When set on Popular, not new, SS gives almost identical results to IS and Fotolia. What was your point?  Sorry,  Shade Sue already asked the same question.

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When set on Popular, not new, SS gives almost identical results to IS and Fotolia. What was your point?  Sorry,  Shade Sue already asked the same question.

my poi wa the shutter stock has 3 times images of stock...beacuas mostly they accept any customer and any photo...new images on ss are appalling hundreds of repetition....that'swhy any mental safe customer doesn't use the new tabs and why we keep selling mostly old images, and new images don't sell....in stock 80% of sales fromfeb are from files uploaded in the last year, and view statistic tell me exactly that mostly new files are viewed. this is important if you want grow quality content.
in ss i grow only because old files keep selling but really small revenue come from new work.

Thanks for explanation. It is really a big problem for future growth, unfortunately, I see that trend on most of the stock agencies, except IS, but they have a tone of other negative moves.

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clearly they messed with the algorithm and sales  stops again...i hate them really i will sacrifice all my sales to see them go bankrupt.

No one's forcing you to have your work on their site.

And what they label a button, a tab or a link doesn't change where it leads and what it does. It's just a name. Yes the search changes all the time, not to hurt us personally or any of that hogwash but to make the most sales for the company and make the best results for the buyers, so they will download more. It's not about us as an individual.

But I still say the best results for buyers would be clean up the inappropriate keywords and duplicate inch by inch image spamming. That would make the buyers happy and me too.  I'd start by issuing warnings about spammed keywords and give people a month to fix them. If not, start removing images and accounts. Sorry, none of us are indispensable or irreplaceable at this stage. Reminder: 188,996,528 royalty-free stock images / 1,398,139 new stock images added this week 

They don't care anymore. IS doesn't care, they accept almost anything, SS doesn't care, neither one does, unless there's some potential legal problem. Adobe is the last one, except the smaller specialty and selective agencies, that actually holds image standards up. Adobe passed IS, remember when IS was the top agency?

The gold rush is over, we're in for the long grind now. The rapid growth and expansion has passed. Competition is flooding the market. New competition, new photos, new illustrations, remember the race to the bottom, where we get less and less for the same number of downloads? We're there. Remember slice of the pie, spreading the same number of sales, over many more people? We're there.

And at the same time the small agencies are slowing down more, and some will be closing. FT sold, BS sold, even TS owned by Getty, a huge collection of agencies they bought, is closing and being merged into iStock. If anyone cares to look at this from a business perspective, marketing, supply vs demand, all this along with the consolidation or mergers at the top, makes perfect sense.

Video is the last frontier for now. Make money while you can.

i completely disagree on stock...
they not accept everything...most of the b...it in ss are not not in stock...sure they lowered the standard, but ss killed any possible standard...go to the forum of ss and see those newbie asking why their images not sell...most have portfolio that i really cannot even imagine how you could only think to upload that stuff....in stock i cannot find so many  garbage photos...

just a search comparison.,,

cheesecake terms..

https://www.istockphoto.com/photos/cheesecake?phrase=cheesecake&sort=best   49,349Images

https://www.shutterstock.com/search?search_source=base_landing_page&language=en&searchterm=cheesecake&image_type=all    112000 images

https://it.fotolia.com/search?k=cheesecake&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Aall%5D=1&search-submit=Ricerca  67.408 images

is not a case that all my new files have visit and practically i'm selling only new files there and every month i grow 30%  , while in ss i grow  yes but thanks to old photos mostly with good position in search engine...the day they mess up with search engine i won't sell anymore cause my new files won't sell.

I doubt the world really needs new pictures of cheese cake.

Quote from: Pauws99 on April 12, 2018, 03:37

I doubt the world really needs new pictures of cheese cake.

Or more of most of the popular or easy to shoot subjects. Someone who uploads new versions of their old work and wonders why they don't get more sales, is missing the point. They are competing with their own established good selling work. The market doesn't need more shiny titanium gears on a blue background. It's been done, there's only so much need or demand.

The demand and market for any subject or image is limited. L I M I T E D Making more of something that's a good seller, will not necessarily make more sales. You'll just dilute any future sales. And then there's that problem with competition, over one million new images a week, most of them of the same best selling, most in demand subjects.

2018 and someone else is getting your slice of the cheesecake. But it's not one person, it's 100 thousand other people. Where's the demand and how many buyers are there for this? 57,022 Cheesecake Slice stock photos?

Suggestion is find things that aren't well covered, aren't most popular, or make specific views, angles, and examples of something. That's the kind of new work that will be more productive. Be different... The days of upload today, three downloads by Friday are long gone.

Quote from: Pauws99 on April 12, 2018, 03:37

I doubt the world really needs new pictures of cheese cake.

Or more of most of the popular or easy to shoot subjects. Someone who uploads new versions of their old work and wonders why they don't get more sales, is missing the point. They are competing with their own established good selling work. The market doesn't need more shiny titanium gears on a blue background. It's been done, there's only so much need or demand.

The demand and market for any subject or image is limited. L I M I T E D Making more of something that's a good seller, will not necessarily make more sales. You'll just dilute any future sales. And then there's that problem with competition, over one million new images a week, most of them of the same best selling, most in demand subjects.

2018 and someone else is getting your slice of the cheesecake. But it's not one person, it's 100 thousand other people. Where's the demand and how many buyers are there for this? 57,022 Cheesecake Slice stock photos?

Suggestion is find things that aren't well covered, aren't most popular, or make specific views, angles, and examples of something. That's the kind of new work that will be more productive. Be different... The days of upload today, three downloads by Friday are long gone.

Quote from: jonbull on April 11, 2018, 13:01

Quote from: pics2 on April 11, 2018, 12:15

When set on Popular, not new, SS gives almost identical results to IS and Fotolia. What was your point?  Sorry,  Shade Sue already asked the same question.

my poi wa the shutter stock has 3 times images of stock...beacuas mostly they accept any customer and any photo...new images on ss are appalling hundreds of repetition....that'swhy any mental safe customer doesn't use the new tabs and why we keep selling mostly old images, and new images don't sell....in stock 80% of sales fromfeb are from files uploaded in the last year, and view statistic tell me exactly that mostly new files are viewed. this is important if you want grow quality content.
in ss i grow only because old files keep selling but really small revenue come from new work.

Where can I see view statistics on Shutter?

SS stopped the algorithm testing a while ago and everything went back to normal in March. I check the search and everything is normal. Popular shows popular images like it always did. Did I miss something?

With so many new images added every week, growing sales is no easy feat. This is the reality we live in and doing our best is the only thing we can do. And I disagree that the quality has gone down... the quality is getting better and better, that�s why it�s so hard to grow sales.

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Quote from: jonbull on April 11, 2018, 13:01

Quote from: pics2 on April 11, 2018, 12:15

When set on Popular, not new, SS gives almost identical results to IS and Fotolia. What was your point?  Sorry,  Shade Sue already asked the same question.

my poi wa the shutter stock has 3 times images of stock...beacuas mostly they accept any customer and any photo...new images on ss are appalling hundreds of repetition....that'swhy any mental safe customer doesn't use the new tabs and why we keep selling mostly old images, and new images don't sell....in stock 80% of sales fromfeb are from files uploaded in the last year, and view statistic tell me exactly that mostly new files are viewed. this is important if you want grow quality content.
in ss i grow only because old files keep selling but really small revenue come from new work.

Where can I see view statistics on Shutter?

in shutter i don't know....in stock there is view on esp....in stock only 5 10% of files are older than 2 years...in shutter stock practically only old files sells. sure you can have the nice image sold every day....but again my best seller in last 1 year and 3 months  is a photo of dubai landmark, and not even commercial but editorial...has sold 408 times so far mostly sub but also 25 times sod and 2 el...so according to the post before considering dubai has literally 1000000000 photos i shouldn't have sold...

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Quote from: Stock4Me on April 12, 2018, 11:34

Quote from: jonbull on April 11, 2018, 13:01

Quote from: pics2 on April 11, 2018, 12:15

When set on Popular, not new, SS gives almost identical results to IS and Fotolia. What was your point?  Sorry,  Shade Sue already asked the same question.

my poi wa the shutter stock has 3 times images of stock...beacuas mostly they accept any customer and any photo...new images on ss are appalling hundreds of repetition....that'swhy any mental safe customer doesn't use the new tabs and why we keep selling mostly old images, and new images don't sell....in stock 80% of sales fromfeb are from files uploaded in the last year, and view statistic tell me exactly that mostly new files are viewed. this is important if you want grow quality content.
in ss i grow only because old files keep selling but really small revenue come from new work.

Where can I see view statistics on Shutter?

in shutter i don't know....in stock there is view on esp....in stock only 5 10% of files are older than 2 years...in shutter stock practically only old files sells. sure you can have the nice image sold every day....but again my best seller in last 1 year and 3 months  is a photo of dubai landmark, and not even commercial but editorial...has sold 408 times so far mostly sub but also 25 times sod and 2 el...so according to the post before considering dubai has literally 1000000000 photos i shouldn't have sold...

But it wasn't just any Dubai it was a specific landmark. How many is that search? You say according to views on SS but there are no views on SS. Or do you mean views on a different site which means nothing to do with SS because you don't know the views. ESP views you decide are SS views? Keep shooting your better lighted cheesecake. You don't listen when someone tries to help. Your superiour 1 of 44,000 cheesecake will surely make you rich, because it's better and new. But new doesn't sell you say? You're right, new doesn't sell if there are already 50,000 of the same identical search, and your new much better copy can't get seen.

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SS stopped the algorithm testing a while ago and everything went back to normal in March. I check the search and everything is normal. Popular shows popular images like it always did. Did I miss something?

With so many new images added every week, growing sales is no easy feat. This is the reality we live in and doing our best is the only thing we can do. And I disagree that the quality has gone down... the quality is getting better and better, that�s why it�s so hard to grow sales.

In absolute terms yes but I think the percentage of quality files has reduced as there is no doubt in my mind that inspection standards are much more lenient. To be honest I'm surprised that my sales have (so far) held as well as they have. What I have noticed is a shift in the nature of what I'm selling so I'm trying to react to that. It would be interesting to know a buyer's perspective on the search engine from what I've seen it returns way too many similars or "near identicals"

Where do I see my views on ESP?