Author Topic: 100% rejections plus new images not selling (Read 18847 times)

Poncke v2 · « **on:** June 03, 2013, 09:20 »

So my latest batch of 7 images was 100% rejected. This batch also contained a few resubmits from a previous batch of 24 images which had about 40% rejected. The images rejected for lighting (fixed it) were now rejected for composition. One of the latest rejections was composition on an isolation of the new 5 euro note.

My approval rate on SS was 90% for a long time. So not perfect, but I knew basically what would get in and what not. At the moment I am lost as all of a sudden my acceptance rate is far below my average.

And from the latest 100 accepted images, I am not seeing any sales, well, I think I sold 2 or 3 images of which 1 is picking up sales. These 100 images were people images (seniors, kids, moms) and images of landmarks in Dublin, Ireland.

So with accepted images not selling, and my latest batch 100% rejected, whats the use?

I will post a few images later.

heywoody · « **Reply #1 on:** June 03, 2013, 11:05 »

There may be nothing at all wrong with the images, if the subject matter is well covered even images with high sales potential may not benefit the site as the buyer will have enough choice so not to go away empty handed. The banknote may be just cos it's a banknote even in Euro notes are legally ok. As for what's the point, if most of your stuff is accepted and sells it's worth more than something not submitted.

Beppe Grillo · « **Reply #2 on:** June 03, 2013, 13:28 »

^ I don't think that now it is possible to find so many new Euro banknotes on stocks, as it is very new.
The new Euro Banknote is different from the other because it has "Euro" written in cyrillic (ЕВРО)
Probably the reviewer did not know that and/or did not see the difference.

falstafff · « **Reply #3 on:** June 03, 2013, 13:37 »

Quote from: Poncke v2 on June 03, 2013, 09:20

So my latest batch of 7 images was 100% rejected. This batch also contained a few resubmits from a previous batch of 24 images which had about 40% rejected. The images rejected for lighting (fixed it) were now rejected for composition. One of the latest rejections was composition on an isolation of the new 5 euro note.

My approval rate on SS was 90% for a long time. So not perfect, but I knew basically what would get in and what not. At the moment I am lost as all of a sudden my acceptance rate is far below my average.

And from the latest 100 accepted images, I am not seeing any sales, well, I think I sold 2 or 3 images of which 1 is picking up sales. These 100 images were people images (seniors, kids, moms) and images of landmarks in Dublin, Ireland.

So with accepted images not selling, and my latest batch 100% rejected, whats the use?

I will post a few images later.

" accepted images not selling". heck! this is old news. been going on all through May and more. its all over the SS forum. Where have you been mate?

Poncke v2 · « **Reply #4 on:** June 03, 2013, 13:39 »

Quote from: falstafff on June 03, 2013, 13:37

Quote from: Poncke v2 on June 03, 2013, 09:20
So my latest batch of 7 images was 100% rejected. This batch also contained a few resubmits from a previous batch of 24 images which had about 40% rejected. The images rejected for lighting (fixed it) were now rejected for composition. One of the latest rejections was composition on an isolation of the new 5 euro note.

My approval rate on SS was 90% for a long time. So not perfect, but I knew basically what would get in and what not. At the moment I am lost as all of a sudden my acceptance rate is far below my average.

And from the latest 100 accepted images, I am not seeing any sales, well, I think I sold 2 or 3 images of which 1 is picking up sales. These 100 images were people images (seniors, kids, moms) and images of landmarks in Dublin, Ireland.

So with accepted images not selling, and my latest batch 100% rejected, whats the use?

I will post a few images later.

" accepted images not selling". heck! this is old news. been going on all through May and more. its all over the SS forum. Where have you been mate?

I know fallstaff, I am only confirming it, aint I?

Poncke v2 · « **Reply #5 on:** June 03, 2013, 13:39 »

Rejected for composition

Beppe Grillo · « **Reply #6 on:** June 03, 2013, 13:50 »

As I know it is forbidden by law to use images of banknotes shown in this "flat" way, and I am not sure that even with "specimen" written on it it will change something.

Edit: with "specimen" on it it should be okay, but there are still some rules to respect.
http://ec.europa.eu/economy_finance/euro/cash/reproduction/index_en.htm

luissantos84 · « **Reply #7 on:** June 03, 2013, 13:55 »

there are some online approved a few days ago (139661971)

Poncke v2 · « **Reply #8 on:** June 03, 2013, 13:56 »

I looked it up, you have to add the word specimen if you want to shoot it like this.
I cant find the link anymore.

Beppe Grillo · « **Reply #9 on:** June 03, 2013, 13:56 »

You are right

But: "the resolution of the electronic reproduction in its original size does not exceed 72 dpi (dots per inch)"

http://ec.europa.eu/economy_finance/euro/cash/reproduction/index_en.htm

Poncke v2 · « **Reply #10 on:** June 03, 2013, 14:03 »

Thats not composition tho

If that was the problem they should have said trademark or copyright or whatever. As Luis pointed out, other images are accepted. I think its a case of a pissed off reviewer. Attila.

So basically if I dont add any images, I will get the same money, but no time wasted. Since new images arent selling and submitted images are not accepted, my portfolio will grow old and probably make me more money in the end. LOL

heywoody · « **Reply #11 on:** June 03, 2013, 14:20 »

Dunno, I think having "SPECIMEN" printed across it might qualify as a composition rejection

JPSDK · « **Reply #12 on:** June 03, 2013, 15:08 »

Be happy you are not arrested.

Mactrunk · « **Reply #13 on:** June 03, 2013, 16:02 »

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" accepted images not selling". heck! this is old news. been going on all through May and more. its all over the SS forum. Where have you been mate?
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I am not seeing this at all. With every 10 - 15 images I upload there are always one or 2 that pick up the same or the next day and most within a week. Fotolia is the same. That is what I love on Shutterstock. You know within days if your images are any good.

falstafff · « **Reply #14 on:** June 03, 2013, 16:08 »

Quote from: Mactrunk on June 03, 2013, 16:02

" accepted images not selling". heck! this is old news. been going on all through May and more. its all over the SS forum. Where have you been mate?
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I am not seeing this at all. With every 10 - 15 images I upload there are always one or 2 that pick up the same or the next day and most within a week. Fotolia is the same. That is what I love on Shutterstock. You know within days if your images are any good.
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Oh well mac, youre alright then. Myself and Ron, were only kidding around.

Poncke v2 · « **Reply #15 on:** June 03, 2013, 16:12 »

Quote from: Mactrunk on June 03, 2013, 16:02

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" accepted images not selling". heck! this is old news. been going on all through May and more. its all over the SS forum. Where have you been mate?

I am not seeing this at all. With every 10 - 15 images I upload there are always one or 2 that pick up the same or the next day and most within a week. Fotolia is the same. That is what I love on Shutterstock. You know within days if your images are any good.

So everyone complaining their new images are not selling are submitting crapstock?

gbalex · « **Reply #16 on:** June 03, 2013, 17:13 »

The consensus seems to be that very similar new content is selling when uploaded to some ports, while the same type and quality of content is not selling when uploaded to other ports.

gillian vann · « **Reply #17 on:** June 03, 2013, 18:20 »

i've had a few weird rejections, asking for artists' property release on generic items. I recently did a little shoot for a giftware shop and anything that was generic enough I threw into stock. some of the stuff is no doubt banged out by the millions in China, hardly a bespoke artistic item! (another was a "yum" tag on a cupcake)

meh, their sandbox; others have accepted them. adds a little diversity to your port on different sites

Beppe Grillo · « **Reply #18 on:** June 03, 2013, 23:02 »

Quote from: gillian on June 03, 2013, 18:20

adds a little diversity to your port on different sites

This is a good philosophy!
I should learn to think more like this

Les · « **Reply #19 on:** June 04, 2013, 00:09 »

Quote from: Poncke v2 on June 03, 2013, 13:39

Rejected for composition

No wonder, the number 5 is clearly not in the right spot.
You should reposition it exactly in two thirds on both axis.

gillian vann · « **Reply #20 on:** June 04, 2013, 03:20 »

Quote from: Beppe Grillo on June 03, 2013, 23:02

Quote from: gillian on June 03, 2013, 18:20
adds a little diversity to your port on different sites
This is a good philosophy!
I should learn to think more like this

it's either that or bang your head against the table. (wasn't the ponke's last avatar)

yeah, it's a bit of a rubbish reason, but they don't want it.

Poncke v2 · « **Reply #21 on:** June 04, 2013, 04:47 »

I agree, problem is that SS just sells the most of the images, I want my images to be on SS. One image is rejected first for lighting and then for composition, I think its a very good image that captured the scene perfectly. They didnt like the angle. My argument is, do you want a million of the same angle, or a different approach, like they advocate on Shutterbuzz? I will post the image later.

I have to say I am in love with my Symbiostock site. I was uploading images yesterday and realized there are no reviewers. I uploaded the image and made it a featured image straight away. LOL. So now its exclusive as well and it will net me 100% (if I ever find a buyer

) , the feeling was good none the less.

gillian vann · « **Reply #22 on:** June 04, 2013, 05:04 »

i'll have to look into it one day, when I feel like banging my head against something - i dislike making websites.

Mactrunk · « **Reply #23 on:** June 04, 2013, 05:42 »

Quote from: Poncke v2 on June 03, 2013, 16:12

Quote from: Mactrunk on June 03, 2013, 16:02

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" accepted images not selling". heck! this is old news. been going on all through May and more. its all over the SS forum. Where have you been mate?

I am not seeing this at all. With every 10 - 15 images I upload there are always one or 2 that pick up the same or the next day and most within a week. Fotolia is the same. That is what I love on Shutterstock. You know within days if your images are any good.
So everyone complaining their new images are not selling are submitting crapstock?

Wow... your are really taking this the wrong way!? Thats not what I said and meant but reading my last line I guess I do understand that you can read it like that. I was just responding to your topic. If someone is saying that they had bad sales and another person is responding saying he had good sales is he also saying the rest has crap images? I guess your topic is inviting for people to tell there experience and I still have good experiences with SS.

I think I meant: I always know within days if MY images are any good.

I'm sorry if I sounded offending. This was not my intention.

Mantis · « **Reply #24 on:** June 04, 2013, 07:28 »

Quote from: gillian on June 04, 2013, 05:04

i'll have to look into it one day, when I feel like banging my head against something - i dislike making websites.

Totally with you. I am not a web techie at all and would have to farm something out to get this done. But I want to do it so I plan to this year. I just have a lot going on, great white shark diving trip coming up, remote Fiji coming up and some cold water trips coming up. Year is already packed and I'm sure that even though I'd not do the site myself I'd need to be around as "creative director"....

Poncke v2 · « **Reply #25 on:** June 04, 2013, 07:31 »

Quote from: gillian on June 04, 2013, 05:04

i'll have to look into it one day, when I feel like banging my head against something - i dislike making websites.

I never found the right tool to do it, and it was always more difficult then expected, it never looked as promised, and it was way more work than planned. However, Symbiostock is none of that. It does exactly what it says on the tin. My site was basically customer ready with 2 evenings of work. Honestly, I am hooked, I love it. Cant wait to get back home and work on it. Why? Because its going to be rewarding to get 100%, its such a strange feeling not having to look at 33 cent downloads or getting 23% royalty or whatever. And not dealing with stupid rejections. I was skeptical at first but I will be Symbiostock biggest fan. Leo did a tremendous job. Unreal.

Poncke v2 · « **Reply #26 on:** June 04, 2013, 07:33 »

Quote from: Mactrunk on June 04, 2013, 05:42

Quote from: Poncke v2 on June 03, 2013, 16:12
Quote from: Mactrunk on June 03, 2013, 16:02

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" accepted images not selling". heck! this is old news. been going on all through May and more. its all over the SS forum. Where have you been mate?

I am not seeing this at all. With every 10 - 15 images I upload there are always one or 2 that pick up the same or the next day and most within a week. Fotolia is the same. That is what I love on Shutterstock. You know within days if your images are any good.
So everyone complaining their new images are not selling are submitting crapstock?

Wow... your are really taking this the wrong way!? Thats not what I said and meant but reading my last line I guess I do understand that you can read it like that. I was just responding to your topic. If someone is saying that they had bad sales and another person is responding saying he had good sales is he also saying the rest has crap images? I guess your topic is inviting for people to tell there experience and I still have good experiences with SS.

I think I meant: I always know within days if MY images are any good.

I'm sorry if I sounded offending. This was not my intention.

Sorry Mac, when I read it again, I may have picked it up the wrong way in the first place.

No offense taken

Mantis · « **Reply #27 on:** June 04, 2013, 07:34 »

Quote from: Poncke v2 on June 04, 2013, 07:31

Quote from: gillian on June 04, 2013, 05:04
i'll have to look into it one day, when I feel like banging my head against something - i dislike making websites.
I never found the right tool to do it, and it was always more difficult then expected, it never looked as promised, and it was way more work than planned. However, Symbiostock is none of that. It does exactly what it says on the tin. My site was basically customer ready with 2 evenings of work. Honestly, I am hooked, I love it. Cant wait to get back home and work on it. Why? Because its going to be rewarding to get 100%, its such a strange feeling not having to look at 33 cent downloads or getting 23% royalty or whatever. And not dealing with stupid rejections. I was skeptical at first but I will be Symbiostock biggest fan. Leo did a tremendous job. Unreal.

I hope that's how I feel when I get my site done.

Poncke v2 · « **Reply #28 on:** June 04, 2013, 07:35 »

Poncke v2 · « **Reply #29 on:** June 04, 2013, 11:04 »

After a quick back and forth with Jens here ...

Quote from: Poncke v2 on June 04, 2013, 09:40

Quote from: JPSDK on June 04, 2013, 08:43

Or perspective
Take everything from below, like the before mentioned hand with a cup of coffee.
Or from above.

I like your thinking, but those are exactly the shots that I got rejected on shutterstock. They dont seem to like different perspectives. Thats exactly the issue I am running into at the moment. It all needs to be familiar looking. Hence the database is filled with all the same looking images. Your advice is spot on, but its really depending on the mood of the reviewer to agree with that. The last reviewers at SS didnt agree

...I am posting the image I was referring to.

Rejected for lighting, fixed a bright spot in the face, rejected for composition. The angle is considered to be weird.

JPSDK · « **Reply #30 on:** June 04, 2013, 11:08 »

had you turned him 30 degrees North.

Poncke v2 · « **Reply #31 on:** June 04, 2013, 11:10 »

Quote from: JPSDK on June 04, 2013, 11:08

had you turned him 30 degrees North.

?

JPSDK · « **Reply #32 on:** June 04, 2013, 11:34 »

ja, with the right angle you could have used the paper as a reflector.
then you would have gotten no shadows on his neck and a couple of steps that would have kept the paper in dof.

luissantos84 · « **Reply #33 on:** June 04, 2013, 11:37 »

REJECTED (trademark)

APPROVED (other contributor)

Poncke v2 · « **Reply #34 on:** June 04, 2013, 11:38 »

The paper is outside the DOF because of copyright issues with the text. This way you cant read it. As for shadows, I think some agencies are too strict about it, I have no issues with the shadows since all detail is still present.

Poncke v2 · « **Reply #35 on:** June 04, 2013, 11:39 »

With angle they meant the way I shot down on him.

WarrenPrice · « **Reply #36 on:** June 04, 2013, 11:41 »

Quote from: Poncke v2 on June 04, 2013, 11:39

With angle they meant the way I shot down on him.

Are you getting such detailed comments on rejections?
Mine seem to be canned comments.

Poncke v2 · « **Reply #37 on:** June 04, 2013, 11:54 »

Quote from: WarrenPrice on June 04, 2013, 11:41

Quote from: Poncke v2 on June 04, 2013, 11:39
With angle they meant the way I shot down on him.

Are you getting such detailed comments on rejections?
Mine seem to be canned comments.

I asked SS for more detail because I didnt agree with most of the rejections. Of my last 24 images I only had 13 accepted. 40% rejections is something I never had before. The last batch even 100%

stockastic · « **Reply #38 on:** June 04, 2013, 17:08 »

I just got a pretty weird 'lighting' rejection. For a long time I was 90% or better with SS, now it's totally hit-or-miss. It's really killed my motivation.

Poncke v2 · « **Reply #39 on:** June 04, 2013, 17:22 »

Quote from: stockastic on June 04, 2013, 17:08

I just got a pretty weird 'lighting' rejection. For a long time I was 90% or better with SS, now it's totally hit-or-miss. It's really killed my motivation.

Thats basically the reason I started this thread. Luckily I found other things to motivate me.

gillian vann · « **Reply #40 on:** June 04, 2013, 17:36 »

Quote from: JPSDK on June 04, 2013, 11:34

ja, with the right angle you could have used the paper as a reflector.
then you would have gotten no shadows on his neck and a couple of steps that would have kept the paper in dof.

at that angle the paper would still be reflecting light. i doubt very much a reflected newspaper would remove that shadow caused by the sun. and your subject would probably be squinting... dunno, perhaps they just didn't like it, but they don't have a "we're just not that in this" button to press?

someone does have something like that "we aren't interested in this image"... is it DP? makes me smile.

stockastic · « **Reply #41 on:** June 04, 2013, 17:44 »

I think they feel like they've arrived at a certain 'look' that they think sells, and that look is 'bland'. Nothing with any shadows, any hint of 'creative' lighting. Infinite DOF, everything in focus, forget the laws of optics - even in macro shots. (I've used focus stacking to get a couple approved).

They just want everything 'flat' in the sense of no depth - evenly lit, evenly sharp, pastel colors, nothing standing out or grabbing attention.

Why they'd approve one guy's subway sign and reject another is a totally different matter. They probably need to get all the reviewers on the same page and reduce the turnover.

JPSDK · « **Reply #42 on:** June 04, 2013, 18:10 »

Newspapers are probably the most used reflecors in photography at all times.

ruxpriencdiam · « **Reply #43 on:** June 04, 2013, 19:40 »

Quote from: JPSDK on June 04, 2013, 18:10

Newspapers are probably the most used reflecors in photography at all times.

Jens you are trying to get through a brick wall that wont let you!☺

JPSDK · « **Reply #44 on:** June 04, 2013, 20:07 »

Let it be a white brick wall then, so it can be used as a reflector.

gillian vann · « **Reply #45 on:** June 04, 2013, 20:31 »

Quote from: JPSDK on June 04, 2013, 18:10

Newspapers are probably the most used reflecors in photography at all times.

I remember at college our teacher saying something like this but personally, AFM the styrofoam box lid far outweighs the newspaper as a reflector.

yes, I think SS and iS (and DT) have their own styles, I don't see that as a bad thing as it gives each site its own flavour. I sell things on 123 that don't sell anywhere else, it's weird but I like it that way. It means most of what you shoot will find a home somewhere.

JPSDK · « **Reply #46 on:** June 04, 2013, 20:48 »

Sure, there are many things that are better than newspapers, but newspapers are often at hand when you need them.

And then can be used in quite an advanced way.
Fx the pages are not the same and the misture of black letters, images and white space can add to the quality of the reflection.
Not to mention if there is a colour photo on the page.
Plus they can be folded and such direct light from more than one direction.

luissantos84 · « **Reply #47 on:** June 04, 2013, 20:58 »

Quote from: JPSDK on June 04, 2013, 20:48

Sure, there are many things that are better than newspapers, but newspapers are often at hand when you need them.

And then can be used in quite an advanced way.
Fx the pages are not the same and the misture of black letters, images and white space can add to the quality of the reflection.
Not to mention if there is a colour photo on the page.
Plus they can be folded and such direct light from more than one direction.

you keep on trying to teach us all how the world works but that was so boooring, you kind of remind me of Sheldon from The Big Bang Theory with long speeches and stuff but I think he is funny

JPSDK · « **Reply #48 on:** June 04, 2013, 21:06 »

Hello there!
I just try to help and pass on some of the tricks I have learned.

I tried to be helpful, and then Im told its boring.

You may want to think about how fertile your comments are for the forum.

luissantos84 · « **Reply #49 on:** June 04, 2013, 21:11 »

Quote from: JPSDK on June 04, 2013, 21:06

Hello there!
I just try to help and pass on some of the tricks I have learned.

I tried to be helpful, and then Im told its boring.

You may want to think about how fertile your comments are for the forum.

keep writing poetry

ruxpriencdiam · « **Reply #50 on:** June 04, 2013, 21:12 »

Quote from: JPSDK on June 04, 2013, 20:48

Sure, there are many things that are better than newspapers, but newspapers are often at hand when you need them.

And then can be used in quite an advanced way.
Fx the pages are not the same and the misture of black letters, images and white space can add to the quality of the reflection.
Not to mention if there is a colour photo on the page.
Plus they can be folded and such direct light from more than one direction.

This is also why there are things like white and black handkerchiefs.

And they can easily be carried in the camera bag and used in many way.

Improvise no matter what you have at hand you can probably use it to your advantage.

Jens you are fine.

There are others here that are well lets not say because they will start to cry.

luissantos84 · « **Reply #51 on:** June 04, 2013, 21:17 »

Quote from: ruxpriencdiam on June 04, 2013, 21:12

There are others here that are well lets not say because they will start to cry.

I have no problem in telling who you are, you are pretty much the microstock rock star, go and help the critique section at SS big boy coz you never cry, that would make you less man

ruxpriencdiam · « **Reply #52 on:** June 04, 2013, 21:19 »

Was I talking to you?

Didn't think so.

JPSDK · « **Reply #53 on:** June 04, 2013, 21:38 »

Im getting tired of the personal attacks from some people here.

gillian vann · « **Reply #54 on:** June 05, 2013, 01:01 »

ditto, although I do find it endearing to read the insults from non-English speakers, some are quite poetic.

Silken Photography · « **Reply #55 on:** June 05, 2013, 18:35 »

Quote from: JPSDK on June 04, 2013, 21:38

Im getting tired of the personal attacks from some people here.

Personally, I found your ideas on how to use a newspaper interesting, I hadn't thought of that before. The random attack on your comment afterwards is what I found boring.

Les · « **Reply #56 on:** June 05, 2013, 21:13 »

Quote from: JPSDK on June 04, 2013, 21:06

Hello there!
I just try to help and pass on some of the tricks I have learned.

I tried to be helpful, and then Im told its boring.

You may want to think about how fertile your comments are for the forum.

Fertile - that needs some elaboration

prolific OR saturated with manure?

grsphoto · « **Reply #57 on:** June 05, 2013, 21:32 »

Quote from: gillian on June 04, 2013, 05:04

i'll have to look into it one day, when I feel like banging my head against something - i dislike making websites.

The thing about the Symbiostock idea is that is is relatively quick and easy... Leo has done all the hard work for you.

An experienced web/ wordpress person may take 1 hour to set it up.... a novice maybe a few days... but the thing is your site doesn't have to look good since the search from other sites will ( hopefully) be what brings the buyers.

Sorry for the thread hi-jack

RacePhoto · « **Reply #58 on:** June 05, 2013, 23:52 »

Quote from: Poncke v2 on June 03, 2013, 16:12

So everyone complaining their new images are not selling are submitting crapstock?

Everyone or just some people who never stop complaining? Some of us are doing better than ever.

You blame the reviews, then the search algorithm, then the review acceptance day, file numbers, and sometimes other people for stealing your ideas. (like your discovery of FAA) Have you ever considered it's what you are uploading and yourself?

Good move to Symbiostock and I'll dive in this Fall when I have time. I expect it's going to be a couple of nights and few days for me, and I have website experience, but none with Wordpress and I've been warned it can be quirky at first. I want to make sure I have time to concentrate. Hope it works out for you.

Quote from: grsphoto on June 05, 2013, 21:32

Quote from: gillian on June 04, 2013, 05:04
i'll have to look into it one day, when I feel like banging my head against something - i dislike making websites.

The thing about the Symbiostock idea is that is is relatively quick and easy... Leo has done all the hard work for you.

An experienced web/ wordpress person may take 1 hour to set it up.... a novice maybe a few days... but the thing is your site doesn't have to look good since the search from other sites will ( hopefully) be what brings the buyers.

Sorry for the thread hi-jack

Promoting Symbiostock can't be called a hijack on any thread can it?

Poncke v2 · « **Reply #59 on:** June 06, 2013, 03:49 »

Quote from: RacePhoto on June 05, 2013, 23:52

Quote from: Poncke v2 on June 03, 2013, 16:12
So everyone complaining their new images are not selling are submitting crapstock?

Everyone or just some people who never stop complaining? Some of us are doing better than ever.

You blame the reviews, then the search algorithm, then the review acceptance day, file numbers, and sometimes other people for stealing your ideas. Have you ever considered it's what you are uploading and yourself?

Good move to Symbiostock and I'll dive in this Fall when I have time. I expect it's going to be a couple of nights and few days for me, and I have website experience, but none with Wordpress and I've been warned it can be quirky at first. I want to make sure I have time to concentrate. Hope that works for you Semmick.

I never blamed any poor sales to people stealing ideas, and I have indeed always tried to figure out what the best practice is to increase sales. Like most people. Why wouldnt I figure out the best way to increase sales?

fotografer · « **Reply #60 on:** June 06, 2013, 04:08 »

Quote from: Poncke v2 on June 06, 2013, 03:49

Why wouldnt I figure out the best way to increase sales?

The only way to significantly increase sales is to upload lots of great quality, great concept images that are well keyworded.

Poncke v2 · « **Reply #61 on:** June 06, 2013, 04:47 »

Quote from: fotografer on June 06, 2013, 04:08

Quote from: Poncke v2 on June 06, 2013, 03:49

Why wouldnt I figure out the best way to increase sales?
The only way to significantly increase sales is to upload lots of great quality, great concept images that are well keyworded.

Of course, but you cant deny that the agencies have a big influence on sales. Check the SS forum, loads of people with big ports with extremely high quality images and vectors are down significantly. What about IS? Did all those people shooting extremely high quality stuff all of a sudden submit crap? I like to believe not.

But if I get 100% rejections and new stuff isnt picking up any sales, you need to figure out whats wrong. I dont need someone telling me that I am the problem. I am constantly changing what I shoot, and my work is improving, but most of all I shoot what I love. I am not going to do isolated table top work, just because it sells. That has nothing do to with complaining, I just need to be passionate about the subject otherwise I cant give it my all.

Loads of people mistake figuring out something or questioning something with complaining. And its those people that just plod on getting no where because they accept everything thats happening around them. Fair enough, they are probably happy people, but dont they dont need to get the idea they that they have to lecture people. Live and let live.

fotografer · « **Reply #62 on:** June 06, 2013, 05:27 »

double post

fotografer · « **Reply #63 on:** June 06, 2013, 05:28 »

Quote from: fotografer on June 06, 2013, 05:27

Quote from: Poncke v2 on June 06, 2013, 04:47
Quote from: fotografer on June 06, 2013, 04:08
Quote from: Poncke v2 on June 06, 2013, 03:49

Why wouldnt I figure out the best way to increase sales?
The only way to significantly increase sales is to upload lots of great quality, great concept images that are well keyworded.
Of course, but you cant deny that the agencies have a big influence on sales. Check the SS forum, loads of people with big ports with extremely high quality images and vectors are down significantly. What about IS? Did all those people shooting extremely high quality stuff all of a sudden submit crap? I like to believe not.

But if I get 100% rejections and new stuff isnt picking up any sales, you need to figure out whats wrong. I dont need someone telling me that I am the problem. I am constantly changing what I shoot, and my work is improving, but most of all I shoot what I love. I am not going to do isolated table top work, just because it sells. That has nothing do to with complaining, I just need to be passionate about the subject otherwise I cant give it my all.

Loads of people mistake figuring out something or questioning something with complaining. And its those people that just plod on getting no where because they accept everything thats happening around them. Fair enough, they are probably happy people, but dont they dont need to get the idea they that they have to lecture people. Live and let live.
Don't be so touchy, it wasn't meant as a critisism as I have never seen your work and I'm sorry that you took it that way. My point is that the things that the agencies do are out of our power to do anything about. I have been hit very badly by site changes but there is zero that we can do about changing that. About the only thing that we can do to help is to improve our work and keywording and upload as many good quality image as possible . I don't deny that the agencies have a big influence on it but there is nothing we can do about that so all I am saying is concentrate on the things that you can change and not waste time on things that you can't.

Poncke v2 · « **Reply #64 on:** June 06, 2013, 05:34 »

I didnt take it as criticism, I just responded to your comment and got carried away. It was also a more general comment, and not really directed at you personal.

I know I can only influence what is under my own control, but if the agency rejects 100% of that, then there is nothing else left then to ask for support within the micro stock community. Which sometimes is daunting as every thread ends up in arguments.

Maybe you are right, asking for support here in this forum is moot as all you get is stomped on as Race Photo just demonstrated. Not to mention the crap Jens gets for just offering his advice.

I am closing this account now and will come back under my real name. I am done with this endless arguing.

fotografer · « **Reply #65 on:** June 06, 2013, 05:37 »

Wow I'm shocked if you thought that what was meant as advice is argueing. My only point was change the things you can and don't waste time worrying about the rest. If you think that is argueing then I truly am sorry

ruxpriencdiam · « **Reply #66 on:** June 06, 2013, 09:20 »

Simply dont listen to or pay any attention to any one who is complaining sales are down.

Without out proof all it is is hearsay because there is no proof given to back it up.

One day they complain about piss poor sales and the next day they are having a BDE so who cares?

Do as fotografer said and change what you can.

We have no control or knowledge of how stocks sites operate or why they do what they do and it is not for us to know this or we would be working for them behind a desk in an office somewhere.

Red Dove · « **Reply #67 on:** June 06, 2013, 09:41 »

^^^Inclined to agree as far as SS goes. My last three batches (about 70 images) had a +95% acceptance rate and sales from new images have increased month on month since I started uploading again in February 2013.

There are very few people complaining about low sales given the size of the contributor base and, with very few exceptions, it seems to be the same people every time.

ShadySue · « **Reply #68 on:** June 06, 2013, 09:51 »

Quote from: ruxpriencdiam on June 06, 2013, 09:20

Simply dont listen to or pay any attention to any one who is complaining sales are down.
Without out proof all it is is hearsay because there is no proof given to back it up.

One could say the same about people claiming sales are up.

ruxpriencdiam · « **Reply #69 on:** June 06, 2013, 09:57 »

Quote from: ShadySue on June 06, 2013, 09:51

Quote from: ruxpriencdiam on June 06, 2013, 09:20
Simply dont listen to or pay any attention to any one who is complaining sales are down.
Without out proof all it is is hearsay because there is no proof given to back it up.
One could say the same about people claiming sales are up.

True just a bunch of talk without offering up any proof.

tickstock · « **Reply #70 on:** June 06, 2013, 09:58 »

Red Dove · « **Reply #71 on:** June 06, 2013, 10:02 »

Quote from: ShadySue on June 06, 2013, 09:51

Quote from: ruxpriencdiam on June 06, 2013, 09:20
Simply dont listen to or pay any attention to any one who is complaining sales are down.
Without out proof all it is is hearsay because there is no proof given to back it up.
One could say the same about people claiming sales are up.

One could. Since they often turn out to be the very same people who complained about poor sales the week before.

luissantos84 · « **Reply #72 on:** June 06, 2013, 10:16 »

Quote from: Red Dove on June 06, 2013, 10:02

Quote from: ShadySue on June 06, 2013, 09:51
Quote from: ruxpriencdiam on June 06, 2013, 09:20
Simply dont listen to or pay any attention to any one who is complaining sales are down.
Without out proof all it is is hearsay because there is no proof given to back it up.
One could say the same about people claiming sales are up.

One could. Since they often turn out to be the very same people who complained about poor sales the week before.

jackpoooooooooooooooooooooooot

ShadySue · « **Reply #73 on:** June 06, 2013, 11:55 »

Quote from: tickstock on June 06, 2013, 09:58

Quote from: ShadySue on June 06, 2013, 09:51
Quote from: ruxpriencdiam on June 06, 2013, 09:20
Simply dont listen to or pay any attention to any one who is complaining sales are down.
Without out proof all it is is hearsay because there is no proof given to back it up.
One could say the same about people claiming sales are up.
Would screen shots of our sales be good enough or do you need notarized copies of our bank statements?

Don't ask me. I was only pointing out the argument cuts both ways.

ShadySue · « **Reply #74 on:** June 06, 2013, 12:00 »

Quote from: luissantos84 on June 06, 2013, 10:16

Quote from: Red Dove on June 06, 2013, 10:02
Quote from: ShadySue on June 06, 2013, 09:51
Quote from: ruxpriencdiam on June 06, 2013, 09:20
Simply dont listen to or pay any attention to any one who is complaining sales are down.
Without out proof all it is is hearsay because there is no proof given to back it up.
One could say the same about people claiming sales are up.

One could. Since they often turn out to be the very same people who complained about poor sales the week before.

jackpoooooooooooooooooooooooot

That's mainly Lagereek and his alter egos.

RacePhoto · « **Reply #75 on:** June 06, 2013, 13:00 »

Sorry if I was frustrated with the unsubstantiated claims, day after day. The "everyone" was a little too much. Picky picky, my problem for using English literally and trying to be accurate. Blaming everyone and everything else (hmm, now I'm guilty of the same) OK blaming the agency and some outside forces, unknown algorithms, tests, plus rumors and old superstitions, just seems heartily unproductive and a waste of time and energy.

It's not about the source it's about the trend of making negative and critical claims, day after day, for a year. Hopefully Poncke V3 will come back refreshed and a little more positive.

Here's what it should have said: If you are going to make claims, please provide some evidence to back it up. I mean 100% rejection and new images not selling the OP Subject, is a bit overstated?

Not that I'm getting rich but sales on SS are three times what they were for the same months last year... for myself! I don't claim that it goes for everyone equally. I have no issues with reviews, searches, or the fact that I'm making peanuts for subs. I knew that going in, otherwise I wouldn't have joined SS in the first place.

As a note, sales are down 60% on IS since last year. And for the picky at heart, they are called sales on the sites and in the income reports, it's sales of licenses, so the usage of the word "sales" is fine. We don't sell images, we sell licenses for use of the images.

Odd how it looks like a v7 of Lagereek some days, but I'm sure each of them would find that amusing as the two are quite different animals.

Quote from: ShadySue on June 06, 2013, 12:00

Quote from: luissantos84 on June 06, 2013, 10:16
Quote from: Red Dove on June 06, 2013, 10:02
Quote from: ShadySue on June 06, 2013, 09:51
Quote from: ruxpriencdiam on June 06, 2013, 09:20
Simply dont listen to or pay any attention to any one who is complaining sales are down.
Without out proof all it is is hearsay because there is no proof given to back it up.
One could say the same about people claiming sales are up.

One could. Since they often turn out to be the very same people who complained about poor sales the week before.

jackpoooooooooooooooooooooooot
That's mainly Lagereek and his alter egos.

ShadySue · « **Reply #76 on:** June 06, 2013, 13:11 »

You have lost me completely.
I don't think you're ruxperiencdiam, so are you telling me you are RedDove?
You do incredibly well at totally confusing me.

Quote from: RacePhoto on June 06, 2013, 13:00

Sorry if I was frustrated with the unsubstantiated claims, day after day. The "everyone" was a little too much. Picky picky, my problem for using English literally and trying to be accurate. Blaming everyone and everything else (hmm, now I'm guilty of the same) OK blaming the agency and some outside forces, unknown algorithms, tests, plus rumors and old superstitions, just seems heartily unproductive and a waste of time and energy.

It's not about the source it's about the trend of making negative and critical claims, day after day, for a year. Hopefully Poncke V3 will come back refreshed and a little more positive.

Here's what it should have said: If you are going to make claims, please provide some evidence to back it up. I mean 100% rejection and new images not selling the OP Subject, is a bit overstated?

Not that I'm getting rich but sales on SS are three times what they were for the same months last year... for myself! I don't claim that it goes for everyone equally. I have no issues with reviews, searches, or the fact that I'm making peanuts for subs. I knew that going in, otherwise I wouldn't have joined SS in the first place.

As a note, sales are down 60% on IS since last year. And for the picky at heart, they are called sales on the sites and in the income reports, it's sales of licenses, so the usage of the word "sales" is fine. We don't sell images, we sell licenses for use of the images.

Odd how it looks like a v7 of Lagereek some days, but I'm sure each of them would find that amusing as the two are quite different animals.

Quote from: ShadySue on June 06, 2013, 12:00
Quote from: luissantos84 on June 06, 2013, 10:16
Quote from: Red Dove on June 06, 2013, 10:02
Quote from: ShadySue on June 06, 2013, 09:51
Quote from: ruxpriencdiam on June 06, 2013, 09:20
Simply dont listen to or pay any attention to any one who is complaining sales are down.
Without out proof all it is is hearsay because there is no proof given to back it up.
One could say the same about people claiming sales are up.

One could. Since they often turn out to be the very same people who complained about poor sales the week before.

jackpoooooooooooooooooooooooot
That's mainly Lagereek and his alter egos.

Red Dove · « **Reply #77 on:** June 06, 2013, 13:40 »

He's not me and Lagereek is over at SS bleating about sales, making threats to stop uploading and in the next breath boasting about four figure individual sales through RM. I'm sure if some of us had access to oil refineries and whatnot we could give him something material to whine about. He's not all that.

Imagenomad · « **Reply #78 on:** June 06, 2013, 15:27 »

I wish I was a scriptwriter. I'd have enough material in this place to script an Oscar winning film and a few sequels.

And I'd probably squeeze a prequel or two out too. Different angles with a vintage look and all that.

ShadySue · « **Reply #79 on:** June 06, 2013, 15:33 »

Quote from: Red Dove on June 06, 2013, 13:40

He's not me and Lagereek is over at SS bleating about sales, making threats to stop uploading and in the next breath boasting about four figure individual sales through RM.

No change there, then.

gostwyck · « **Reply #80 on:** June 06, 2013, 15:39 »

Quote from: Red Dove on June 06, 2013, 13:40

He's not me and Lagereek is over at SS bleating about sales, making threats to stop uploading and in the next breath boasting about four figure individual sales through RM. I'm sure if some of us had access to oil refineries and whatnot we could give him something material to whine about. He's not all that.

You have to take his 'numbers' with a fairly hefty sack of salt of course. He was claiming to have earned five figure numbers on FAA in the previous year ... when in fact he'd only opened his acccout the day before and had no portfolio there. He does it all the time.

gdvcom · « **Reply #81 on:** June 08, 2013, 11:36 »

Quote from: Poncke v2 on June 03, 2013, 09:20

So my latest batch of 7 images was 100% rejected. This batch also contained a few resubmits from a previous batch of 24 images which had about 40% rejected. The images rejected for lighting (fixed it) were now rejected for composition. One of the latest rejections was composition on an isolation of the new 5 euro note.

My approval rate on SS was 90% for a long time. So not perfect, but I knew basically what would get in and what not. At the moment I am lost as all of a sudden my acceptance rate is far below my average.

And from the latest 100 accepted images, I am not seeing any sales, well, I think I sold 2 or 3 images of which 1 is picking up sales. These 100 images were people images (seniors, kids, moms) and images of landmarks in Dublin, Ireland.

So with accepted images not selling, and my latest batch 100% rejected, whats the use?

I will post a few images later.

This is not my reality. SS as always sell and the acceptance is very fair for me. i often try things that i wouldn't on istock or fotolia and they get accepted. Im not a big contributor yet (950 files) but SS is without a doubt the site that make me love this business.

I think it's fabulous to wake up in the morning and see that you sold 30 images while you where sleeping.

The map is awsome too. For myself SS have always sell more and more it is far away my favourite!

A.Belec

Portfolio: newbielink:http://www.shutterstock.com/cat.mhtml?gallery_id=751852 [nonactive]

farbled · « **Reply #82 on:** June 08, 2013, 11:46 »

Quote from: Imagenomad on June 06, 2013, 15:27

I wish I was a scriptwriter. I'd have enough material in this place to script an Oscar winning film and a few sequels.

And I'd probably squeeze a prequel or two out too. Different angles with a vintage look and all that.

I'd watch that! Who would you cast in what role if you could pick?

robhainer · « **Reply #83 on:** June 11, 2013, 14:58 »

Have to agree on the rejection for the newspaper reader -- lighting, comp, commercial value. Shade lighting, with the guy wearing clothing, having some coffee, maybe reacting to something he read. Would have been better. Not enough story in that shot aside from the technical problems. Need to set up your scene and cheat it a little more.

I have no problem with the use of shadow or direct sun lighting, if it fits the subject. Easter egg hunt, sports photo, beach, anything similar, direct lighting works.

Me, I would avoid bright sunlight to read a paper; assuming I would even bother with a paper rather than a pad.

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