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« Reply #125 on: July 18, 2018, 19:17 »
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My sales for the last few days are exactly 3 adding up to a pathetic $1.08 per day This is controlled for sure.

Did it ever cross your mind that maybe only your port is controlled?

Mine cannot be, since a sell multiple dozens of times more than you.  :P

What are you even doing here, taking so much server space with your pathetic performance?
« Last Edit: July 18, 2018, 19:19 by Zero Talent »


« Reply #126 on: July 19, 2018, 07:26 »
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My sales for the last few days are exactly 3 adding up to a pathetic $1.08 per day This is controlled for sure.

Did it ever cross your mind that maybe only your port is controlled?

Mine cannot be, since a sell multiple dozens of times more than you.  :P

What are you even doing here, taking so much server space with your pathetic performance?

Of course you do  ::) You can keep your facetious comments to yourself.
« Last Edit: July 19, 2018, 08:57 by Herg »

« Reply #127 on: July 19, 2018, 09:23 »
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My sales for the last few days are exactly 3 adding up to a pathetic $1.08 per day This is controlled for sure.

Did it ever cross your mind that maybe only your port is controlled?

Mine cannot be, since a sell multiple dozens of times more than you.  :P

What are you even doing here, taking so much server space with your pathetic performance?

Of course you do  ::) You can keep your facetious comments to yourself.

I could keep them for myself, indeed, but I won't.  :P

As long as this forum gives you the right to spread pathetic excuses for your lack of performance, I will use the same rights to debunk your conspiracy theories and call you out.

How can you have the audacity to claim you understand how this business works when you can only make "3 sales in a few days"?

Unbelievable!

« Reply #128 on: July 19, 2018, 09:27 »
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I am not going to bite your pathetic bait. I am confident enough in my own abilities as a photographer. There are some very good photographers out there stating sales have drastically dropped. Some of this will be due to SS's lack of security as images are easily stolen. And don't bother replying as I have selected "ignore" for your profile.

« Reply #129 on: July 19, 2018, 09:35 »
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And don't bother replying as I have selected "ignore" for your profile.

No surprise here, "ignore" is for cowards too afraid to face the real world  :P
Keep living in your bubble, shielded from facts and opinions contrary to yours!


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« Reply #130 on: July 20, 2018, 02:55 »
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There are some very good photographers out there stating sales have drastically dropped.

I'm sure there are, but how does that have any relation to Shutterstock using a controlled revenue system?

« Reply #131 on: July 20, 2018, 16:17 »
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There are some very good photographers out there stating sales have drastically dropped.

I'm sure there are, but how does that have any relation to Shutterstock using a controlled revenue system?

Don't bother to challenge Herg's bubble. You might already be "ignored"  ;D
« Last Edit: July 20, 2018, 16:26 by Zero Talent »

« Reply #132 on: July 22, 2018, 02:45 »
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I ignore quite a few. the ones who have some sort of agenda, who wanna get personal and have nothing really to say of value or, worth the time reading. Some are Idiots I probably gave a poor critique to and Can't let it go from insecurity. Super easy to spot. Same Low class ramble.I express my opinions. I prefer you don't agree, thats where we start a conversion. But personal Amateur Attack Crap just Makes then Look dumber.

OK...Myself and about 30 others I trust have been comparing Some stuff. I still Have good downloads But Me and My friends who are all 12+ year vets here all say the same things and remember. I just saying and talking about them and Myself on the topic of "controlled Income"...This is not a tinfoil Hat suspicion.........
Why is it that with a port of 6800 Fairly good Images, I sell the exact same amount every day day....7 Days a week and so are My friends. Not all But the majority....
AND they are basically the same Images uploaded the same time give or take 6 Months.


The Chances of this happening are pretty Rare to say the least. So,,Manipulation of sales. I, Honestly can't think of another scenario .
Now, you wanna discuss? or get personal? If personal and ya wanna say some crap. go somewhere else. your Probably Ignored anyway. thats what Im seeing. Any thoughts? Newbies don't apply Please. Love ya but......Please. get some history and experience.

And....If this does apply to you Please Send me a PM and email so we can stay in touch. Im not anonymous, I don't hide. I say what I feel.And I don't run........

SpaceStockFootage

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« Reply #133 on: July 22, 2018, 03:18 »
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Selling the same amount every day, of every week, since time began... is highly unlikely, slightly suspicious and if it's happening to multiple people then I could maybe get on board with the possibility of something fishy afoot. But do you really sell exactly the same amount every day, of every week, since the beginning of time?! Could you really use your sales chart as a spirit level in construction projects?

I appreciate you didn't say 'every week since the beginning of time', but if you're just saying that you usually get the same amount of sales on a daily basis... but your weekly, monthly and annual sales fluctuate... then that's not really saying much is it?

« Reply #134 on: July 22, 2018, 03:54 »
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In the end though while its an interesting and emotive subject there's nothing we can do about it other than change our own behavior as I doubt there's anything illegal going on and I doubt anyone has deep enough pockets to test that it in court.

Noedelhap

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« Reply #135 on: July 22, 2018, 06:06 »
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If there is controlled revenue, then how come each contributor's plateau lies somewhere else? Say, Person A has a plateau of $200 monthly (i.e. he won't ever make more than that, no matter how hard he tries) but Person B has a plateau of $1000. Seems rather arbitrary, doesn't it? How is that number decided then?

Now, a gradually decreasing profit is very normal in most businesses and fields. Your revenue plateau is most likely just a combination of 1) your own personal effort 2) port quality 3) competition in your subject matter 4) buyer numbers 5) changing trends.

Each factor has numerous parameters that ultimately determine your port performance.
Your profit may rise, plateau or even decrease as years go by, depending of how favorable market conditions are. And that's all there is to it. No conspiracy, no secret SS department closely monitoring your personal port, no devious algorithms designed to screw you over on a personal level.

« Reply #136 on: July 22, 2018, 07:04 »
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If there is controlled revenue, then how come each contributor's plateau lies somewhere else? Say, Person A has a plateau of $200 monthly (i.e. he won't ever make more than that, no matter how hard he tries) but Person B has a plateau of $1000. Seems rather arbitrary, doesn't it? How is that number decided then?

Now, a gradually decreasing profit is very normal in most businesses and fields. Your revenue plateau is most likely just a combination of 1) your own personal effort 2) port quality 3) competition in your subject matter 4) buyer numbers 5) changing trends.

Each factor has numerous parameters that ultimately determine your port performance.
Your profit may rise, plateau or even decrease as years go by, depending of how favorable market conditions are. And that's all there is to it. No conspiracy, no secret SS department closely monitoring your personal port, no devious algorithms designed to screw you over on a personal level.


I agree with everything you say...until people start saying that they are making the same exact amount, every day, then get to a number and sales stop. That sounds like something rotten in Denmark. Could be coincidence, but companies are greedy, so Im not ready to discount the conspiracy. I personally do not see the same exact amount of sales from SS every month, but I am not actively uploading anymore so my sales are more trickles than steady streams.

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #137 on: July 22, 2018, 08:13 »
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If there is controlled revenue, then how come each contributor's plateau lies somewhere else? Say, Person A has a plateau of $200 monthly (i.e. he won't ever make more than that, no matter how hard he tries) but Person B has a plateau of $1000. Seems rather arbitrary, doesn't it? How is that number decided then?

Now, a gradually decreasing profit is very normal in most businesses and fields. Your revenue plateau is most likely just a combination of 1) your own personal effort 2) port quality 3) competition in your subject matter 4) buyer numbers 5) changing trends.

Each factor has numerous parameters that ultimately determine your port performance.
Your profit may rise, plateau or even decrease as years go by, depending of how favorable market conditions are. And that's all there is to it. No conspiracy, no secret SS department closely monitoring your personal port, no devious algorithms designed to screw you over on a personal level.

Not a controlled limit for for the reasons you mention, but I also ask why are the limits different? The answer I'd say is this, there is a plateau for earnings for the content each of us has for sale. Mine is different, no models, no studio, so the demand for that is lower than someone who shoots with models. Also the performance of each of us, is based on our type of content and subjects.

It's just as natural as a little corner store, selling less of a variety of products, while a Walmart has many more. But the Walmart has an predictable and stable sales each month. So does the little store. They aren't the same, but once a business reaches it's capacity, or maximum potential for what it's marketing, there's you flat growth point. Adding more of the same photos, against a growing competition, will not produce the one time growth that we once saw.

So, aside from conspiracy theories, and imaginary conclusions from personal observations (not data collection and study), there are basic economic factors that would predict that Microstock would become a flat market for us as individuals. The agencies are also finding the market is saturated, buyer numbers will grow, but not as fast.

Meanwhile we have competition, millions of new images a week. For the agencies the competition is dropping, not growing.

There is nothing unusual about stable returns for a portfolio in a market that has reached it's limits for demand and sales. I'm actually surprised that some incomes haven't dropped more, against the new competition and files that are flooding in. Contrary to some, this isn't hurting my sales much, because low quality or common subjects, aren't going to interfere with my best selling images. They will cause a drop in my common or Crapstock shots that have been online for a decade.

What I mean overall is I don't see a bright future or growth for myself. I'm happy to have a stable return on what I do. I don't see anything unusual about reaching the point where growth of sales has gone flat. The same thing happens to any new product once it has reached the market capacity.

niktol

« Reply #138 on: July 22, 2018, 08:52 »
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I'd be surprised if sales did not go flat at some point of time. Then I'd suspect something is fishy. Like aliens taking over the Earth via microstock sites.

farbled

« Reply #139 on: July 22, 2018, 10:32 »
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I appreciate you didn't say 'every week since the beginning of time', but if you're just saying that you usually get the same amount of sales on a daily basis... but your weekly, monthly and annual sales fluctuate... then that's not really saying much is it?

This is how the discussion goes sideways. He didn't say this part in bold, you added it on. So now we talk about how modest fluctuations disprove the data instead of what people are actually saying is happening.

« Reply #140 on: July 22, 2018, 11:34 »
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I appreciate you didn't say 'every week since the beginning of time', but if you're just saying that you usually get the same amount of sales on a daily basis... but your weekly, monthly and annual sales fluctuate... then that's not really saying much is it?

This is how the discussion goes sideways. He didn't say this part in bold, you added it on. So now we talk about how modest fluctuations disprove the data instead of what people are actually saying is happening.

No, this is very relevant to the discussion actually. Because "modest fluctuations" on top of a small data sample can render that "constant" sales not so constant, thus disproofing the whole theory.

farbled

« Reply #141 on: July 22, 2018, 11:55 »
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I appreciate you didn't say 'every week since the beginning of time', but if you're just saying that you usually get the same amount of sales on a daily basis... but your weekly, monthly and annual sales fluctuate... then that's not really saying much is it?

This is how the discussion goes sideways. He didn't say this part in bold, you added it on. So now we talk about how modest fluctuations disprove the data instead of what people are actually saying is happening.

No, this is very relevant to the discussion actually. Because "modest fluctuations" on top of a small data sample can render that "constant" sales not so constant, thus disproofing the whole theory.

I am not disagreeing that modest fluctuations disprove any theory. What I am saying is that the only people bringing up modest (or any) fluctuations, are those saying nothing is wrong.

This is the same way gun control arguments go off the rails every time. Someone will say "control is needed" and the naysayers immediately say "you can't ban all guns." Not incorrect, but irrelevant to the argument.


« Reply #142 on: July 22, 2018, 16:41 »
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Thank you guys for some adult talk. great points.

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« Reply #143 on: July 22, 2018, 20:35 »
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I appreciate you didn't say 'every week since the beginning of time', but if you're just saying that you usually get the same amount of sales on a daily basis... but your weekly, monthly and annual sales fluctuate... then that's not really saying much is it?

This is how the discussion goes sideways. He didn't say this part in bold, you added it on. So now we talk about how modest fluctuations disprove the data instead of what people are actually saying is happening.

Read my entire reply. As he didn't provide clarification, I provided two answers... one for if his sales are completely level, and one for if his sales fluctuate.

farbled

« Reply #144 on: July 22, 2018, 20:46 »
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I read your reply fully. Thanks for assuming I didn't. I stand by my reply.

Doesn't really matter, the discussion hasn't changed anyone's minds thus far. Those who experience it know what their stats show, those who don't simply don't believe it.

namussi

« Reply #145 on: July 22, 2018, 20:55 »
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I read your reply fully. Thanks for assuming I didn't. I stand by my reply.

Doesn't really matter, the discussion hasn't changed anyone's minds thus far. Those who experience it know what their stats show, those who don't simply don't believe it.

Go on a fairground ride, and centrifugal forces feel very real, don't they?

But they don't exist.

What you are feeling is a combination of momentum, and centripetal forces.

(Centripetal forces are the opposite to what centrifugal forces are supposed to be. You are actually being drawn into the centre of rotation, not pushed or pulled outwards.)

I suspect "controlled revenue" or "capping" are much like centrifugal forces.

They feel real -- after all that's what the stats show -- but the actual explanation is very different.

(There's also the danger of committing the logical fallacy of "affirming the consequent".)

SpaceStockFootage

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« Reply #146 on: July 23, 2018, 00:06 »
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I read your reply fully. Thanks for assuming I didn't. I stand by my reply.

Doesn't really matter, the discussion hasn't changed anyone's minds thus far. Those who experience it know what their stats show, those who don't simply don't believe it.

Well based on your reply, you either didn't read my entire post or you didn't understand it. So I apologise for assuming you understood it but hadn't read it all... and thanks for clarifying that it's the other way around.

« Reply #147 on: July 23, 2018, 05:22 »
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I ignore quite a few. the ones who have some sort of agenda, who wanna get personal and have nothing really to say of value or, worth the time reading. Some are Idiots I probably gave a poor critique to and Can't let it go from insecurity. Super easy to spot. Same Low class ramble.I express my opinions. I prefer you don't agree, thats where we start a conversion. But personal Amateur Attack Crap just Makes then Look dumber.

OK...Myself and about 30 others I trust have been comparing Some stuff. I still Have good downloads But Me and My friends who are all 12+ year vets here all say the same things and remember. I just saying and talking about them and Myself on the topic of "controlled Income"...This is not a tinfoil Hat suspicion.........
Why is it that with a port of 6800 Fairly good Images, I sell the exact same amount every day day....7 Days a week and so are My friends. Not all But the majority....
AND they are basically the same Images uploaded the same time give or take 6 Months.


The Chances of this happening are pretty Rare to say the least. So,,Manipulation of sales. I, Honestly can't think of another scenario .
Now, you wanna discuss? or get personal? If personal and ya wanna say some crap. go somewhere else. your Probably Ignored anyway. thats what Im seeing. Any thoughts? Newbies don't apply Please. Love ya but......Please. get some history and experience.

And....If this does apply to you Please Send me a PM and email so we can stay in touch. Im not anonymous, I don't hide. I say what I feel.And I don't run........

At last, a voice of sanity. I agree with all you say, especially the trolling.

farbled

« Reply #148 on: July 23, 2018, 08:48 »
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Well based on your reply, you either didn't read my entire post or you didn't understand it. So I apologise for assuming you understood it but hadn't read it all... and thanks for clarifying that it's the other way around.

Lol, I was going to say the same thing to you but I thought it would be rude. No worries. As I said, no one's minds are being changed.

« Reply #149 on: July 23, 2018, 14:32 »
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I ignore quite a few. the ones who have some sort of agenda, who wanna get personal and have nothing really to say of value or, worth the time reading. Some are Idiots I probably gave a poor critique to and Can't let it go from insecurity. Super easy to spot. Same Low class ramble.I express my opinions. I prefer you don't agree, thats where we start a conversion. But personal Amateur Attack Crap just Makes then Look dumber.

OK...Myself and about 30 others I trust have been comparing Some stuff. I still Have good downloads But Me and My friends who are all 12+ year vets here all say the same things and remember. I just saying and talking about them and Myself on the topic of "controlled Income"...This is not a tinfoil Hat suspicion.........
Why is it that with a port of 6800 Fairly good Images, I sell the exact same amount every day day....7 Days a week and so are My friends. Not all But the majority....
AND they are basically the same Images uploaded the same time give or take 6 Months.


The Chances of this happening are pretty Rare to say the least. So,,Manipulation of sales. I, Honestly can't think of another scenario .
Now, you wanna discuss? or get personal? If personal and ya wanna say some crap. go somewhere else. your Probably Ignored anyway. thats what Im seeing. Any thoughts? Newbies don't apply Please. Love ya but......Please. get some history and experience.

And....If this does apply to you Please Send me a PM and email so we can stay in touch. Im not anonymous, I don't hide. I say what I feel.And I don't run........

At last, a voice of sanity. I agree with all you say, especially the trolling.

Because you want to believe he actually has 30 friends, all old timers, all with similar uploads, same dates, and numbers who are seeing the same controlled revenue. Talk about someone with a personal agenda. Bluffing and making up his facts is the favorite way for Rinder to convince people he knows best.

Note how he slams anyone who disagrees or points out his make believe as, someone he gave a bad review, like we care so much about how the master Rinder gives his reviews from the royal laptop, and honors us with his greatness.

You've been fooled, now you call his make believe world, sanity?  :o


 

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