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Title: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Shelma1 on March 10, 2018, 07:59
I'm hoping there's just a reporting lag. Saturdays are slow, but not THIS slow...zero sales so far today. Anyone?
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Liorpt on March 10, 2018, 08:08
Also at zero, I expect 10 for slow Saturdays, at least 10


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Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: disq on March 10, 2018, 08:14
I can see sales on world map but nothing is snown in earnings.. Temporary glitch I guess.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: SuperPhoto on March 10, 2018, 08:21
For which site(s)? I had a $3 video sale.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: increasingdifficulty on March 10, 2018, 08:22
For which site(s)? I had a $3 video sale.

Hint: what forum are you in?
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Pauws99 on March 10, 2018, 08:27
For those of you that are capped.....why does it matter? :-\
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Shelma1 on March 10, 2018, 08:29
For those of you that are capped.....why does it matter? :-\
Because we make a living at this.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Pauws99 on March 10, 2018, 08:31
For those of you that are capped.....why does it matter? :-\
Because we make a living at this.
But apparently you already know what you will get at the end of the month?
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Shelma1 on March 10, 2018, 08:38
For those of you that are capped.....why does it matter? :-\
Because we make a living at this.
But apparently you already know what you will get at the end of the month?

What's your point? I'm asking if others have the same experience. It will be a relief if it's a temporary reporting glitch and not another search change. Take your snarkiness elsewhere.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: SuperPhoto on March 10, 2018, 08:52
For which site(s)? I had a $3 video sale.

Hint: what forum are you in?

Ah, cool. I didn't look at the forum (just the 'main posts' that pop up when you log in here)... so.. lemme guess... shuttrrstock?
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Dumc on March 10, 2018, 08:53
I have 1 sale showing on a map but not on earnings table.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: chess1master on March 10, 2018, 08:56
Expected sales for saturday:  10-30
Total sales today:  0
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on March 10, 2018, 09:14
The app is not showing any data for today.

Yesterday was pretty much like zero.  $20.  I can't believe how far they've sunk.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: RAW on March 10, 2018, 09:27
Our one internet provider (Spectrum) is having an outage (California).
Half the sites don't load.
I guess they must be starting to tier the internet.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Mantis on March 10, 2018, 09:31
No sales reported for me, either.  However, I did recently get skunked for the first time in 10 years on SS....last month I think on a SAT.  So it wouldn't surprise me if this is a trend and we are seeing the early stages of "normality".
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: angelawaye on March 10, 2018, 09:45
Zero for me too guys ...
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: enstoker on March 10, 2018, 09:55
In EU just another slow Saturday, 66 $.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: StockbyNumbers on March 10, 2018, 10:00
I think there is some kind of reporting glitch. I got a “clip sold for first time” notification and the earning doesn’t show up in the app or online portal.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Shelma1 on March 10, 2018, 10:24
No sales reported for me, either.  However, I did recently get skunked for the first time in 10 years on SS....last month I think on a SAT.  So it wouldn't surprise me if this is a trend and we are seeing the early stages of "normality".

I doubt it's a trend...sales are showing up on the map, but not on the earnings page.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Zero Talent on March 10, 2018, 10:28
Our one internet provider (Spectrum) is having an outage (California).
Half the sites don't load.
I guess they must be starting to tier the internet.
It's about overnight European/Central Asian sales shown on the map, but not recorded yet. California is still asleep, probably.

I can also see unrecorded sales from the East Coast, on the map, now.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: LouisPhotos on March 10, 2018, 10:37
no sale for me too. wear situation.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: ngaga35 on March 10, 2018, 10:38
Me to! First time after 8 years!!!


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Post by: idesign on March 10, 2018, 11:09
Same here, zero sales  :o
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Post by: Justanotherphotographer on March 10, 2018, 11:12
Yes reporting is down. No sales showing up. Hope they are keeping track and that the buyer side is still up.
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Post by: photorobot on March 10, 2018, 11:22
Same here
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Post by: Sammy the Cat on March 10, 2018, 11:25
Zero here too  :(
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Post by: sgoodwin4813 on March 10, 2018, 12:26
Nothing for me either but the day is still young.  Yesterday was pretty good for a Friday though.
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Post by: akaza on March 10, 2018, 12:29
zero zero zero :(
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Post by: changingsky on March 10, 2018, 12:42
zero
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Post by: vectortoon on March 10, 2018, 15:58
0 Sales!!!! Yep!!!
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Zero Talent on March 10, 2018, 17:01
A file has just been "Sold for the 50th time -Today" but there are no records of it on my earnings (yet?)
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Post by: viki2win on March 10, 2018, 17:30
0 for me too  ???
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Post by: roidi on March 10, 2018, 17:34
Zero  :(
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Post by: tdezenzio on March 10, 2018, 18:04
Zero sales today for me as well!
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: josephjacobs on March 10, 2018, 19:09
No recorded sales here either, although the contributor app says otherwise. Glad to see it's not just me.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: farbled on March 10, 2018, 19:54
Zero for me, I am finding it reassuring it isn't just me.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: farbled on March 10, 2018, 19:57
For those of you that are capped.....why does it matter? :-\
Because we make a living at this.
But apparently you already know what you will get at the end of the month?
I guess it wouldn't unless you think there is a difference between getting 200 sub sales or one decent SOD. Personally, I think there is a difference in the kind of sale I get.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Artist on March 10, 2018, 23:09
There is some reporting glitch which SS is working on fix.

https://forums.submit.shutterstock.com/topic/93549-earning-update-issue/
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: ITsME on March 11, 2018, 00:24
0 as well.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: cristianstorto on March 11, 2018, 01:42
5 showed up in the map, but $ 0,00 in the earning report
They say they have some technical issues
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Dumc on March 11, 2018, 01:47
Mine earnings table Works now..
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: derek on March 11, 2018, 02:21
Something is up! first zero day in 13 years at SS, in fact the next lowest was in 2006 with $2.50......somebody I know with a port of  60K files also had a zero day, somethings cooking!
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Dumc on March 11, 2018, 02:32
Something is up! first zero day in 13 years at SS, in fact the next lowest was in 2006 with $2.50......somebody I know with a port of  60K files also had a zero day, somethings cooking!

I'd say your brains.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Sammy the Cat on March 11, 2018, 03:55
Something is up! first zero day in 13 years at SS, in fact the next lowest was in 2006 with $2.50......somebody I know with a port of  60K files also had a zero day, somethings cooking!

I'd say your brains.

Stupid vile comments are back I see
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Mir on March 11, 2018, 04:01
Since yesterday one more sale appeared for Friday but I could see the rest only on the map.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Dumc on March 11, 2018, 04:04
Something is up! first zero day in 13 years at SS, in fact the next lowest was in 2006 with $2.50......somebody I know with a port of  60K files also had a zero day, somethings cooking!

I'd say your brains.

Stupid vile comments are back I see

There are two pages about glitch in SS earnings reporting and this idiot comes out with "something is cooking". I'd say my comment was appropriate for that kind of stupidity.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: JaenStock on March 11, 2018, 04:14
Oh my god! Not Dragon Ball Super episode... not shutter sales.... i need a life... hahahah
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Liorpt on March 11, 2018, 05:16
Since yesterday one more sale appeared for Friday but I could see the rest only on the map.
Same here


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Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: YusufSangdes on March 11, 2018, 05:17
Since yesterday one more sale appeared for Friday but I could see the rest only on the map.
Same here


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I think this is unnormally...i see much sales in my map, but didnt get additional earning in my earning.


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Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Chichikov on March 11, 2018, 06:08
Sales appear on the map but are not reported in the earnings… I hope they are all enhanced sales  8)
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Chichikov on March 11, 2018, 06:08
(Double)
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Shelma1 on March 11, 2018, 06:43
Maybe we should be asking Instant Logic about the glitch. Looks like Shutterstock is doing a little outsourcing.

https://www.indeed.com/m/viewjob?jk=3e7bf73a9f3e137c (https://www.indeed.com/m/viewjob?jk=3e7bf73a9f3e137c)
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Zero Talent on March 11, 2018, 09:01
I can now see some sales for yesterday, but only about 25% of what the app reported as sold on the 10th.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Liorpt on March 11, 2018, 09:23
Saturday sales Are NOW showing in my earnings


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Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Shelma1 on March 11, 2018, 09:32
Sometimes sales are showing, but more sales are showing elsewhere, and then they disappear again. I should have known something was brewing, because Friday my images were bouncing all over the place when I checked sales and I couldn't keep track of what sold at all. So the system was on its way to crashing completely.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: helloitsme on March 11, 2018, 11:23
For which site(s)? I had a $3 video sale.

Are you smoking on Saturday?
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: helloitsme on March 11, 2018, 11:26
Now the sales from yesterday and today is showing, and then disappear and re-appear.  what is going on there?  They got some roaches in their computer systems?
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: emjaysmith on March 11, 2018, 11:33
Same thing here.
Yesterdays sales were showing but have disappeared again.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: StockbyNumbers on March 11, 2018, 13:49
Just showed the earnings again. Seems back to normal.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: derek on March 12, 2018, 02:39
Something is up! first zero day in 13 years at SS, in fact the next lowest was in 2006 with $2.50......somebody I know with a port of  60K files also had a zero day, somethings cooking!

I'd say your brains.

Hey! Soru! something is cooking! really! something is cooking!
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: derek on March 12, 2018, 02:43
Something is up! first zero day in 13 years at SS, in fact the next lowest was in 2006 with $2.50......somebody I know with a port of  60K files also had a zero day, somethings cooking!

I'd say your brains.

Stupid vile comments are back I see

Yeah nothing new. Who cares anyway that jerk have always been a cretin! been in the business 3 years and know it all! haha! ;D
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Sammy the Cat on March 12, 2018, 08:56
Well it seems the sales desert continues in to Monday.

I really give up with Shutterstock considering I found an old thread from 2011 which sang their praises on how good they were way back when; they really have effed things up well and truly these last two years.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Stock4Me on March 12, 2018, 08:58
Well it seems the sales desert continues in to Monday.

I really give up with Shutterstock considering I found an old thread from 2011 which sang their praises on how good they were way back when; they really have effed things up well and truly these last two years.

Must be local now, all my sales from Sat and Sun are in earnings this morning.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: niktol on March 12, 2018, 10:35
If there was anything wrong on Sat/Sun, it's all fine now
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: derek on March 12, 2018, 13:49
Well it seems the sales desert continues in to Monday.

I really give up with Shutterstock considering I found an old thread from 2011 which sang their praises on how good they were way back when; they really have effed things up well and truly these last two years.

Like a drought in the Sahara!
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Microstockphoto on March 12, 2018, 14:58
20 dollar in 6 days
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: jonbull on March 12, 2018, 15:03
20 dollar in 6 days

well with 80 in 6 days i feel lucky so:)

i had a great start of year then they killed best match and everything fall down. i 'm still on line with a little growth but it's so difficult.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: jonbull on March 12, 2018, 15:09
all big sale are gone ...ony left the daily 2 3 2,85 dollar....with the growth of free sites who give big images size for free who will need anymore el or spend 200 $ dollar in micro stock?
i am curious to see the next financial quarter of ss.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: ngaga35 on March 13, 2018, 03:05
I think it’s not working, again?!!


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Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Shelma1 on March 13, 2018, 08:49
Today submissions are screwed up. Submitted images disappear, then reappear, then appear back with unsubmitted images. I expect this will crash later today.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Liorpt on March 14, 2018, 00:06
My new approved files have no title and no keywords...


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Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: derek on March 14, 2018, 04:41
Its not the usual tons of bugs and glitches we are seeing at SS right now I spoke to somebody with 100% insight of this and he said thousands of ports are affected with either zero or really low earnings?? wouldnt say what it was though! just saying!

Now I dont want any ghost buster coming along with the same bunch of crap because I am just forwarding some info I got hold of.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: KuriousKat on March 14, 2018, 05:52
Its not the usual tons of bugs and glitches we are seeing at SS right now I spoke to somebody with 100% insight of this and he said thousands of ports are affected with either zero or really low earnings?? wouldnt say what it was though! just saying!

Now I dont want any ghost buster coming along with the same bunch of crap because I am just forwarding some info I got hold of.

I must be in the 'really low' group, and yesterday and today have totally tanked - down by about 75% over the usual day. Did your friend give any insight as to when we might expect this to be fixed?
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: derek on March 14, 2018, 07:31
Its not the usual tons of bugs and glitches we are seeing at SS right now I spoke to somebody with 100% insight of this and he said thousands of ports are affected with either zero or really low earnings?? wouldnt say what it was though! just saying!

Now I dont want any ghost buster coming along with the same bunch of crap because I am just forwarding some info I got hold of.

I must be in the 'really low' group, and yesterday and today have totally tanked - down by about 75% over the usual day. Did your friend give any insight as to when we might expect this to be fixed?

Same here!
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: KuriousKat on March 14, 2018, 08:37
Its not the usual tons of bugs and glitches we are seeing at SS right now I spoke to somebody with 100% insight of this and he said thousands of ports are affected with either zero or really low earnings?? wouldnt say what it was though! just saying!

Now I dont want any ghost buster coming along with the same bunch of crap because I am just forwarding some info I got hold of.

I must be in the 'really low' group, and yesterday and today have totally tanked - down by about 75% over the usual day. Did your friend give any insight as to when we might expect this to be fixed?

Same here!

Then I guess misery loves company - I am glad to know I'm not alone!

I keep expecting something to be fixed and trigger the sales again but, at the moment, there are no signs of a reprieve. I can't see any obvious bugs, like missing keywords that have been reported by other contributors recently, and I'm praying this isn't some sort of new norm.

I know sales patterns have changed a lot over the last 18-24 months, but this is suddenly very poor, even by my adjusted expectations.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: derek on March 14, 2018, 08:44
Its not the usual tons of bugs and glitches we are seeing at SS right now I spoke to somebody with 100% insight of this and he said thousands of ports are affected with either zero or really low earnings?? wouldnt say what it was though! just saying!

Now I dont want any ghost buster coming along with the same bunch of crap because I am just forwarding some info I got hold of.

I must be in the 'really low' group, and yesterday and today have totally tanked - down by about 75% over the usual day. Did your friend give any insight as to when we might expect this to be fixed?

Same here!

Then I guess misery loves company - I am glad to know I'm not alone!

I keep expecting something to be fixed and trigger the sales again but, at the moment, there are no signs of a reprieve. I can't see any obvious bugs, like missing keywords that have been reported by other contributors recently, and I'm praying this isn't some sort of new norm.

I know sales patterns have changed a lot over the last 18-24 months, but this is suddenly very poor, even by my adjusted expectations.

Well there a million bugs and glitches but this time around they dont have an effect on certain portfolios  not in terms of buyers searching or buying images, hell I know one guy with 60000 images and he's got two zero days in a row!!  he is seriously thinking of throwing it the towel.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: jonbull on March 14, 2018, 09:15
since they killed best match i stop growing despite my last upload are much better than the photos i sell regularly.
simply i sell photo who have good position in popular tabs.
new photos sales , i mean last 3 4 months accounts for 1 2% of monthly earning. i'm still in line with last year march, but i cannot grow. nothing.
with the crap of thousand files uploaded everyday, any mentally safe customer will browse through the new tab, to find a file interesting, and that matches the keyword searched, in the middle of a sea of snapshots.

for example isotck is constantly growing, despite the 0,15 commission, it grows sale and most of all it sells mostly new files.
if i search for statistic of view most of files uploaded in the last months are viewed and bought.
adobe is in the middle.

ss messed everything.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: derek on March 14, 2018, 12:51
since they killed best match i stop growing despite my last upload are much better than the photos i sell regularly.
simply i sell photo who have good position in popular tabs.
new photos sales , i mean last 3 4 months accounts for 1 2% of monthly earning. i'm still in line with last year march, but i cannot grow. nothing.
with the crap of thousand files uploaded everyday, any mentally safe customer will browse through the new tab, to find a file interesting, and that matches the keyword searched, in the middle of a sea of snapshots.

for example isotck is constantly growing, despite the 0,15 commission, it grows sale and most of all it sells mostly new files.
if i search for statistic of view most of files uploaded in the last months are viewed and bought.
adobe is in the middle.

ss messed everything.

THhey have almost killed off single-sales and OD's!  they go elsewhere and I think you can guess where??
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: jonbull on March 14, 2018, 13:32
since they killed best match i stop growing despite my last upload are much better than the photos i sell regularly.
simply i sell photo who have good position in popular tabs.
new photos sales , i mean last 3 4 months accounts for 1 2% of monthly earning. i'm still in line with last year march, but i cannot grow. nothing.
with the crap of thousand files uploaded everyday, any mentally safe customer will browse through the new tab, to find a file interesting, and that matches the keyword searched, in the middle of a sea of snapshots.

for example isotck is constantly growing, despite the 0,15 commission, it grows sale and most of all it sells mostly new files.
if i search for statistic of view most of files uploaded in the last months are viewed and bought.
adobe is in the middle.

ss messed everything.

THhey have almost killed off single-sales and OD's!  they go elsewhere and I think you can guess where??

yes what surprise me is the totally lack of el and big sale since january....i still have many 2,85 dollar this month, more than ferbruary. today 5 download , appalling day. only sub so far.
also adobe seems to have forgot big sale...i was used to have many 2,50 dollar and 7,50....recently only 0,29 sales....

you know what i think? i think that all those free website ar putting the last nail in the coffin.
they have millions already of download...mostly are download stolen from micro stock. why i should pay 300 dollar for an extended license if i can find the photo i need for free?

not will be curios to see the next financial result of ss.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: chess1master on March 18, 2018, 08:31
Is today also horrible or just technical issue?... (i see just 1 sold at Earnings summary), the Unpaid Earnings are growing, the map is empty.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: derek on March 18, 2018, 08:57
since they killed best match i stop growing despite my last upload are much better than the photos i sell regularly.
simply i sell photo who have good position in popular tabs.
new photos sales , i mean last 3 4 months accounts for 1 2% of monthly earning. i'm still in line with last year march, but i cannot grow. nothing.
with the crap of thousand files uploaded everyday, any mentally safe customer will browse through the new tab, to find a file interesting, and that matches the keyword searched, in the middle of a sea of snapshots.

for example isotck is constantly growing, despite the 0,15 commission, it grows sale and most of all it sells mostly new files.
if i search for statistic of view most of files uploaded in the last months are viewed and bought.
adobe is in the middle.

ss messed everything.

THhey have almost killed off single-sales and OD's!  they go elsewhere and I think you can guess where??

yes what surprise me is the totally lack of el and big sale since january....i still have many 2,85 dollar this month, more than ferbruary. today 5 download , appalling day. only sub so far.
also adobe seems to have forgot big sale...i was used to have many 2,50 dollar and 7,50....recently only 0,29 sales....

you know what i think? i think that all those free website ar putting the last nail in the coffin.
they have millions already of download...mostly are download stolen from micro stock. why i should pay 300 dollar for an extended license if i can find the photo i need for free?

not will be curios to see the next financial result of ss.

You might be right?? but I have another angle to all these people in Ukraine, the east-countries, the phillipines ( no offence to anyone) $10 a day is a lot of money and for that they will upload like crazy I mean upload like mad and thats where a lot of money is going, then they have to satisfy the "factories" or else they pull out millions of shots.....the single sort of contributor like us, well we are pretty much expendible. :-\
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Josephine on March 18, 2018, 09:09
great! you got the scapegoat!
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Zero Talent on March 18, 2018, 09:10
since they killed best match i stop growing despite my last upload are much better than the photos i sell regularly.
simply i sell photo who have good position in popular tabs.
new photos sales , i mean last 3 4 months accounts for 1 2% of monthly earning. i'm still in line with last year march, but i cannot grow. nothing.
with the crap of thousand files uploaded everyday, any mentally safe customer will browse through the new tab, to find a file interesting, and that matches the keyword searched, in the middle of a sea of snapshots.

for example isotck is constantly growing, despite the 0,15 commission, it grows sale and most of all it sells mostly new files.
if i search for statistic of view most of files uploaded in the last months are viewed and bought.
adobe is in the middle.

ss messed everything.

THhey have almost killed off single-sales and OD's!  they go elsewhere and I think you can guess where??

yes what surprise me is the totally lack of el and big sale since january....i still have many 2,85 dollar this month, more than ferbruary. today 5 download , appalling day. only sub so far.
also adobe seems to have forgot big sale...i was used to have many 2,50 dollar and 7,50....recently only 0,29 sales....

you know what i think? i think that all those free website ar putting the last nail in the coffin.
they have millions already of download...mostly are download stolen from micro stock. why i should pay 300 dollar for an extended license if i can find the photo i need for free?

not will be curios to see the next financial result of ss.

You might be right?? but I have another angle to all these people in Ukraine, the east-countries, the phillipines ( no offence to anyone) $10 a day is a lot of money and for that they will upload like crazy I mean upload like mad and thats where a lot of money is going, then they have to satisfy the "factories" or else they pull out millions of shots.....the single sort of contributor like us, well we are pretty much expendible. :-\

In other words, if you work hard, success is no surprise?

Are you feeling entitled to earn more than those hard working contributors from "Ukraine, east-countries and the Philippines"?
What keeps you from uploading "like crazy" or uploading "like mad" to have "a lot of money" going your way?

"No offence"
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Shelma1 on March 18, 2018, 10:33
It depends what you mean by "hardworking" and "success." If you mean having a friend who'll approve your 100 identical photos or vectors in order to push everyone else off the "newest" page, or that you figured out ways to game the system—like stuffing 30 identical keywords into the title and 50 into the keyword sections until the rest of us figure out what you're doing and complain for months before SS will take any action—

—and you're thrilled with the $5 per day you make until your port is closed or the rules are enforced—

well, then,I guess that's your definition of "hardworking" and "successful."

I see a number of very talented photographers and illustrators from the above countries who do great work and follow the rules, and their success is well-earned. Keyword-stuffers, newest-flooders and others who make the search for quality images at Shutterstock a PITA...not so much.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Zero Talent on March 18, 2018, 11:59
It depends what you mean by "hardworking" and "success." If you mean having a friend who'll approve your 100 identical photos or vectors in order to push everyone else off the "newest" page, or that you figured out ways to game the system—like stuffing 30 identical keywords into the title and 50 into the keyword sections until the rest of us figure out what you're doing and complain for months before SS will take any action—

—and you're thrilled with the $5 per day you make until your port is closed or the rules are enforced—

well, then,I guess that's your definition of "hardworking" and "successful."

I see a number of very talented photographers and illustrators from the above countries who do great work and follow the rules, and their success is well-earned. Keyword-stuffers, newest-flooders and others who make the search for quality images at Shutterstock a PITA...not so much.

No, that's not my definition of "hard working", since uploading the same photo multiple times is NOT hard working. Where is that coming from?
Besides, I sincerely doubt people can make money with these tactics. So, this is not what I call "success".

I am talking about the same very talented and hard working photographers you are also referring at.

Even more, if $10/day is "a lot of money" for "them", why would they "upload like crazy", when they could be satisfied with a quality small size port able to generate those $10/day. That's easy! Why would they struggle to work harder once they already achieved a "lot of money"/day?

I would rather think the opposite: those who don't consider $10/day a "lot of money" would be incentivised to "upload like crazy".

Why would the "cheating" you are talking about be specific only to those living in countries where $10/day means a "lot of money"?
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: derek on March 18, 2018, 12:56
We have had this discussion before and nobody took any offence right, what happens is that, well remember the guy with thousands of images of weed, pot?? all the same but the camera was moved an inch or two. That happens a lot. Just the other week I saw about 20 pictures of a peeled orange and they were almost identical, then a peeled banana almost identical!
Of course one could argue thats the fault of the reviewer for letting them all through but there you go. This happens a lot!  that is not hard work thats gaming the system and as "shelma" said then some pal or something is accepting the lot!
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Zero Talent on March 18, 2018, 13:00
We have had this discussion before and nobody took any offence right, what happens is that, well remember the guy with thousands of images of weed, pot?? all the same but the camera was moved an inch or two. That happens a lot. Just the other week I saw about 20 pictures of a peeled orange and they were almost identical, then a peeled banana almost identical!
Of course one could argue thats the fault of the reviewer for letting them all through but there you go. This happens a lot!

As I said in the post before yours, it is far fetched to assume that this type of cheating is specific to countries where $10/day means "a lot of money".

Why would you say that?
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Sammy the Cat on March 18, 2018, 15:45
We have had this discussion before and nobody took any offence right, what happens is that, well remember the guy with thousands of images of weed, pot?? all the same but the camera was moved an inch or two. That happens a lot. Just the other week I saw about 20 pictures of a peeled orange and they were almost identical, then a peeled banana almost identical!
Of course one could argue thats the fault of the reviewer for letting them all through but there you go. This happens a lot!

As I said in the post before yours, it is far fetched to assume that this type of cheating is specific to countries where $10/day means "a lot of money".

Why would you say that?

He said it because its true but no one will accept that.

Look at all the cheats that get found and they generally come from the usual suspects
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: niktol on March 18, 2018, 16:04
That happens a lot. Just the other week I saw about 20 pictures of a peeled orange and they were almost identical, then a peeled banana almost identical!


I don't know how it affects the microstock business, but I know what it means for me. Starting tomorrow I'll stop drawing them stupid oranges.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Zero Talent on March 18, 2018, 16:42
We have had this discussion before and nobody took any offence right, what happens is that, well remember the guy with thousands of images of weed, pot?? all the same but the camera was moved an inch or two. That happens a lot. Just the other week I saw about 20 pictures of a peeled orange and they were almost identical, then a peeled banana almost identical!
Of course one could argue thats the fault of the reviewer for letting them all through but there you go. This happens a lot!

As I said in the post before yours, it is far fetched to assume that this type of cheating is specific to countries where $10/day means "a lot of money".

Why would you say that?

He said it because its true but no one will accept that.

Look at all the cheats that get found and they generally come from the usual suspects

This is ridiculous. No different than the famous "sh*thole countries" statement from a famous moron.

I can give you many examples of spamers with names like Jeremy Nathan, etc.
Or maybe such anglo-saxon names are part of your "usual suspects" list? If so, I doubt that likes of Jeremy Nathan would consider $10/day "a lot of money"
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: derek on March 19, 2018, 02:28
We have had this discussion before and nobody took any offence right, what happens is that, well remember the guy with thousands of images of weed, pot?? all the same but the camera was moved an inch or two. That happens a lot. Just the other week I saw about 20 pictures of a peeled orange and they were almost identical, then a peeled banana almost identical!
Of course one could argue thats the fault of the reviewer for letting them all through but there you go. This happens a lot!

As I said in the post before yours, it is far fetched to assume that this type of cheating is specific to countries where $10/day means "a lot of money".

Why would you say that?

He said it because its true but no one will accept that.

Look at all the cheats that get found and they generally come from the usual suspects

This is ridiculous. No different than the famous "sh*thole countries" statement from a famous moron.

I can give you many examples of spamers with names like Jeremy Nathan, etc.
Or maybe such anglo-saxon names are part of your "usual suspects" list? If so, I doubt that likes of Jeremy Nathan would consider $10/day "a lot of money"

Youre right actually! I can also give you some famous names of absolutely legendery spammers, Shutterstock, Getty, Adobe, Fotolia and to give you the biggest spammer of the lot: OBAMA!!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

P/S: yeah lets have it your way mate!
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Sammy the Cat on March 19, 2018, 03:33
We have had this discussion before and nobody took any offence right, what happens is that, well remember the guy with thousands of images of weed, pot?? all the same but the camera was moved an inch or two. That happens a lot. Just the other week I saw about 20 pictures of a peeled orange and they were almost identical, then a peeled banana almost identical!
Of course one could argue thats the fault of the reviewer for letting them all through but there you go. This happens a lot!

As I said in the post before yours, it is far fetched to assume that this type of cheating is specific to countries where $10/day means "a lot of money".

Why would you say that?

He said it because its true but no one will accept that.

Look at all the cheats that get found and they generally come from the usual suspects

This is ridiculous. No different than the famous "sh*thole countries" statement from a famous moron.

I can give you many examples of spamers with names like Jeremy Nathan, etc.
Or maybe such anglo-saxon names are part of your "usual suspects" list? If so, I doubt that likes of Jeremy Nathan would consider $10/day "a lot of money"

Typical hysterical reaction who said anything about shithole countries or anglos?

The spammers as I said "generally"  come from the usual suspects ~ now which country did you have in mind?

Most of the spammers I've seen reported tend to be Russian, Ukrainian or SE Asian.

That of course does not preclude spammers from other countries  ::)
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Bereng La Bhoreq on March 19, 2018, 03:47
Zero for today after 1 week get little bit sales
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Zero Talent on March 19, 2018, 06:16
We have had this discussion before and nobody took any offence right, what happens is that, well remember the guy with thousands of images of weed, pot?? all the same but the camera was moved an inch or two. That happens a lot. Just the other week I saw about 20 pictures of a peeled orange and they were almost identical, then a peeled banana almost identical!
Of course one could argue thats the fault of the reviewer for letting them all through but there you go. This happens a lot!

As I said in the post before yours, it is far fetched to assume that this type of cheating is specific to countries where $10/day means "a lot of money".

Why would you say that?

He said it because its true but no one will accept that.

Look at all the cheats that get found and they generally come from the usual suspects

This is ridiculous. No different than the famous "sh*thole countries" statement from a famous moron.

I can give you many examples of spamers with names like Jeremy Nathan, etc.
Or maybe such anglo-saxon names are part of your "usual suspects" list? If so, I doubt that likes of Jeremy Nathan would consider $10/day "a lot of money"

Typical hysterical reaction who said anything about shithole countries or anglos?

The spammers as I said "generally"  come from the usual suspects ~ now which country did you have in mind?

Most of the spammers I've seen reported tend to be Russian, Ukrainian or SE Asian.

That of course does not preclude spammers from other countries  ::)

Only if you find logic hysterical  ;)

Because you still fail to prove the link between spamers and the $10/day "is a lot of money" statement.
Shouldn't you have also seen spamers from other parts of the world, then? Let's say from Africa or South America?

What you expressed here is only your biased opinion and a bogus explanation with no facts to back it up.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: jonbull on March 19, 2018, 06:32
We have had this discussion before and nobody took any offence right, what happens is that, well remember the guy with thousands of images of weed, pot?? all the same but the camera was moved an inch or two. That happens a lot. Just the other week I saw about 20 pictures of a peeled orange and they were almost identical, then a peeled banana almost identical!
Of course one could argue thats the fault of the reviewer for letting them all through but there you go. This happens a lot!

As I said in the post before yours, it is far fetched to assume that this type of cheating is specific to countries where $10/day means "a lot of money".

Why would you say that?

He said it because its true but no one will accept that.

Look at all the cheats that get found and they generally come from the usual suspects

This is ridiculous. No different than the famous "sh*thole countries" statement from a famous moron.

I can give you many examples of spamers with names like Jeremy Nathan, etc.
Or maybe such anglo-saxon names are part of your "usual suspects" list? If so, I doubt that likes of Jeremy Nathan would consider $10/day "a lot of money"

sure there are spammers every where in the world but th bulk come from the sam country.,.russia and ukraine ahead. you  can easily see it with search tab in ss.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: jonbull on March 19, 2018, 06:35
if you live in a country where with 500 600 dollar you earn 4 times what a doctor right now tale in public hospital you have an incentive of spamming especially if you are not talented. it takes very little to shot still life of food over a wooden background, spam with wrong keyword and  up all search database. it's what many are doing in russia or ukraine. and it's easy to check this...look for food background wooden top view search..you will find 95% are from this country.
spamming and producing thousand of files is pretty easy and you have an incentives to do this.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Zero Talent on March 19, 2018, 06:46
We have had this discussion before and nobody took any offence right, what happens is that, well remember the guy with thousands of images of weed, pot?? all the same but the camera was moved an inch or two. That happens a lot. Just the other week I saw about 20 pictures of a peeled orange and they were almost identical, then a peeled banana almost identical!
Of course one could argue thats the fault of the reviewer for letting them all through but there you go. This happens a lot!

As I said in the post before yours, it is far fetched to assume that this type of cheating is specific to countries where $10/day means "a lot of money".

Why would you say that?

He said it because its true but no one will accept that.

Look at all the cheats that get found and they generally come from the usual suspects

This is ridiculous. No different than the famous "sh*thole countries" statement from a famous moron.

I can give you many examples of spamers with names like Jeremy Nathan, etc.
Or maybe such anglo-saxon names are part of your "usual suspects" list? If so, I doubt that likes of Jeremy Nathan would consider $10/day "a lot of money"

sure there are spammers every where in the world but th bulk come from the sam country.,.russia and ukraine ahead. you  can easily see it with search tab in ss.

If it it is true, what is the link between "$10/day is a lot of money" (aka poverty) and spamming?

It could well be the use non-latin alphabets, from what I know, or preference for vodka, or many other similar "reasons".
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: jonbull on March 19, 2018, 06:50
since they killed best match i stop growing despite my last upload are much better than the photos i sell regularly.
simply i sell photo who have good position in popular tabs.
new photos sales , i mean last 3 4 months accounts for 1 2% of monthly earning. i'm still in line with last year march, but i cannot grow. nothing.
with the crap of thousand files uploaded everyday, any mentally safe customer will browse through the new tab, to find a file interesting, and that matches the keyword searched, in the middle of a sea of snapshots.

for example isotck is constantly growing, despite the 0,15 commission, it grows sale and most of all it sells mostly new files.
if i search for statistic of view most of files uploaded in the last months are viewed and bought.
adobe is in the middle.

ss messed everything.

THhey have almost killed off single-sales and OD's!  they go elsewhere and I think you can guess where??

yes what surprise me is the totally lack of el and big sale since january....i still have many 2,85 dollar this month, more than ferbruary. today 5 download , appalling day. only sub so far.
also adobe seems to have forgot big sale...i was used to have many 2,50 dollar and 7,50....recently only 0,29 sales....

you know what i think? i think that all those free website ar putting the last nail in the coffin.
they have millions already of download...mostly are download stolen from micro stock. why i should pay 300 dollar for an extended license if i can find the photo i need for free?

not will be curios to see the next financial result of ss.

You might be right?? but I have another angle to all these people in Ukraine, the east-countries, the phillipines ( no offence to anyone) $10 a day is a lot of money and for that they will upload like crazy I mean upload like mad and thats where a lot of money is going, then they have to satisfy the "factories" or else they pull out millions of shots.....the single sort of contributor like us, well we are pretty much expendible. :-\
i agree. they have an incentive to upload like crazy....just to earn 20 dollar a day....you know is 580 gryvna right now in kiev....you know how much cost right now a ride in taxi in the center of kiev?
35 gryvna...a pizza? 80 gryvna....packet of cigarette? 28 gryvna....so with 580 gryvna you can do pretty lot of stuff while in any western country you cant' live.
so spamming and uploading thousand of similar files , can produce 20 dollar? let's do it...my friend do it?...so do i.....that's why there are literally thousand of producers from this country.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Zero Talent on March 19, 2018, 07:01
since they killed best match i stop growing despite my last upload are much better than the photos i sell regularly.
simply i sell photo who have good position in popular tabs.
new photos sales , i mean last 3 4 months accounts for 1 2% of monthly earning. i'm still in line with last year march, but i cannot grow. nothing.
with the crap of thousand files uploaded everyday, any mentally safe customer will browse through the new tab, to find a file interesting, and that matches the keyword searched, in the middle of a sea of snapshots.

for example isotck is constantly growing, despite the 0,15 commission, it grows sale and most of all it sells mostly new files.
if i search for statistic of view most of files uploaded in the last months are viewed and bought.
adobe is in the middle.

ss messed everything.

THhey have almost killed off single-sales and OD's!  they go elsewhere and I think you can guess where??

yes what surprise me is the totally lack of el and big sale since january....i still have many 2,85 dollar this month, more than ferbruary. today 5 download , appalling day. only sub so far.
also adobe seems to have forgot big sale...i was used to have many 2,50 dollar and 7,50....recently only 0,29 sales....

you know what i think? i think that all those free website ar putting the last nail in the coffin.
they have millions already of download...mostly are download stolen from micro stock. why i should pay 300 dollar for an extended license if i can find the photo i need for free?

not will be curios to see the next financial result of ss.

You might be right?? but I have another angle to all these people in Ukraine, the east-countries, the phillipines ( no offence to anyone) $10 a day is a lot of money and for that they will upload like crazy I mean upload like mad and thats where a lot of money is going, then they have to satisfy the "factories" or else they pull out millions of shots.....the single sort of contributor like us, well we are pretty much expendible. :-\
i agree. they have an incentive to upload like crazy....just to earn 20 dollar a day....you know is 580 gryvna right now in kiev....you know how much cost right now a ride in taxi in the center of kiev?
35 gryvna...a pizza? 80 gryvna....packet of cigarette? 28 gryvna....so with 580 gryvna you can do pretty lot of stuff while in any western country you cant' live.
so spamming and uploading thousand of similar files , can produce 20 dollar? let's do it...my friend do it?...so do i.....that's why there are literally thousand of producers from this country.

I'm pretty certain that prices are much lower in Kenya. If low prices are the reason for spamming, where are the Kenyan spammers? Or Ethiopian spammers, etc.

There is nothing abnormal to have thousands of producers from a country with 45m people, because it is not abnormal to have thousands of producers from, let's say Spain, or France, etc

Besides, it is fair to assume that a massive majority of these thousands of producers are talented and hard working. Unfortunately for you it means tough competition. You better raise up your game, instead of blaming a whole country for your failure.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Brasilnut on March 19, 2018, 07:06
Quote
that's why there are literally thousand of producers from this country.


Lets not overlook the "fact" that Ukraine has the most "beautiful" women in the world. All too willing to be models for a fraction of the cost in London, Paris, Milan, etc

Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2162181/Ukrainian-Swedish-women-named-worlds-best-looking.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2162181/Ukrainian-Swedish-women-named-worlds-best-looking.html)
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: jonbull on March 19, 2018, 07:46
since they killed best match i stop growing despite my last upload are much better than the photos i sell regularly.
simply i sell photo who have good position in popular tabs.
new photos sales , i mean last 3 4 months accounts for 1 2% of monthly earning. i'm still in line with last year march, but i cannot grow. nothing.
with the crap of thousand files uploaded everyday, any mentally safe customer will browse through the new tab, to find a file interesting, and that matches the keyword searched, in the middle of a sea of snapshots.

for example isotck is constantly growing, despite the 0,15 commission, it grows sale and most of all it sells mostly new files.
if i search for statistic of view most of files uploaded in the last months are viewed and bought.
adobe is in the middle.

ss messed everything.

THhey have almost killed off single-sales and OD's!  they go elsewhere and I think you can guess where??

yes what surprise me is the totally lack of el and big sale since january....i still have many 2,85 dollar this month, more than ferbruary. today 5 download , appalling day. only sub so far.
also adobe seems to have forgot big sale...i was used to have many 2,50 dollar and 7,50....recently only 0,29 sales....

you know what i think? i think that all those free website ar putting the last nail in the coffin.
they have millions already of download...mostly are download stolen from micro stock. why i should pay 300 dollar for an extended license if i can find the photo i need for free?

not will be curios to see the next financial result of ss.

You might be right?? but I have another angle to all these people in Ukraine, the east-countries, the phillipines ( no offence to anyone) $10 a day is a lot of money and for that they will upload like crazy I mean upload like mad and thats where a lot of money is going, then they have to satisfy the "factories" or else they pull out millions of shots.....the single sort of contributor like us, well we are pretty much expendible. :-\
i agree. they have an incentive to upload like crazy....just to earn 20 dollar a day....you know is 580 gryvna right now in kiev....you know how much cost right now a ride in taxi in the center of kiev?
35 gryvna...a pizza? 80 gryvna....packet of cigarette? 28 gryvna....so with 580 gryvna you can do pretty lot of stuff while in any western country you cant' live.
so spamming and uploading thousand of similar files , can produce 20 dollar? let's do it...my friend do it?...so do i.....that's why there are literally thousand of producers from this country.

I'm pretty certain that prices are much lower in Kenya. If low prices are the reason for spamming, where are the Kenyan spammers? Or Ethiopian spammers, etc.

There is nothing abnormal to have thousands of producers from a country with 45m people, because it is not abnormal to have thousands of producers from, let's say Spain, or France, etc

Besides, it is fair to assume that a massive majority of these thousands of producers are talented and hard working. Unfortunately for you it means tough competition. You better raise up your game, instead of blaming a whole country for your failure.

you dont0 have a clue about what you are talking about.
have you ever been in ukraine or russia' do you know cost of live and production there? i go there most of year and began producing there. they have tons of producer because the cost off production is cheaper, and cost of life is cheaper...if you think in sprin or usa there are similar level of producer you simply show the world your ignorance.
africa studio a production company employing photographer for penny at mont, has 1400000 files...oprobably the same amount of all spanish producers.
my failure? maybe yours...i'm growing every month, maybe is you who is failing.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: jonbull on March 19, 2018, 07:51
Quote
that's why there are literally thousand of producers from this country.


Lets not overlook the "fact" that Ukraine has the most "beautiful" women in the world. All too willing to be models for a fraction of the cost in London, Paris, Milan, etc

Source: [url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2162181/Ukrainian-Swedish-women-named-worlds-best-looking.html[/url] ([url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2162181/Ukrainian-Swedish-women-named-worlds-best-looking.html[/url])

another point, is very easy to find model, professional modeling start from 10 dollar her or less....amateur who look better than real model in usa or europe are free...studio cost is dirty cheap....so we are competing with an environment where people pil is 200 dollar month, officially, and cost of production are 1 /10 of europe....so it's clear why spamming and still producing so many files is still financially motivator.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: jonbull on March 19, 2018, 07:54
since they killed best match i stop growing despite my last upload are much better than the photos i sell regularly.
simply i sell photo who have good position in popular tabs.
new photos sales , i mean last 3 4 months accounts for 1 2% of monthly earning. i'm still in line with last year march, but i cannot grow. nothing.
with the crap of thousand files uploaded everyday, any mentally safe customer will browse through the new tab, to find a file interesting, and that matches the keyword searched, in the middle of a sea of snapshots.

for example isotck is constantly growing, despite the 0,15 commission, it grows sale and most of all it sells mostly new files.
if i search for statistic of view most of files uploaded in the last months are viewed and bought.
adobe is in the middle.

ss messed everything.

THhey have almost killed off single-sales and OD's!  they go elsewhere and I think you can guess where??

yes what surprise me is the totally lack of el and big sale since january....i still have many 2,85 dollar this month, more than ferbruary. today 5 download , appalling day. only sub so far.
also adobe seems to have forgot big sale...i was used to have many 2,50 dollar and 7,50....recently only 0,29 sales....

you know what i think? i think that all those free website ar putting the last nail in the coffin.
they have millions already of download...mostly are download stolen from micro stock. why i should pay 300 dollar for an extended license if i can find the photo i need for free?

not will be curios to see the next financial result of ss.

You might be right?? but I have another angle to all these people in Ukraine, the east-countries, the phillipines ( no offence to anyone) $10 a day is a lot of money and for that they will upload like crazy I mean upload like mad and thats where a lot of money is going, then they have to satisfy the "factories" or else they pull out millions of shots.....the single sort of contributor like us, well we are pretty much expendible. :-\
i agree. they have an incentive to upload like crazy....just to earn 20 dollar a day....you know is 580 gryvna right now in kiev....you know how much cost right now a ride in taxi in the center of kiev?
35 gryvna...a pizza? 80 gryvna....packet of cigarette? 28 gryvna....so with 580 gryvna you can do pretty lot of stuff while in any western country you cant' live.
so spamming and uploading thousand of similar files , can produce 20 dollar? let's do it...my friend do it?...so do i.....that's why there are literally thousand of producers from this country.

I'm pretty certain that prices are much lower in Kenya. If low prices are the reason for spamming, where are the Kenyan spammers? Or Ethiopian spammers, etc.

There is nothing abnormal to have thousands of producers from a country with 45m people, because it is not abnormal to have thousands of producers from, let's say Spain, or France, etc

Besides, it is fair to assume that a massive majority of these thousands of producers are talented and hard working. Unfortunately for you it means tough competition. You better raise up your game, instead of blaming a whole country for your failure.

i'm not blaming anybody...i'm just pointing pout that we are competing with the impossible. i produce most of my files in kiev...and i will move my production there this year...so good luck to you....ah but you are another amateur...i see.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: jonbull on March 19, 2018, 08:03
since they killed best match i stop growing despite my last upload are much better than the photos i sell regularly.
simply i sell photo who have good position in popular tabs.
new photos sales , i mean last 3 4 months accounts for 1 2% of monthly earning. i'm still in line with last year march, but i cannot grow. nothing.
with the crap of thousand files uploaded everyday, any mentally safe customer will browse through the new tab, to find a file interesting, and that matches the keyword searched, in the middle of a sea of snapshots.

for example isotck is constantly growing, despite the 0,15 commission, it grows sale and most of all it sells mostly new files.
if i search for statistic of view most of files uploaded in the last months are viewed and bought.
adobe is in the middle.

ss messed everything.

THhey have almost killed off single-sales and OD's!  they go elsewhere and I think you can guess where??

yes what surprise me is the totally lack of el and big sale since january....i still have many 2,85 dollar this month, more than ferbruary. today 5 download , appalling day. only sub so far.
also adobe seems to have forgot big sale...i was used to have many 2,50 dollar and 7,50....recently only 0,29 sales....

you know what i think? i think that all those free website ar putting the last nail in the coffin.
they have millions already of download...mostly are download stolen from micro stock. why i should pay 300 dollar for an extended license if i can find the photo i need for free?

not will be curios to see the next financial result of ss.

You might be right?? but I have another angle to all these people in Ukraine, the east-countries, the phillipines ( no offence to anyone) $10 a day is a lot of money and for that they will upload like crazy I mean upload like mad and thats where a lot of money is going, then they have to satisfy the "factories" or else they pull out millions of shots.....the single sort of contributor like us, well we are pretty much expendible. :-\
i agree. they have an incentive to upload like crazy....just to earn 20 dollar a day....you know is 580 gryvna right now in kiev....you know how much cost right now a ride in taxi in the center of kiev?
35 gryvna...a pizza? 80 gryvna....packet of cigarette? 28 gryvna....so with 580 gryvna you can do pretty lot of stuff while in any western country you cant' live.
so spamming and uploading thousand of similar files , can produce 20 dollar? let's do it...my friend do it?...so do i.....that's why there are literally thousand of producers from this country.

I'm pretty certain that prices are much lower in Kenya. If low prices are the reason for spamming, where are the Kenyan spammers? Or Ethiopian spammers, etc.

There is nothing abnormal to have thousands of producers from a country with 45m people, because it is not abnormal to have thousands of producers from, let's say Spain, or France, etc

Besides, it is fair to assume that a massive majority of these thousands of producers are talented and hard working. Unfortunately for you it means tough competition. You better raise up your game, instead of blaming a whole country for your failure.


https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=Ukraine&displayCurrency=USD (https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=Ukraine&displayCurrency=USD)

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/in/Nairobi?displayCurrency=USD (https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/in/Nairobi?displayCurrency=USD)

as you can see at the moment even nairobi is much expensive than kiev.....medium salary even higher...so people don't have any incentive to spam producing mediocre image repeated thousand of times...i'm not blaming...i will do the same if this is the war we are facing.....just point out why there is this situation.
you simply don't know nothing, like your president, and blame other without any knowledge.
better shut up sometimes instead of  appearing a moron. i don't talk about failure cause i don't talk about micro with amateur. you don't live out of photography so there is no point in discussing with you.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Zero Talent on March 19, 2018, 08:06
since they killed best match i stop growing despite my last upload are much better than the photos i sell regularly.
simply i sell photo who have good position in popular tabs.
new photos sales , i mean last 3 4 months accounts for 1 2% of monthly earning. i'm still in line with last year march, but i cannot grow. nothing.
with the crap of thousand files uploaded everyday, any mentally safe customer will browse through the new tab, to find a file interesting, and that matches the keyword searched, in the middle of a sea of snapshots.

for example isotck is constantly growing, despite the 0,15 commission, it grows sale and most of all it sells mostly new files.
if i search for statistic of view most of files uploaded in the last months are viewed and bought.
adobe is in the middle.

ss messed everything.

THhey have almost killed off single-sales and OD's!  they go elsewhere and I think you can guess where??

yes what surprise me is the totally lack of el and big sale since january....i still have many 2,85 dollar this month, more than ferbruary. today 5 download , appalling day. only sub so far.
also adobe seems to have forgot big sale...i was used to have many 2,50 dollar and 7,50....recently only 0,29 sales....

you know what i think? i think that all those free website ar putting the last nail in the coffin.
they have millions already of download...mostly are download stolen from micro stock. why i should pay 300 dollar for an extended license if i can find the photo i need for free?

not will be curios to see the next financial result of ss.

You might be right?? but I have another angle to all these people in Ukraine, the east-countries, the phillipines ( no offence to anyone) $10 a day is a lot of money and for that they will upload like crazy I mean upload like mad and thats where a lot of money is going, then they have to satisfy the "factories" or else they pull out millions of shots.....the single sort of contributor like us, well we are pretty much expendible. :-\
i agree. they have an incentive to upload like crazy....just to earn 20 dollar a day....you know is 580 gryvna right now in kiev....you know how much cost right now a ride in taxi in the center of kiev?
35 gryvna...a pizza? 80 gryvna....packet of cigarette? 28 gryvna....so with 580 gryvna you can do pretty lot of stuff while in any western country you cant' live.
so spamming and uploading thousand of similar files , can produce 20 dollar? let's do it...my friend do it?...so do i.....that's why there are literally thousand of producers from this country.

I'm pretty certain that prices are much lower in Kenya. If low prices are the reason for spamming, where are the Kenyan spammers? Or Ethiopian spammers, etc.

There is nothing abnormal to have thousands of producers from a country with 45m people, because it is not abnormal to have thousands of producers from, let's say Spain, or France, etc

Besides, it is fair to assume that a massive majority of these thousands of producers are talented and hard working. Unfortunately for you it means tough competition. You better raise up your game, instead of blaming a whole country for your failure.

i'm not blaming anybody...i'm just pointing pout that we are competing with the impossible. i produce most of my files in kiev...and i will move my production there this year...so good luck to you....ah but you are another amateur...i see.

Lol, define amateur. This is not my main gig, indeed. But from the numbers you published on these endless sad "sales have stopped" threads, I definitely make more money than you, in US, with a smaller port, despite your low Ukranian prices.
It's ironic to consider low Ukrainian prices as the reason for spamming, when you are actually taking advantage of them  ;)
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: BaldricksTrousers on March 19, 2018, 08:09
Quote
that's why there are literally thousand of producers from this country.


Lets not overlook the "fact" that Ukraine has the most "beautiful" women in the world. All too willing to be models for a fraction of the cost in London, Paris, Milan, etc

Source: [url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2162181/Ukrainian-Swedish-women-named-worlds-best-looking.html[/url] ([url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2162181/Ukrainian-Swedish-women-named-worlds-best-looking.html[/url])


The Ukraine girls really knock me out, they leave the west behind, and Moscow girls make me sing and shout the Gerogia's always on my mind.....
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Zero Talent on March 19, 2018, 08:15
since they killed best match i stop growing despite my last upload are much better than the photos i sell regularly.
simply i sell photo who have good position in popular tabs.
new photos sales , i mean last 3 4 months accounts for 1 2% of monthly earning. i'm still in line with last year march, but i cannot grow. nothing.
with the crap of thousand files uploaded everyday, any mentally safe customer will browse through the new tab, to find a file interesting, and that matches the keyword searched, in the middle of a sea of snapshots.

for example isotck is constantly growing, despite the 0,15 commission, it grows sale and most of all it sells mostly new files.
if i search for statistic of view most of files uploaded in the last months are viewed and bought.
adobe is in the middle.

ss messed everything.

THhey have almost killed off single-sales and OD's!  they go elsewhere and I think you can guess where??

yes what surprise me is the totally lack of el and big sale since january....i still have many 2,85 dollar this month, more than ferbruary. today 5 download , appalling day. only sub so far.
also adobe seems to have forgot big sale...i was used to have many 2,50 dollar and 7,50....recently only 0,29 sales....

you know what i think? i think that all those free website ar putting the last nail in the coffin.
they have millions already of download...mostly are download stolen from micro stock. why i should pay 300 dollar for an extended license if i can find the photo i need for free?

not will be curios to see the next financial result of ss.

You might be right?? but I have another angle to all these people in Ukraine, the east-countries, the phillipines ( no offence to anyone) $10 a day is a lot of money and for that they will upload like crazy I mean upload like mad and thats where a lot of money is going, then they have to satisfy the "factories" or else they pull out millions of shots.....the single sort of contributor like us, well we are pretty much expendible. :-\
i agree. they have an incentive to upload like crazy....just to earn 20 dollar a day....you know is 580 gryvna right now in kiev....you know how much cost right now a ride in taxi in the center of kiev?
35 gryvna...a pizza? 80 gryvna....packet of cigarette? 28 gryvna....so with 580 gryvna you can do pretty lot of stuff while in any western country you cant' live.
so spamming and uploading thousand of similar files , can produce 20 dollar? let's do it...my friend do it?...so do i.....that's why there are literally thousand of producers from this country.

I'm pretty certain that prices are much lower in Kenya. If low prices are the reason for spamming, where are the Kenyan spammers? Or Ethiopian spammers, etc.

There is nothing abnormal to have thousands of producers from a country with 45m people, because it is not abnormal to have thousands of producers from, let's say Spain, or France, etc

Besides, it is fair to assume that a massive majority of these thousands of producers are talented and hard working. Unfortunately for you it means tough competition. You better raise up your game, instead of blaming a whole country for your failure.


https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=Ukraine&displayCurrency=USD (https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=Ukraine&displayCurrency=USD)

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/in/Nairobi?displayCurrency=USD (https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/in/Nairobi?displayCurrency=USD)

as you can see at the moment even nairobi is much expensive than kiev.....medium salary even higher...so people don't have any incentive to spam producing mediocre image repeated thousand of times...i'm not blaming...i will do the same if this is the war we are facing.....just point out why there is this situation.
you simply don't know nothing, like your president, and blame other without any knowledge.
better shut up sometimes instead of  appearing a moron. i don't talk about failure cause i don't talk about micro with amateur. you don't live out of photography so there is no point in discussing with you.

Ah so, from Ukraine, Russia, east-countries and south Asia, you first narrowed it down to Ukraine and now, even further to Kiev only! Why don't you say so?

For your information, the average salary in Kenya is $76 while in Ukraine is $200 dropping down from $426 because of Putin's war.
Get your facts straight, my friend.
Stay away from unfounded generalizations  and bogus theories.
It is so funny to realise that a "moron amateur" from US is making more money than you, with a smaller port, and without the advantages of low Ukrainian costs!

PS. I fully aggre with your statement about the moron US president  ;D
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: jonbull on March 19, 2018, 08:20
since they killed best match i stop growing despite my last upload are much better than the photos i sell regularly.
simply i sell photo who have good position in popular tabs.
new photos sales , i mean last 3 4 months accounts for 1 2% of monthly earning. i'm still in line with last year march, but i cannot grow. nothing.
with the crap of thousand files uploaded everyday, any mentally safe customer will browse through the new tab, to find a file interesting, and that matches the keyword searched, in the middle of a sea of snapshots.

for example isotck is constantly growing, despite the 0,15 commission, it grows sale and most of all it sells mostly new files.
if i search for statistic of view most of files uploaded in the last months are viewed and bought.
adobe is in the middle.

ss messed everything.

THhey have almost killed off single-sales and OD's!  they go elsewhere and I think you can guess where??

yes what surprise me is the totally lack of el and big sale since january....i still have many 2,85 dollar this month, more than ferbruary. today 5 download , appalling day. only sub so far.
also adobe seems to have forgot big sale...i was used to have many 2,50 dollar and 7,50....recently only 0,29 sales....

you know what i think? i think that all those free website ar putting the last nail in the coffin.
they have millions already of download...mostly are download stolen from micro stock. why i should pay 300 dollar for an extended license if i can find the photo i need for free?

not will be curios to see the next financial result of ss.

You might be right?? but I have another angle to all these people in Ukraine, the east-countries, the phillipines ( no offence to anyone) $10 a day is a lot of money and for that they will upload like crazy I mean upload like mad and thats where a lot of money is going, then they have to satisfy the "factories" or else they pull out millions of shots.....the single sort of contributor like us, well we are pretty much expendible. :-\
i agree. they have an incentive to upload like crazy....just to earn 20 dollar a day....you know is 580 gryvna right now in kiev....you know how much cost right now a ride in taxi in the center of kiev?
35 gryvna...a pizza? 80 gryvna....packet of cigarette? 28 gryvna....so with 580 gryvna you can do pretty lot of stuff while in any western country you cant' live.
so spamming and uploading thousand of similar files , can produce 20 dollar? let's do it...my friend do it?...so do i.....that's why there are literally thousand of producers from this country.

I'm pretty certain that prices are much lower in Kenya. If low prices are the reason for spamming, where are the Kenyan spammers? Or Ethiopian spammers, etc.

There is nothing abnormal to have thousands of producers from a country with 45m people, because it is not abnormal to have thousands of producers from, let's say Spain, or France, etc

Besides, it is fair to assume that a massive majority of these thousands of producers are talented and hard working. Unfortunately for you it means tough competition. You better raise up your game, instead of blaming a whole country for your failure.


https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=Ukraine&displayCurrency=USD (https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=Ukraine&displayCurrency=USD)

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/in/Nairobi?displayCurrency=USD (https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/in/Nairobi?displayCurrency=USD)

as you can see at the moment even nairobi is much expensive than kiev.....medium salary even higher...so people don't have any incentive to spam producing mediocre image repeated thousand of times...i'm not blaming...i will do the same if this is the war we are facing.....just point out why there is this situation.
you simply don't know nothing, like your president, and blame other without any knowledge.
better shut up sometimes instead of  appearing a moron. i don't talk about failure cause i don't talk about micro with amateur. you don't live out of photography so there is no point in discussing with you.

Ah so, from Ukraine, Russia, east-countries and south Asia, you first narrowed it down to Ukraine and now, even further to Kiev only! Why don't you say so?

For your information, the average salary in Kenya is $76 while in Ukraine is $200 dropping down from $426 because of Putin's war.
Get your facts straight, my friend.
Stay away from unfounded generalizations  and bogus theories.

go to nairobi and try living there as western style...then go to ukraine or russia outside moscow.....even angola is in africa but their capital is one of the most expensive city in world....i'm sure nairobi is much more expensive than kiev.

i repeat talk about michigan texas your city...you don't have a clue what you are talking about. really.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Mantis on March 19, 2018, 08:22
Well, back to the subject if anyone is interested, the behavior of my sales there are definitely changing. Subs keep going down but I have been getting $100 plus single sales.  Video is struggling now for some reason.  So while I still make my "average" it's coming in in different ways. One cylinder goes up, two go down.  Last week I had two days in the middle of the week where I only made $4-$5 for the day - 12 sub sales.  Seeing this A LOT more. Then on another day, BAM I get a big image sale.  Maybe pepper in a video sale now and then but video has softened while big single sales have risen.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: jonbull on March 19, 2018, 08:24
if we earn the same but my cost of production is 10 times....who do you need has an incentive to produce?
is simple math. spam is the consequences..ifthere are thousand of contributor beginning producing thousand of files....you need to  produce more to keep the same level of sales...especially if you shoot some kind of theme or produce vectors....spamming is the consequences. in usa nobody has an incentive right now to enter micro stock or producing due to low earning. in ukraine and russia. yes.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Zero Talent on March 19, 2018, 08:31
...in usa nobody has an incentive right now to enter micro stock or producing due to low earning. in ukraine and russia. yes.

What about Peru, Bolivia, Libya? Why only Ukraine and Russia? Your bias and personal feelings are overwhelming your logic.

I can give you numerous examples of spammers from US.

Linking low Ukrainian wages to spamming rather than to hard work is no different than blaming spamming on cyrillic alphabet. Same failed "logic".

Low cost of production is a fact, but it doesn't have anything to do with spamming. Spamming costs are minimal.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: niktol on March 19, 2018, 08:37
In the spirit of the battle against spamming I propose an innovative approach of quoting only the post being answered, not the entire thread.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: jonbull on March 19, 2018, 08:39
...in usa nobody has an incentive right now to enter micro stock or producing due to low earning. in ukraine and russia. yes.

What about Peru, Bolivia, Libya? Why only Ukraine and Russia? Your bias and personal feelings are overwhelming your logic.

I can give you numerous examples of spammers from US.
Linking low Ukrainina wages to spamming rather than to hard work is no different than blaming spamming on cyrillic alphabet. Same failed "logic".

listen moron...i don't have any bias...i love ukriane and russia....i live in ukraine most of year and love people there....if you don't understand why no peru libya or other is your problem pathetic jerk....i understand you are in an anti trump way of life and you think i'm against russia or ukraine for any political reason...moron i repeat that has nothing to do with politic or personal country....it's simply an nalisysy of cost of production and level of production...if lydian peru and bolivia contributor will act like that i will talk about them...but unfortunately is not. africa studio alone probably has more files than all the south america. you understand pathetic moron?
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Zero Talent on March 19, 2018, 08:45

listen moron...i don't have any bias...i love ukriane and russia....i live in ukraine most of year and love people there....if you don't understand why no peru libya or other is your problem pathetic jerk....i understand you are in an anti trump way of life and you think i'm against russia or ukraine for any political reason...moron i repeat that has nothing to do with politic or personal country....it's simply an nalisysy of cost of production and level of production...if lydian peru and bolivia contributor will act like that i will talk about them...but unfortunately is not. africa studio alone probably has more files than all the south america. you understand pathetic moron?

It looks to me that, while I don't like Trump, indeed, I rather defend Russia and Ukraine here! Weird isn't it?
That's only because I defend logic. And it looks that both you and the current US president lack it, big time.

Again, low Ukrainian production costs have nothing to do with spamming.
Spamming costs nothing, except for a good internet connection (and that's rather available in countries with developed infrastructure)

I have to admit that I didn't know that Africa Studio was based in Ukraine, Russia or South Asia! Loool! You're so funny, when you're angry!  ;D
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: niktol on March 19, 2018, 08:50
Quote
that's why there are literally thousand of producers from this country.


Lets not overlook the "fact" that Ukraine has the most "beautiful" women in the world. All too willing to be models for a fraction of the cost in London, Paris, Milan, etc

Source: [url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2162181/Ukrainian-Swedish-women-named-worlds-best-looking.html[/url] ([url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2162181/Ukrainian-Swedish-women-named-worlds-best-looking.html[/url])


I am pretty sure women featured in this article don't work for peanuts.

As for someone being named something doesn't mean much nowadays.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: derek on March 19, 2018, 08:58
We have had this discussion before and nobody took any offence right, what happens is that, well remember the guy with thousands of images of weed, pot?? all the same but the camera was moved an inch or two. That happens a lot. Just the other week I saw about 20 pictures of a peeled orange and they were almost identical, then a peeled banana almost identical!
Of course one could argue thats the fault of the reviewer for letting them all through but there you go. This happens a lot!

As I said in the post before yours, it is far fetched to assume that this type of cheating is specific to countries where $10/day means "a lot of money".

Why would you say that?

He said it because its true but no one will accept that.

Look at all the cheats that get found and they generally come from the usual suspects

This is ridiculous. No different than the famous "sh*thole countries" statement from a famous moron.

I can give you many examples of spamers with names like Jeremy Nathan, etc.
Or maybe such anglo-saxon names are part of your "usual suspects" list? If so, I doubt that likes of Jeremy Nathan would consider $10/day "a lot of money"

sure there are spammers every where in the world but th bulk come from the sam country.,.russia and ukraine ahead. you  can easily see it with search tab in ss.

If it it is true, what is the link between "$10/day is a lot of money" (aka poverty) and spamming?

It could well be the use non-latin alphabets, from what I know, or preference for vodka, or many other similar "reasons".

Vodka?? screw that! yaki!  Prefer a single malt whiskey, something lik MacAlllens or Glenfiditch!!
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: niktol on March 19, 2018, 09:12

Vodka?? screw that! yaki!  Prefer a single malt whiskey, something lik MacAlllens or Glenfiditch!!

It's hard to compare. Best whiskeys have a distinct taste and flavor. Best vodkas don't. Noone sips vodka. Well, I've seen people do it but that's just because they have no clue.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: YadaYadaYada on March 19, 2018, 09:18
listen moron...i don't have any bias...i love ukriane and russia....i live in ukraine most of year and love people there....if you don't understand why no peru libya or other is your problem pathetic jerk....i understand you are in an anti trump way of life and you think i'm against russia or ukraine for any political reason...moron i repeat that has nothing to do with politic or personal country....it's simply an nalisysy of cost of production and level of production...if lydian peru and bolivia contributor will act like that i will talk about them...but unfortunately is not. africa studio alone probably has more files than all the south america. you understand pathetic moron?

You win your doing a nice immitation of Trayon White Sr. where the argument sinks to name calling insults and personal attacks. I'll take Gin
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Sammy the Cat on March 19, 2018, 09:46
This place gets more like the RT.com comments section everyday :D
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: derek on March 19, 2018, 10:51
listen moron...i don't have any bias...i love ukriane and russia....i live in ukraine most of year and love people there....if you don't understand why no peru libya or other is your problem pathetic jerk....i understand you are in an anti trump way of life and you think i'm against russia or ukraine for any political reason...moron i repeat that has nothing to do with politic or personal country....it's simply an nalisysy of cost of production and level of production...if lydian peru and bolivia contributor will act like that i will talk about them...but unfortunately is not. africa studio alone probably has more files than all the south america. you understand pathetic moron?

You win your doing a nice immitation of Trayon White Sr. where the argument sinks to name calling insults and personal attacks. I'll take Gin


Gin? well so and so! gives me a headache!....how about a really good Konjak then?  still not like a single malt!
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: jonbull on March 19, 2018, 11:17
https://it.fotolia.com/search?serie=195025178&offset=300

let's see
hard working or spamming?
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Zero Talent on March 19, 2018, 11:47
https://it.fotolia.com/search?serie=195025178&offset=300 (https://it.fotolia.com/search?serie=195025178&offset=300)

let's see
hard working or spamming?

You keep on running around your tail. What are you trying to prove with that link? That spammers do exist in Russia? Never argued the contrary!

I argued against what you considered the root cause for spamming: $10/day = "a lot of money" => spamming.

Then you threw in the discussion, the low cost of production in some countries, as an explanation for spamming, when it is obvious that spamming costs nothing. Low cost of production are important when you produce original content, not when you upload the same thing multiple times. Duh!  ::)

You also claimed that $10/day = "a lot of money" = low production costs => it must be Ukraine, Russia, East Countries and South Asia, when it is obvious that many other countries are satisfying your so called "spamming criteria". You even gave me "Africa Studios" as an example to prove your point! Hilarious!

For each link you send trying to prove your fallacy, I can send you similar links, to "prove" the opposite.

What about BestStockPhotos from United States: https://www.shutterstock.com/g/beststockphotos1 (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/beststockphotos1). See his first page full of autumn leaves. Or the series of "marijuana cookies with fork" a few pages later?
Since weed was mentioned, what about Doug Shutter, from United States: https://www.shutterstock.com/g/jeremynathan (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/jeremynathan)


Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: jonbull on March 19, 2018, 11:54
https://it.fotolia.com/search?serie=195025178&offset=300 (https://it.fotolia.com/search?serie=195025178&offset=300)

let's see
hard working or spamming?

You keep on running around your tail. What are you trying to prove with that link? That spammers do exist in Russia? Never argued the contrary!

I argued against what you considered the root cause for spamming: $10/day = "a lot of money" => spamming.

Then you threw in the discussion, the low cost of production in some countries, as an explanation for spamming, when it is obvious that spamming costs nothing. Low cost of production are important when you produce original content, not when you upload the same thing multiple times. Duh!  ::)

You also claimed that $10/day = "a lot of money" = low production costs => it must be Ukraine, Russia, East Countries and South Asia, when it is obvious that many other countries satisfying your so called "spamming criteria"

For each link you send trying to prove your fallacy, I can send you similar links, to "prove" the opposite.

What about BestStockPhotos from United States: https://www.shutterstock.com/g/beststockphotos1 (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/beststockphotos1)
What about Jeremy Nathan (aka Doug Shutter), from United States: https://www.shutterstock.com/g/jeremynathan (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/jeremynathan)

it's ukraine and russia because they are from russia and ukraine...ahhah,.......i'm considering real portfolio....this is something done extensively in ukraine and russia ...sure there are other nations with some spammers....but this is mostly related to these country...
and i told why....if you earn 20 dollar from micro stock in ukraine you are much richer than a doctor in hospital...so that's why you are eager to do micro and spam .....understand?
there was a site with a ranking of micro stock producer....i cannot find...russia and ukraine accounted for at least 30%

by the way the firs has 10000, pretty normal for any contributor in soviet state, the other 46000...
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Zero Talent on March 19, 2018, 12:00

it's ukraine and russia because they are from russia and ukraine...ahhah,.......i'm considering real portfolio....this is something done extensively in ukraine and russia ...sure there are other nations with some spammers....but this is mostly related to these country...
and i told why....if you earn 20 dollar from micro stock in ukraine you are much richer than a doctor in hospital...so that's why you are eager to do micro and spam .....understand?
there was a site with a ranking of micro stock producer....i cannot find...russia and ukraine accounted for at least 30%

by the way the firs has 10000, pretty normal for any contributor in soviet state, the other 46000...

And I'm saying that low cost of production has nothing to do with spamming! How hard is to understand that?
You give me random examples, I can do exactly the same to show you the opposite.

Even if you manage to collect enough data to justify your assertion in a statistical way (instead of giving random examples), the low cost of production link will still be just correlation, not causation!

Do I have to explain you the difference?

PS. And no, the examples I gave you are not from Russia, nor Ukraine. See attached.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Sedge on March 19, 2018, 23:22
Dear Zero Talent and Jon Bull:

During the time you guys have been endlessly ranting about each other, you both probably could have created and uploaded at least 10 new images.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Pauws99 on March 20, 2018, 03:24
Dear Zero Talent and Jon Bull:

During the time you guys have been endlessly ranting about each other, you both probably could have created and uploaded at least 10 new images.
Or 10,000 spammy ones ;-)
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: jonbull on March 20, 2018, 10:13
Dear Zero Talent and Jon Bull:

During the time you guys have been endlessly ranting about each other, you both probably could have created and uploaded at least 10 new images.

u are right that's why i won't discuss about it anymore...better focus on the crap month in ss. really nose diving....zero el since fenbruary...mostly 0.38 cent sale....nothing from last 6 month selling...since they killed best match am nosediving..luckily i'm growing both in esp and fotolia..even 123rf and deposit show signs of growth. ss must rethink their algorithm and acceptance policy..
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: jonbull on March 20, 2018, 10:14
Dear Zero Talent and Jon Bull:

During the time you guys have been endlessly ranting about each other, you both probably could have created and uploaded at least 10 new images.
Or 10,000 spammy ones ;-)

if that's what they want i ll shoot any studio shot food or still life a 1000 of times...uploading constantly every three hours like most russian do.:)
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Zero Talent on March 20, 2018, 10:31
Dear Zero Talent and Jon Bull:

During the time you guys have been endlessly ranting about each other, you both probably could have created and uploaded at least 10 new images.
Or 10,000 spammy ones ;-)

if that's what they want i ll shoot any studio shot food or still life a 1000 of times...uploading constantly every three hours like most russian do.:)

Wrong.  8)
"Most" Russians do that only in your biased mind!
And, FYI, spamming is not just about food and still life.

Check the attached example of another "non-Russian" spammer: effectively hundreds and hundreds of cogwheels and gear stuff, shot from every angle imaginable: https://www.shutterstock.com/g/chris56 (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/chris56)

Like there is not enough competition out-there, he also feels the urge to compete with himself. This is also what I call "shooting yourself in the foot" or "killing the goose that laid the golden eggs" or "cutting the branch you are sitting on"

Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Microstockphoto on March 20, 2018, 11:30
huh, how does this function, non of the cogs 'grab' each other,.

Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: jonbull on March 20, 2018, 11:47
Dear Zero Talent and Jon Bull:

During the time you guys have been endlessly ranting about each other, you both probably could have created and uploaded at least 10 new images.
Or 10,000 spammy ones ;-)

if that's what they want i ll shoot any studio shot food or still life a 1000 of times...uploading constantly every three hours like most russian do.:)

Wrong.  8)
"Most" Russians do that only in your biased mind!
And, FYI, spamming is not just about food and still life.

Check the attached example of another "non-Russian" spammer: effectively hundreds and hundreds of cogwheels and gear stuff, shot from every angle imaginable: https://www.shutterstock.com/g/chris56 (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/chris56)

Like there is not enough competition out-there, he also feels the urge to compete with himself. This is also what I call "shooting yourself in the foot" or "killing the goose that laid the golden eggs" or "cutting the branch you are sitting on"

ahahah...trump election must have killed uyoir brain...ahahahha....you can find spammers anywhere for sure....but for an american there are 50 russian spamming like hell producing thousand of files even month...it's an evidence and very simple to check....sure in italy sweden usa there are spammers too...but they are child compared to ukraine and russian..
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Liorpt on March 20, 2018, 11:49
My 1st 'Active videos' page shows only 55 clips instead of the normal 100. (The other pages gives 100)  half of the 55 have no title and keywords, and I have 45 missing clips that were approved days ago and not showing.  Anyone else seeing this?


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Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: jonbull on March 20, 2018, 11:55
Dear Zero Talent and Jon Bull:

During the time you guys have been endlessly ranting about each other, you both probably could have created and uploaded at least 10 new images.
Or 10,000 spammy ones ;-)

if that's what they want i ll shoot any studio shot food or still life a 1000 of times...uploading constantly every three hours like most russian do.:)

Wrong.  8)
"Most" Russians do that only in your biased mind!
And, FYI, spamming is not just about food and still life.

Check the attached example of another "non-Russian" spammer: effectively hundreds and hundreds of cogwheels and gear stuff, shot from every angle imaginable: https://www.shutterstock.com/g/chris56 (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/chris56)

Like there is not enough competition out-there, he also feels the urge to compete with himself. This is also what I call "shooting yourself in the foot" or "killing the goose that laid the golden eggs" or "cutting the branch you are sitting on"

2400 files and you consider this excellent portfolio of industrial a spammer:))

as i said you don't know what you are talking about...seems you want defend russia more for political reason..as i see in your history you are active more in politic than stock..:))


https://www.shutterstock.com/g/lightfield%20studios?page=3&sort=newest&safe=true&search_source=base_gallery&language=en (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/lightfield%20studios?page=3&sort=newest&safe=true&search_source=base_gallery&language=en)

from ukraine....140000 file.. in a year....should i keep ion ? i have some accounting for 2 millions files.....and you consider that swedish guy who actually has a good portfolio a spammer? ahahahah....if i can find that website with a list of contributor in ss you will see how many spammers in russia and ukraine compared to the rest of the world....anyway i stop this argument.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Zero Talent on March 20, 2018, 12:52


..seems you want defend russia more for political reason..as i see in your history you are active more in politic than stock..:))

Lol, what you fail to understand that I defend logic, facts and open-mindedness. Not Russia!  ::) This is hilarious!  ;D

Just to make this clear for you: in my opinion, Putin is a fascist dictator, who has regularly eliminated (physically!) his opponents both in politics and in media, home and abroad (therefore he is a serial killer), who has illegally occupied territories belonging to sovereign countries, who is leading an online troll army designed to mess with the minds of weak people, at home and abroad.
Is this statement "defending" Russia enough for you?

Anyway, you continue to invent numbers, like 50% of Russians are spammers, like Russians are spamming 50 times more than Americans, etc.
I am convinced that you will continue to believe in your bogus "theory", no matter how much others will try to explain you how wrong you are. For some, belief matters more than facts! And you are one of them!

And that Swedish guy has some good stuff, indeed, but he should have only uploaded 1 tenth of his port, because 90% is spam.
This is why I said that he "killed the goose that laid the golden eggs"!

Rest assured, I'm not writing all this for you, but for the rather large audience of this dispute.  :P
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: jonbull on March 20, 2018, 14:02


..seems you want defend russia more for political reason..as i see in your history you are active more in politic than stock..:))

Lol, what you fail to understand that I defend logic, facts and open-mindedness. Not Russia!  ::) This is hilarious!  ;D

Just to make this clear for you: in my opinion, Putin is a fascist dictator, who has regularly eliminated (physically!) his opponents both in politics and in media, home and abroad (therefore he is a serial killer), who has illegally occupied territories belonging to sovereign countries, who is leading an online troll army designed to mess with the minds of weak people, at home and abroad.
Is this statement "defending" Russia enough for you?

Anyway, you continue to invent numbers, like 50% of Russians are spammers, like Russians are spamming 50 times more than Americans, etc.
I am convinced that you will continue to believe in your bogus "theory", no matter how much others will try to explain you how wrong you are. For some, belief matters more than facts! And you are one of them!

And that Swedish guy has some good stuff, indeed, but he should have only uploaded 1 tenth of his port, because 90% is spam.
This is why I said that he "killed the goose that laid the golden eggs"!

Rest assured, I'm not writing all this for you, but for the rather large audience of this dispute.  :P

so u comparing a port of 2400 with one of 140000? are u serious? ahaha. ok u win. good bye
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: jonbull on March 20, 2018, 14:15
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/timolina (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/timolina)
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/kucherav (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/kucherav)
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/karandaev (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/karandaev)
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/g-stockstudio (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/g-stockstudio)
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/golubovy (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/golubovy)
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/klochanko (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/klochanko)
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/nitr (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/nitr)
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/fomaa (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/fomaa)
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/sergeyshibut?sort=newest&search_source=base_gallery&language=en&page=2 (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/sergeyshibut?sort=newest&search_source=base_gallery&language=en&page=2)

the king

https://www.shutterstock.com/g/belchonock (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/belchonock)

this from estonia , well once russia:)
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/123object?search_source=base_gallery&language=en&page=1&page=1&sort=newest&safe=true (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/123object?search_source=base_gallery&language=en&page=1&page=1&sort=newest&safe=true)



so let's see ...with a minimal search of 5 minutes i found a group of user who uploaded 1% of entire ss portfolio, who practically *removed coarse language* up completely the food and celebration category, one of the most important in micro, which just 5 years ago of those 1800000 images probable less than 100000 would have been accepted....

now please i want 1.800.000 million images produced by swedish photographer mostly spamming....if you can't find u lose.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: derek on March 20, 2018, 14:15
Putin is a good guy only Trump is better! so far he has managed to Trump everyone. Good luck to him!! and his wife is beautiful!
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: jonbull on March 20, 2018, 14:17
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/timolina (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/timolina)
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/kucherav (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/kucherav)
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/karandaev (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/karandaev)
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/g-stockstudio (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/g-stockstudio)
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/golubovy (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/golubovy)
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/klochanko (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/klochanko)
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/nitr (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/nitr)
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/fomaa (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/fomaa)
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/sergeyshibut?sort=newest&search_source=base_gallery&language=en&page=2 (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/sergeyshibut?sort=newest&search_source=base_gallery&language=en&page=2)

the king

https://www.shutterstock.com/g/belchonock (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/belchonock)

this from estonia , well once russia:)
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/123object?search_source=base_gallery&language=en&page=1&page=1&sort=newest&safe=true (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/123object?search_source=base_gallery&language=en&page=1&page=1&sort=newest&safe=true)



so let's see ...with a minimal search of 5 minutes i found a group of user who uploaded 1% of entire ss portfolio, who practically *removed coarse language* up completely the food and celebration category, one of the most important in micro, which just 5 years ago of those 1800000 images probable less than 100000 would have been accepted....

now please i want 1.800.000 million images produced by swedish photographer mostly spamming....if you can't find u lose.


this is their tactic...cheating....if you haven't been on this country or haven't dealt with soviet people please stop talking, because simply you don't know what you are talking about. cheating is an art there....they upload similar images not in the same time....as you can see they spam during a lapse of time...so similar images are spammed not in one page but in different....is an art:)
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: jonbull on March 20, 2018, 14:19
Putin is a good guy only Trump is better! so far he has managed to Trump everyone. Good luck to him!! and his wife is beautiful!

the only real thing they have in russia is *...but they cheat even more than micro stocker....ahah.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: jonbull on March 20, 2018, 14:20
the best part who show you don't have a clue...you posted a porfoluo of a guy who simply not spam, if he spam russian micro stocker are not 50% spammer...100% spammer.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: derek on March 20, 2018, 14:22
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/timolina (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/timolina)
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/kucherav (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/kucherav)
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/karandaev (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/karandaev)
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/g-stockstudio (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/g-stockstudio)
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/golubovy (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/golubovy)
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/klochanko (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/klochanko)
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/nitr (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/nitr)
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/fomaa (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/fomaa)
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/sergeyshibut?sort=newest&search_source=base_gallery&language=en&page=2 (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/sergeyshibut?sort=newest&search_source=base_gallery&language=en&page=2)

the king

https://www.shutterstock.com/g/belchonock (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/belchonock)

this from estonia , well once russia:)
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/123object?search_source=base_gallery&language=en&page=1&page=1&sort=newest&safe=true (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/123object?search_source=base_gallery&language=en&page=1&page=1&sort=newest&safe=true)



so let's see ...with a minimal search of 5 minutes i found a group of user who uploaded 1% of entire ss portfolio, who practically *removed coarse language* up completely the food and celebration category, one of the most important in micro, which just 5 years ago of those 1800000 images probable less than 100000 would have been accepted....

now please i want 1.800.000 million images produced by swedish photographer mostly spamming....if you can't find u lose.


this is their tactic...cheating....if you haven't been on this country or haven't dealt with soviet people please stop talking, because simply you don't know what you are talking about. cheating is an art there....they upload similar images not in the same time....as you can see they spam during a lapse of time...so similar images are spammed not in one page but in different....is an art:)

Just a slight caution!  youre right but Tyler nor the shooters of these will appreciate being flaunted like this, last time some years back all hell broke lose! just saying!
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: jonbull on March 20, 2018, 14:25
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/timolina (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/timolina)
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/kucherav (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/kucherav)
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/karandaev (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/karandaev)
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/g-stockstudio (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/g-stockstudio)
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/golubovy (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/golubovy)
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/klochanko (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/klochanko)
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/nitr (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/nitr)
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/fomaa (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/fomaa)
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/sergeyshibut?sort=newest&search_source=base_gallery&language=en&page=2 (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/sergeyshibut?sort=newest&search_source=base_gallery&language=en&page=2)

the king

https://www.shutterstock.com/g/belchonock (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/belchonock)

this from estonia , well once russia:)
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/123object?search_source=base_gallery&language=en&page=1&page=1&sort=newest&safe=true (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/123object?search_source=base_gallery&language=en&page=1&page=1&sort=newest&safe=true)



so let's see ...with a minimal search of 5 minutes i found a group of user who uploaded 1% of entire ss portfolio, who practically *removed coarse language* up completely the food and celebration category, one of the most important in micro, which just 5 years ago of those 1800000 images probable less than 100000 would have been accepted....

now please i want 1.800.000 million images produced by swedish photographer mostly spamming....if you can't find u lose.


this is their tactic...cheating....if you haven't been on this country or haven't dealt with soviet people please stop talking, because simply you don't know what you are talking about. cheating is an art there....they upload similar images not in the same time....as you can see they spam during a lapse of time...so similar images are spammed not in one page but in different....is an art:)

Just a slight caution!  youre right but Tyler nor the shooters of these will appreciate being flaunted like this, last time some years back all hell broke lose! just saying!

i don't care they are cheaters...tyler?
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Zero Talent on March 20, 2018, 16:03
... ok u win. good bye

https://www.shutterstock.com/g/timolina (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/timolina)
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/kucherav (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/kucherav)
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/karandaev (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/karandaev)
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/g-stockstudio (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/g-stockstudio)
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/golubovy (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/golubovy)
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/klochanko (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/klochanko)
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/nitr (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/nitr)
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/fomaa (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/fomaa)
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/sergeyshibut?sort=newest&search_source=base_gallery&language=en&page=2 (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/sergeyshibut?sort=newest&search_source=base_gallery&language=en&page=2)

the king

https://www.shutterstock.com/g/belchonock (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/belchonock)

this from estonia , well once russia:)
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/123object?search_source=base_gallery&language=en&page=1&page=1&sort=newest&safe=true (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/123object?search_source=base_gallery&language=en&page=1&page=1&sort=newest&safe=true)



so let's see ...with a minimal search of 5 minutes i found a group of user who uploaded 1% of entire ss portfolio, who practically *removed coarse language* up completely the food and celebration category, one of the most important in micro, which just 5 years ago of those 1800000 images probable less than 100000 would have been accepted....

now please i want 1.800.000 million images produced by swedish photographer mostly spamming....if you can't find u lose.

You already said that I won! You can't take that back. What are you? A 7 years old?

Nice way to "prove" that 50% of Russians are spammers (or maybe even 100% as you claimed later) by giving only 2 examples from Russia, but 6 from Ukraine and 1 from Italy (!??)

You only managed to match the 2 American examples I gave you. So from an example point of view, this is a draw  :P

It looks to me that you are not so much interested in the definition of "spamming", since you defend the obvious spamming of that Swedish guy. You are rather frustrated by very large ports.
That's a different story. You keep on jumping around from one story to another.

So... what about your previous claims, about low production costs, as the root cause for spamming? Now you changed it and you just declared that cheating is part of the Russian way of being!

this is their tactic...cheating....if you haven't been on this country or haven't dealt with soviet people please stop talking, because simply you don't know what you are talking about. cheating is an art there....

Don't you see how xenophobic that is? My God! Who are you?

Oh wait, what am I doing here? I got carried away. You already said that I won!
So... many thanks for graciously conceding your defeat!

Your're such a good sport!
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Shelma1 on March 20, 2018, 17:14
Does anyone have any SODs today?
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: derek on March 20, 2018, 17:54
I think there is a huge misconception here of what spamming really is! now I personally know a whole string of editors, not crappy-reviewers but real editors with Getty, Blend, SPL, Offset, etc. The way they explain spamming in pictures ( not keywordings) is if they are more or less identicals!!  now thats a vast difference from lets say X have got 100 pics of the same subject but not identicals. thats NOT spamming!...so 200 pics of a Hamburger but from different angles thats NOT classified by an editor as spamming.....
An art-director in an ad-agency gives you a brief and he exoects you to return dozens of shots from underneath the subject, above from the sides and so on.

However the spamming of pics according to editors are not so bad much, much worse, 1000 times more damaging for a search-engine is the spamming of keywords, cloggs up the whole sort-order.
Agencies dont ban you for similar not even identical pics but they will certainly throw you out for constant keyword spamming because thats damaging.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Zero Talent on March 20, 2018, 18:32
I think there is a huge misconception here of what spamming really is! now I personally know a whole string of editors, not crappy-reviewers but real editors with Getty, Blend, SPL, Offset, etc. The way they explain spamming in pictures ( not keywordings) is if they are more or less identicals!!  now thats a vast difference from lets say X have got 100 pics of the same subject but not identicals. thats NOT spamming!...so 200 pics of a Hamburger but from different angles thats NOT classified by an editor as spamming.....
An art-director in an ad-agency gives you a brief and he exoects you to return dozens of shots from underneath the subject, above from the sides and so on.

However the spamming of pics according to editors are not so bad much, much worse, 1000 times more damaging for a search-engine is the spamming of keywords, cloggs up the whole sort-order.
Agencies dont ban you for similar not even identical pics but they will certainly throw you out for constant keyword spamming because thats damaging.

This makes sense, the definition is not very clear, indeed.

Anyway, I know what I do. I do my best to select the best photo from my series, even if I might have several that I consider good. Then I only upload the best, maybe a second one if the subject is the same, but the story is different.
This is because I don't want to "kill the goose that laid the golden egg"

This strategy has worked very well for me, so far. Rest assured, my specialty is also full of people who upload almost everything they get on their card.
But they are also those who come here, regularly, to complain about drop in sales despite their so called portfolio "growth"!
That's because their golden egg goose is dead already! Suffocated!
And they usually blame some conspiracy or, believe it or not, specific nations  :o for the demise.

PS, Shelma, yes, I had several SODs today.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Shelma1 on March 20, 2018, 19:17
Ah, OK. Just a cr@ptastic day for me, then. :)
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Sammy the Cat on March 21, 2018, 01:39
Ah, OK. Just a cr@ptastic day for me, then. :)

Please don't interupt Zero Talent while they are taking over the forums :D

Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: derek on March 21, 2018, 02:21
"killed the goose that laid the golden egg".   only today some 15 years after micro and with almost 1 billion files floating around the internet that saying dont apply, there are no golden eggs left!  they were killed off some years back!...today its just a matter of riding along and hope for the best!...agencies with their constant slashing of prices, image-theft by millions, thousands of "budding" newbies joining every month have finally put a stop for our golden eggs!

I came from Stones and Image-Bank when Getty took over in 2004, seen the company go from excellent, fantastic! down to todays absolute rubbish! and this slope very much reflects todays micro-world, SS, IS FT, DT started years back and was terrific!!  we all earnt a lot of money. Today??? well judge for yourselves?....

The guru and godfather of advertising Ian Ogilvy, owner of the giant AD_firm O&M once said, " if you got it, flaunt it!!  great advice in my books!

just saying people.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: increasingdifficulty on March 21, 2018, 02:44
Yes, it's easy to dream back to the good old days when there was no competition...

But when a portfolio, although good and of high quality, consists 90% of the same subject matter, what can one really expect?
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Josephine on March 21, 2018, 03:18
obsessively talking about the good old days is a sign of old age.... just think of your grandparents except you are already one
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: derek on March 21, 2018, 04:19
Yes, it's easy to dream back to the good old days when there was no competition...

But when a portfolio, although good and of high quality, consists 90% of the same subject matter, what can one really expect?

I wouldnt say dreaming back??  why do you say that?  its quite obvious isnt it that today is a lot harder then yesterday and there is no need to point that out!

Seems to me you are more interested in private indviduals rather then adding to the conversation. Whats your port like? a "generalist" port I suspect?  well that wont get you very far out in the real world of photography, outside stock-photography. In that gigantic world of commissioned, advertising and corporate work the only ports that count is the specialist portfolio 100% geared to what you do! may it be still-life, life-style, medicine, industry, portraits, fashion, glamour, etc, etc.
If a client wanting to buy pictures for a travel catalogue it is of no use he invites photographers carrying studio-work, is it?  if he invites photographers planning a aircraft shoot I bet he dont want to see a portfolio of Fashion/glamour?? and the very LAST thing a picture-buyer wants to see is an "everything but nothing " portfolio!

Its horses for courses you see. You been long enough in this business now to have understood that!..  hehe! Oh well....

all the best to you!
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: derek on March 21, 2018, 04:23
obsessively talking about the good old days is a sign of old age.... just think of your grandparents except you are already one

Nop not yet but I'm working on it! tough titty!
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Shelma1 on March 21, 2018, 05:41

The guru and godfather of advertising Ian Ogilvy, owner of the giant AD_firm O&M once said, " if you got it, flaunt it!!  great advice in my books!

just saying people.

You mean David Ogilvy?
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: derek on March 21, 2018, 06:03

The guru and godfather of advertising Ian Ogilvy, owner of the giant AD_firm O&M once said, " if you got it, flaunt it!!  great advice in my books!

just saying people.

You mean David Ogilvy?

Yes David of course, Ian is the actor isnt he? :)
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: jonbull on March 21, 2018, 06:52
... ok u win. good bye

https://www.shutterstock.com/g/timolina (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/timolina)
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/kucherav (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/kucherav)
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/karandaev (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/karandaev)
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/g-stockstudio (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/g-stockstudio)
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/golubovy (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/golubovy)
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/klochanko (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/klochanko)
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/nitr (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/nitr)
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/fomaa (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/fomaa)
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/sergeyshibut?sort=newest&search_source=base_gallery&language=en&page=2 (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/sergeyshibut?sort=newest&search_source=base_gallery&language=en&page=2)

the king

https://www.shutterstock.com/g/belchonock (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/belchonock)

this from estonia , well once russia:)
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/123object?search_source=base_gallery&language=en&page=1&page=1&sort=newest&safe=true (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/123object?search_source=base_gallery&language=en&page=1&page=1&sort=newest&safe=true)



so let's see ...with a minimal search of 5 minutes i found a group of user who uploaded 1% of entire ss portfolio, who practically *removed coarse language* up completely the food and celebration category, one of the most important in micro, which just 5 years ago of those 1800000 images probable less than 100000 would have been accepted....

now please i want 1.800.000 million images produced by swedish photographer mostly spamming....if you can't find u lose.

You already said that I won! You can't take that back. What are you? A 7 years old?

Nice way to "prove" that 50% of Russians are spammers (or maybe even 100% as you claimed later) by giving only 2 examples from Russia, but 6 from Ukraine and 1 from Italy (!??)

You only managed to match the 2 American examples I gave you. So from an example point of view, this is a draw  :P

It looks to me that you are not so much interested in the definition of "spamming", since you defend the obvious spamming of that Swedish guy. You are rather frustrated by very large ports.
That's a different story. You keep on jumping around from one story to another.

So... what about your previous claims, about low production costs, as the root cause for spamming? Now you changed it and you just declared that cheating is part of the Russian way of being!

this is their tactic...cheating....if you haven't been on this country or haven't dealt with soviet people please stop talking, because simply you don't know what you are talking about. cheating is an art there....

Don't you see how xenophobic that is? My God! Who are you?

Oh wait, what am I doing here? I got carried away. You already said that I won!
So... many thanks for graciously conceding your defeat!

Your're such a good sport!

sincerely how can i discuss with somebody who not even realize that Evgeny Karandaev cannot be an italian name ? i mean this show your lack of knowledge of the world.

https://www.dreamstime.com/karandaev_info (https://www.dreamstime.com/karandaev_info)

samara, russia...


the rest i don't even comment cause it's clear you don't have a clue.
as far as xenophobic you are again totally wrong i love the people there but after 6 years living there often cheating is part of their society. everybody cheat. especially woman.


Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: jonbull on March 21, 2018, 06:53
anyway seems that spamming aka russian way helps so why not.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Julied83 on March 21, 2018, 12:19
only 3-4 sales today compare to 20-30 ?! what's happening this week ?
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: jonbull on March 21, 2018, 12:28
only 3-4 sales today compare to 20-30 ?! what's happening this week ?

this week?
this month?
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: derek on March 21, 2018, 13:46
only 3-4 sales today compare to 20-30 ?! what's happening this week ?

this week?
this month?

This year!
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Julied83 on March 21, 2018, 14:10
Today haha !
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Minsc on March 22, 2018, 01:20
In mother Russia, you don't spam Microstock. Microstock spams you.

March has been great so far. If things keep moving at this pace, I may have a new BME...but I probably won't.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: derek on March 22, 2018, 02:09
hahaha! good one Minsc!! ;D.........actually they are cutting the servers, blocking huge parts in Europe, mainly over night but even during certain hours of the day!
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: jonbull on March 22, 2018, 10:27
https://it.fotolia.com/p/204040982?filters%5Bage%5D=1m

another day in the life of ghostspambuster...here we have 10 files of a girl touching her hair randomly....again 33000 files uploaded this year...and i already said there are zillions of people ij those country who will soon enjoy spamming at maximum level.....


i'm still waiting for 1800000 spammed files from sweden...but there is no trace of our friends.....of 180 million files probably 50 60 are from russia ukraine combined and probably 58 are only repetition...if only uncle trump signed a law who prohibit any russian to work for american company.:))....now let's begin the flames:))
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Shelma1 on March 22, 2018, 10:41
There's a big difference between amortizing your costs by getting 100 shots of one model in different poses and shooting one photo and cropping that one photo ever so slightly differently 100 or more times. The first is perfectly logical and the second is spamming. I think the port you posted looks pretty logical.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: derek on March 22, 2018, 11:24
Shelma is right!  with all due respect johnbull but that port is not spam! just different angles, views thats all.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: jonbull on March 22, 2018, 11:45
There's a big difference between amortizing your costs by getting 100 shots of one model in different poses and shooting one photo and cropping that one photo ever so slightly differently 100 or more times. The first is perfectly logical and the second is spamming. I think the port you posted looks pretty logical.

while agree to a certain point...this portfolio is totally spamming. sorry.think eery body do this for any session...we will rich one billion in 2 days...this is spam...is like trying to persuade a woman going put for dinner calling her 1000 times...maybe after 1000 she agree...so here maybe after 1000 times uploading somebody will notice this poor photos.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Shelma1 on March 22, 2018, 13:34
I disagree. An art director might have a layout that works with a model's elbow in one place but not another. Or they might want a slight smile rather than a big smile. It's good to have a series of shots for them to choose from. If I paid for a model I'd want to get as many different shots as feasible for my money.

You'll see similar things with vectors. We'll reuse elements to form different compositions in a series. That's different than drawing one icon and just changing the background color 100 times.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: increasingdifficulty on March 27, 2018, 05:26
Seems to me you are more interested in private indviduals rather then adding to the conversation. Whats your port like? a "generalist" port I suspect?

I concentrate on nature, wildlife, travel, time lapse, but I'm not afraid to throw in some technology, 3D renders, a computer or a studio shot here and there.

well that wont get you very far out in the real world of photography, outside stock-photography. In that gigantic world of commissioned, advertising and corporate work the only ports that count is the specialist portfolio 100% geared to what you do! may it be still-life, life-style, medicine, industry, portraits, fashion, glamour, etc, etc.
If a client wanting to buy pictures for a travel catalogue it is of no use he invites photographers carrying studio-work, is it?  if he invites photographers planning a aircraft shoot I bet he dont want to see a portfolio of Fashion/glamour?? and the very LAST thing a picture-buyer wants to see is an "everything but nothing " portfolio!

Nice little rant, but who is talking about commissioned work? I do stock because I DON'T want to do commissioned work. I say no to 9/10 requests because I like to film/photograph/produce what I want, on my terms, in my own time.

I sell stock to make money selling stock. Not to get corporate gigs... Therefore, I prioritize maximizing stock sales, staying in the "fantasy world".  ;)

And specializing in an area is a little bit bigger than specializing in one single subject. For example, if I do nature, and discover that sunrises sell well, I don't fill my portfolio with 90% sunrises. No client needs 900 sunrises, they need one or three. So I fill my portfolio with animals, landscapes, mountain aerials, different locations around the world, etc.

The same if you're an industry specialist. With 90% cogwheels/ball bearings you're a cogwheel/ball bearing specialist, not an industry specialist. All you're doing is diluting your own sales across multiple items. You could be a lion specialist, but would most likely sell a lot more if you also photographed tigers, panthers, cheetahs, zebras, elephants, crocodiles and sharks.

Some variety is of course good, but stop at 10, or 50. Not 1,000... Search engines like sales numbers. They ALL do. With too many slightly different images of the same subject all you're doing is lowering the chances of really high sales on particular items.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: Zero Talent on March 27, 2018, 06:13
I disagree. An art director might have a layout that works with a model's elbow in one place but not another. Or they might want a slight smile rather than a big smile. It's good to have a series of shots for them to choose from.

No doubt.
This is why SS is encouraging us to "upload more of the same" on the mobile app.
But you must ask yourself if what is good for the art director is also good for you.

Following that advice (i.e."upload more of the same") is a mistake, in my opinion.

While it might be good for art directors and SS, too many choices will dilute your sales and shrink your revenue.

PS. Remember that Apple is very successful despite limitting choices to one or two iPhones per year.
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: increasingdifficulty on March 28, 2018, 06:03
But you must ask yourself if what is good for the art director is also good for you.

Following that advice (i.e."upload more of the same") is a mistake, in my opinion.

While it might be good for art directors and SS, too many choices will dilute your sales and shrink your revenue.

PS. Remember that Apple is very successful despite limitting choices to one or two iPhones per year.

Very, very true. Best for the buyer is unlimited angles and variations for free. Not best for us.  ;)
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: derek on March 28, 2018, 07:16
Seems to me you are more interested in private indviduals rather then adding to the conversation. Whats your port like? a "generalist" port I suspect?

I concentrate on nature, wildlife, travel, time lapse, but I'm not afraid to throw in some technology, 3D renders, a computer or a studio shot here and there.

well that wont get you very far out in the real world of photography, outside stock-photography. In that gigantic world of commissioned, advertising and corporate work the only ports that count is the specialist portfolio 100% geared to what you do! may it be still-life, life-style, medicine, industry, portraits, fashion, glamour, etc, etc.
If a client wanting to buy pictures for a travel catalogue it is of no use he invites photographers carrying studio-work, is it?  if he invites photographers planning a aircraft shoot I bet he dont want to see a portfolio of Fashion/glamour?? and the very LAST thing a picture-buyer wants to see is an "everything but nothing " portfolio!

Nice little rant, but who is talking about commissioned work? I do stock because I DON'T want to do commissioned work. I say no to 9/10 requests because I like to film/photograph/produce what I want, on my terms, in my own time.

I sell stock to make money selling stock. Not to get corporate gigs... Therefore, I prioritize maximizing stock sales, staying in the "fantasy world".  ;)

And specializing in an area is a little bit bigger than specializing in one single subject. For example, if I do nature, and discover that sunrises sell well, I don't fill my portfolio with 90% sunrises. No client needs 900 sunrises, they need one or three. So I fill my portfolio with animals, landscapes, mountain aerials, different locations around the world, etc.

The same if you're an industry specialist. With 90% cogwheels/ball bearings you're a cogwheel/ball bearing specialist, not an industry specialist. All you're doing is diluting your own sales across multiple items. You could be a lion specialist, but would most likely sell a lot more if you also photographed tigers, panthers, cheetahs, zebras, elephants, crocodiles and sharks.

Some variety is of course good, but stop at 10, or 50. Not 1,000... Search engines like sales numbers. They ALL do. With too many slightly different images of the same subject all you're doing is lowering the chances of really high sales on particular items.


Well the engineering parts alone sell for around $ 17-23K per year which pleases and yet its all my oil and gas industry images which outsell anything else by lightyears.

All in all I agree with you 100% and you have some great images in your portfolio and some even too good for micro-stock! Youre analogy is correct! :)
Title: Re: Anyone have sales today?
Post by: TommyBoy on March 28, 2018, 08:00
I’m getting way more single sales, March on Shutterstock is my BME at over 200% up.

Although bear in mind I’m a pretty small fish with 700 photos and 6 videos.