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« Reply #25 on: January 11, 2018, 09:40 »
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 "or do you think that raw pixel.com spend thousand of dollar in shooting without any warranty that they will earn them back" Yes I do ;) as not even Shutterstock can force buyers to buy things.


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« Reply #26 on: January 11, 2018, 09:42 »
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that's something is going on behind the curtain is obvious. they control anything., or do you think that raw pixel.com spend thousand of dollar in shooting without any warranty that they will earn them back, apart the quality of the work they produce. the same for other big seller.

yesterday i had a 73 dollar sale. as always, and i mean ALWAYS, today is super crap, in the sense of 3 download when often at this time i had 20 25 at least. ALWAYS after a 73 dollar it follows 2 3 days of crap. i could have bet my house that today i won't reach 10 download.

this first 10 days i managed to earn more than last january and slightly less than december. i'm surprised but I?M SWURE that from now till 20 i will experience a slow down  , and then better sale in the last 10 days just to reach a good month plus 10% compared to best month of last year.
i bet my pants., i already imagine the total amount at the end of month.

Yeah that just about sums it up, I had the good fortune of two single sales end of last week netting 180 bucks! oh man didnt I just have to pay for that one!

« Reply #27 on: January 11, 2018, 10:23 »
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Revenue caps are a fact in Shutterstock ans this is one of the reason I got back to Istock exclusivity. I uploaded in 45 days 5000 images. The first 1000 (I started from old to new) gave 80% of the revenue and the 4000 that came next only 20%. This is mathematically just impossible if there are no hands pulling the strings. I even asked to support if this policy was in place and they denied it. Well ....liers.

No idea how they calculate every individual contributor cap but may be once you hit it, only agressive upload of every pixel available that is so often seen in Shutterstock might be a path to overcome somehow those caps.

Now I don't think they are the only ones playing this game. I am having my suspicion that this is also played by their largest rival...... Somehow I didn't notice it when I contributed to Fotolia were revenues were more random from day to day with no weird pattern to be detected. Maybe this has also changed with Adobe.

« Reply #28 on: January 11, 2018, 11:13 »
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So true! I'm waiting for the "anti-cap-earning" peeps to get angry at us for such talk ...

Yes conspiracy writers in this thread wouldn't want to hear the truth when the false claims they have invented is so much more interesting. Now name calling from some and preemptive attacks on anyone who doubts or disagrees will be the way to silence rational opposing discussion. Good work conspiracy people, make up caps, self validate and then shut down the opposing views. Make your own version of truth. Pravda my friends. And who's angry? Sounds like the people claiming caps and earning control are the angry ones here.  :) Please keep shouting down the truth and the facts, that keeps the forum active.

I'm not angry because I'm not capped, my earnings continue to grow each year, must be that they like me and are punishing the people who complain here? First it was SS now it's FT and I would have said all along that IS would be more likely to play these kind of stab in the back money games. Like featuring indie and thinkstock over exclusive, imagine how much money that would save? Flat 15% no one makes their RC level, IS saves all kinds of money.

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« Reply #29 on: January 11, 2018, 11:25 »
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So true! I'm waiting for the "anti-cap-earning" peeps to get angry at us for such talk ...

Yes conspiracy writers in this thread wouldn't want to hear the truth when the false claims they have invented is so much more interesting. Now name calling from some and preemptive attacks on anyone who doubts or disagrees will be the way to silence rational opposing discussion. Good work conspiracy people, make up caps, self validate and then shut down the opposing views. Make your own version of truth. Pravda my friends. And who's angry? Sounds like the people claiming caps and earning control are the angry ones here.  :) Please keep shouting down the truth and the facts, that keeps the forum active.

I'm not angry because I'm not capped, my earnings continue to grow each year, must be that they like me and are punishing the people who complain here? First it was SS now it's FT and I would have said all along that IS would be more likely to play these kind of stab in the back money games. Like featuring indie and thinkstock over exclusive, imagine how much money that would save? Flat 15% no one makes their RC level, IS saves all kinds of money.

Hi there!  if you ran an agency, lets say a micro-stock-agency and like SS and FT, all of them actually and you could save millions every single month by pushing lower-end contributors in the buyers-search ( not your search) and since this is business ( nothing illegal you understand ). As the owner. .....Wouldnt you do that? wouldnt you want the extra cash as the owner, going into your bank-account?

Or maybe out of the goodness of their heart and since its such a "straight" business you actually think that they throw away, loopholes to earn big money?????

Anyway Yada!  you dont have to worry youre not capped so I dont really know why you even bother with us oldies that know we are capped. We're a stupido lot of people but we cant help it. :)

« Reply #30 on: January 11, 2018, 11:36 »
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So true! I'm waiting for the "anti-cap-earning" peeps to get angry at us for such talk ...

Yes conspiracy writers in this thread wouldn't want to hear the truth when the false claims they have invented is so much more interesting. Now name calling from some and preemptive attacks on anyone who doubts or disagrees will be the way to silence rational opposing discussion. Good work conspiracy people, make up caps, self validate and then shut down the opposing views. Make your own version of truth. Pravda my friends. And who's angry? Sounds like the people claiming caps and earning control are the angry ones here.  :) Please keep shouting down the truth and the facts, that keeps the forum active.

I'm not angry because I'm not capped, my earnings continue to grow each year, must be that they like me and are punishing the people who complain here? First it was SS now it's FT and I would have said all along that IS would be more likely to play these kind of stab in the back money games. Like featuring indie and thinkstock over exclusive, imagine how much money that would save? Flat 15% no one makes their RC level, IS saves all kinds of money.

how much you do month in ss?

« Reply #31 on: January 11, 2018, 11:38 »
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So true! I'm waiting for the "anti-cap-earning" peeps to get angry at us for such talk ...

Yes conspiracy writers in this thread wouldn't want to hear the truth when the false claims they have invented is so much more interesting. Now name calling from some and preemptive attacks on anyone who doubts or disagrees will be the way to silence rational opposing discussion. Good work conspiracy people, make up caps, self validate and then shut down the opposing views. Make your own version of truth. Pravda my friends. And who's angry? Sounds like the people claiming caps and earning control are the angry ones here.  :) Please keep shouting down the truth and the facts, that keeps the forum active.

I'm not angry because I'm not capped, my earnings continue to grow each year, must be that they like me and are punishing the people who complain here? First it was SS now it's FT and I would have said all along that IS would be more likely to play these kind of stab in the back money games. Like featuring indie and thinkstock over exclusive, imagine how much money that would save? Flat 15% no one makes their RC level, IS saves all kinds of money.

is not about growth...as i said i'm already on par with january 2017 and near december 2018...it has been very good begin of month...just is clear that from now till end month i will sell very low just to have a small growth but nothing more.
and is always like this. this is not random. folia esp all have random characteristic of sale. shutter stock no. always the same.

« Reply #32 on: January 11, 2018, 11:39 »
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So true! I'm waiting for the "anti-cap-earning" peeps to get angry at us for such talk ...

Yes conspiracy writers in this thread wouldn't want to hear the truth when the false claims they have invented is so much more interesting. Now name calling from some and preemptive attacks on anyone who doubts or disagrees will be the way to silence rational opposing discussion. Good work conspiracy people, make up caps, self validate and then shut down the opposing views. Make your own version of truth. Pravda my friends. And who's angry? Sounds like the people claiming caps and earning control are the angry ones here.  :) Please keep shouting down the truth and the facts, that keeps the forum active.

I'm not angry because I'm not capped, my earnings continue to grow each year, must be that they like me and are punishing the people who complain here? First it was SS now it's FT and I would have said all along that IS would be more likely to play these kind of stab in the back money games. Like featuring indie and thinkstock over exclusive, imagine how much money that would save? Flat 15% no one makes their RC level, IS saves all kinds of money.


maybe I'm wrong but i remember u not long ago always complain gin of falling down earning. maybe I'm wrong.

« Reply #33 on: January 11, 2018, 11:50 »
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So true! I'm waiting for the "anti-cap-earning" peeps to get angry at us for such talk ...

Yes conspiracy writers in this thread wouldn't want to hear the truth when the false claims they have invented is so much more interesting. Now name calling from some and preemptive attacks on anyone who doubts or disagrees will be the way to silence rational opposing discussion. Good work conspiracy people, make up caps, self validate and then shut down the opposing views. Make your own version of truth. Pravda my friends. And who's angry? Sounds like the people claiming caps and earning control are the angry ones here.  :) Please keep shouting down the truth and the facts, that keeps the forum active.

I'm not angry because I'm not capped, my earnings continue to grow each year, must be that they like me and are punishing the people who complain here? First it was SS now it's FT and I would have said all along that IS would be more likely to play these kind of stab in the back money games. Like featuring indie and thinkstock over exclusive, imagine how much money that would save? Flat 15% no one makes their RC level, IS saves all kinds of money.


maybe I'm wrong but i remember u not long ago always complain gin of falling down earning. maybe I'm wrong.

Why do you have three or more accounts here? So you can answer your own claims and make it look like someone else believes your constant BS?

Some months have been lower than past, but every year I have made gains in income. I didn't take all my best images off SS and stop uploading like you claim you did, then come here and whine about sales being down, earnings down and capping. I uploaded more and new ideas and I'm making more.

Old images don't sell like they used to, I'm pretty confident that's universal. I think the word is competition. Better, more and stronger. I don't expect to make more or advance but doing less and sitting on my ass complaining, so I work harder. That's why I earn more every year.

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« Reply #34 on: January 11, 2018, 11:53 »
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Are you in the .38 club yada?

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« Reply #35 on: January 11, 2018, 11:56 »
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"Old images don't sell like they used to"

This is the exact opposite for me. ONLY the old images sell (and well)! No point on uploading new work anymore. New work never sees the light of day sadly ...

« Reply #36 on: January 11, 2018, 11:58 »
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« Reply #37 on: January 11, 2018, 11:59 »
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Are you in the .38 club yada?

Yes but barely, took a long time and my ten best put me over, the thousands rest aren't very good income. That might explain some of the increase in earnings, just for moving up last year. Good question, I don't know if that's what did it.

"Old images don't sell like they used to"

This is the exact opposite for me. ONLY the old images sell (and well)! No point on uploading new work anymore. New work never sees the light of day sadly ...

Also a good point, we all find differences. My all time best is an old one, some new are in the top ten.  :)

GraniteCove

« Reply #38 on: January 11, 2018, 12:34 »
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Ah, the dreaded 38 club..let the games begin. :)

« Reply #39 on: January 11, 2018, 12:39 »
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So true! I'm waiting for the "anti-cap-earning" peeps to get angry at us for such talk ...

Yes conspiracy writers in this thread wouldn't want to hear the truth when the false claims they have invented is so much more interesting. Now name calling from some and preemptive attacks on anyone who doubts or disagrees will be the way to silence rational opposing discussion. Good work conspiracy people, make up caps, self validate and then shut down the opposing views. Make your own version of truth. Pravda my friends. And who's angry? Sounds like the people claiming caps and earning control are the angry ones here.  :) Please keep shouting down the truth and the facts, that keeps the forum active.

I'm not angry because I'm not capped, my earnings continue to grow each year, must be that they like me and are punishing the people who complain here? First it was SS now it's FT and I would have said all along that IS would be more likely to play these kind of stab in the back money games. Like featuring indie and thinkstock over exclusive, imagine how much money that would save? Flat 15% no one makes their RC level, IS saves all kinds of money.


maybe I'm wrong but i remember u not long ago always complain gin of falling down earning. maybe I'm wrong.

Why do you have three or more accounts here? So you can answer your own claims and make it look like someone else believes your constant BS?

Some months have been lower than past, but every year I have made gains in income. I didn't take all my best images off SS and stop uploading like you claim you did, then come here and whine about sales being down, earnings down and capping. I uploaded more and new ideas and I'm making more.

Old images don't sell like they used to, I'm pretty confident that's universal. I think the word is competition. Better, more and stronger. I don't expect to make more or advance but doing less and sitting on my ass complaining, so I work harder. That's why I earn more every year.

puppet i have only one account and is this. i don't know what u are talking about.
i told u last year i made 50% more..this month is the best start since 2013...but anyway i firmly believe it's a capped business.

« Reply #40 on: January 11, 2018, 12:40 »
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So true! I'm waiting for the "anti-cap-earning" peeps to get angry at us for such talk ...

Yes conspiracy writers in this thread wouldn't want to hear the truth when the false claims they have invented is so much more interesting. Now name calling from some and preemptive attacks on anyone who doubts or disagrees will be the way to silence rational opposing discussion. Good work conspiracy people, make up caps, self validate and then shut down the opposing views. Make your own version of truth. Pravda my friends. And who's angry? Sounds like the people claiming caps and earning control are the angry ones here.  :) Please keep shouting down the truth and the facts, that keeps the forum active.

I'm not angry because I'm not capped, my earnings continue to grow each year, must be that they like me and are punishing the people who complain here? First it was SS now it's FT and I would have said all along that IS would be more likely to play these kind of stab in the back money games. Like featuring indie and thinkstock over exclusive, imagine how much money that would save? Flat 15% no one makes their RC level, IS saves all kinds of money.


maybe I'm wrong but i remember u not long ago always complain gin of falling down earning. maybe I'm wrong.

Why do you have three or more accounts here? So you can answer your own claims and make it look like someone else believes your constant BS?

Some months have been lower than past, but every year I have made gains in income. I didn't take all my best images off SS and stop uploading like you claim you did, then come here and whine about sales being down, earnings down and capping. I uploaded more and new ideas and I'm making more.

Old images don't sell like they used to, I'm pretty confident that's universal. I think the word is competition. Better, more and stronger. I don't expect to make more or advance but doing less and sitting on my ass complaining, so I work harder. That's why I earn more every year.

puppet i have only one account and is this. i don't know what u are talking about.
i told u last year i made 50% more..this month is the best start since 2013...but anyway i firmly believe it's a capped business.

is contrary puppet....i told in past i made an experiment since 2016 i begin uploading..i didn't upload anything good till 2016...i don't know who you are talking about but it's not me. anyway u are clearly amateur.

« Reply #41 on: January 11, 2018, 12:42 »
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Are you in the .38 club yada?

Yes but barely, took a long time and my ten best put me over, the thousands rest aren't very good income. That might explain some of the increase in earnings, just for moving up last year. Good question, I don't know if that's what did it.

"Old images don't sell like they used to"

This is the exact opposite for me. ONLY the old images sell (and well)! No point on uploading new work anymore. New work never sees the light of day sadly ...

Also a good point, we all find differences. My all time best is an old one, some new are in the top ten.  :)
barely 0,38? what u earn 50 dollar months?


« Reply #42 on: January 11, 2018, 12:58 »
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and as predicted after a 73 dollar..today a super crap day not even in weekend i have....like a swiss clock.tomorrow i won't even check.
for the next 10 days i will give them all money back for sure.

Semmick Photo

« Reply #43 on: January 11, 2018, 13:11 »
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Capped earnings, yes

I was capped around 600 dollar for a while then there was a change and now I am capped around 300-350. Its uncanny how accurate it is.

I had a few good sales in the past week and a half always resulting in incredibly crap follow up days.

  • I made 45 dollar in the last 2 days, 35 downloads, so today I am at 0.76 cents.

  • last week I made 25 dollar in 2 days, 25 downloads, the following day I made 2 dollar.

And it will continue like that and I will end the month at 300 dollar.

I have seen it the other way around as well. Having a poor month and at the end a big sale, literally on the last day, pushing the month up to the average.

[/tinfoilhatoff]

I know SS cannot tell buyers what to buy, but they can bring images in front of the buyer that they want to be seen, or not.

« Reply #44 on: January 11, 2018, 13:33 »
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I find it hard to envisage how SS can magic up a big sale at the end of the month  :o

Semmick Photo

« Reply #45 on: January 11, 2018, 14:06 »
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I find it hard to envisage how SS can magic up a big sale at the end of the month  :o

By pushing my images in front of a customer when they are searching the site.

Maybe and probably I am just paranoid, but the coincidence is remarkable then

Semmick Photo

« Reply #46 on: January 11, 2018, 14:08 »
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I can have a few big sales and then my downloads are down evening it out. Or my downloads are up but I have less big sales.

I do not seem to get a big number of downloads AND a few big sales in the same month

« Reply #47 on: January 11, 2018, 14:12 »
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I find it hard to envisage how SS can magic up a big sale at the end of the month  :o

That's a lot more feasible than you might think in that big SODs are sold through the Enterprise Team who will often do the search for Enterprise customers.  Therefore, they could (in theory) match customers up with contributors in need of a bump.  Nonsense I know, but doable.

« Reply #48 on: January 11, 2018, 14:36 »
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"Old images don't sell like they used to"

This is the exact opposite for me. ONLY the old images sell (and well)! No point on uploading new work anymore. New work never sees the light of day sadly ...

Even when it seems like all of the sales are of old images, they still don't sell like they used to. I went back and opened up the sales from 2012 and it was pretty eye opening how many more sales I had back then with a lot less images (and I'd like to think at least some of the new ones are better quality).

I have seen no real evidence of sales capping - my month to month results vary probably +- 30%. Maybe I am too small potatoes to get capped? I have certainly seen a good sale day or a big sale followed by crap days, but saying you get 2 good days and then a crap day means that after the first good day you had another good day... I am not saying there aren't all sorts of behind the scenes shenanigans with the search - location, image size, age, possibly contributor level. I want to know how the caps are set if they exist. So many people talk about caps - but then say they are up or down a certain amount - usually something significant. If they really had a set income for you, then the people that stopped contributing would still make that amount month after month - unless it is tied to recent upload #s, in which case that would be a different story.

Semmick Photo

« Reply #49 on: January 11, 2018, 14:53 »
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I havent uploaded a lot since I got the twins back in Q2 2016 but the decline started July 2015



 

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