accepted now.

« Reply #24 on: January 11, 2019, 11:11 »
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Boy, are buyers going to be pi$$ed when they see these ads, think they are going to a professional site, then on the first search they have to wade through thousands of crap similars. What a waste of shutterstocks money. They should have used the $ to clean up the site.

Its good if they delete the never sold content of over 5+ years. This will really refresh the library and trash all the crappy and spammy images.
"August 4, 2014 - Shutterstock celebrates 40 million images in it's collection". Theres now 244 million even if 80% never sold its a small fraction. The problem is not what was being accepted then. Its what is accepted now.

Yes, they are increasing the numbers forgetting about the quality of content. They should firstly delete all those too old unsold images from library and then apply strict rules for spamming. Like accepting only 2-3 images which are too similar or with very slight variations.

« Reply #25 on: January 11, 2019, 11:32 »
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I can't help thinking many customers are "Taking another look" at the reality of what Shutterstock have to offer and taking their custom elsewhere. For those of us in the UK we also know the slogan is a blatant rip off of failing institution Marks and Spencer "It's not just food its M&S food".

Which was a ripoff of a ripoff of a ripoff, as in being a pretty bland generic, un-creative ad campaign, that normally low-budget customers get from ad agencies. Would not be surprised if it was done in-house.

« Reply #26 on: January 11, 2019, 11:35 »
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Boy, are buyers going to be pi$$ed when they see these ads, think they are going to a professional site, then on the first search they have to wade through thousands of crap similars. What a waste of shutterstocks money. They should have used the $ to clean up the site.

Its good if they delete the never sold content of over 5+ years. This will really refresh the library and trash all the crappy and spammy images.

The spam does not work in the "relevant" settings, and 5+ years old stuff won't show in the fresh content setting, so deleting or leaving them has nothing to do with the spam.


« Reply #27 on: January 11, 2019, 12:43 »
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I wouldn't worry about spam all that much and seemingly SS doesn't as well. In similar manner Google (and anyone else) doesn't worry about anything after page 1.

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #28 on: January 12, 2019, 13:24 »
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Take another look at how easy it is to find those perfect assets. We know that creative professionals are busy, but they never let their standards slip. Thats why weve developed our own search technology so users can find the perfect asset every time.

Ow, Ow, Ow... Woo Hoo, the perfect asset search.




« Reply #31 on: January 14, 2019, 10:44 »
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by the way how is youjanuary....?


last year was my best month an so far i had more than 350 download in ss and near 120 in istock....we are at 120 in ss and 21 in stock.....everything is falling down seems.
i thought   holiday were still on till last weekend but today is still pretty slow, practically only best seller with good position sells. don't know what to thug but i had other hopes for this 2019


and in that 350 there were two 79 dollar a bunch of 44....now the max is a bunch of 2,85 the rest subs....
for me those unsplash and pixel free are simply killing this business.

« Reply #32 on: January 14, 2019, 10:53 »
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by the way how is youjanuary....?


last year was my best month an so far i had more than 350 download in ss and near 120 in istock....we are at 120 in ss and 21 in stock.....everything is falling down seems.
i thought   holiday were still on till last weekend but today is still pretty slow, practically only best seller with good position sells. don't know what to thug but i had other hopes for this 2019


and in that 350 there were two 79 dollar a bunch of 44....now the max is a bunch of 2,85 the rest subs....
for me those unsplash and pixel free are simply killing this business.
BTW why those websites exist? Like who pay for those to exist?

My January is going okay.

« Reply #33 on: January 14, 2019, 11:06 »
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by the way how is youjanuary....?


last year was my best month an so far i had more than 350 download in ss and near 120 in istock....we are at 120 in ss and 21 in stock.....everything is falling down seems.
i thought   holiday were still on till last weekend but today is still pretty slow, practically only best seller with good position sells. don't know what to thug but i had other hopes for this 2019


and in that 350 there were two 79 dollar a bunch of 44....now the max is a bunch of 2,85 the rest subs....
for me those unsplash and pixel free are simply killing this business.
BTW why those websites exist? Like who pay for those to exist?

My January is going okay.

actually i don't understand but  i didn't understand for example what's up...sold for billions with earning practically near null..

« Reply #34 on: January 15, 2019, 17:53 »
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shutterstock is a site ruined by idiots for idiots...
last example...

i am doing for a blog of food mine a series of recipes   where i start from ingredients photo every step and the final result in different angle...similar background.iif i click on one of the images of the series, despite uploaded at the same time and with similar title, the images that appears under as similar are totally ..g different images , not the other one who could have a market, no...they don't appear...i mean , is this not so idiot?
even the so criticized stock do this....stocksy do this..only this pathetic company with capped sales just to please a bit everybody who uploads cats and trees photos.
i decide not to do a composite so to force those interested in buying all images of the series and make the composite.. totally useless.


one photo series is about a dessert, very popular at the moment..under most photos there are photos, ugly mostly snapshots, of fishes cut in half on a cutboard...similar image...si..milllaaar..images?
« Last Edit: January 15, 2019, 17:56 by jonbull »

« Reply #35 on: January 16, 2019, 01:36 »
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by the way how is youjanuary....?


last year was my best month an so far i had more than 350 download in ss and near 120 in istock....we are at 120 in ss and 21 in stock.....everything is falling down seems.
i thought   holiday were still on till last weekend but today is still pretty slow, practically only best seller with good position sells. don't know what to thug but i had other hopes for this 2019


and in that 350 there were two 79 dollar a bunch of 44....now the max is a bunch of 2,85 the rest subs....
for me those unsplash and pixel free are simply killing this business.
BTW why those websites exist? Like who pay for those to exist?

My January is going okay.

actually i don't understand but  i didn't understand for example what's up...sold for billions with earning practically near null..
I assume they are funded from advertising placed on them?

« Reply #36 on: January 16, 2019, 01:45 »
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by the way how is youjanuary....?


last year was my best month an so far i had more than 350 download in ss and near 120 in istock....we are at 120 in ss and 21 in stock.....everything is falling down seems.
i thought   holiday were still on till last weekend but today is still pretty slow, practically only best seller with good position sells. don't know what to thug but i had other hopes for this 2019


and in that 350 there were two 79 dollar a bunch of 44....now the max is a bunch of 2,85 the rest subs....
for me those unsplash and pixel free are simply killing this business.
BTW why those websites exist? Like who pay for those to exist?

My January is going okay.

Well Unsplash is apparently making money from investors, 'building a new economy around photography in blockchain', probably raising more money for themselves and not caring about their community or photography.

https://medium.com/unsplash/we-just-raised-7-25-million-for-unsplash-to-build-a-new-economy-around-photography-cedc8a999239

The other ones with ads on their site I guess.

Wish these spammers with millions of similar background images and irrelevant keywords were also uploading on these free websites, that way people wouldn't be able to find anything and would stop using them.
« Last Edit: January 16, 2019, 01:59 by Not Today »


« Reply #37 on: January 16, 2019, 01:48 »
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by the way how is youjanuary....?


last year was my best month an so far i had more than 350 download in ss and near 120 in istock....we are at 120 in ss and 21 in stock.....everything is falling down seems.
i thought   holiday were still on till last weekend but today is still pretty slow, practically only best seller with good position sells. don't know what to thug but i had other hopes for this 2019


and in that 350 there were two 79 dollar a bunch of 44....now the max is a bunch of 2,85 the rest subs....
for me those unsplash and pixel free are simply killing this business.
BTW why those websites exist? Like who pay for those to exist?

My January is going okay.

Well Unsplash is apparently making money from investors, 'building a new economy around photography in blockchain', probably raising more money for themselves and not caring about their community or photography.

https://medium.com/unsplash/we-just-raised-7-25-million-for-unsplash-to-build-a-new-economy-around-photography-cedc8a999239

The other ones with ads on their site I guess.

Maybe if we start uploading millions of similar background images with irrelevant keywords on these free websites, people won't be able to find anything and will stop using them. Just an idea ;)
Still I don't understand. The ads in the other sites make sense but unsplash is ad free so how exactly...? Anyways good idea

« Reply #38 on: January 16, 2019, 04:18 »
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by the way how is youjanuary....?


last year was my best month an so far i had more than 350 download in ss and near 120 in istock....we are at 120 in ss and 21 in stock.....everything is falling down seems.
i thought   holiday were still on till last weekend but today is still pretty slow, practically only best seller with good position sells. don't know what to thug but i had other hopes for this 2019


and in that 350 there were two 79 dollar a bunch of 44....now the max is a bunch of 2,85 the rest subs....
for me those unsplash and pixel free are simply killing this business.
BTW why those websites exist? Like who pay for those to exist?

My January is going okay.

Well Unsplash is apparently making money from investors, 'building a new economy around photography in blockchain', probably raising more money for themselves and not caring about their community or photography.

https://medium.com/unsplash/we-just-raised-7-25-million-for-unsplash-to-build-a-new-economy-around-photography-cedc8a999239

The other ones with ads on their site I guess.

Maybe if we start uploading millions of similar background images with irrelevant keywords on these free websites, people won't be able to find anything and will stop using them. Just an idea ;)
Still I don't understand. The ads in the other sites make sense but unsplash is ad free so how exactly...? Anyways good idea
I wonder if the "Investors" know how they will get a return or did they just see the words "blockchain" "new  economy" and buy into the dream!

« Reply #39 on: January 16, 2019, 09:12 »
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seems like even big  micro stock factory are supporting this b...i


https://unsplash.com/@rawpixel

by the way they try to sell mages with their website

https://www.rawpixel.com/premium?sort=curated&premium=premium&page=1 
180000 images for free:==....100 per month,  what many buyer simply need...

and 

https://www.rawpixel.com/image/101176/premium-photo-aerial-view-arrangement-bakery

https://www.fotolia.com/id/165030168

they give for free even images sold in micro stock....for me this is scaring, if a big factory, the biggest probably begin giving free stuff to try to sell images is scaring...and in addiction they sell same file in micro and their website, with very big different price. t's clear they don't make enough money to support business.

240 dollar annual plan and you can download 350000 images per year all the library....is not a rush towards the bottom...worst.
« Last Edit: January 16, 2019, 09:18 by jonbull »

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« Reply #40 on: January 16, 2019, 09:27 »
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Just in case anyone thinks exposure or anything else silly like that. Rawpixel Free Image Terms:

These uses are generally OK

    Using the image (altered or unaltered) in advertising/promotional materials
    Using the image on your social media accounts/website if you are not allowing others to download the image.
    Spending time, effort and skill to make significant design changes to the image/design, so that it has become a new work, and then distributing/selling in any format/on merchandise.
    Using the image (altered or unaltered) on a product when the main value of the product is not the image, i.e. it is ok to use as a cover for a book or on product packaging.
    Using the image as an example/mock up for a template/merchandise where it is not possible for the customer to access/use the image.
    Printing the image onto canvas, a poster, or invites when it is for your own personal use.

Really?

« Reply #41 on: January 16, 2019, 09:34 »
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Just in case anyone thinks exposure or anything else silly like that. Rawpixel Free Image Terms:

These uses are generally OK

    Using the image (altered or unaltered) in advertising/promotional materials
    Using the image on your social media accounts/website if you are not allowing others to download the image.
    Spending time, effort and skill to make significant design changes to the image/design, so that it has become a new work, and then distributing/selling in any format/on merchandise.
    Using the image (altered or unaltered) on a product when the main value of the product is not the image, i.e. it is ok to use as a cover for a book or on product packaging.
    Using the image as an example/mock up for a template/merchandise where it is not possible for the customer to access/use the image.
    Printing the image onto canvas, a poster, or invites when it is for your own personal use.

Really?


these library are an invitation to this and scammers mostly from india to use their works and resell...is not a case fake accounts wth stolen images appear daily in shutterstock- and i'm cynical but don't blame at all the theft...stupid company and people deserves this..



which is the only micro stock website who gives images for free? reamstime and can stock probably and we can see how much they sell....giving free images and think this is a good strategy to find customer is the most idiot thing anybody can do.

« Reply #42 on: January 16, 2019, 09:36 »
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Just in case anyone thinks exposure or anything else silly like that. Rawpixel Free Image Terms:

These uses are generally OK

    Using the image (altered or unaltered) in advertising/promotional materials
    Using the image on your social media accounts/website if you are not allowing others to download the image.
    Spending time, effort and skill to make significant design changes to the image/design, so that it has become a new work, and then distributing/selling in any format/on merchandise.
    Using the image (altered or unaltered) on a product when the main value of the product is not the image, i.e. it is ok to use as a cover for a book or on product packaging.
    Using the image as an example/mock up for a template/merchandise where it is not possible for the customer to access/use the image.
    Printing the image onto canvas, a poster, or invites when it is for your own personal use.

Really?

but the most pathetic is 240 dollar for an unlimited library....i mean if i download all the files, i pay not even a cent per image.

« Reply #43 on: January 17, 2019, 09:05 »
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Zero quality control and similars are a big problem but lately the huge increase in fraudulent portfolios stealing others images and reselling them without any action is getting to be a big problem.

Some great examples here:-
https://forums.submit.shutterstock.com/topic/96209-thieves-thread-update-week-ending-jan-13/
https://forums.submit.shutterstock.com/topic/96153-what-can-i-do-to-make-shutterstock-take-copyright-infringement-seriously/

They don't appear to care that their library is filling up with low quality, similar, badly keyworded images OR that a fairly large scale theft and reupload empire is growing there too.

« Reply #44 on: January 17, 2019, 09:08 »
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Zero quality control and similars are a big problem but lately the huge increase in fraudulent portfolios stealing others images and reselling them without any action is getting to be a big problem.

Some great examples here:-
https://forums.submit.shutterstock.com/topic/96209-thieves-thread-update-week-ending-jan-13/
https://forums.submit.shutterstock.com/topic/96153-what-can-i-do-to-make-shutterstock-take-copyright-infringement-seriously/

They don't appear to care that their library is filling up with low quality, similar, badly keyworded images OR that a fairly large scale theft and reupload empire is growing there too.

unsplash site and other free sites are the most used photos by those thieves....is clear that from the born of those free sites everything is falling down.
personally i don't blame them....mst are indian, with a 300 400 dollar they can survive , most have internet connection, and unfortunately this is only the begin. it will be worse...still african and poor chinese don't have discovered micro stock.

« Reply #45 on: January 17, 2019, 09:15 »
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Zero quality control and similars are a big problem but lately the huge increase in fraudulent portfolios stealing others images and reselling them without any action is getting to be a big problem.

Some great examples here:-
https://forums.submit.shutterstock.com/topic/96209-thieves-thread-update-week-ending-jan-13/
https://forums.submit.shutterstock.com/topic/96153-what-can-i-do-to-make-shutterstock-take-copyright-infringement-seriously/

They don't appear to care that their library is filling up with low quality, similar, badly keyworded images OR that a fairly large scale theft and reupload empire is growing there too.

india, bangladesh, algeria.....as i said we have seen not even the point of an iceberg....ss is imploijg, and too we will see 3 4 million files per week mostly stolen...there is billions of poor with intent and a pc, in most country even 100 dollar makes a difference. unfortunately is clear that micro stock is in the last phase.
the only thing that can change something would be a *  terrible q4 for ss who take their stock in the garbage. but i have  zero hope at this point.

« Reply #46 on: January 17, 2019, 09:16 »
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Zero quality control and similars are a big problem but lately the huge increase in fraudulent portfolios stealing others images and reselling them without any action is getting to be a big problem.

Some great examples here:-
https://forums.submit.shutterstock.com/topic/96209-thieves-thread-update-week-ending-jan-13/
https://forums.submit.shutterstock.com/topic/96153-what-can-i-do-to-make-shutterstock-take-copyright-infringement-seriously/

They don't appear to care that their library is filling up with low quality, similar, badly keyworded images OR that a fairly large scale theft and reupload empire is growing there too.

india, bangladesh, algeria.....as i said we have seen not even the point of an iceberg....ss is imploijg, and too we will see 3 4 million files per week mostly stolen...there is billions of poor with intent and a pc, in most country even 100 dollar makes a difference. unfortunately is clear that micro stock is in the last phase.
the only thing that can change something would be a *  terrible q4 for ss who take their stock in the garbage. but i have  zero hope at this point.

and ss has been added a lot of languages..so even those unskilled who doesn't know a word of english can now upload stolen images or spamming with snapshots taken by their iPhone 3.    unbelievable.   


« Reply #47 on: January 17, 2019, 11:11 »
+6
india, bangladesh, algeria.....as i said we have seen not even the point of an iceberg....ss is imploijg, and too we will see 3 4 million files per week mostly stolen...there is billions of poor with intent and a pc, in most country even 100 dollar makes a difference. unfortunately is clear that micro stock is in the last phase.
the only thing that can change something would be a *  terrible q4 for ss who take their stock in the garbage. but i have  zero hope at this point.

....

and ss has been added a lot of languages..so even those unskilled who doesn't know a word of english can now upload stolen images or spamming with snapshots taken by their iPhone 3.    unbelievable.


Funny you say that because your posts are not really the best examples of using correct English ;)

People from Algeria, Bangladesh or India have exactly the same rights as us, Americans or Europeans to upload and sell our work through Shutterstock.

Cheating has nothing to do with nationality. The solution is not to close the door to new talent coming from across the world, but for SS to improve their fraud detection algorithms. So focus on the real issue, stop belittling other nations,
stop acting like a Trump with his "crap-hole countries" rants and get ready to face the competition.
« Last Edit: January 17, 2019, 11:14 by Zero Talent »

« Reply #48 on: January 17, 2019, 11:28 »
0
india, bangladesh, algeria.....as i said we have seen not even the point of an iceberg....ss is imploijg, and too we will see 3 4 million files per week mostly stolen...there is billions of poor with intent and a pc, in most country even 100 dollar makes a difference. unfortunately is clear that micro stock is in the last phase.
the only thing that can change something would be a *  terrible q4 for ss who take their stock in the garbage. but i have  zero hope at this point.

....

and ss has been added a lot of languages..so even those unskilled who doesn't know a word of english can now upload stolen images or spamming with snapshots taken by their iPhone 3.    unbelievable.


Funny you say that because your posts are not really the best examples of using correct English ;)

People from Algeria, Bangladesh or India have exactly the same rights as us, Americans or Europeans to upload and sell our work through Shutterstock.

Cheating has nothing to do with nationality. The solution is not to close the door to new talent coming from across the world, but for SS to improve their fraud detection algorithms. So focus on the real issue, stop belittling other nations,
stop acting like a Trump with his "crap-hole countries" rants and get ready to face the competition.


mandrio...ops zero talent...listen if 99% of cheater come from those is not racism ar trumps but reality. everybody can upload from any country. the point is most spammers and thieves come from those country. it's a fact proven. now i know you would say hat thieves are from anywhere but clearly won't be able to bring any samples...i'm not native english, and myenglish is enough believe me......i speak 4 language...how many you apart from rumenian and american?

« Reply #49 on: January 17, 2019, 11:29 »
0
india, bangladesh, algeria.....as i said we have seen not even the point of an iceberg....ss is imploijg, and too we will see 3 4 million files per week mostly stolen...there is billions of poor with intent and a pc, in most country even 100 dollar makes a difference. unfortunately is clear that micro stock is in the last phase.
the only thing that can change something would be a *  terrible q4 for ss who take their stock in the garbage. but i have  zero hope at this point.

....

and ss has been added a lot of languages..so even those unskilled who doesn't know a word of english can now upload stolen images or spamming with snapshots taken by their iPhone 3.    unbelievable.


Funny you say that because your posts are not really the best examples of using correct English ;)

People from Algeria, Bangladesh or India have exactly the same rights as us, Americans or Europeans to upload and sell our work through Shutterstock.

Cheating has nothing to do with nationality. The solution is not to close the door to new talent coming from across the world, but for SS to improve their fraud detection algorithms. So focus on the real issue, stop belittling other nations,
stop acting like a Trump with his "crap-hole countries" rants and get ready to face the competition.
...
« Last Edit: January 17, 2019, 11:34 by jonbull »

« Reply #50 on: January 17, 2019, 11:38 »
+3
.if 99% of cheater come from those is not racism ar trumps but reality.

Saying that 99% (made up number, of course) of cheaters come from some countries is exactly what xenophobia is about.
For you, some nations are inferior, some nations are "nations of cheaters".
A couple of months ago, you were ranting about Russia and Ukraine, now you rant about Algeria, Bangladesh and India.
FYI, racists or white-nationalists "justifications" function based on similar assumptions: that non-white races are inferior.

It's so sad that you don't even realize it!
« Last Edit: January 17, 2019, 11:44 by Zero Talent »

« Reply #51 on: January 17, 2019, 11:44 »
+1
.if 99% of cheater come from those is not racism ar trumps but reality.

Saying that 99% (made up number, of course) of cheaters come from some countries is exactly what xenophobia is about.
For you some nations are inferior, some nations are "nations of cheaters".
A couple of months ago, you were ranting about Russia and Ukraine, now you rant about Algeria, Bangladesh and India.
FYI, racists or white-nationalists "justifications" function based on similar assumptions: that non-white races are inferior.

It's so sad you don't even realize it!

what a bunch of stupidity.. being an immigrant from rumen in usa make you so nervous about that theme? i travel all the world love ukraine and russsia, indian african but this don't deny th fact that most of spammers and thieves in shtterstock come from these country. and has nothing to do with politics or xenophobia...i already said find 10 20 thieves from france, or usa...i expect.

« Reply #52 on: January 17, 2019, 11:45 »
+1
.if 99% of cheater come from those is not racism ar trumps but reality.

Saying that 99% (made up number, of course) of cheaters come from some countries is exactly what xenophobia is about.
For you, some nations are inferior, some nations are "nations of cheaters".
A couple of months ago, you were ranting about Russia and Ukraine, now you rant about Algeria, Bangladesh and India.
FYI, racists or white-nationalists "justifications" function based on similar assumptions: that non-white races are inferior.

It's so sad that you don't even realize it!


only in the last two days, with minimal efforts brasilnut found at least 10 15 thieves from india. why not from usa or other country?

« Reply #53 on: January 17, 2019, 11:52 »
0
.if 99% of cheater come from those is not racism ar trumps but reality.

Saying that 99% (made up number, of course) of cheaters come from some countries is exactly what xenophobia is about.
For you, some nations are inferior, some nations are "nations of cheaters".
A couple of months ago, you were ranting about Russia and Ukraine, now you rant about Algeria, Bangladesh and India.
FYI, racists or white-nationalists "justifications" function based on similar assumptions: that non-white races are inferior.

It's so sad that you don't even realize it!


only in the last two days, with minimal efforts brasilnut found at least 10 15 thieves from india. why not from usa or other country?

According to your logic, because of 10 thieves 1.3 billion of Indians are also cheaters!

Nice! Xenophobia at its best!

As I said, it's so sad that you don't even realize it!

« Reply #54 on: January 17, 2019, 11:57 »
+1
you are a total idiot really...we are talking about shutter stock...not india or china complete population....


here a photo that show my kukuxlan friend in soweto, famous white supremacist ghetto in africa, a place where you would be even scared to stroll inside a car,

« Reply #55 on: January 17, 2019, 12:02 »
0
you are a total idiot really...we are talking about shutter stock...not india or china complete population....


We are making progress, I see! You just confirmed what I said: it's a Shutterstock problem, not a nationality problem.
But since you wear your xenophobic glasses, you see nations.

PS. So it's not just Russia, Ukraine, Algeria, India and Bangladesh. I see it's also China, now! Sweet!
« Last Edit: January 17, 2019, 12:09 by Zero Talent »

Brasilnut

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« Reply #56 on: January 17, 2019, 12:07 »
+6
.if 99% of cheater come from those is not racism ar trumps but reality.

Saying that 99% (made up number, of course) of cheaters come from some countries is exactly what xenophobia is about.
For you, some nations are inferior, some nations are "nations of cheaters".
A couple of months ago, you were ranting about Russia and Ukraine, now you rant about Algeria, Bangladesh and India.
FYI, racists or white-nationalists "justifications" function based on similar assumptions: that non-white races are inferior.

It's so sad that you don't even realize it!


only in the last two days, with minimal efforts brasilnut found at least 10 15 thieves from india. why not from usa or other country?

I look for them and they happen to be predominately from India, Pakistan, Thailand, Bangladesh and Russia. Not sure what % are fraudulent but wouldn't say it's 99%. Pity for other otherwise legitimate contributors from those countries that give them a bad name, especially India which is such a rich and colourful country. Some of those contributors just need to step out the door and see the beauty.

SS have a 90-day "high-fraud risk" list of countries before they can withdraw, so it's not by accident that those places are more likely to have thieves than others. Nothing to do with DNA or nationality/ethnicity or the fact that their staple food is rice other than potatoes, it comes down to education or in many cases, lack of. Also corruption is ripe in many of those countries and there's a kind of free-for-all and lack of social fabric that is found in more egalitarian societies. 25 cents in many of those countries is worth a lot more than 25 cents in our western developed world, so we're likely to see the proliferation of thieves in the coming years while QC standards become increasingly non-existent.

No excuse, still thieves and need to be shut down and educated. 

p.s how they let the same image be distributed by 6 people is beyond me and close to negligence for a publicly listed agency with audited accounts and a compliance dept
« Last Edit: January 17, 2019, 12:12 by Brasilnut »


« Reply #57 on: January 17, 2019, 12:12 »
+1
.if 99% of cheater come from those is not racism ar trumps but reality.

Saying that 99% (made up number, of course) of cheaters come from some countries is exactly what xenophobia is about.
For you, some nations are inferior, some nations are "nations of cheaters".
A couple of months ago, you were ranting about Russia and Ukraine, now you rant about Algeria, Bangladesh and India.
FYI, racists or white-nationalists "justifications" function based on similar assumptions: that non-white races are inferior.

It's so sad that you don't even realize it!


only in the last two days, with minimal efforts brasilnut found at least 10 15 thieves from india. why not from usa or other country?

I look for them and they happen to be predominately from India, Pakistan, Thailand, Bangladesh and Russia. Pity for other contributors from those countries that give others a bad name, especially India which is such a rich and colourful country. Some of those contributors just need to step out the door and see the beauty.

SS have a 90-day "high-fraud risk" list of countries before they can withdraw, so it's not by accident that those places are more likely to have thieves than others. Nothing to do with DNA or nationality/ethnicity or the fact that their staple food is rice other than potatoes, it comes down to education or in many cases, lack of. Also corruption is ripe in many of those countries and there's a kind of free-for-all and lack of social fabric that is found in more egalitarian societies. 25 cents in many of those countries is worth a lot more than 25 cents in our western developed world, so we're likely to see the proliferation of thieves in the coming years while QC standards become increasingly non-existent.

No excuse, still thieves and need to be shut down and educated. 

p.s how they let the same image be distributed by 6 people is beyond me and close to negligence for a publicly listed agency with audited accounts and a compliance dept

another * racist:)

« Reply #58 on: January 17, 2019, 12:18 »
+2
.if 99% of cheater come from those is not racism ar trumps but reality.

Saying that 99% (made up number, of course) of cheaters come from some countries is exactly what xenophobia is about.
For you, some nations are inferior, some nations are "nations of cheaters".
A couple of months ago, you were ranting about Russia and Ukraine, now you rant about Algeria, Bangladesh and India.
FYI, racists or white-nationalists "justifications" function based on similar assumptions: that non-white races are inferior.

It's so sad that you don't even realize it!


only in the last two days, with minimal efforts brasilnut found at least 10 15 thieves from india. why not from usa or other country?

I look for them and they happen to be predominately from India, Pakistan, Thailand, Bangladesh and Russia. Not sure what % are fraudulent but wouldn't say it's 99%. Pity for other otherwise legitimate contributors from those countries that give them a bad name, especially India which is such a rich and colourful country. Some of those contributors just need to step out the door and see the beauty.

SS have a 90-day "high-fraud risk" list of countries before they can withdraw, so it's not by accident that those places are more likely to have thieves than others. Nothing to do with DNA or nationality/ethnicity or the fact that their staple food is rice other than potatoes, it comes down to education or in many cases, lack of. Also corruption is ripe in many of those countries and there's a kind of free-for-all and lack of social fabric that is found in more egalitarian societies. 25 cents in many of those countries is worth a lot more than 25 cents in our western developed world, so we're likely to see the proliferation of thieves in the coming years while QC standards become increasingly non-existent.

No excuse, still thieves and need to be shut down and educated. 

p.s how they let the same image be distributed by 6 people is beyond me and close to negligence for a publicly listed agency with audited accounts and a compliance dept

completely agree...having live and traveled in most of the countries, and having many friends there what you wrote is exactly this.....russia is a rich country but compared to  western country look like middle age as far as working and business ethics...ukraine not even talk, thailand the same...china? go and watch the conditions of workers...there are no ethics in those country, and has nothing to do with trump...most of them come from communist era, and after the fall of communism the so called freedom become more a jungle where surviving makes people cheat practically everyday.
as you said  100 dollar are something in india compared to usa, that's why in the last time you see indian contributors popping out like mushrooms with fas account and stolen images, same for ukraine and russia....i know people living in siberia who earn    300 dollar months working 6 days 8 hours and more...that's why a lot cheat spam use any means to makes money in ss.

« Reply #59 on: January 17, 2019, 12:33 »
+2
Ok, so the so called "explanation" has evolved from Russians, Ukranians, Indians, Algerians, Bangladeshi, Chinese, Pakistanis or Thai people are cheaters to "poor people are cheaters".

What about saying that "brown people" are cheaters, or "Hindu people" are cheaters, or "Orthodox Christians"?

All these "explanations" are as "valid" as any! All of them are baseless and offensive!

« Reply #60 on: January 17, 2019, 12:42 »
+1
Ok, so the so called "explanation" has evolved from Russians, Ukranians, Indians, Algerians, Bangladeshi, Chinese, Pakistanis or Thai people are cheaters to "poor people are cheaters".

What about saying that "brown people" are cheaters, or "Hindu people" are cheaters, or "Orthodox Christians"?

All these "explanations" are as "valid" as any! All of them are baseless and offensive!

a complete idiot. really. the fact you don't realize you are an idiot make you even more idiot....go back to ss forum to   spread this politically correct crap.m

« Reply #61 on: January 17, 2019, 12:49 »
+1
Ok, so the so called "explanation" has evolved from Russians, Ukranians, Indians, Algerians, Bangladeshi, Chinese, Pakistanis or Thai people are cheaters to "poor people are cheaters".

What about saying that "brown people" are cheaters, or "Hindu people" are cheaters, or "Orthodox Christians"?

All these "explanations" are as "valid" as any! All of them are baseless and offensive!

a complete idiot. really. the fact you don't realize you are an idiot make you even more idiot....

Great! When it's not about specific nations, it's about specific persons!

Cassical "ad hominem" and "name calling", in other words, the most intelligent ways to end an argument! Congrats!

No better way for you to confirm all what I said above! Thanks!
« Last Edit: January 17, 2019, 14:22 by Zero Talent »

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #62 on: January 17, 2019, 15:12 »
+1
Well Brazilnut you have a record winning entry into the image thieves collection. Two was enough, the real and the cheat. Someone found images where there were two copies and one original artist. This is the worst of the worst. I wonder who the real artist was and if they know? If it is actually Dubai it's funny how the same shot is Jakarta, Indonesia?



« Reply #63 on: January 17, 2019, 18:09 »
0
Here is another if half a dozen isn't enough, with a different sky and very strange horizon.
https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/dubai-skyline-sunset-1243533760

« Reply #64 on: January 17, 2019, 19:55 »
+2
Here is another if half a dozen isn't enough, with a different sky and very strange horizon.
https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/dubai-skyline-sunset-1243533760

Whaaat? You don't say! Jack Foote from The United States?

I thought thieves are only from Russia, Ukraine, Algeria, India, Pakistan, Thailand and China... or from poor countries... or something about communism...

What about that, what about that...
« Last Edit: January 17, 2019, 21:02 by Zero Talent »

« Reply #65 on: January 17, 2019, 22:07 »
0
I don't like jonbull but completely agree on this one. 5 out of six is still "most from east".

« Reply #66 on: January 17, 2019, 22:31 »
0
I don't like jonbull but completely agree on this one. 5 out of six is still "most from east".

Sure, I also agree with "5 out of 6 are from east".
The problem is his extrapolation from a few examples to entire nations, including droves of decent hard working contributors.
« Last Edit: January 17, 2019, 22:33 by Zero Talent »


« Reply #67 on: January 17, 2019, 23:54 »
+1
Look at it from a statistical risk management point of view.
If a disproportionate amount of fraud come from a small minority of areas, that's not racist in any way.
A lot of these countries have next to no IP or copyright laws and/or next to no enforcement.

Piracy, counterfeiting and everything else are big business there and are allowed to continue unabated.  Either there are no useful laws to enforce or the authorities have no interest in enforcing them (or are even involved).

That's saying nothing about individuals or anything about race, its just cold, statistical fact.  From a business point of view it quite simply might not be worth the risk to do business with or accept submissions from those areas for those reasons.

« Reply #68 on: January 18, 2019, 02:38 »
+3
a complete idiot. really. the fact you don't realize you are an idiot make you even more idiot....go back to ss forum to   spread this politically correct crap.m

Thieves are never country specific. You are over-thinking or something bad happened with you at those countries.
Your comments are only revolving in the loop of country, racism, poorness of people.

If these people are cheating in SS then what SS(a US company) is doing, aren't they doing the same by allowing them to do so, even when people are continuously complaining about the same.

I request you to take some rest and stop overthinking.

« Reply #69 on: January 18, 2019, 07:56 »
+1
What! Another idiot

« Reply #70 on: January 18, 2019, 07:58 »
+1
Here is another if half a dozen isn't enough, with a different sky and very strange horizon.
https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/dubai-skyline-sunset-1243533760

Whaaat? You don't say! Jack Foote from The United States?

I thought thieves are only from Russia, Ukraine, Algeria, India, Pakistan, Thailand and China... or from poor countries... or something about communism...

What about that, what about that...

Apart the fact that it must be seen thatnis from
Usa... lot of russian contriboutor
Put western countries for example... but really you deny the reality... mandriltu go out hyoir immigrants mentality and you wont see rackst at every corner.

« Reply #71 on: January 18, 2019, 08:01 »
+1
I don't like jonbull but completely agree on this one. 5 out of six is still "most from east".

Sure, I also agree with "5 out of 6 are from east".
The problem is his extrapolation from a few examples to entire nations, including droves of decent hard working contributors.

Idiot i already wrote you we are talking about thenpopulation pf shutterstock contriboutor... not all
Country. Other have tried to tell the same
Thing but you are in a period of life after trump
Electikn where you see racist everywhere.

« Reply #72 on: January 18, 2019, 09:39 »
0
Look at it from a statistical risk management point of view.
If a disproportionate amount of fraud come from a small minority of areas, that's not racist in any way.
A lot of these countries have next to no IP or copyright laws and/or next to no enforcement.

Piracy, counterfeiting and everything else are big business there and are allowed to continue unabated.  Either there are no useful laws to enforce or the authorities have no interest in enforcing them (or are even involved).

That's saying nothing about individuals or anything about race, its just cold, statistical fact.  From a business point of view it quite simply might not be worth the risk to do business with or accept submissions from those areas for those reasons.

Disproportionate? India has 1.35 billion people. 10 thieves is 0.0000007% of Indians.
USA has 325 million pops. 1 thief from USA is proportional to 4 thieves from India.
So comparing 4 thieves against 10 thieves is more or less in the same ballpark and I would not call that disproportionate.

Our dear xenophobe, should also add, as per some recent reports, Serbia, Brunei and Turkey to his list of cheating nations which already includes, Russia, Ukraine, India, Thailand, Pakistan, China, Algeria and of course, even if not on his list, USA.

If I compare 10 thieves from India with 1 thief from Serbia (out of 7 million pops), then proportionally Serbs are bigger thieves than Indians. But nobody steal as much as people from Brunei. Yes, Brunei people, with 1 thief out of 480,000 pops are the biggest thieves on the planet.

Again, it is a Shutterstock problem, thieves are everywhere.

« Reply #73 on: January 18, 2019, 09:49 »
0
Look at it from a statistical risk management point of view.
If a disproportionate amount of fraud come from a small minority of areas, that's not racist in any way.
A lot of these countries have next to no IP or copyright laws and/or next to no enforcement.

Piracy, counterfeiting and everything else are big business there and are allowed to continue unabated.  Either there are no useful laws to enforce or the authorities have no interest in enforcing them (or are even involved).

That's saying nothing about individuals or anything about race, its just cold, statistical fact.  From a business point of view it quite simply might not be worth the risk to do business with or accept submissions from those areas for those reasons.

Disproportionate? India has 1.35 billion people. 10 thieves is 0.0000007% of Indians.
USA has 325 million pops. 1 thief from USA is proportional to 4 thieves from India.
So comparing 4 thieves against 10 thieves is more or less in the same ballpark and I would not call that disproportionate.

Our dear xenophobe, should also add, as per some recent reports, Serbia, Brunei and Turkey to his list of cheating nations which already includes, Russia, Ukraine, India, Thailand, Pakistan, China, Algeria and of course, even if not on his list, USA.

If I compare 10 thieves from India with 1 thief from Serbia (out of 7 million pops), then proportionally Serbs are bigger thieves than Indians. But nobody steal as much as people from Brunei. Yes, Brunei people, with 1 thief out of 480,000 pops are the biggest thieves on the planet.

Again, it is a Shutterstock problem, thieves are everywhere.

you are sick man...go and detoxicate from trumps....really...10 are this found by a guy in a bunch of hour understand? there are hundred are, and more coming. i suggest you..live your * sofa in usa , country who welcome you as immigrant...and go live in india and open a * business..then come back year and talk again, and this has nothing to do with racism.....has to do   with the lack of any * rules who me and you consider  normal business law...go in china and open a * business ...o and visit some place where workers live and work 24 hours without any rules.

« Reply #74 on: January 18, 2019, 09:50 »
+1
Again you're ignoring reality.

In other areas of IT its the same,the overwhelming (yes, disproportionate) amounts of spam and hack attempts come from an IP address belonging to certain specific countries.

IP theft numbers are disproportionately high from specific areas.

Its due to no legislation in those countries, no legal deterrent from committing offences and rampant corruption.

Quite simply, in IT and other areas you can eliminate 90% of your risk by blocking 5% of areas.

You might be deluded enough to think rates of fraud and theft are no higher in any area in the world than others but quite simply thats incorrect.


« Reply #75 on: January 18, 2019, 10:02 »
0
Look at it from a statistical risk management point of view.
If a disproportionate amount of fraud come from a small minority of areas, that's not racist in any way.
A lot of these countries have next to no IP or copyright laws and/or next to no enforcement.

Piracy, counterfeiting and everything else are big business there and are allowed to continue unabated.  Either there are no useful laws to enforce or the authorities have no interest in enforcing them (or are even involved).

That's saying nothing about individuals or anything about race, its just cold, statistical fact.  From a business point of view it quite simply might not be worth the risk to do business with or accept submissions from those areas for those reasons.

Disproportionate? India has 1.35 billion people. 10 thieves is 0.0000007% of Indians.
USA has 325 million pops. 1 thief from USA is proportional to 4 thieves from India.
So comparing 4 thieves against 10 thieves is more or less in the same ballpark and I would not call that disproportionate.

Our dear xenophobe, should also add, as per some recent reports, Serbia, Brunei and Turkey to his list of cheating nations which already includes, Russia, Ukraine, India, Thailand, Pakistan, China, Algeria and of course, even if not on his list, USA.

If I compare 10 thieves from India with 1 thief from Serbia (out of 7 million pops), then proportionally Serbs are bigger thieves than Indians. But nobody steal as much as people from Brunei. Yes, Brunei people, with 1 thief out of 480,000 pops are the biggest thieves on the planet.

Again, it is a Shutterstock problem, thieves are everywhere.

why you talk about india population ....we are talking about shutter stock contributor...nobody  ever talked about india as country....if there are 1000 contributor from india and 100 are theft or summer...there is a problem....you are mounting an anti racist campaign, but i already showed you that i travel to poor country and live in ukraine and russia...that's why i have the experience to see that in most of those country there are simply zero rules about business...zero. only counts money and profits the rest, those law that are a normal thing in many country simply doesn't exist. we are talking about country like india where still some people are considered inferior and not worth a job or vote right.


« Reply #76 on: January 18, 2019, 11:24 »
+1
Look at it from a statistical risk management point of view.
If a disproportionate amount of fraud come from a small minority of areas, that's not racist in any way.
A lot of these countries have next to no IP or copyright laws and/or next to no enforcement.

Piracy, counterfeiting and everything else are big business there and are allowed to continue unabated.  Either there are no useful laws to enforce or the authorities have no interest in enforcing them (or are even involved).

That's saying nothing about individuals or anything about race, its just cold, statistical fact.  From a business point of view it quite simply might not be worth the risk to do business with or accept submissions from those areas for those reasons.

Disproportionate? India has 1.35 billion people. 10 thieves is 0.0000007% of Indians.
USA has 325 million pops. 1 thief from USA is proportional to 4 thieves from India.
So comparing 4 thieves against 10 thieves is more or less in the same ballpark and I would not call that disproportionate.

Our dear xenophobe, should also add, as per some recent reports, Serbia, Brunei and Turkey to his list of cheating nations which already includes, Russia, Ukraine, India, Thailand, Pakistan, China, Algeria and of course, even if not on his list, USA.

If I compare 10 thieves from India with 1 thief from Serbia (out of 7 million pops), then proportionally Serbs are bigger thieves than Indians. But nobody steal as much as people from Brunei. Yes, Brunei people, with 1 thief out of 480,000 pops are the biggest thieves on the planet.

Again, it is a Shutterstock problem, thieves are everywhere.

you are sick man...go and detoxicate from trumps....really...10 are this found by a guy in a bunch of hour understand? there are hundred are, and more coming. i suggest you..live your * sofa in usa , country who welcome you as immigrant...and go live in india and open a * business..then come back year and talk again, and this has nothing to do with racism.....has to do   with the lack of any * rules who me and you consider  normal business law...go in china and open a * business ...o and visit some place where workers live and work 24 hours without any rules.

You think of yourself as sociologist able to understand and explain the root cause of certain behavioral patterns (because of poverty, communism, corruption, bad social fabric, etc, etc, etc...)
Let me break some news for you: you are NOT a sociologist, you are a xenophobe. Sociologists are always attempting to explain why people behave in certain ways, by using advanced statistics to prove their hypothesis.
It's not as simple as you think. Analyzing 10 cases means nothing statistically. 0.0000007% means nothing. These people may well be part of a forum or some group, where a dishonest idea has been shared. In other words, that group is very different than the rest population or contributors from that country you wrongfully accused. It's always a possibility.
But it's much easier to jump to conclusions and explain everything with your xenophobic bias.

It's very telling that when I try to bring you simple numbers to present a different view on the same topic, you reply with insults. You swiftly move between insulting nations and insulting persons. As I said above, your only arguments are childish "name calling" and "ad hominem".

So I'll repeat: it's a Shutterstock problem, not a people problem. Shutterstock rules are not strong enough. They need a better fraud detection algorithm. Whatever happens with governments in those countries is secondary and clearly not part of the solution.

Those xenophobic proposals to ban half of the world from contributing or to make things harder for ALL people coming from all those countries, will only make honest and hard working poor people's lives even more difficult.
« Last Edit: January 18, 2019, 11:41 by Zero Talent »


« Reply #77 on: January 18, 2019, 11:42 »
0
Look at it from a statistical risk management point of view.
If a disproportionate amount of fraud come from a small minority of areas, that's not racist in any way.
A lot of these countries have next to no IP or copyright laws and/or next to no enforcement.

Piracy, counterfeiting and everything else are big business there and are allowed to continue unabated.  Either there are no useful laws to enforce or the authorities have no interest in enforcing them (or are even involved).

That's saying nothing about individuals or anything about race, its just cold, statistical fact.  From a business point of view it quite simply might not be worth the risk to do business with or accept submissions from those areas for those reasons.

Disproportionate? India has 1.35 billion people. 10 thieves is 0.0000007% of Indians.
USA has 325 million pops. 1 thief from USA is proportional to 4 thieves from India.
So comparing 4 thieves against 10 thieves is more or less in the same ballpark and I would not call that disproportionate.

Our dear xenophobe, should also add, as per some recent reports, Serbia, Brunei and Turkey to his list of cheating nations which already includes, Russia, Ukraine, India, Thailand, Pakistan, China, Algeria and of course, even if not on his list, USA.

If I compare 10 thieves from India with 1 thief from Serbia (out of 7 million pops), then proportionally Serbs are bigger thieves than Indians. But nobody steal as much as people from Brunei. Yes, Brunei people, with 1 thief out of 480,000 pops are the biggest thieves on the planet.

Again, it is a Shutterstock problem, thieves are everywhere.

you are sick man...go and detoxicate from trumps....really...10 are this found by a guy in a bunch of hour understand? there are hundred are, and more coming. i suggest you..live your * sofa in usa , country who welcome you as immigrant...and go live in india and open a * business..then come back year and talk again, and this has nothing to do with racism.....has to do   with the lack of any * rules who me and you consider  normal business law...go in china and open a * business ...o and visit some place where workers live and work 24 hours without any rules.

You think of yourself as sociologist able to understand and explain the root cause of a certain behavioral patterns (because of poverty, communism, corruption, bad social fabric, etc, etc, etc...)
Let me break some news for you: you are NOT a sociologist, you are a xenophobe. Sociologists are always attempting to explain why people behave in certain ways, by using advanced statistics to prove their hypothesis.
It's not as simple as you think. Analyzing 10 cases means nothing statistically. 0.0000007% means nothing. These people may well be part of a forum or some group, where a dishonest idea has been shared. In other words, that group is very different than the rest population or contributors from that country you wrongfully accused. It's always a possibility.
But it's much easier to jump to conclusions and explain everything with your xenophobic bias.

It's very telling that when I try to bring you simple numbers to present a different view on the same topic, you reply with insults. You swiftly move between insulting nations and insulting persons. As I said above, your only arguments are childish "name calling" and "ad hominem"

So I'll repeat: it's a Shutterstock problem, not a people problem. Shutterstock rules are not strong enough. They need a better fraud detection algorithm. Whatever happens with governments in those countries is secondary and clearly not part of the solution.

Those xenophobic proposals to ban half of the world from contributing or to make things harder for poor people coming from all those countries, will only make honest and hard working poor people's lives even more difficult.

nobody is insulting people...or nations...you are presenting others problems...because you have a distorted view of reality made uo of your conditions and hate towards trump mostly, so you see   everybody as racist....other people told you the same....

probably you never go out from your sofa, just to shoot some nightcap of new york...or go back to your country,  take a flight and live in other country instead of talk about something you clearly don't have any clue.
if there are 10000 indian country and 100 steal is not a little problem is great problem...considering that probably there are not even 1000 and mostly steal is a big problem. is not abut 10...ten are those discovered by a simple research.

telling the problem is not caused by theft but by those who don't control...is like saying that raping  a woman is not a fault of who assault her but the faulty was of her dressing in a sex manner.

« Reply #78 on: January 18, 2019, 11:44 »
0
Look at it from a statistical risk management point of view.
If a disproportionate amount of fraud come from a small minority of areas, that's not racist in any way.
A lot of these countries have next to no IP or copyright laws and/or next to no enforcement.

Piracy, counterfeiting and everything else are big business there and are allowed to continue unabated.  Either there are no useful laws to enforce or the authorities have no interest in enforcing them (or are even involved).

That's saying nothing about individuals or anything about race, its just cold, statistical fact.  From a business point of view it quite simply might not be worth the risk to do business with or accept submissions from those areas for those reasons.

Disproportionate? India has 1.35 billion people. 10 thieves is 0.0000007% of Indians.
USA has 325 million pops. 1 thief from USA is proportional to 4 thieves from India.
So comparing 4 thieves against 10 thieves is more or less in the same ballpark and I would not call that disproportionate.

Our dear xenophobe, should also add, as per some recent reports, Serbia, Brunei and Turkey to his list of cheating nations which already includes, Russia, Ukraine, India, Thailand, Pakistan, China, Algeria and of course, even if not on his list, USA.

If I compare 10 thieves from India with 1 thief from Serbia (out of 7 million pops), then proportionally Serbs are bigger thieves than Indians. But nobody steal as much as people from Brunei. Yes, Brunei people, with 1 thief out of 480,000 pops are the biggest thieves on the planet.

Again, it is a Shutterstock problem, thieves are everywhere.

you are sick man...go and detoxicate from trumps....really...10 are this found by a guy in a bunch of hour understand? there are hundred are, and more coming. i suggest you..live your * sofa in usa , country who welcome you as immigrant...and go live in india and open a * business..then come back year and talk again, and this has nothing to do with racism.....has to do   with the lack of any * rules who me and you consider  normal business law...go in china and open a * business ...o and visit some place where workers live and work 24 hours without any rules.

You think of yourself as sociologist able to understand and explain the root cause of certain behavioral patterns (because of poverty, communism, corruption, bad social fabric, etc, etc, etc...)
Let me break some news for you: you are NOT a sociologist, you are a xenophobe. Sociologists are always attempting to explain why people behave in certain ways, by using advanced statistics to prove their hypothesis.
It's not as simple as you think. Analyzing 10 cases means nothing statistically. 0.0000007% means nothing. These people may well be part of a forum or some group, where a dishonest idea has been shared. In other words, that group is very different than the rest population or contributors from that country you wrongfully accused. It's always a possibility.
But it's much easier to jump to conclusions and explain everything with your xenophobic bias.

It's very telling that when I try to bring you simple numbers to present a different view on the same topic, you reply with insults. You swiftly move between insulting nations and insulting persons. As I said above, your only arguments are childish "name calling" and "ad hominem".

So I'll repeat: it's a Shutterstock problem, not a people problem. Shutterstock rules are not strong enough. They need a better fraud detection algorithm. Whatever happens with governments in those countries is secondary and clearly not part of the solution.

Those xenophobic proposals to ban half of the world from contributing or to make things harder for ALL people coming from all those countries, will only make honest and hard working poor people's lives even more difficult.

nobody want ban hal f of the world...you are telling words nobody has told...and this make you a little piece of crap.

« Reply #79 on: January 18, 2019, 11:49 »
0
Look at it from a statistical risk management point of view.
If a disproportionate amount of fraud come from a small minority of areas, that's not racist in any way.
A lot of these countries have next to no IP or copyright laws and/or next to no enforcement.

Piracy, counterfeiting and everything else are big business there and are allowed to continue unabated.  Either there are no useful laws to enforce or the authorities have no interest in enforcing them (or are even involved).

That's saying nothing about individuals or anything about race, its just cold, statistical fact.  From a business point of view it quite simply might not be worth the risk to do business with or accept submissions from those areas for those reasons.

Disproportionate? India has 1.35 billion people. 10 thieves is 0.0000007% of Indians.
USA has 325 million pops. 1 thief from USA is proportional to 4 thieves from India.
So comparing 4 thieves against 10 thieves is more or less in the same ballpark and I would not call that disproportionate.

Our dear xenophobe, should also add, as per some recent reports, Serbia, Brunei and Turkey to his list of cheating nations which already includes, Russia, Ukraine, India, Thailand, Pakistan, China, Algeria and of course, even if not on his list, USA.

If I compare 10 thieves from India with 1 thief from Serbia (out of 7 million pops), then proportionally Serbs are bigger thieves than Indians. But nobody steal as much as people from Brunei. Yes, Brunei people, with 1 thief out of 480,000 pops are the biggest thieves on the planet.

Again, it is a Shutterstock problem, thieves are everywhere.

you are sick man...go and detoxicate from trumps....really...10 are this found by a guy in a bunch of hour understand? there are hundred are, and more coming. i suggest you..live your * sofa in usa , country who welcome you as immigrant...and go live in india and open a * business..then come back year and talk again, and this has nothing to do with racism.....has to do   with the lack of any * rules who me and you consider  normal business law...go in china and open a * business ...o and visit some place where workers live and work 24 hours without any rules.

You think of yourself as sociologist able to understand and explain the root cause of a certain behavioral patterns (because of poverty, communism, corruption, bad social fabric, etc, etc, etc...)
Let me break some news for you: you are NOT a sociologist, you are a xenophobe. Sociologists are always attempting to explain why people behave in certain ways, by using advanced statistics to prove their hypothesis.
It's not as simple as you think. Analyzing 10 cases means nothing statistically. 0.0000007% means nothing. These people may well be part of a forum or some group, where a dishonest idea has been shared. In other words, that group is very different than the rest population or contributors from that country you wrongfully accused. It's always a possibility.
But it's much easier to jump to conclusions and explain everything with your xenophobic bias.

It's very telling that when I try to bring you simple numbers to present a different view on the same topic, you reply with insults. You swiftly move between insulting nations and insulting persons. As I said above, your only arguments are childish "name calling" and "ad hominem"

So I'll repeat: it's a Shutterstock problem, not a people problem. Shutterstock rules are not strong enough. They need a better fraud detection algorithm. Whatever happens with governments in those countries is secondary and clearly not part of the solution.

Those xenophobic proposals to ban half of the world from contributing or to make things harder for poor people coming from all those countries, will only make honest and hard working poor people's lives even more difficult.

nobody is insulting people...or nations...you are presenting others problems...because you have a distorted view of reality made uo of your conditions and hate towards trump mostly, so you see   everybody as racist....other people told you the same....

probably you never go out from your sofa, just to shoot some nightcap of new york...or go back to your country,  take a flight and live in other country instead of talk about something you clearly don't have any clue.
if there are 10000 indian country and 100 steal is not a little problem is great problem...considering that probably there are not even 1000 and mostly steal is a big problem. is not abut 10...ten are those discovered by a simple research.

telling the problem is not caused by theft but by those who don't control...is like saying that raping  a woman is not a fault of who assault her but the faulty was of her dressing in a sex manner.

"Ad Hominem" at its best.

About the "rape" nonsense: it's the very opposite of what I'm saying.

What you are saying is that ALL men are guilty because one of them (or 10) is a rapist.
Or the classical: Mexicans are rapists, because we caught one.

That's what YOU are saying when you see everything through your xenophobic glasses.
« Last Edit: January 18, 2019, 11:52 by Zero Talent »

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« Reply #80 on: January 18, 2019, 11:54 »
+2
Wow this is a good place for a lock...  ::)

« Reply #81 on: January 18, 2019, 11:57 »
0
Look at it from a statistical risk management point of view.
If a disproportionate amount of fraud come from a small minority of areas, that's not racist in any way.
A lot of these countries have next to no IP or copyright laws and/or next to no enforcement.

Piracy, counterfeiting and everything else are big business there and are allowed to continue unabated.  Either there are no useful laws to enforce or the authorities have no interest in enforcing them (or are even involved).

That's saying nothing about individuals or anything about race, its just cold, statistical fact.  From a business point of view it quite simply might not be worth the risk to do business with or accept submissions from those areas for those reasons.

Disproportionate? India has 1.35 billion people. 10 thieves is 0.0000007% of Indians.
USA has 325 million pops. 1 thief from USA is proportional to 4 thieves from India.
So comparing 4 thieves against 10 thieves is more or less in the same ballpark and I would not call that disproportionate.

Our dear xenophobe, should also add, as per some recent reports, Serbia, Brunei and Turkey to his list of cheating nations which already includes, Russia, Ukraine, India, Thailand, Pakistan, China, Algeria and of course, even if not on his list, USA.

If I compare 10 thieves from India with 1 thief from Serbia (out of 7 million pops), then proportionally Serbs are bigger thieves than Indians. But nobody steal as much as people from Brunei. Yes, Brunei people, with 1 thief out of 480,000 pops are the biggest thieves on the planet.

Again, it is a Shutterstock problem, thieves are everywhere.

you are sick man...go and detoxicate from trumps....really...10 are this found by a guy in a bunch of hour understand? there are hundred are, and more coming. i suggest you..live your * sofa in usa , country who welcome you as immigrant...and go live in india and open a * business..then come back year and talk again, and this has nothing to do with racism.....has to do   with the lack of any * rules who me and you consider  normal business law...go in china and open a * business ...o and visit some place where workers live and work 24 hours without any rules.

You think of yourself as sociologist able to understand and explain the root cause of a certain behavioral patterns (because of poverty, communism, corruption, bad social fabric, etc, etc, etc...)
Let me break some news for you: you are NOT a sociologist, you are a xenophobe. Sociologists are always attempting to explain why people behave in certain ways, by using advanced statistics to prove their hypothesis.
It's not as simple as you think. Analyzing 10 cases means nothing statistically. 0.0000007% means nothing. These people may well be part of a forum or some group, where a dishonest idea has been shared. In other words, that group is very different than the rest population or contributors from that country you wrongfully accused. It's always a possibility.
But it's much easier to jump to conclusions and explain everything with your xenophobic bias.

It's very telling that when I try to bring you simple numbers to present a different view on the same topic, you reply with insults. You swiftly move between insulting nations and insulting persons. As I said above, your only arguments are childish "name calling" and "ad hominem"

So I'll repeat: it's a Shutterstock problem, not a people problem. Shutterstock rules are not strong enough. They need a better fraud detection algorithm. Whatever happens with governments in those countries is secondary and clearly not part of the solution.

Those xenophobic proposals to ban half of the world from contributing or to make things harder for poor people coming from all those countries, will only make honest and hard working poor people's lives even more difficult.

nobody is insulting people...or nations...you are presenting others problems...because you have a distorted view of reality made uo of your conditions and hate towards trump mostly, so you see   everybody as racist....other people told you the same....

probably you never go out from your sofa, just to shoot some nightcap of new york...or go back to your country,  take a flight and live in other country instead of talk about something you clearly don't have any clue.
if there are 10000 indian country and 100 steal is not a little problem is great problem...considering that probably there are not even 1000 and mostly steal is a big problem. is not abut 10...ten are those discovered by a simple research.

telling the problem is not caused by theft but by those who don't control...is like saying that raping  a woman is not a fault of who assault her but the faulty was of her dressing in a sex manner.

"Ad Hominem" at its best.

About the "rape" nonsense: it's the very opposite of what I'm saying.

What you are saying is that ALL men are guilty because one of them (or 10) is a rapist.
Or the classical: Mexicans are rapists, because we caught one.

That's what YOU are saying when you see everything through your xenophobic glasses.

So I'll repeat: it's a Shutterstock problem, not a people problem. Shutterstock rules are not strong enough. They need a better fraud detection algorithm.


this is the same as giving the fault to the victim of a rape cause he has high heels and mini skirt....the fact that even in the last message you tried , with mediocre results, to present your words in another form show exactly you nature...the example of median show exactly your anti trumps taken everywhere even in a photo   forum..most of theft in microstcok come form india russia and other third world country..is a fas proven. the rest are the crap you are telling...mandriotu..go back to ss forum..who probably you even work for ss.

« Reply #82 on: January 18, 2019, 12:23 »
0
Look at it from a statistical risk management point of view.
If a disproportionate amount of fraud come from a small minority of areas, that's not racist in any way.
A lot of these countries have next to no IP or copyright laws and/or next to no enforcement.

Piracy, counterfeiting and everything else are big business there and are allowed to continue unabated.  Either there are no useful laws to enforce or the authorities have no interest in enforcing them (or are even involved).

That's saying nothing about individuals or anything about race, its just cold, statistical fact.  From a business point of view it quite simply might not be worth the risk to do business with or accept submissions from those areas for those reasons.

Disproportionate? India has 1.35 billion people. 10 thieves is 0.0000007% of Indians.
USA has 325 million pops. 1 thief from USA is proportional to 4 thieves from India.
So comparing 4 thieves against 10 thieves is more or less in the same ballpark and I would not call that disproportionate.

Our dear xenophobe, should also add, as per some recent reports, Serbia, Brunei and Turkey to his list of cheating nations which already includes, Russia, Ukraine, India, Thailand, Pakistan, China, Algeria and of course, even if not on his list, USA.

If I compare 10 thieves from India with 1 thief from Serbia (out of 7 million pops), then proportionally Serbs are bigger thieves than Indians. But nobody steal as much as people from Brunei. Yes, Brunei people, with 1 thief out of 480,000 pops are the biggest thieves on the planet.

Again, it is a Shutterstock problem, thieves are everywhere.

you are sick man...go and detoxicate from trumps....really...10 are this found by a guy in a bunch of hour understand? there are hundred are, and more coming. i suggest you..live your * sofa in usa , country who welcome you as immigrant...and go live in india and open a * business..then come back year and talk again, and this has nothing to do with racism.....has to do   with the lack of any * rules who me and you consider  normal business law...go in china and open a * business ...o and visit some place where workers live and work 24 hours without any rules.

You think of yourself as sociologist able to understand and explain the root cause of a certain behavioral patterns (because of poverty, communism, corruption, bad social fabric, etc, etc, etc...)
Let me break some news for you: you are NOT a sociologist, you are a xenophobe. Sociologists are always attempting to explain why people behave in certain ways, by using advanced statistics to prove their hypothesis.
It's not as simple as you think. Analyzing 10 cases means nothing statistically. 0.0000007% means nothing. These people may well be part of a forum or some group, where a dishonest idea has been shared. In other words, that group is very different than the rest population or contributors from that country you wrongfully accused. It's always a possibility.
But it's much easier to jump to conclusions and explain everything with your xenophobic bias.

It's very telling that when I try to bring you simple numbers to present a different view on the same topic, you reply with insults. You swiftly move between insulting nations and insulting persons. As I said above, your only arguments are childish "name calling" and "ad hominem"

So I'll repeat: it's a Shutterstock problem, not a people problem. Shutterstock rules are not strong enough. They need a better fraud detection algorithm. Whatever happens with governments in those countries is secondary and clearly not part of the solution.

Those xenophobic proposals to ban half of the world from contributing or to make things harder for poor people coming from all those countries, will only make honest and hard working poor people's lives even more difficult.

nobody is insulting people...or nations...you are presenting others problems...because you have a distorted view of reality made uo of your conditions and hate towards trump mostly, so you see   everybody as racist....other people told you the same....

probably you never go out from your sofa, just to shoot some nightcap of new york...or go back to your country,  take a flight and live in other country instead of talk about something you clearly don't have any clue.
if there are 10000 indian country and 100 steal is not a little problem is great problem...considering that probably there are not even 1000 and mostly steal is a big problem. is not abut 10...ten are those discovered by a simple research.

telling the problem is not caused by theft but by those who don't control...is like saying that raping  a woman is not a fault of who assault her but the faulty was of her dressing in a sex manner.

"Ad Hominem" at its best.

About the "rape" nonsense: it's the very opposite of what I'm saying.

What you are saying is that ALL men are guilty because one of them (or 10) is a rapist.
Or the classical: Mexicans are rapists, because we caught one.

That's what YOU are saying when you see everything through your xenophobic glasses.

So I'll repeat: it's a Shutterstock problem, not a people problem. Shutterstock rules are not strong enough. They need a better fraud detection algorithm.


this is the same as giving the fault to the victim of a rape cause he has high heels and mini skirt....the fact that even in the last message you tried , with mediocre results, to present your words in another form show exactly you nature...the example of median show exactly your anti trumps taken everywhere even in a photo   forum..most of theft in microstcok come form india russia and other third world country..is a fas proven. the rest are the crap you are telling...mandriotu..go back to ss forum..who probably you even work for ss.

I "probably work for SS"! Lol! You got me!
Another example of how accurate your conclusions are! That's really impressive!

It's my mistake to try to reason with you when it's obvious that You can't root with the hogs and have a clean nose

« Reply #83 on: January 18, 2019, 12:25 »
+1
Look at it from a statistical risk management point of view.
If a disproportionate amount of fraud come from a small minority of areas, that's not racist in any way.
A lot of these countries have next to no IP or copyright laws and/or next to no enforcement.

Piracy, counterfeiting and everything else are big business there and are allowed to continue unabated.  Either there are no useful laws to enforce or the authorities have no interest in enforcing them (or are even involved).

That's saying nothing about individuals or anything about race, its just cold, statistical fact.  From a business point of view it quite simply might not be worth the risk to do business with or accept submissions from those areas for those reasons.

Disproportionate? India has 1.35 billion people. 10 thieves is 0.0000007% of Indians.
USA has 325 million pops. 1 thief from USA is proportional to 4 thieves from India.
So comparing 4 thieves against 10 thieves is more or less in the same ballpark and I would not call that disproportionate.

Our dear xenophobe, should also add, as per some recent reports, Serbia, Brunei and Turkey to his list of cheating nations which already includes, Russia, Ukraine, India, Thailand, Pakistan, China, Algeria and of course, even if not on his list, USA.

If I compare 10 thieves from India with 1 thief from Serbia (out of 7 million pops), then proportionally Serbs are bigger thieves than Indians. But nobody steal as much as people from Brunei. Yes, Brunei people, with 1 thief out of 480,000 pops are the biggest thieves on the planet.

Again, it is a Shutterstock problem, thieves are everywhere.

you are sick man...go and detoxicate from trumps....really...10 are this found by a guy in a bunch of hour understand? there are hundred are, and more coming. i suggest you..live your * sofa in usa , country who welcome you as immigrant...and go live in india and open a * business..then come back year and talk again, and this has nothing to do with racism.....has to do   with the lack of any * rules who me and you consider  normal business law...go in china and open a * business ...o and visit some place where workers live and work 24 hours without any rules.

You think of yourself as sociologist able to understand and explain the root cause of a certain behavioral patterns (because of poverty, communism, corruption, bad social fabric, etc, etc, etc...)
Let me break some news for you: you are NOT a sociologist, you are a xenophobe. Sociologists are always attempting to explain why people behave in certain ways, by using advanced statistics to prove their hypothesis.
It's not as simple as you think. Analyzing 10 cases means nothing statistically. 0.0000007% means nothing. These people may well be part of a forum or some group, where a dishonest idea has been shared. In other words, that group is very different than the rest population or contributors from that country you wrongfully accused. It's always a possibility.
But it's much easier to jump to conclusions and explain everything with your xenophobic bias.

It's very telling that when I try to bring you simple numbers to present a different view on the same topic, you reply with insults. You swiftly move between insulting nations and insulting persons. As I said above, your only arguments are childish "name calling" and "ad hominem"

So I'll repeat: it's a Shutterstock problem, not a people problem. Shutterstock rules are not strong enough. They need a better fraud detection algorithm. Whatever happens with governments in those countries is secondary and clearly not part of the solution.

Those xenophobic proposals to ban half of the world from contributing or to make things harder for poor people coming from all those countries, will only make honest and hard working poor people's lives even more difficult.

nobody is insulting people...or nations...you are presenting others problems...because you have a distorted view of reality made uo of your conditions and hate towards trump mostly, so you see   everybody as racist....other people told you the same....

probably you never go out from your sofa, just to shoot some nightcap of new york...or go back to your country,  take a flight and live in other country instead of talk about something you clearly don't have any clue.
if there are 10000 indian country and 100 steal is not a little problem is great problem...considering that probably there are not even 1000 and mostly steal is a big problem. is not abut 10...ten are those discovered by a simple research.

telling the problem is not caused by theft but by those who don't control...is like saying that raping  a woman is not a fault of who assault her but the faulty was of her dressing in a sex manner.

"Ad Hominem" at its best.

About the "rape" nonsense: it's the very opposite of what I'm saying.

What you are saying is that ALL men are guilty because one of them (or 10) is a rapist.
Or the classical: Mexicans are rapists, because we caught one.

That's what YOU are saying when you see everything through your xenophobic glasses.

So I'll repeat: it's a Shutterstock problem, not a people problem. Shutterstock rules are not strong enough. They need a better fraud detection algorithm.


this is the same as giving the fault to the victim of a rape cause he has high heels and mini skirt....the fact that even in the last message you tried , with mediocre results, to present your words in another form show exactly you nature...the example of median show exactly your anti trumps taken everywhere even in a photo   forum..most of theft in microstcok come form india russia and other third world country..is a fas proven. the rest are the crap you are telling...mandriotu..go back to ss forum..who probably you even work for ss.

I "probably work for SS"! Lol! You got me!
Another example of how accurate your conclusions are! That's really impressive!

It's my mistake to try to reason with you when it's obvious that You can't root with the hogs and have a clean nose

what you said everybody can read...no point in discussing with you...you justify stealing giving the fault to lack of control of ss...this is mentality from russai    RUMENIA and india...that'si

« Reply #84 on: January 18, 2019, 12:31 »
0
Look at it from a statistical risk management point of view.
If a disproportionate amount of fraud come from a small minority of areas, that's not racist in any way.
A lot of these countries have next to no IP or copyright laws and/or next to no enforcement.

Piracy, counterfeiting and everything else are big business there and are allowed to continue unabated.  Either there are no useful laws to enforce or the authorities have no interest in enforcing them (or are even involved).

That's saying nothing about individuals or anything about race, its just cold, statistical fact.  From a business point of view it quite simply might not be worth the risk to do business with or accept submissions from those areas for those reasons.

Disproportionate? India has 1.35 billion people. 10 thieves is 0.0000007% of Indians.
USA has 325 million pops. 1 thief from USA is proportional to 4 thieves from India.
So comparing 4 thieves against 10 thieves is more or less in the same ballpark and I would not call that disproportionate.

Our dear xenophobe, should also add, as per some recent reports, Serbia, Brunei and Turkey to his list of cheating nations which already includes, Russia, Ukraine, India, Thailand, Pakistan, China, Algeria and of course, even if not on his list, USA.

If I compare 10 thieves from India with 1 thief from Serbia (out of 7 million pops), then proportionally Serbs are bigger thieves than Indians. But nobody steal as much as people from Brunei. Yes, Brunei people, with 1 thief out of 480,000 pops are the biggest thieves on the planet.

Again, it is a Shutterstock problem, thieves are everywhere.

you are sick man...go and detoxicate from trumps....really...10 are this found by a guy in a bunch of hour understand? there are hundred are, and more coming. i suggest you..live your * sofa in usa , country who welcome you as immigrant...and go live in india and open a * business..then come back year and talk again, and this has nothing to do with racism.....has to do   with the lack of any * rules who me and you consider  normal business law...go in china and open a * business ...o and visit some place where workers live and work 24 hours without any rules.

You think of yourself as sociologist able to understand and explain the root cause of certain behavioral patterns (because of poverty, communism, corruption, bad social fabric, etc, etc, etc...)
Let me break some news for you: you are NOT a sociologist, you are a xenophobe. Sociologists are always attempting to explain why people behave in certain ways, by using advanced statistics to prove their hypothesis.
It's not as simple as you think. Analyzing 10 cases means nothing statistically. 0.0000007% means nothing. These people may well be part of a forum or some group, where a dishonest idea has been shared. In other words, that group is very different than the rest population or contributors from that country you wrongfully accused. It's always a possibility.
But it's much easier to jump to conclusions and explain everything with your xenophobic bias.

It's very telling that when I try to bring you simple numbers to present a different view on the same topic, you reply with insults. You swiftly move between insulting nations and insulting persons. As I said above, your only arguments are childish "name calling" and "ad hominem".

So I'll repeat: it's a Shutterstock problem, not a people problem. Shutterstock rules are not strong enough. They need a better fraud detection algorithm. Whatever happens with governments in those countries is secondary and clearly not part of the solution.

Those xenophobic proposals to ban half of the world from contributing or to make things harder for ALL people coming from all those countries, will only make honest and hard working poor people's lives even more difficult.

nobody want ban hal f of the world...you are telling words nobody has told...and this make you a little piece of crap.

India + China + Pakistan + Bangladesh + Russia + Thailand +... = ~3.4 billion people
That's 45% of the world population. Not half.

My mistake! You got me!  ;D

« Reply #85 on: January 18, 2019, 12:51 »
0
Look at it from a statistical risk management point of view.
If a disproportionate amount of fraud come from a small minority of areas, that's not racist in any way.
A lot of these countries have next to no IP or copyright laws and/or next to no enforcement.

Piracy, counterfeiting and everything else are big business there and are allowed to continue unabated.  Either there are no useful laws to enforce or the authorities have no interest in enforcing them (or are even involved).

That's saying nothing about individuals or anything about race, its just cold, statistical fact.  From a business point of view it quite simply might not be worth the risk to do business with or accept submissions from those areas for those reasons.

Disproportionate? India has 1.35 billion people. 10 thieves is 0.0000007% of Indians.
USA has 325 million pops. 1 thief from USA is proportional to 4 thieves from India.
So comparing 4 thieves against 10 thieves is more or less in the same ballpark and I would not call that disproportionate.

Our dear xenophobe, should also add, as per some recent reports, Serbia, Brunei and Turkey to his list of cheating nations which already includes, Russia, Ukraine, India, Thailand, Pakistan, China, Algeria and of course, even if not on his list, USA.

If I compare 10 thieves from India with 1 thief from Serbia (out of 7 million pops), then proportionally Serbs are bigger thieves than Indians. But nobody steal as much as people from Brunei. Yes, Brunei people, with 1 thief out of 480,000 pops are the biggest thieves on the planet.

Again, it is a Shutterstock problem, thieves are everywhere.

you are sick man...go and detoxicate from trumps....really...10 are this found by a guy in a bunch of hour understand? there are hundred are, and more coming. i suggest you..live your * sofa in usa , country who welcome you as immigrant...and go live in india and open a * business..then come back year and talk again, and this has nothing to do with racism.....has to do   with the lack of any * rules who me and you consider  normal business law...go in china and open a * business ...o and visit some place where workers live and work 24 hours without any rules.

You think of yourself as sociologist able to understand and explain the root cause of certain behavioral patterns (because of poverty, communism, corruption, bad social fabric, etc, etc, etc...)
Let me break some news for you: you are NOT a sociologist, you are a xenophobe. Sociologists are always attempting to explain why people behave in certain ways, by using advanced statistics to prove their hypothesis.
It's not as simple as you think. Analyzing 10 cases means nothing statistically. 0.0000007% means nothing. These people may well be part of a forum or some group, where a dishonest idea has been shared. In other words, that group is very different than the rest population or contributors from that country you wrongfully accused. It's always a possibility.
But it's much easier to jump to conclusions and explain everything with your xenophobic bias.

It's very telling that when I try to bring you simple numbers to present a different view on the same topic, you reply with insults. You swiftly move between insulting nations and insulting persons. As I said above, your only arguments are childish "name calling" and "ad hominem".

So I'll repeat: it's a Shutterstock problem, not a people problem. Shutterstock rules are not strong enough. They need a better fraud detection algorithm. Whatever happens with governments in those countries is secondary and clearly not part of the solution.

Those xenophobic proposals to ban half of the world from contributing or to make things harder for ALL people coming from all those countries, will only make honest and hard working poor people's lives even more difficult.

nobody want ban hal f of the world...you are telling words nobody has told...and this make you a little piece of crap.

India + China + Pakistan + Bangladesh + Russia + Thailand +... = ~3.4 billion people
That's 45% of the world population. Not half.

My mistake! You got me!  ;D

idiot you understand that we are talking about contributor of ss?

« Reply #86 on: January 18, 2019, 13:14 »
+3
Shutterstock rules are not strong enough. They need a better fraud detection algorithm.

Setting aside all the personal attacks I think this is the crux of the problem.  No nationality, ethnicity, gender, etc. has a monopoly on fraudsters - they can be anyone, anywhere.  I don't care where they come from or what their motivations are, if they are stealing other people's work, they should be caught and shut down.

Of course it is easier said than done, but you'd think a major IT company like SS could do a much better job of identifying people who submit stolen images, at least on their own site.  Certainly it should be possible to check every submitted image for exact duplicates in the portfolios of other contributors - just like you can do a plagiarism check on text.  It becomes more difficult if they have modified it by changing the color, switching out the sky or making other kinds of composites.  However, you'd think a company with the resources of SS could find a way to do it if they wanted.  The problem is that they make the same amount of money if someone buys a stolen image as from the original contributor, so probably don't have much incentive to police portfolios carefully.  It is only if someone steals an image and sells it elsewhere that they lose, at least in the short term.  If they want to keep their top contributors in the long term though this is something they should get sorted out.

Scientific journals usually have an automatic plagiarism check of every submitted manuscript because of exactly this problem.  I have seen manuscripts that literally had cobbled together whole paragraphs stolen from other authors with no attribution.  Once caught, those people were banned from publishing in the journal and notices also were sent out to the editors of other journals in similar fields.  Maybe microstock companies need to start doing the same thing - with the caveat that they would need some sort of appeal process in case somebody is wrongly accused.


« Reply #87 on: January 18, 2019, 15:23 »
0
Look at it from a statistical risk management point of view.
If a disproportionate amount of fraud come from a small minority of areas, that's not racist in any way.
A lot of these countries have next to no IP or copyright laws and/or next to no enforcement.

Piracy, counterfeiting and everything else are big business there and are allowed to continue unabated.  Either there are no useful laws to enforce or the authorities have no interest in enforcing them (or are even involved).

That's saying nothing about individuals or anything about race, its just cold, statistical fact.  From a business point of view it quite simply might not be worth the risk to do business with or accept submissions from those areas for those reasons.

Disproportionate? India has 1.35 billion people. 10 thieves is 0.0000007% of Indians.
USA has 325 million pops. 1 thief from USA is proportional to 4 thieves from India.
So comparing 4 thieves against 10 thieves is more or less in the same ballpark and I would not call that disproportionate.

Our dear xenophobe, should also add, as per some recent reports, Serbia, Brunei and Turkey to his list of cheating nations which already includes, Russia, Ukraine, India, Thailand, Pakistan, China, Algeria and of course, even if not on his list, USA.

If I compare 10 thieves from India with 1 thief from Serbia (out of 7 million pops), then proportionally Serbs are bigger thieves than Indians. But nobody steal as much as people from Brunei. Yes, Brunei people, with 1 thief out of 480,000 pops are the biggest thieves on the planet.

Again, it is a Shutterstock problem, thieves are everywhere.

you are sick man...go and detoxicate from trumps....really...10 are this found by a guy in a bunch of hour understand? there are hundred are, and more coming. i suggest you..live your * sofa in usa , country who welcome you as immigrant...and go live in india and open a * business..then come back year and talk again, and this has nothing to do with racism.....has to do   with the lack of any * rules who me and you consider  normal business law...go in china and open a * business ...o and visit some place where workers live and work 24 hours without any rules.

You think of yourself as sociologist able to understand and explain the root cause of certain behavioral patterns (because of poverty, communism, corruption, bad social fabric, etc, etc, etc...)
Let me break some news for you: you are NOT a sociologist, you are a xenophobe. Sociologists are always attempting to explain why people behave in certain ways, by using advanced statistics to prove their hypothesis.
It's not as simple as you think. Analyzing 10 cases means nothing statistically. 0.0000007% means nothing. These people may well be part of a forum or some group, where a dishonest idea has been shared. In other words, that group is very different than the rest population or contributors from that country you wrongfully accused. It's always a possibility.
But it's much easier to jump to conclusions and explain everything with your xenophobic bias.

It's very telling that when I try to bring you simple numbers to present a different view on the same topic, you reply with insults. You swiftly move between insulting nations and insulting persons. As I said above, your only arguments are childish "name calling" and "ad hominem".

So I'll repeat: it's a Shutterstock problem, not a people problem. Shutterstock rules are not strong enough. They need a better fraud detection algorithm. Whatever happens with governments in those countries is secondary and clearly not part of the solution.

Those xenophobic proposals to ban half of the world from contributing or to make things harder for ALL people coming from all those countries, will only make honest and hard working poor people's lives even more difficult.

nobody want ban hal f of the world...you are telling words nobody has told...and this make you a little piece of crap.

India + China + Pakistan + Bangladesh + Russia + Thailand +... = ~3.4 billion people
That's 45% of the world population. Not half.

My mistake! You got me!  ;D

idiot you understand that we are talking about contributor of ss?

You are not talking about SS. You are talking about how morally decayed people from certain parts of the world are. You even have "explanations": it's because of "poverty", "communism", "lack of social fiber", "corruption", etc, etc, etc...

You are the perfect example. I'm not blaming your co-nationals for the way you behave on this forum. You are very rude and you use insults in almost every sentence. It's not the fault of your co-nationals for sharing the same country with such a rude individual.

Are you still with me? If yes, read further:

SS should take action against their bad behaved contributors, no matter what country they come from, without penalizing other honest and hard working co-nationals.
Similarly, MSG forum admins should take action against their bad behaved members, like you, without penalizing all your co-nationals.
When others are forced to witness your insults, it's because there is little or no moderation on this forum, not because your co-nationals are morally decayed.

Do you see what I mean?
« Last Edit: January 18, 2019, 15:36 by Zero Talent »

ShadySue

« Reply #88 on: January 18, 2019, 15:39 »
+1
what a bunch of stupidity.. being an immigrant from rumen in usa make you so nervous about that theme? i travel all the world love ukraine and russsia, indian african but this don't deny th fact that most of spammers and thieves in shtterstock come from these country. and has nothing to do with politics or xenophobia...i already said find 10 20 thieves from france, or usa...i expect.
Well, to be frank, most of the image/article thieves I've found have been in China.
That and an Irish lawyer who is refusing to answer emails or speak to me on the phone, or reply to letters. After similarly dissing Alamy.

« Reply #89 on: January 18, 2019, 16:26 »
+1
Look at it from a statistical risk management point of view.
If a disproportionate amount of fraud come from a small minority of areas, that's not racist in any way.
A lot of these countries have next to no IP or copyright laws and/or next to no enforcement.

Piracy, counterfeiting and everything else are big business there and are allowed to continue unabated.  Either there are no useful laws to enforce or the authorities have no interest in enforcing them (or are even involved).

That's saying nothing about individuals or anything about race, its just cold, statistical fact.  From a business point of view it quite simply might not be worth the risk to do business with or accept submissions from those areas for those reasons.

Disproportionate? India has 1.35 billion people. 10 thieves is 0.0000007% of Indians.
USA has 325 million pops. 1 thief from USA is proportional to 4 thieves from India.
So comparing 4 thieves against 10 thieves is more or less in the same ballpark and I would not call that disproportionate.

Our dear xenophobe, should also add, as per some recent reports, Serbia, Brunei and Turkey to his list of cheating nations which already includes, Russia, Ukraine, India, Thailand, Pakistan, China, Algeria and of course, even if not on his list, USA.

If I compare 10 thieves from India with 1 thief from Serbia (out of 7 million pops), then proportionally Serbs are bigger thieves than Indians. But nobody steal as much as people from Brunei. Yes, Brunei people, with 1 thief out of 480,000 pops are the biggest thieves on the planet.

Again, it is a Shutterstock problem, thieves are everywhere.

you are sick man...go and detoxicate from trumps....really...10 are this found by a guy in a bunch of hour understand? there are hundred are, and more coming. i suggest you..live your * sofa in usa , country who welcome you as immigrant...and go live in india and open a * business..then come back year and talk again, and this has nothing to do with racism.....has to do   with the lack of any * rules who me and you consider  normal business law...go in china and open a * business ...o and visit some place where workers live and work 24 hours without any rules.

You think of yourself as sociologist able to understand and explain the root cause of certain behavioral patterns (because of poverty, communism, corruption, bad social fabric, etc, etc, etc...)
Let me break some news for you: you are NOT a sociologist, you are a xenophobe. Sociologists are always attempting to explain why people behave in certain ways, by using advanced statistics to prove their hypothesis.
It's not as simple as you think. Analyzing 10 cases means nothing statistically. 0.0000007% means nothing. These people may well be part of a forum or some group, where a dishonest idea has been shared. In other words, that group is very different than the rest population or contributors from that country you wrongfully accused. It's always a possibility.
But it's much easier to jump to conclusions and explain everything with your xenophobic bias.

It's very telling that when I try to bring you simple numbers to present a different view on the same topic, you reply with insults. You swiftly move between insulting nations and insulting persons. As I said above, your only arguments are childish "name calling" and "ad hominem".

So I'll repeat: it's a Shutterstock problem, not a people problem. Shutterstock rules are not strong enough. They need a better fraud detection algorithm. Whatever happens with governments in those countries is secondary and clearly not part of the solution.

Those xenophobic proposals to ban half of the world from contributing or to make things harder for ALL people coming from all those countries, will only make honest and hard working poor people's lives even more difficult.

nobody want ban hal f of the world...you are telling words nobody has told...and this make you a little piece of crap.

India + China + Pakistan + Bangladesh + Russia + Thailand +... = ~3.4 billion people
That's 45% of the world population. Not half.

My mistake! You got me!  ;D

idiot you understand that we are talking about contributor of ss?

You are not talking about SS. You are talking about how morally decayed people from certain parts of the world are. You even have "explanations": it's because of "poverty", "communism", "lack of social fiber", "corruption", etc, etc, etc...

You are the perfect example. I'm not blaming your co-nationals for the way you behave on this forum. You are very rude and you use insults in almost every sentence. It's not the fault of your co-nationals for sharing the same country with such a rude individual.

Are you still with me? If yes, read further:

SS should take action against their bad behaved contributors, no matter what country they come from, without penalizing other honest and hard working co-nationals.
Similarly, MSG forum admins should take action against their bad behaved members, like you, without penalizing all your co-nationals.
When others are forced to witness your insults, it's because there is little or no moderation on this forum, not because your co-nationals are morally decayed.

Do you see what I mean?
. Maybe in romania you drink too much, is the only clear explanation for this conplete nonsense.

« Reply #90 on: January 18, 2019, 16:27 »
+1
what a bunch of stupidity.. being an immigrant from rumen in usa make you so nervous about that theme? i travel all the world love ukraine and russsia, indian african but this don't deny th fact that most of spammers and thieves in shtterstock come from these country. and has nothing to do with politics or xenophobia...i already said find 10 20 thieves from france, or usa...i expect.
Well, to be frank, most of the image/article thieves I've found have been in China.
That and an Irish lawyer who is refusing to answer emails or speak to me on the phone, or reply to letters. After similarly dissing Alamy.
. China is an ethic national... nking if respect of copyright of others))  wit for zero brain to attack you as racist and haters of chinese people

Brasilnut

  • Author Brutally Honest Guide to Microstock & Blog

« Reply #91 on: Yesterday at 23:11 »
+1

« Reply #92 on: Today at 11:50 »
0
55...ahhahaha...and the idiot still think this is a 10 people phenomenon.....ahahah...and expect thousand more since shutter stock offer contributor 20 different languages...100 dollar for poor people in third world county like india make a difference...and is not racism is the true unfortunately for them and us.

« Reply #93 on: Today at 12:01 »
0
i don't know if i am wrong or not, but  ss in my opinion could face a jury trial for misconduct...if i find my images sold by some other contributor be sure i will see if i can   move against ss...they are selling something against the rule and contracts i signed...for sure theft are going much further


https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/elephant-forest-1211469475?src=BGwqzCGGTdSjRtcncjs-1g-6-39

using such a famous and bestseller image is not like using a * snapshots of some unnow people in sss...i email david of this...who know if he react legally against ss...

Brasilnut

  • Author Brutally Honest Guide to Microstock & Blog

« Reply #94 on: Today at 12:26 »
0
55...ahhahaha...

There's probably 5,500 active accounts or 1% of all AT LEAST!

« Reply #95 on: Today at 12:53 »
0
55...ahhahaha...

There's probably 5,500 active accounts or 1% of all AT LEAST!

as i said don'tknow if it's a crime in usa but they are selling something illecit...they will face for sure big problems soon...imagine some idiot from india uploading some mario testino or salgado images? :)......ss is so idiot not even consider this...and we idiots who spend money travel and produce photos...just to see our revenue killed by spammer thief...

« Reply #96 on: Today at 12:54 »
+1
55...ahhahaha...and the idiot still think this is a 10 people phenomenon.....ahahah...and expect thousand more since shutter stock offer contributor 20 different languages...100 dollar for poor people in third world county like india make a difference...and is not racism is the true unfortunately for them and us.

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/in/Salem-India

net salary in a 700000 people city of india is according to number near 290 dollar. is clear they do this.   


« Reply #97 on: Today at 13:20 »
0
55...ahhahaha...

There's probably 5,500 active accounts or 1% of all AT LEAST!

as i said don'tknow if it's a crime in usa but they are selling something illecit...they will face for sure big problems soon...imagine some idiot from india uploading some mario testino or salgado images? :)......ss is so idiot not even consider this...and we idiots who spend money travel and produce photos...just to see our revenue killed by spammer thief...

Leaving your personal attacks and insults aside, your sheer ignorance and blatant xenophobic "justifications" never cease to amaze me.

FYI, even if in an absurd case, you'll manage to find-out that 99% of Indians are thieves (because of poverty or whatever other pseudo-arguments you like to come up with), you still can't say that "(All) Indians are thieves". What you can do is only saying that a large majority of Indians have been caught steeling. In this hypothetical extreme example, what you do is to accuse 1% of honest, innocent Indians of theft. That's about 13 million people or more than the population of many European countries.

Besides the fact that India has 1.35 billion pops, there are many other possible explanations for those findings. But when you are filled with so much hate, your brain stops functioning.
Like a raging bull, you only see red in front of you.
« Last Edit: Today at 14:20 by Zero Talent »


 

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