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« Reply #25 on: March 18, 2017, 01:52 »
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"The galleries with "only the best" performed DOUBLE than the one containing the best and the rest, in proportion." what does "in proportion" mean. Its absolute income that counts

er... not when you try a model.

They had a user, suppose USER001, this is up and working: it has, NOW, 40000 files.
In the meanwhile they opened USER002 and USER003.

002 and 003 have 10000 pics each.

Obviously you can't do an absolute comparison. But you could do this in proportion.

And in proportion, USER001 that in absolute income is performing well, in proportion is not performing as good as 002 and 003 do.

That means "in proportion": that when user002 and 003 will have the same amount of files, they will perform BETTER than 001.
So by slashing a portfolio your total sales go down but your RPI goes up great but your total income goes down how is that better?


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« Reply #26 on: March 18, 2017, 03:38 »
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Where would you draw the line though? If you have 1000 images and you get rid of 500, why not get rid of 999 and just keep your best one? Would sales of your one image increase enough to cover whatever sales you got on the other 999? I'd be very surprised!

So even if this deleting some of your portfolio theory did work, there would have to be some kind of sweet spot of what percentage of your portfolio to delete, which is going to vary considerably depending on the person and the portfolio. One persons worst 50% could be better than another persons best 50%.

But still, this all relies on sales of your remaining 50% to increase enough to compensate for the loss of the 50% that you've deleted, and I can't see that happening. Maybe a slight amount, if people look at your portfolio, see loads of great images and decide to start following you, or bookmark your page or something... but like others have said, people are usually looking for just one specific image or video... they're rarely browsing through portfolio after portfolio.


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« Reply #27 on: March 18, 2017, 03:42 »
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Looks like a great vanity project: deleting a lot of pictures to artificially improve your RPI.
You start. Then I won't follow.
If enough people will follow you I'm sure my sales will improve.

« Reply #28 on: March 18, 2017, 04:31 »
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Looks like a great vanity project: deleting a lot of pictures to artificially improve your RPI.
You start. Then I won't follow.
If enough people will follow you I'm sure my sales will improve.
Exactly RPI on its own is pretty meaningless.....what really matters is money in vs cost (including your time) out. Obviously if you can improve RPI without increasing costs that good but as you say improving it by increasing costs by reviewing your port has no value.

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« Reply #29 on: March 18, 2017, 07:30 »
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This seems a very complicated way of saying good images sell better than bad ones....I'll go along with that theory. The rest is deeply flawed logic.

Indeed. As the weaker images are selling, just in lower numbers, what would the point be in deleting them?

« Reply #30 on: March 18, 2017, 08:33 »
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Completely impossible comparison.

If there indeed are no duplicates, and the good images are deleted from the "bad" portfolio and uploaded to new portfolios they are all new and will be treated very differently by the search engine.

The only interesting result would be if only the bad images were deleted (not re-uploaded) and the overall revenue increased.

niktol

« Reply #31 on: March 18, 2017, 10:39 »
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Don't really know what that strategy achieves. We are not paying for storage. I've had pics that were dormant for a couple of years, then bam, sold for a few hundred. The inner machinations of buyers' minds are an enigma.

I agree that there is not a "only Truth".
They observed a long-time running very good portfolio and then placed side by side other 2 portfolios and continued running the first. But changing strategies. This strategy seemed to work well, enhancing the whole portfolio performance.

Men, I'm not here to say "you all are wrong": this is only a series of facts that I had the chance to see. This is neither a rule, nor a religion: only a thing I'm telling to the ones  that have considered to delete what they itself consider as not-good files "but it's free".
Maybe the cost is not an expense, but an handicap in selling.

The problem with this reasoning is that in the series of facts you are not following all the facts, but just the ones that are consistent with their -let me be honest - flawed hypothesis. No shame in that, many people are making that mistake when there are too many variables and they don't know what they are.  There are simpler explanations of what they observe. They have some empirically discovered way to do things, it works, I get it, but accurate interpretations obviously isn't their strong side. There are just so many things that are wrong with this idea, I wouldn't even know where to begin.

Don't worry too much about bad pics, just try and produce more of the good ones.
« Last Edit: March 18, 2017, 10:50 by niktol »

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« Reply #32 on: March 18, 2017, 14:33 »
+1
there's so much wrong in the OP, don't even know where to start. worst advice ever.,

+ but I'd also agree they should do this, if they would also delete all files that compete with mine.  :)

How do people have same images on multiple portfolios and use different names. Isn't that something that would get us banned for life?

niktol

« Reply #33 on: March 18, 2017, 15:39 »
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How do people have same images on multiple portfolios and use different names. Isn't that something that would get us banned for life?

My understanding is that each portfolio is in the name of a different team member. Or something along this line. Portfolios don't overlap, so the validity of comparison between "good" and "bad" pics is very questionable. However, I am not 100% sure, I have a hard time understanding what exactly is going on.

« Reply #34 on: March 18, 2017, 16:53 »
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i think the OP is a bit lost

« Reply #35 on: March 18, 2017, 17:14 »
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I have some friends that sell very, very well. They worked as one photographer using 1 account.
When they started to sell for 5000$ a month they started to have problems with our country taxes so they decided to split, open one account per person and level up the whole of their portfolio.

How did they have problem with the taxes? To me it reads like they didn't report income, and 5000$ per month was too much to hide.

They had the opportunity to try some "what if" experiment: they left every kind of sh*t in the main portfolio and started to upload ONLY the cream in the new accounts or to return and delete what they considered "not perfect".

The galleries with "only the best" performed DOUBLE than the one containing the best and the rest, in proportion.

So if you were thinking "is it a good idea to delete all my cr*p and leave only the best images?" ... well: yes, it is.

Why?

I don't know: I guess it's because of the way the customer see your portfolio: they see a good image, but not useful to their needs: they open your portfolio and see ONLY THE BEST, without cr*p: this probably is impressive and sells! :-)

I'm not able to do this NOW: but when I'll double my portfolio I'll do this for sure: this may halve the time for the customers to find what they want without seeing all my so-so experiments!

Nice bedtime story.

You sound like you're from eastern europe btw, am I right?

« Reply #36 on: March 19, 2017, 03:13 »
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"The galleries with "only the best" performed DOUBLE than the one containing the best and the rest, in proportion." what does "in proportion" mean. Its absolute income that counts

er... not when you try a model.

They had a user, suppose USER001, this is up and working: it has, NOW, 40000 files.
In the meanwhile they opened USER002 and USER003.

002 and 003 have 10000 pics each.

Obviously you can't do an absolute comparison. But you could do this in proportion.

And in proportion, USER001 that in absolute income is performing well, in proportion is not performing as good as 002 and 003 do.

That means "in proportion": that when user002 and 003 will have the same amount of files, they will perform BETTER than 001.
So by slashing a portfolio your total sales go down but your RPI goes up great but your total income goes down how is that better?

Of course I'm not very good at English, but you prefer to consider it a logic problem. I see.
No one , never, said slashing a portfolio makes total sales going down: this is another very important point.

Where did I write that total sales goes down?

« Reply #37 on: March 19, 2017, 03:21 »
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Where would you draw the line though? If you have 1000 images and you get rid of 500, why not get rid of 999 and just keep your best one? Would sales of your one image increase enough to cover whatever sales you got on the other 999? I'd be very surprised!

So even if this deleting some of your portfolio theory did work, there would have to be some kind of sweet spot of what percentage of your portfolio to delete, which is going to vary considerably depending on the person and the portfolio. One persons worst 50% could be better than another persons best 50%.

But still, this all relies on sales of your remaining 50% to increase enough to compensate for the loss of the 50% that you've deleted, and I can't see that happening. Maybe a slight amount, if people look at your portfolio, see loads of great images and decide to start following you, or bookmark your page or something... but like others have said, people are usually looking for just one specific image or video... they're rarely browsing through portfolio after portfolio.

Of course there is no clue in erasing 999 files if your experience tells you that there are 500 good files and 500 so-so; obviously it's your choice and it's a choice IF YOU HAVE THIS DOUBT: if you don't have it, this is not a post about something you never thought about. But you know there is a lot of other people with this exact question in mind about old bad files, don't you?

Of course I'm not telling "hey people, delete!!!!!", I'm not telling this. I'm talking to the ones that 1) were thinking about this 2) wanted some information about this

Talking about me: my portfolio is too little and with mixed quality ... I'll keep trying to get better quality, and one day I think I'm going to erase something. But not at the moment.

And I see: if you "feel" that people come only using search, you're perfectly right.

« Reply #38 on: March 19, 2017, 03:25 »
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Looks like a great vanity project: deleting a lot of pictures to artificially improve your RPI.
You start. Then I won't follow.
If enough people will follow you I'm sure my sales will improve.

Oh my gosh, I'll tried to talk about this experience, that's NOT my experience.
I'll try to do this when my port will be VERY VERY good in numbers AND in quality.

Of course this kind of topic is not your kind of topic: but I've read so many times people asking "do you think I have to erase old pics not selling" etc etc etc.

There was ONLY one way and ONE answer: you don't pay for storage, you could sell that file one day: all earning.
Stop.

These friends I talked with don't agree and have changed this way of managing the port, with ONE of their portfolios.

As I said, I can't afford this experiment: too low general quality, too few images.

« Reply #39 on: March 19, 2017, 03:26 »
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"The galleries with "only the best" performed DOUBLE than the one containing the best and the rest, in proportion." what does "in proportion" mean. Its absolute income that counts

er... not when you try a model.

They had a user, suppose USER001, this is up and working: it has, NOW, 40000 files.
In the meanwhile they opened USER002 and USER003.

002 and 003 have 10000 pics each.

Obviously you can't do an absolute comparison. But you could do this in proportion.

And in proportion, USER001 that in absolute income is performing well, in proportion is not performing as good as 002 and 003 do.

That means "in proportion": that when user002 and 003 will have the same amount of files, they will perform BETTER than 001.
So by slashing a portfolio your total sales go down but your RPI goes up great but your total income goes down how is that better?

Of course I'm not very good at English, but you prefer to consider it a logic problem. I see.
No one , never, said slashing a portfolio makes total sales going down: this is another very important point.

Where did I write that total sales goes down?
So you are saying total sales go up with a reduced portfolio? In actual numbers not in proportion?

« Reply #40 on: March 19, 2017, 03:31 »
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This seems a very complicated way of saying good images sell better than bad ones....I'll go along with that theory. The rest is deeply flawed logic.

Indeed. As the weaker images are selling, just in lower numbers, what would the point be in deleting them?

In increasing the total sales, are saying these friends of mine: they observed a general INCREASE in the total sales of the port in which they made a severe selection (not selling some images that in other portfolios they would have uploaded, talking in quality terms).

If you are selling 2 images like this:

image A, perfect: 50 sales per day
image B, good quality: 1 sale per week

and you "know" (of course I know this is only a theory and a feeling of someone like you and me) that if you DELETE your B image, your A image will sell 1/3 more ... it's clear, isn't it?

Repetita Juvant: I'm not telling this is The Only Thruth.

« Reply #41 on: March 19, 2017, 03:33 »
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Completely impossible comparison.

If there indeed are no duplicates, and the good images are deleted from the "bad" portfolio and uploaded to new portfolios they are all new and will be treated very differently by the search engine.

The only interesting result would be if only the bad images were deleted (not re-uploaded) and the overall revenue increased.

I never said that these images will be re-uploaded.
But that point about the way the search engine treats images is interesting: let me understand this with another question:

do you think that if I delete AND REUPLOAD my "never sold" images, I can change something about their future sales? :-/


« Reply #42 on: March 19, 2017, 03:38 »
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The problem with this reasoning is that in the series of facts you are not following all the facts, but just the ones that are consistent with their -let me be honest - flawed hypothesis. No shame in that, many people are making that mistake when there are too many variables and they don't know what they are.  There are simpler explanations of what they observe. They have some empirically discovered way to do things, it works, I get it, but accurate interpretations obviously isn't their strong side. There are just so many things that are wrong with this idea, I wouldn't even know where to begin.

Don't worry too much about bad pics, just try and produce more of the good ones.

This is my way of working: as I said, I can't take the liberty to try this theory.
But this is a good place for words: it's a forum, so is sad not to read your explanations about logics and a simple explanation about the wrong things.
I agree with your intro: but instead of leaving, it would be good to have some right ideas. :(

« Reply #43 on: March 19, 2017, 03:41 »
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there's so much wrong in the OP, don't even know where to start. worst advice ever.,

+ but I'd also agree they should do this, if they would also delete all files that compete with mine.  :)

How do people have same images on multiple portfolios and use different names. Isn't that something that would get us banned for life?

I can't understand: I know that I don't write so well.
But I never wrote that they have THE SAME IMAGES on multiple portfolio. I repeat explaining that they have DIFFERENT images. They use the same locations to shoot, the same models, the same light equipment.
But that's all.

You can shoot in New York with a model. I can shoot in NY with the same model. This will produce DIFFERENT images.

I hope this makes more clear the idea.

« Reply #44 on: March 19, 2017, 03:46 »
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How do people have same images on multiple portfolios and use different names. Isn't that something that would get us banned for life?

My understanding is that each portfolio is in the name of a different team member. Or something along this line. Portfolios don't overlap, so the validity of comparison between "good" and "bad" pics is very questionable. However, I am not 100% sure, I have a hard time understanding what exactly is going on.

you're 100% right.

They had a 1st portfolio working together. But when earning started becoming huge, they had problems about taxes: one photographer had to transfer money to the others and the local tax office made them crazy about this.

So they started another portfolio, but of course they have always worked together, and made up this only to separate incomes for the taxes. They worked and then uploaded in one portfolio or in the other, then they created this third port.

They treated these 3 ports in a slight different way, as I said.

But you're completely right! :-)

« Reply #45 on: March 19, 2017, 03:55 »
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[cut / edit]


1) How did they have problem with the taxes? To me it reads like they didn't report income, and 5000$ per month was too much to hide.

2) Nice bedtime story.

3) You sound like you're from eastern europe btw, am I right?

3) yes.
2) there is really no point in offending people in forums, nor to lie. so... what do you mean? :-/

1) the problem was this:

they are N people, working, but for the agency they are only 1 people, say "John".
John received the money from iStock, Shutterstock, Dreamstime, 123rf and so on. They send the money AND the taxes documents.
John divided the money in N and paid all the friends.
When friends have to explain to tax offices what happened, you have to understand that here we have problems even explaining what a digital file is, instead of a printed photograph. Explaining these money exchanges sounds suspicious. So they said: ok, let's create another portfolio. But the first portfolio had a very strong "power" because of long-time existence, exposure and big amout of pictures, so they continued working on each of the portfolios.

The second portfolio performed well more quickly than the first one: they had more experience.
And the rest is explained in the other posts :)

HTH

« Reply #46 on: March 19, 2017, 04:02 »
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 So you are saying total sales go up with a reduced portfolio? In actual numbers not in proportion?

1) in proportion (they haven't deleted files so far)
2) yes I'm saying this, of course not reducing and stop, but reducing the files that your experience and numbers say are bad files compared to the EXCELLENT ONES you have, and CONTINUED working and uploading, but only the cream.

3) this is a THEORY, no one deleted a single file: the only case in which you could consider "deleted" a file is the third cited portfolio: the photographer self-censored himself in a different way, compared to the 001 and the 002, as I said. So he OMITTED TO UPLOAD, he didn't actually DELETE something that was previously online. I know that's not the same thing, but I never said something different.

I say we reasoned about this, thinking this opens the way to think that deleting cr*p could be a not-so-bad idea, instead of what we thought before. That's all, not a new Faith or new God. Only a theory based on some new evidences. And of course, these could be not "evidences" but feelings, I perfectly understand this.

But how many times did you see this topic talked about and no one observed a single thing about it?

« Reply #47 on: March 19, 2017, 04:05 »
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 So you are saying total sales go up with a reduced portfolio? In actual numbers not in proportion?

1) in proportion (they haven't deleted files so far)
2) yes I'm saying this, of course not reducing and stop, but reducing the files that your experience and numbers say are bad files compared to the EXCELLENT ONES you have, and CONTINUED working and uploading, but only the cream.

3) this is a THEORY, no one deleted a single file: the only case in which you could consider "deleted" a file is the third cited portfolio: the photographer self-censored himself in a different way, compared to the 001 and the 002, as I said. So he OMITTED TO UPLOAD, he didn't actually DELETE something that was previously online. I know that's not the same thing, but I never said something different.

I say we reasoned about this, thinking this opens the way to think that deleting cr*p could be a not-so-bad idea, instead of what we thought before. That's all, not a new Faith or new God. Only a theory based on some new evidences. And of course, these could be not "evidences" but feelings, I perfectly understand this.

But how many times did you see this topic talked about and no one observed a single thing about it?
I'm completely lost now........

« Reply #48 on: March 19, 2017, 04:09 »
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Ok folks :)
Maybe I wrote in an irritating way, or irritating content ... I didn't mean to bother someone.

I thought it could be an interesting topic, given the number of people asking about this and answers only in total, complete theory. This is ALSO a theory, but based on some interesting observations.

Not so interesting, it seems :-)

So I'm quitting, sorry if I annoyed: this was not my purpose: maybe I write in awful way and logics without the correct language could be tough.

But this seemed to turn into a flame, making me a troll ... I didn't wanted this. Sorry people!!

Chichikov

« Reply #49 on: March 19, 2017, 04:19 »
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This seems a very complicated way of saying good images sell better than bad ones....I'll go along with that theory. The rest is deeply flawed logic.

For me the big question is:
An image is good because it sells better, or an image sells better because it is good?


 

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