Author Topic: Beware of Shutterstock (Read 53949 times)

Susan S. · « **Reply #50 on:** December 29, 2007, 06:15 »

I think there is an issue of ethics here - and lots of grey areas where we will all draw lines in different places. My view is that it's not nice to copy someone else's work substantially, even if you go and start from scratch and do the vector pen work yourself. If you can draw it's pretty easy to copy someone's vector by eye and provide enough proof in the form of sketches/reference screen shots to satisfy a microstock that it's your "work". But you are piggy backing on someone else's original creation.
I think vectors are a bit different to say landscape photographs or images of famous places, when there are only so many ways you can take the image. I don't feel any moral qualms abut posting yet another set of images of a landmark - the lighting may be a bit different from other people's Millenium Bridge or St Pauls Cathedral or the Twelve Apostles or whatever- you aren't usually exploiting someone else's ideas doing so. The business handshake and other concept shots are a bit greyer. Yes stock photograph concepts do feed off each other and everyone seems to copycat to some extent. Personally I don't like to copy someone else's concept shots - I try to put a twist on them if I can, so I'm not purely a copyist.

But vector artwork (and icon construction in particular) are a concrete expression of a particular design idea - not just the concept but the actual style and form of its expression in this case - and trying to take a free ride on someone else's ideas is just so not cool. Yes it's true you can't copyright an idea. But copying someone else's expression of an idea that closely, even if you have redrawn the lines rather than tracing them is not something that I'd be happy with doing myself.

PenelopeB · « **Reply #51 on:** December 29, 2007, 08:09 »

Ever heard the saying "Great minds think alike." ?

I don't think for one minute that Hatman or I had any idea what the other was doing (based upon the very close up load date)

http://www.stockxpert.com/browse.phtml?f=view&id=844319 (uploaded Apr 27)

http://www.stockxpert.com/browse.phtml?f=view&id=749593 (uploaded Mar 18)

It is quoted that design work is 90% borrowed, 10% original. (not insinuating that you borrowed anything Hatman as I don't know when you took your photos, just that we each had a good idea with no knowledge of the other on the same track. I didn't see your photos on this subject until last week)

Relax people - stuff happens - its a big world.

leaf · « **Reply #52 on:** December 29, 2007, 14:02 »

Three posts have been removed from this thread for name calling. If your post was removed and you feel it had other good points (besides the name calling which was not a good point), you will have to re type what you said in a new post.

Editorial · « **Reply #53 on:** December 29, 2007, 16:27 »

Quote from: leaf on December 29, 2007, 14:02

Three posts have been removed from this thread for name calling. If your post was removed and you feel it had other good points (besides the name calling which was not a good point), you will have to re type what you said in a new post.

You're a gobshite and a spineless one at that. If ever an avatar was truly representative of an individual, your cows arse is more than fitting.

ason · « **Reply #54 on:** December 29, 2007, 16:34 »

English is not my (mothers)language...so just wonder..Editorial... what is a gobshite? or can u express this word in more words...
/lena

Editorial · « **Reply #55 on:** December 29, 2007, 16:40 »

Quote from: ason on December 29, 2007, 16:34

English is not my (mothers)language...so just wonder..Editorial... what is a gobshite? or can u express this word in more words...
/lena

A gobshite is typically one who exerts undue influence over a discussion as we've seen here. Basically a pathetic little power tripper who's neurotic censorship raises his head at the first hint of controversy.

Case in point:

Why wasn't this thread removed and numerous others like it? It's because we have an Norwegian idiot who deletes virtually every post this journalist makes under the guise of censorship. Go check out the link and it'll prove just how much of a two-faced gobshite leaf actually is... LOL

http://www.microstockgroup.com/index.php?topic=2334.msg19709#msg19709 [nofollow]

ason · « **Reply #56 on:** December 29, 2007, 17:08 »

Thanks...hmm.maybee I understand gobshit in english now. In swedish gobshit is: older men that not can work together trying to be the best -gubbskit....

Mellimage · « **Reply #57 on:** December 29, 2007, 17:38 »

Quote from: Editorial on December 29, 2007, 16:40

A gobshite is typically one who exerts undue influence over a discussion as we've seen here. Basically a pathetic little power tripper who's neurotic censorship raises his head at the first hint of controversy.

Case in point:

Why wasn't this thread removed and numerous others like it? It's because we have an Norwegian idiot who deletes virtually every post this journalist makes under the guise of censorship. Go check out the link and it'll prove just how much of a two-faced gobshite leaf actually is... LOL

http://www.microstockgroup.com/index.php?topic=2334.msg19709#msg19709

I feel your tone is out of line ... . I would be happy to see this post removed too.

HughStoneIan · « **Reply #58 on:** December 29, 2007, 17:49 »

Leaf,

Thank you for practising environmentally-friendly censorship on your non-government-owned website. It keeps the air clean and smelling much better around here. I don't think most of us are interested in being around the smell of a garbage dump.

ale1969 · « **Reply #59 on:** December 29, 2007, 17:52 »

Quote from: HughStoneIan on December 29, 2007, 17:49

Leaf,

Thank you for practising environmentally-friendly censorship on your non-government-owned website. It keeps the air clean and smelling much better around here. I don't think most of us are interested in being around the smell of a garbage dump.

** Approved**

I couldn't express the same concept with better words.

(Btw Editorial, go read the definition of "forum troll")

pixelbrat · « **Reply #60 on:** December 29, 2007, 17:59 »

Quote from: ale1969 on December 29, 2007, 17:52

Quote from: HughStoneIan on December 29, 2007, 17:49
Leaf,

Thank you for practising environmentally-friendly censorship on your non-government-owned website. It keeps the air clean and smelling much better around here. I don't think most of us are interested in being around the smell of a garbage dump.

** Approved**

I couldn't express the same concept with better words.

(Btw Editorial, go read the definition of "forum troll")

I agree as well. Editorial is way of of line.

sharply_done · « **Reply #61 on:** December 29, 2007, 19:16 »

Quote from: Editorial on December 29, 2007, 16:40

A gobshite is typically one who exerts undue influence over a discussion ...

Actually, Editorial, a gobshite is Irish/British slang for
1. a mean and contemptible person, esp. a braggart.
2. a stupid and incompetent person.

Oh, the irony ...

zymmetricaldotcom · « **Reply #62 on:** December 29, 2007, 19:52 »

Oh noez, ze troll! This is what makes running a forum a pain, general riffraff can show up like a car accident and make things dreary for the rest of us. Please Leaf, pay no mind to this guy (other than the 'delete' button). Let's all aspire to show more respect in the new year.

leaf · « **Reply #63 on:** December 29, 2007, 20:26 »

Allright - 2 points of interest

- that thread that Editorial linked to (which didn´t really have much a purpose or use to anyone) has been quaranteened - he did have a good point there, that thread wasn´t too useful.

- The user editorial has been banned for actions typical of someone ´wanting´be be banned

and now back to our regular programming.

HughStoneIan · « **Reply #64 on:** December 29, 2007, 23:58 »

Quote from: ale1969 on December 29, 2007, 17:52

(Btw Editorial, go read the definition of "forum troll")

I decided to take your advice to Editorial, and went and got myself educated on "forum trolls" quite thoroughly. I highly recommend to anyone on this and other forums to learn all you can about trolls. I'm sure this is old stuff for some of you, but not everyone is aware of it. One interesting passage from that research is the following:

"The only way to deal with trolls is to limit your reaction to reminding others not to respond to trolls. By posting such a message, you let the troll know that you know what he is, and that you are not going to get dragged into his twisted little hobby."

Wow. Doesn't that description just fit in this case??

And thanks again, Leaf. Some of us actually appreciate your work!

helix7 · « **Reply #65 on:** December 30, 2007, 12:01 »

Quote from: crashoran on December 28, 2007, 21:35

My account has been reinstated. Back to selling photos.

I am going to delete this icon set...

Good to hear. I never wanted to see your whole account deleted, and it is a shame that SS goes to these extremes. It makes me question whether I would ever report something like this again because not every case deserves the same action. Had you several questionable images like this in your gallery, it might be a different story. But one error in judgement does not warrent complete account deactivation.

RacePhoto · « **Reply #66 on:** December 30, 2007, 12:16 »

Quote from: HughStoneIan on December 29, 2007, 17:49

Leaf,

Thank you for practising environmentally-friendly censorship on your non-government-owned website. It keeps the air clean and smelling much better around here. I don't think most of us are interested in being around the smell of a garbage dump.

Self moderation is the best moderation. When that doesn't work, someone has to sweep the streets for us.

Artists Right and the Law, Harvard law school, plus some interesting intro to copyright sections. Entertaining and educational reading.

http://www.law.harvard.edu/faculty/martin/art_law/image_rights.htm

I found this site when searching for the Rogers v. Koons case, where he admitted he was "inspired" and made it into a sculpture. His defense was that his are is based on copying iconic art. (or something in that vein) What stuck him was notes on the original card from a gift shop, of the inspiration for his work, with notes about how exact he wanted things to be reproduced, written in his own hand writing.

Trolls are those ugly lawn ornaments with pointy red caps and the travelocity guys, right.

I used to moderate two large communities, so please don't correct me. Our rule was Warn if that didn't work, vacation (aka a couple weeks time out), if that didn't do it, Ban But most of all IGNORE because usually the trolls are just looking for attention.

See Vacation / Travelocity, Trolls / Gnomes, it's all the same!

sharpshot · « **Reply #67 on:** December 30, 2007, 13:31 »

Quote from: leaf on December 29, 2007, 20:26

Allright - 2 points of interest

- that thread that Editorial linked to (which didn´t really have much a purpose or use to anyone) has been quaranteened - he did have a good point there, that thread wasn´t too useful.

- The user editorial has been banned for actions typical of someone ´wanting´be be banned

and now back to our regular programming.

He picked on the wrong person

A good decision. I wish other forums would do the same.

sharpshot · « **Reply #68 on:** December 30, 2007, 13:35 »

Those icons look far too similar for my liking. Just a few differences and I am sure there would be no problems.

digiology · « **Reply #69 on:** December 30, 2007, 13:37 »

Well to give Crashoran the benefit of the doubt. I have to say I find the icons somewhat generic and find it very plausible that two people (or more) could have come up with simular looking artwork.

I am glad that your account is re-instated and wish you many sales in 2008.

And Leaf - you do a great job here and I appreciate your effort keeping these forums up and running smoothly for the microstock community - Thanks!

Alex · « **Reply #70 on:** December 30, 2007, 15:09 »

Yes on another forum the person who finally had the courage to stand up to Editorials constant abuse was banned... glad to see that Editorial is not in control here and that he was not allowed to continue to bully the contributors on this forum. Now if we could just do something about the carpet baggers always trying to sell us something!

Quote from: sharpshot on December 30, 2007, 13:31

Quote from: leaf on December 29, 2007, 20:26
Allright - 2 points of interest

- that thread that Editorial linked to (which didn´t really have much a purpose or use to anyone) has been quaranteened - he did have a good point there, that thread wasn´t too useful.

- The user editorial has been banned for actions typical of someone ´wanting´be be banned

and now back to our regular programming.

He picked on the wrong person A good decision. I wish other forums would do the same.

vonkara · « **Reply #71 on:** December 30, 2007, 15:35 »

Quote from: Alex on December 30, 2007, 15:09

Yes on another forum the person who finally had the courage to stand up to Editorials constant abuse was banned... glad to see that Editorial is not in control here and that he was not allowed to continue to bully the contributors on this forum. Now if we could just do something about the carpet baggers always trying to sell us something!

I don't understand how other forums can support this?

crashoran · « **Reply #72 on:** December 30, 2007, 17:29 »

Thanks Helix,

I saw those other vector floral copies on the SS forums, and those in my opinion were obviously copied - even with the same keywords, forgetting to remove "Vector" from his raster file

yingyang0 · « **Reply #73 on:** December 30, 2007, 18:49 »

Quote from: Alex on December 30, 2007, 15:09

Now if we could just do something about the carpet baggers always trying to sell us something!

This thread has used more colorful language than I've seen in a long time. "carpet bagger". Haven't heard that one in years (then again haven't been been in the south for years).

a.k.a.-tom · « **Reply #74 on:** December 30, 2007, 20:56 »

Quote from: leaf on December 29, 2007, 20:26

and now back to our regular programming.

One of the things that attracted me to this forum was the fact that everyone... for the most part... acted like family here. Yeah there is the occassional heavy discussion, same as you find in a family. But in the end, most of the folks here go out of their way to help and encourage each other.
This is the only forum I participate in. The only one. I appreciate Leaf's efforts to keep it ...'a family'.

=tom

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Author Topic: Beware of Shutterstock (Read 53949 times)

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