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Title: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: Minsc on January 06, 2018, 13:43
It looks like it was changed on Thursday. Based on what I've seen, they seem to be testing different algorithms on the popular tab. One set of results show more new items and another set of results show a mix of new and old content. My downloads were impacted on Thursday, but it made a recovery yesterday. It looks like they're still testing and we probably won't know the full impact of it until next week.

I've seen some of my top images disappear from the search results and seen some move up. I think they're trying to mix it up and show more new content.
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: Uncle Pete on January 06, 2018, 14:21
It looks like it was changed on Thursday. Based on what I've seen, they seem to be testing different algorithms on the popular tab. One set of results show more new items and another set of results show a mix of new and old content. My downloads were impacted on Thursday, but it made a recovery yesterday. It looks like they're still testing and we probably won't know the full impact of it until next week.

I've seen some of my top images disappear from the search results and seen some move up. I think they're trying to mix it up and show more new content.

Yeah, looks like this is about a month since the last change. First week in Dec Popular was best selling and recent sales, fairly like what one would expect from true popular. Then it popped into the crazy mix with new and unsold showing on the first page.

Just looked on three browsers, Edge and Chrome which had to load the page, show one sort, Firefox, even with a page reload, shows a different sort. FF I looked from my account, different. Then I tried a page reload, that still different sort is showing. I'm not going to clear the cache but it's highly likely that parts of that page and what shows are saved in the cookies?

Meanwhile, yes it has changed again. I think this isn't tinkering as much as a planned change to show buyers different materials every month and make the site look fresh. I haven't been tracking Popular for most of my images in a search, but when I did, sometimes nothing changed, other times, newer were moved up and then others it would be most sales/recent sales.

One of my best known test searches, the one I use to look for changes, on two different browsers, shows different results. Once I copied the link and refreshed, they are the same. What I mean is, we might not all see the same results for a page, but a new fresh load will show the same. Same would be happening for buyers. Our computers have some sort data stored.

I can't make any claims for what anyone else sees, we've been through this for years.

I've never seen any change in sales, up or down, sales that I can positively attribute to the change in the search because what I sell is generally still on top in the searches that I have good photos that sell more often than the duds.
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: rinderart on January 06, 2018, 16:36
Whatever there doing....PLEASE keep it up.
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: YadaYadaYada on January 06, 2018, 22:42
Whatever there doing....PLEASE keep it up.

You like being on page 15 instead of first page, because they are promoting unsold and new? When did you decide that?
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: Artist on January 08, 2018, 10:33
Whatever there doing....PLEASE keep it up.

You like being on page 15 instead of first page, because they are promoting unsold and new? When did you decide that?


Looks like they are shuffling the popular pages, which gives you new result after some time frame.

I think this a good call on buyer perspective as they are getting fresh content, for contributors we'll have to wait and watch.
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: Video-StockOrg on January 08, 2018, 11:01
They've done something that's for sure... we are seeing very low sales on our side. Sad January this will be.
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: angelawaye on January 08, 2018, 11:43
Video is really good this month but I don't see any significant changes with my image downloads ...
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: derek on January 08, 2018, 12:01
YES!! Please keep this up!  serves me brilliant! best search so far. ;D
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: Uncle Pete on January 08, 2018, 13:13
I don't see any changes either way with any of these versions of the popular sort over the year. At least nothing that I can positively attribute to sort change. Without the change my sales go up and down and when there's a change they still go up and down.  ;D

When I start seeing sold for first time, it makes me wonder if it's the sort, but when the numbers of sales stay the same, I figure it's just different needs from different buyers. Best is last month I had the same image, first time sold, get a sub and then an OD the same day. I guessed the buyer wanted a cheap sample or tested various items and bought mine for the actual project.
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: BelieveInStock on January 08, 2018, 13:40
Very bad for me. Some months ago I was having 300+ downloads a day, now mere 150. They are destroying hard working people’s motivation. Over 10 years on Shutterstock so it really feels bad.
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: PigsInSpace on January 09, 2018, 14:56
It looks like things have been changed back.
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: derek on January 10, 2018, 12:20
Very bad for me. Some months ago I was having 300+ downloads a day, now mere 150. They are destroying hard working people’s motivation. Over 10 years on Shutterstock so it really feels bad.

They cap the earnings for over a year now and thats to give newcomers etc a chance to earn. Ever since the new managemant came into office this is whats happening. Its no conspiracy theory but a fact. I know an ex-employee there and known him for over 15 years and he confirmed it!

Never mind what the ghostbusters will come and say, this is whats happening! I'm just waiting for July-August and if no change I will erase my portfolio there and stick it into Istock -exclusive. I earn more then enough from the Trad-agencies!  It feels crazy supporting an agency that after 13 years just slaughters your work. :)
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: GraniteCove on January 10, 2018, 12:56
It looks like things have been changed back.

Not by a long shot. Many of my top earners are still mysteriously buried under some images which should never even have been approved. Insane, it's as though they are being punished for being successful which does indeed translate into an agency imposed earnings cap. I don't know about others, but I'm certainly not in this for anything but the money, so if SS deems I've made enough and turns off the tap then I see no point in continuing with them either. In school I was never a fan of grading on a curve, and now in real life I'm certainly not a fan of this new Gaussian distribution at SS either. I never thought I would be saying this about SS, but I'm hanging on til the end of the first quarter and if there is no reversion then I too am out. It's just not worth it anymore.
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: hatman12 on January 10, 2018, 13:16
Very poor start to the year.  Sales running at only 50% of usual expectations.  Something appears to have changed, as others have pointed out.  Disappointed.
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: derek on January 10, 2018, 14:24
It looks like things have been changed back.

Not by a long shot. Many of my top earners are still mysteriously buried under some images which should never even have been approved. Insane, it's as though they are being punished for being successful which does indeed translate into an agency imposed earnings cap. I don't know about others, but I'm certainly not in this for anything but the money, so if SS deems I've made enough and turns off the tap then I see no point in continuing with them either. In school I was never a fan of grading on a curve, and now in real life I'm certainly not a fan of this new Gaussian distribution at SS either. I never thought I would be saying this about SS, but I'm hanging on til the end of the first quarter and if there is no reversion then I too am out. It's just not worth it anymore.

Hit the nail on the head!! 110%!
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: Pauws99 on January 10, 2018, 14:50
Very bad for me. Some months ago I was having 300+ downloads a day, now mere 150. They are destroying hard working people’s motivation. Over 10 years on Shutterstock so it really feels bad.

They cap the earnings for over a year now and thats to give newcomers etc a chance to earn. Ever since the new managemant came into office this is whats happening. Its no conspiracy theory but a fact. I know an ex-employee there and known him for over 15 years and he confirmed it!

Never mind what the ghostbusters will come and say, this is whats happening! I'm just waiting for July-August and if no change I will erase my portfolio there and stick it into Istock -exclusive. I earn more then enough from the Trad-agencies!  It feels crazy supporting an agency that after 13 years just slaughters your work. :)
and to think only two days ago it was the best search so far
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: derek on January 11, 2018, 02:21
Very bad for me. Some months ago I was having 300+ downloads a day, now mere 150. They are destroying hard working people’s motivation. Over 10 years on Shutterstock so it really feels bad.

They cap the earnings for over a year now and thats to give newcomers etc a chance to earn. Ever since the new managemant came into office this is whats happening. Its no conspiracy theory but a fact. I know an ex-employee there and known him for over 15 years and he confirmed it!

Never mind what the ghostbusters will come and say, this is whats happening! I'm just waiting for July-August and if no change I will erase my portfolio there and stick it into Istock -exclusive. I earn more then enough from the Trad-agencies!  It feels crazy supporting an agency that after 13 years just slaughters your work. :)
and to think only two days ago it was the best search so far

My dear fellow!!  best search and best sales are two very different things!  you should now that by now you've been doing this long enough!..( I was actually beeing a bit sarcastic about the change)!  even so since you according to yourself dont do this full-time but treat it as a side-earner you have never been in the position to feel nor see the effect of a capped portfolio. Logic isnt it?

As a ghostbuster of conspiracy theories you are one of the very best but in my case although cut in half my actual earnings are still reasonable but it could and should be twice as much as sooooo many other full-time photographers are experiencing. Its not the dollar-amounts its the so obvious 50% down we are complaining about, as would you do if it hit ya! right.
Now you have a good day! :)
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: sliper on January 11, 2018, 02:48
I reach a new low - this week is so low just cant be real. Sales are caped for sure - no point for uploading annymore, i will start delleting. This week i made sales who i made for one day one year beffore. They dont need us old contributors anymore - they need only crap to sell for 0.25c .
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: Chichikov on January 11, 2018, 03:02
Good for me: my best sellers are still on the first page (or the second), and many photos which have never sold before are now selling…
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: leaf on January 11, 2018, 03:03
I reach a new low - this week is so low just cant be real. Sales are caped for sure - no point for uploading annymore, i will start delleting. This week i made sales who i made for one day one year beffore. They dont need us old contributors anymore - they need only crap to sell for 0.25c .

Agreed - things are starting to become rather unmotivating :(
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: Pauws99 on January 11, 2018, 03:05
"best search and best sales are two very different things! " Interesting as the whole premise of the capping idea is that if images are pushed down the search it automatically results in less sales. In fact my definition of a "good" search engine is one that sells my pictures the most  ;D.
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: Video-StockOrg on January 11, 2018, 03:10
oh no..... agencies don't cap their sales, don't believe such imaginary stories (http://video-stock.org/contributor-stock-video-sales-are-regulated-to-keep-all-happy/).  ::)

/sarcasmoff

PS: remember kids, if you aren't in first four results of Google search, you don't exist.
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: derek on January 11, 2018, 03:40
oh no..... agencies don't cap their sales, don't believe such imaginary stories ([url]http://video-stock.org/contributor-stock-video-sales-are-regulated-to-keep-all-happy/[/url]).  ::)

/sarcasmoff

PS: remember kids, if you aren't in first four results of Google search, you don't exist.


 ;D! good one!    yeah its amazing really after all these years some people STILL think that business is as straight as a die! rather give away royalties when they could save!
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: jonbull on January 11, 2018, 08:14
that's something is going on behind the curtain is obvious. they control anything., or do you think that raw pixel.com spend thousand of dollar in shooting without any warranty that they will earn them back, apart the quality of the work they produce. the same for other big seller.

yesterday i had a 73 dollar sale. as always, and i mean ALWAYS, today is super crap, in the sense of 3 download when often at this time i had 20 25 at least. ALWAYS after a 73 dollar it follows 2 3 days of crap. i could have bet my house that today i won't reach 10 download.

this first 10 days i managed to earn more than last january and slightly less than december. i'm surprised but I?M SWURE that from now till 20 i will experience a slow down  , and then better sale in the last 10 days just to reach a good month plus 10% compared to best month of last year.
i bet my pants., i already imagine the total amount at the end of month.
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: angelawaye on January 11, 2018, 08:25
So true! I'm waiting for the "anti-cap-earning" peeps to get angry at us for such talk ...
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: Pauws99 on January 11, 2018, 09:40
 "or do you think that raw pixel.com spend thousand of dollar in shooting without any warranty that they will earn them back" Yes I do ;) as not even Shutterstock can force buyers to buy things.
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: derek on January 11, 2018, 09:42
that's something is going on behind the curtain is obvious. they control anything., or do you think that raw pixel.com spend thousand of dollar in shooting without any warranty that they will earn them back, apart the quality of the work they produce. the same for other big seller.

yesterday i had a 73 dollar sale. as always, and i mean ALWAYS, today is super crap, in the sense of 3 download when often at this time i had 20 25 at least. ALWAYS after a 73 dollar it follows 2 3 days of crap. i could have bet my house that today i won't reach 10 download.

this first 10 days i managed to earn more than last january and slightly less than december. i'm surprised but I?M SWURE that from now till 20 i will experience a slow down  , and then better sale in the last 10 days just to reach a good month plus 10% compared to best month of last year.
i bet my pants., i already imagine the total amount at the end of month.

Yeah that just about sums it up, I had the good fortune of two single sales end of last week netting 180 bucks! oh man didnt I just have to pay for that one!
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: everest on January 11, 2018, 10:23
Revenue caps are a fact in Shutterstock ans this is one of the reason I got back to Istock exclusivity. I uploaded in 45 days 5000 images. The first 1000 (I started from old to new) gave 80% of the revenue and the 4000 that came next only 20%. This is mathematically just impossible if there are no hands pulling the strings. I even asked to support if this policy was in place and they denied it. Well ....liers.

No idea how they calculate every individual contributor cap but may be once you hit it, only agressive upload of every pixel available that is so often seen in Shutterstock might be a path to overcome somehow those caps.

Now I don't think they are the only ones playing this game. I am having my suspicion that this is also played by their largest rival...... Somehow I didn't notice it when I contributed to Fotolia were revenues were more random from day to day with no weird pattern to be detected. Maybe this has also changed with Adobe.
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: YadaYadaYada on January 11, 2018, 11:13
So true! I'm waiting for the "anti-cap-earning" peeps to get angry at us for such talk ...

Yes conspiracy writers in this thread wouldn't want to hear the truth when the false claims they have invented is so much more interesting. Now name calling from some and preemptive attacks on anyone who doubts or disagrees will be the way to silence rational opposing discussion. Good work conspiracy people, make up caps, self validate and then shut down the opposing views. Make your own version of truth. Pravda my friends. And who's angry? Sounds like the people claiming caps and earning control are the angry ones here.  :) Please keep shouting down the truth and the facts, that keeps the forum active.

I'm not angry because I'm not capped, my earnings continue to grow each year, must be that they like me and are punishing the people who complain here? First it was SS now it's FT and I would have said all along that IS would be more likely to play these kind of stab in the back money games. Like featuring indie and thinkstock over exclusive, imagine how much money that would save? Flat 15% no one makes their RC level, IS saves all kinds of money.
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: derek on January 11, 2018, 11:25
So true! I'm waiting for the "anti-cap-earning" peeps to get angry at us for such talk ...

Yes conspiracy writers in this thread wouldn't want to hear the truth when the false claims they have invented is so much more interesting. Now name calling from some and preemptive attacks on anyone who doubts or disagrees will be the way to silence rational opposing discussion. Good work conspiracy people, make up caps, self validate and then shut down the opposing views. Make your own version of truth. Pravda my friends. And who's angry? Sounds like the people claiming caps and earning control are the angry ones here.  :) Please keep shouting down the truth and the facts, that keeps the forum active.

I'm not angry because I'm not capped, my earnings continue to grow each year, must be that they like me and are punishing the people who complain here? First it was SS now it's FT and I would have said all along that IS would be more likely to play these kind of stab in the back money games. Like featuring indie and thinkstock over exclusive, imagine how much money that would save? Flat 15% no one makes their RC level, IS saves all kinds of money.

Hi there!  if you ran an agency, lets say a micro-stock-agency and like SS and FT, all of them actually and you could save millions every single month by pushing lower-end contributors in the buyers-search ( not your search) and since this is business ( nothing illegal you understand ). As the owner. .....Wouldnt you do that? wouldnt you want the extra cash as the owner, going into your bank-account?

Or maybe out of the goodness of their heart and since its such a "straight" business you actually think that they throw away, loopholes to earn big money?????

Anyway Yada!  you dont have to worry youre not capped so I dont really know why you even bother with us oldies that know we are capped. We're a stupido lot of people but we cant help it. :)
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: jonbull on January 11, 2018, 11:36
So true! I'm waiting for the "anti-cap-earning" peeps to get angry at us for such talk ...

Yes conspiracy writers in this thread wouldn't want to hear the truth when the false claims they have invented is so much more interesting. Now name calling from some and preemptive attacks on anyone who doubts or disagrees will be the way to silence rational opposing discussion. Good work conspiracy people, make up caps, self validate and then shut down the opposing views. Make your own version of truth. Pravda my friends. And who's angry? Sounds like the people claiming caps and earning control are the angry ones here.  :) Please keep shouting down the truth and the facts, that keeps the forum active.

I'm not angry because I'm not capped, my earnings continue to grow each year, must be that they like me and are punishing the people who complain here? First it was SS now it's FT and I would have said all along that IS would be more likely to play these kind of stab in the back money games. Like featuring indie and thinkstock over exclusive, imagine how much money that would save? Flat 15% no one makes their RC level, IS saves all kinds of money.

how much you do month in ss?
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: jonbull on January 11, 2018, 11:38
So true! I'm waiting for the "anti-cap-earning" peeps to get angry at us for such talk ...

Yes conspiracy writers in this thread wouldn't want to hear the truth when the false claims they have invented is so much more interesting. Now name calling from some and preemptive attacks on anyone who doubts or disagrees will be the way to silence rational opposing discussion. Good work conspiracy people, make up caps, self validate and then shut down the opposing views. Make your own version of truth. Pravda my friends. And who's angry? Sounds like the people claiming caps and earning control are the angry ones here.  :) Please keep shouting down the truth and the facts, that keeps the forum active.

I'm not angry because I'm not capped, my earnings continue to grow each year, must be that they like me and are punishing the people who complain here? First it was SS now it's FT and I would have said all along that IS would be more likely to play these kind of stab in the back money games. Like featuring indie and thinkstock over exclusive, imagine how much money that would save? Flat 15% no one makes their RC level, IS saves all kinds of money.

is not about growth...as i said i'm already on par with january 2017 and near december 2018...it has been very good begin of month...just is clear that from now till end month i will sell very low just to have a small growth but nothing more.
and is always like this. this is not random. folia esp all have random characteristic of sale. shutter stock no. always the same.
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: jonbull on January 11, 2018, 11:39
So true! I'm waiting for the "anti-cap-earning" peeps to get angry at us for such talk ...

Yes conspiracy writers in this thread wouldn't want to hear the truth when the false claims they have invented is so much more interesting. Now name calling from some and preemptive attacks on anyone who doubts or disagrees will be the way to silence rational opposing discussion. Good work conspiracy people, make up caps, self validate and then shut down the opposing views. Make your own version of truth. Pravda my friends. And who's angry? Sounds like the people claiming caps and earning control are the angry ones here.  :) Please keep shouting down the truth and the facts, that keeps the forum active.

I'm not angry because I'm not capped, my earnings continue to grow each year, must be that they like me and are punishing the people who complain here? First it was SS now it's FT and I would have said all along that IS would be more likely to play these kind of stab in the back money games. Like featuring indie and thinkstock over exclusive, imagine how much money that would save? Flat 15% no one makes their RC level, IS saves all kinds of money.


maybe I'm wrong but i remember u not long ago always complain gin of falling down earning. maybe I'm wrong.
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: YadaYadaYada on January 11, 2018, 11:50
So true! I'm waiting for the "anti-cap-earning" peeps to get angry at us for such talk ...

Yes conspiracy writers in this thread wouldn't want to hear the truth when the false claims they have invented is so much more interesting. Now name calling from some and preemptive attacks on anyone who doubts or disagrees will be the way to silence rational opposing discussion. Good work conspiracy people, make up caps, self validate and then shut down the opposing views. Make your own version of truth. Pravda my friends. And who's angry? Sounds like the people claiming caps and earning control are the angry ones here.  :) Please keep shouting down the truth and the facts, that keeps the forum active.

I'm not angry because I'm not capped, my earnings continue to grow each year, must be that they like me and are punishing the people who complain here? First it was SS now it's FT and I would have said all along that IS would be more likely to play these kind of stab in the back money games. Like featuring indie and thinkstock over exclusive, imagine how much money that would save? Flat 15% no one makes their RC level, IS saves all kinds of money.


maybe I'm wrong but i remember u not long ago always complain gin of falling down earning. maybe I'm wrong.

Why do you have three or more accounts here? So you can answer your own claims and make it look like someone else believes your constant BS?

Some months have been lower than past, but every year I have made gains in income. I didn't take all my best images off SS and stop uploading like you claim you did, then come here and whine about sales being down, earnings down and capping. I uploaded more and new ideas and I'm making more.

Old images don't sell like they used to, I'm pretty confident that's universal. I think the word is competition. Better, more and stronger. I don't expect to make more or advance but doing less and sitting on my ass complaining, so I work harder. That's why I earn more every year.
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: angelawaye on January 11, 2018, 11:53
Are you in the .38 club yada?
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: angelawaye on January 11, 2018, 11:56
"Old images don't sell like they used to"

This is the exact opposite for me. ONLY the old images sell (and well)! No point on uploading new work anymore. New work never sees the light of day sadly ...
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: Sammy the Cat on January 11, 2018, 11:58
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Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: YadaYadaYada on January 11, 2018, 11:59
Are you in the .38 club yada?

Yes but barely, took a long time and my ten best put me over, the thousands rest aren't very good income. That might explain some of the increase in earnings, just for moving up last year. Good question, I don't know if that's what did it.

"Old images don't sell like they used to"

This is the exact opposite for me. ONLY the old images sell (and well)! No point on uploading new work anymore. New work never sees the light of day sadly ...

Also a good point, we all find differences. My all time best is an old one, some new are in the top ten.  :)
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: GraniteCove on January 11, 2018, 12:34
Ah, the dreaded 38 club..let the games begin. :)
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: jonbull on January 11, 2018, 12:39
So true! I'm waiting for the "anti-cap-earning" peeps to get angry at us for such talk ...

Yes conspiracy writers in this thread wouldn't want to hear the truth when the false claims they have invented is so much more interesting. Now name calling from some and preemptive attacks on anyone who doubts or disagrees will be the way to silence rational opposing discussion. Good work conspiracy people, make up caps, self validate and then shut down the opposing views. Make your own version of truth. Pravda my friends. And who's angry? Sounds like the people claiming caps and earning control are the angry ones here.  :) Please keep shouting down the truth and the facts, that keeps the forum active.

I'm not angry because I'm not capped, my earnings continue to grow each year, must be that they like me and are punishing the people who complain here? First it was SS now it's FT and I would have said all along that IS would be more likely to play these kind of stab in the back money games. Like featuring indie and thinkstock over exclusive, imagine how much money that would save? Flat 15% no one makes their RC level, IS saves all kinds of money.


maybe I'm wrong but i remember u not long ago always complain gin of falling down earning. maybe I'm wrong.

Why do you have three or more accounts here? So you can answer your own claims and make it look like someone else believes your constant BS?

Some months have been lower than past, but every year I have made gains in income. I didn't take all my best images off SS and stop uploading like you claim you did, then come here and whine about sales being down, earnings down and capping. I uploaded more and new ideas and I'm making more.

Old images don't sell like they used to, I'm pretty confident that's universal. I think the word is competition. Better, more and stronger. I don't expect to make more or advance but doing less and sitting on my ass complaining, so I work harder. That's why I earn more every year.

puppet i have only one account and is this. i don't know what u are talking about.
i told u last year i made 50% more..this month is the best start since 2013...but anyway i firmly believe it's a capped business.
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: jonbull on January 11, 2018, 12:40
So true! I'm waiting for the "anti-cap-earning" peeps to get angry at us for such talk ...

Yes conspiracy writers in this thread wouldn't want to hear the truth when the false claims they have invented is so much more interesting. Now name calling from some and preemptive attacks on anyone who doubts or disagrees will be the way to silence rational opposing discussion. Good work conspiracy people, make up caps, self validate and then shut down the opposing views. Make your own version of truth. Pravda my friends. And who's angry? Sounds like the people claiming caps and earning control are the angry ones here.  :) Please keep shouting down the truth and the facts, that keeps the forum active.

I'm not angry because I'm not capped, my earnings continue to grow each year, must be that they like me and are punishing the people who complain here? First it was SS now it's FT and I would have said all along that IS would be more likely to play these kind of stab in the back money games. Like featuring indie and thinkstock over exclusive, imagine how much money that would save? Flat 15% no one makes their RC level, IS saves all kinds of money.


maybe I'm wrong but i remember u not long ago always complain gin of falling down earning. maybe I'm wrong.

Why do you have three or more accounts here? So you can answer your own claims and make it look like someone else believes your constant BS?

Some months have been lower than past, but every year I have made gains in income. I didn't take all my best images off SS and stop uploading like you claim you did, then come here and whine about sales being down, earnings down and capping. I uploaded more and new ideas and I'm making more.

Old images don't sell like they used to, I'm pretty confident that's universal. I think the word is competition. Better, more and stronger. I don't expect to make more or advance but doing less and sitting on my ass complaining, so I work harder. That's why I earn more every year.

puppet i have only one account and is this. i don't know what u are talking about.
i told u last year i made 50% more..this month is the best start since 2013...but anyway i firmly believe it's a capped business.

is contrary puppet....i told in past i made an experiment since 2016 i begin uploading..i didn't upload anything good till 2016...i don't know who you are talking about but it's not me. anyway u are clearly amateur.
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: jonbull on January 11, 2018, 12:42
Are you in the .38 club yada?

Yes but barely, took a long time and my ten best put me over, the thousands rest aren't very good income. That might explain some of the increase in earnings, just for moving up last year. Good question, I don't know if that's what did it.

"Old images don't sell like they used to"

This is the exact opposite for me. ONLY the old images sell (and well)! No point on uploading new work anymore. New work never sees the light of day sadly ...

Also a good point, we all find differences. My all time best is an old one, some new are in the top ten.  :)
barely 0,38? what u earn 50 dollar months?
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: jonbull on January 11, 2018, 12:58
and as predicted after a 73 dollar..today a super crap day not even in weekend i have....like a swiss clock.tomorrow i won't even check.
for the next 10 days i will give them all money back for sure.
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: Semmick Photo on January 11, 2018, 13:11
Capped earnings, yes

I was capped around 600 dollar for a while then there was a change and now I am capped around 300-350. Its uncanny how accurate it is.

I had a few good sales in the past week and a half always resulting in incredibly crap follow up days.


And it will continue like that and I will end the month at 300 dollar.

I have seen it the other way around as well. Having a poor month and at the end a big sale, literally on the last day, pushing the month up to the average.

[/tinfoilhatoff]

I know SS cannot tell buyers what to buy, but they can bring images in front of the buyer that they want to be seen, or not.
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: Pauws99 on January 11, 2018, 13:33
I find it hard to envisage how SS can magic up a big sale at the end of the month  :o
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: Semmick Photo on January 11, 2018, 14:06
I find it hard to envisage how SS can magic up a big sale at the end of the month  :o

By pushing my images in front of a customer when they are searching the site.

Maybe and probably I am just paranoid, but the coincidence is remarkable then
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: Semmick Photo on January 11, 2018, 14:08
I can have a few big sales and then my downloads are down evening it out. Or my downloads are up but I have less big sales.

I do not seem to get a big number of downloads AND a few big sales in the same month
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: obj owl on January 11, 2018, 14:12
I find it hard to envisage how SS can magic up a big sale at the end of the month  :o

That's a lot more feasible than you might think in that big SODs are sold through the Enterprise Team who will often do the search for Enterprise customers.  Therefore, they could (in theory) match customers up with contributors in need of a bump.  Nonsense I know, but doable.
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: pancaketom on January 11, 2018, 14:36
"Old images don't sell like they used to"

This is the exact opposite for me. ONLY the old images sell (and well)! No point on uploading new work anymore. New work never sees the light of day sadly ...

Even when it seems like all of the sales are of old images, they still don't sell like they used to. I went back and opened up the sales from 2012 and it was pretty eye opening how many more sales I had back then with a lot less images (and I'd like to think at least some of the new ones are better quality).

I have seen no real evidence of sales capping - my month to month results vary probably +- 30%. Maybe I am too small potatoes to get capped? I have certainly seen a good sale day or a big sale followed by crap days, but saying you get 2 good days and then a crap day means that after the first good day you had another good day... I am not saying there aren't all sorts of behind the scenes shenanigans with the search - location, image size, age, possibly contributor level. I want to know how the caps are set if they exist. So many people talk about caps - but then say they are up or down a certain amount - usually something significant. If they really had a set income for you, then the people that stopped contributing would still make that amount month after month - unless it is tied to recent upload #s, in which case that would be a different story.
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: Semmick Photo on January 11, 2018, 14:53
I havent uploaded a lot since I got the twins back in Q2 2016 but the decline started July 2015

Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: GraniteCove on January 11, 2018, 16:09
"Old images don't sell like they used to"

This is the exact opposite for me. ONLY the old images sell (and well)! No point on uploading new work anymore. New work never sees the light of day sadly ...

Even when it seems like all of the sales are of old images, they still don't sell like they used to. I went back and opened up the sales from 2012 and it was pretty eye opening how many more sales I had back then with a lot less images (and I'd like to think at least some of the new ones are better quality).

I have seen no real evidence of sales capping - my month to month results vary probably +- 30%. Maybe I am too small potatoes to get capped? I have certainly seen a good sale day or a big sale followed by crap days, but saying you get 2 good days and then a crap day means that after the first good day you had another good day... I am not saying there aren't all sorts of behind the scenes shenanigans with the search - location, image size, age, possibly contributor level. I want to know how the caps are set if they exist. So many people talk about caps - but then say they are up or down a certain amount - usually something significant. If they really had a set income for you, then the people that stopped contributing would still make that amount month after month - unless it is tied to recent upload #s, in which case that would be a different story.

I suppose there's another way to look at it too. Maybe sales are not capped per se,  but portfolios are no longer pushed  or presented to buyers the way they might be when one is just starting out.  Amounts to the same thing but would go a long way in explaining what seems to happen to everyone at SS given enough time. It also explains exactly what this thread's original topic was about. Maybe if SS had been more subtle and implemented this latest iteration gradually then perhaps many of us would not even have noticed; chalking it up to competition or shelf life or whatever. This one though was just too obvious.
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: BelieveInStock on January 11, 2018, 16:32
Sorry YadaYadaYada but if it took you long time to get over $10000, then you can’t compare your experience with people who used to earn this in 2 months (on Shutterstock only of course) or sometimes monthly for a few years. This is my bread and butter, not an amateur weekend activity and that’s why it hurts.


Are you in the .38 club yada?

Yes but barely, took a long time and my ten best put me over, the thousands rest aren't very good income. That might explain some of the increase in earnings, just for moving up last year. Good question, I don't know if that's what did it.

"Old images don't sell like they used to"

This is the exact opposite for me. ONLY the old images sell (and well)! No point on uploading new work anymore. New work never sees the light of day sadly ...

Also a good point, we all find differences. My all time best is an old one, some new are in the top ten.  :)
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: Red Dove on January 11, 2018, 17:11
Having taken a beating for the past three months I'm happy to see things being shaken up. Might even be able to afford hot food and new socks this month.
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: qunamax on January 11, 2018, 18:51
that's something is going on behind the curtain is obvious. they control anything., or do you think that raw pixel.com spend thousand of dollar in shooting without any warranty that they will earn them back, apart the quality of the work they produce. the same for other big seller.

yesterday i had a 73 dollar sale. as always, and i mean ALWAYS, today is super crap, in the sense of 3 download when often at this time i had 20 25 at least. ALWAYS after a 73 dollar it follows 2 3 days of crap. i could have bet my house that today i won't reach 10 download.

this first 10 days i managed to earn more than last january and slightly less than december. i'm surprised but I?M SWURE that from now till 20 i will experience a slow down  , and then better sale in the last 10 days just to reach a good month plus 10% compared to best month of last year.
i bet my pants., i already imagine the total amount at the end of month.

Very interesting, regarding rawpixel port, so what happened to no hard shadows, underexposure and on-camera direct flash all stock guides talked about? Hipster style won the season? 
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: Pauws99 on January 12, 2018, 02:57
I find it hard to envisage how SS can magic up a big sale at the end of the month  :o

That's a lot more feasible than you might think in that big SODs are sold through the Enterprise Team who will often do the search for Enterprise customers.  Therefore, they could (in theory) match customers up with contributors in need of a bump.  Nonsense I know, but doable.
Never thought of that.....but begs the question why they would bump a customer up. While I doubt there's a cap I can see why people might think that. I can't see the logic of wanting to boost a customer to reach a floor.
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: Pauws99 on January 12, 2018, 03:02
"Old images don't sell like they used to"

This is the exact opposite for me. ONLY the old images sell (and well)! No point on uploading new work anymore. New work never sees the light of day sadly ...

Even when it seems like all of the sales are of old images, they still don't sell like they used to. I went back and opened up the sales from 2012 and it was pretty eye opening how many more sales I had back then with a lot less images (and I'd like to think at least some of the new ones are better quality).

I have seen no real evidence of sales capping - my month to month results vary probably +- 30%. Maybe I am too small potatoes to get capped? I have certainly seen a good sale day or a big sale followed by crap days, but saying you get 2 good days and then a crap day means that after the first good day you had another good day... I am not saying there aren't all sorts of behind the scenes shenanigans with the search - location, image size, age, possibly contributor level. I want to know how the caps are set if they exist. So many people talk about caps - but then say they are up or down a certain amount - usually something significant. If they really had a set income for you, then the people that stopped contributing would still make that amount month after month - unless it is tied to recent upload #s, in which case that would be a different story.

I suppose there's another way to look at it too. Maybe sales are not capped per se,  but portfolios are no longer pushed  or presented to buyers the way they might be when one is just starting out.  Amounts to the same thing but would go a long way in explaining what seems to happen to everyone at SS given enough time. It also explains exactly what this thread's original topic was about. Maybe if SS had been more subtle and implemented this latest iteration gradually then perhaps many of us would not even have noticed; chalking it up to competition or shelf life or whatever. This one though was just too obvious.
I don't regard it as the same....why wouldn't SS want to reward and encourage  new contributors who are actively uploading?...that has the effect of reducing earnings of old timers who no longer upload thats not the same as actively throttling earnings. Totally rational business decision.
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: Semmick Photo on January 12, 2018, 04:30
I find it hard to envisage how SS can magic up a big sale at the end of the month  :o

That's a lot more feasible than you might think in that big SODs are sold through the Enterprise Team who will often do the search for Enterprise customers.  Therefore, they could (in theory) match customers up with contributors in need of a bump.  Nonsense I know, but doable.
Never thought of that.....but begs the question why they would bump a customer up. While I doubt there's a cap I can see why people might think that. I can't see the logic of wanting to boost a customer to reach a floor.
Not bumping the customer, but the contributor.

Anyway, I just checked my earnings over the past 6 years and the data is not showing to back up to my claims  ;D

I will post an overview later, I am not at my PC now
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: Pauws99 on January 12, 2018, 05:11
I find it hard to envisage how SS can magic up a big sale at the end of the month  :o

That's a lot more feasible than you might think in that big SODs are sold through the Enterprise Team who will often do the search for Enterprise customers.  Therefore, they could (in theory) match customers up with contributors in need of a bump.  Nonsense I know, but doable.
Never thought of that.....but begs the question why they would bump a customer up. While I doubt there's a cap I can see why people might think that. I can't see the logic of wanting to boost a customer to reach a floor.
Not bumping the customer, but the contributor.

Anyway, I just checked my earnings over the past 6 years and the data is not showing to back up to my claims  ;D

I will post an overview later, I am not at my PC now
yep typo.... :o
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: YadaYadaYada on January 13, 2018, 19:10
Sorry YadaYadaYada but if it took you long time to get over $10000, then you can’t compare your experience with people who used to earn this in 2 months (on Shutterstock only of course) or sometimes monthly for a few years. This is my bread and butter, not an amateur weekend activity and that’s why it hurts.


Are you in the .38 club yada?

Yes but barely, took a long time and my ten best put me over, the thousands rest aren't very good income. That might explain some of the increase in earnings, just for moving up last year. Good question, I don't know if that's what did it.

"Old images don't sell like they used to"

This is the exact opposite for me. ONLY the old images sell (and well)! No point on uploading new work anymore. New work never sees the light of day sadly ...

Also a good point, we all find differences. My all time best is an old one, some new are in the top ten.  :)

I should have expected that, especially when some of the biggest cry babies get 50 downloads a year. Some of the whiners will never make $10,000 on SS because they have no idea what the market is about. And like some old timers who used to say, you can't answer unless you have 2,000 accepted photos, but they have 2,008 photos years later. You don't get to set the level and standards to ridicule me for making the highest level at SS when I'd bet that most of the new people and complainers about their place in the popular isn't what they deserve.

I worked, I made my spot, now you are trying to knock that down. Fine then do the same for everyone who only makes 25, 33 and 36 cents, all the people on this forum in those levels. Or is your insulting arrogance only for someone who disagrees with you? Tell all those people who aren't professional enough for you that they can't have an opinion or compare to your experience. Y9ou are so wonderful I should bow to you, whoever you are?
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: cobalt on January 13, 2018, 20:06
For wiw I am not seeing a difference. Yes sales are slow, but with me it doesn´t really pick up before the 15th in a New Year. Also no change in  the type of files that are selling.
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: YadaYadaYada on January 14, 2018, 18:41
For wiw I am not seeing a difference. Yes sales are slow, but with me it doesn´t really pick up before the 15th in a New Year. Also no change in  the type of files that are selling.

That what I've said. My sales don't change with these strange and wild changes to the search. I don't deny that the search changes or that it makes no sense. Not just SS but IS as well. I just don't see the lost sales that seem to be harming some others. But according to BelieveInStock I don't matter and no one else does if they don't make $5000 a month? Maybe Leaf should shut down the forum or have registration for only the top people like BelieveInStock, who are extra special. The rest of us aren't allowed to have an opinion because we aren't good enough.
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: angelawaye on January 14, 2018, 19:48
Cheer up Yada, you made your spot with hard work! We all have an opinion, that is the great thing about this forum. Everyone has different ideas on what goes on "behind the curtain" but we are all in this race together. (I hope I don't come off as a cry baby from your earlier post, not sure if that was aimed at me?)
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: derek on January 15, 2018, 14:58
Well I think everyone can understand that for example if somebody made $ 4000 a month and then suddenly over night, literary  over night fell to $ 2000 a month without any reason what so ever, same search same everything. Then something is badly WRONG!! doesnt take an Einstein to work that out. Then you here of tons of people not just here but everywhere experiencing the same thing and over night, well, well??

There are some private forums with hundereds of photographers, full-timers and yes!  exactly the same thing.

NOW!  waiting for a Ghost-buster and I think I know which one! haha! ;D
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: obj owl on January 15, 2018, 15:45
Well I think everyone can understand that for example if somebody made $ 4000 a month and then suddenly over night, literary  over night fell to $ 2000 a month without any reason what so ever, same search same everything. Then something is badly WRONG!! doesnt take an Einstein to work that out. Then you here of tons of people not just here but everywhere experiencing the same thing and over night, well, well??

There are some private forums with hundereds of photographers, full-timers and yes!  exactly the same thing.

NOW!  waiting for a Ghost-buster and I think I know which one! haha! ;D

As far as Shutterstock is concerned there are good and obvious reasons why you might have taken a hit overnight.  When the Enterprise Team were working for all we competed against each other, when they inducted the highest earners into Premier Select the Enterprise Team worked first and foremost for them. That's most of your SODs gone and consequently your place in the search takes a hit. So you have gone from giving the high earners a run for their money to struggling to compete against everyone else.  Each time they need to diversify there Premier and Premier Select collections someone else gets it in the neck.  Stratification has been good for Shutterstock and those who made it into the highest level, but everyone else is left with the scraps.  Not all contributors are equal.  It's all been said before you just want to believe someone is being vindictive, it's just business.
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: derek on January 15, 2018, 16:20
Well I think everyone can understand that for example if somebody made $ 4000 a month and then suddenly over night, literary  over night fell to $ 2000 a month without any reason what so ever, same search same everything. Then something is badly WRONG!! doesnt take an Einstein to work that out. Then you here of tons of people not just here but everywhere experiencing the same thing and over night, well, well??

There are some private forums with hundereds of photographers, full-timers and yes!  exactly the same thing.

NOW!  waiting for a Ghost-buster and I think I know which one! haha! ;D

As far as Shutterstock is concerned there are good and obvious reasons why you might have taken a hit overnight.  When the Enterprise Team were working for all we competed against each other, when they inducted the highest earners into Premier Select the Enterprise Team worked first and foremost for them. That's most of your SODs gone and consequently your place in the search takes a hit. So you have gone from giving the high earners a run for their money to struggling to compete against everyone else.  Each time they need to diversify there Premier and Premier Select collections someone else gets it in the neck.  Stratification has been good for Shutterstock and those who made it into the highest level, but everyone else is left with the scraps.  Not all contributors are equal.  It's all been said before you just want to believe someone is being vindictive, it's just business.


Amen!  you sound like a reverend! ;D its not that sanctimonious.
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: YadaYadaYada on January 15, 2018, 21:51
Cheer up Yada, you made your spot with hard work! We all have an opinion, that is the great thing about this forum. Everyone has different ideas on what goes on "behind the curtain" but we are all in this race together. (I hope I don't come off as a cry baby from your earlier post, not sure if that was aimed at me?)

Not you, you know I more often agree with you. Just sometimes there has to be a message to reply to that has some of the info or the general subject. We all make where we are with our work, good or bad. I don't make fun of others or knock them down for being newer or what they do. Some here tend to be arrogant * pretenders, that's a different problem. I don't do what you do and can't tell you what to sell, just that I do my own as I see.

Well I think everyone can understand that for example if somebody made $ 4000 a month and then suddenly over night, literary  over night fell to $ 2000 a month without any reason what so ever, same search same everything. Then something is badly WRONG!! doesnt take an Einstein to work that out. Then you here of tons of people not just here but everywhere experiencing the same thing and over night, well, well??

There are some private forums with hundereds of photographers, full-timers and yes!  exactly the same thing.

NOW!  waiting for a Ghost-buster and I think I know which one! haha! ;D

Send me a link to these 100 photographer forums that have lost half their sales overnight. How many times can we do that before the number is nothing. If you make the same loss for five years, there's nothing left. Math isn't your subject is it? Asking for facts or the truth is not ghostbusters it's BS Busters.
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: derek on January 16, 2018, 02:59
Well I think everyone can understand that for example if somebody made $ 4000 a month and then suddenly over night, literary  over night fell to $ 2000 a month without any reason what so ever, same search same everything. Then something is badly WRONG!! doesnt take an Einstein to work that out. Then you here of tons of people not just here but everywhere experiencing the same thing and over night, well, well??

There are some private forums with hundereds of photographers, full-timers and yes!  exactly the same thing.

NOW!  waiting for a Ghost-buster and I think I know which one! haha! ;D

As far as Shutterstock is concerned there are good and obvious reasons why you might have taken a hit overnight.  When the Enterprise Team were working for all we competed against each other, when they inducted the highest earners into Premier Select the Enterprise Team worked first and foremost for them. That's most of your SODs gone and consequently your place in the search takes a hit. So you have gone from giving the high earners a run for their money to struggling to compete against everyone else.  Each time they need to diversify there Premier and Premier Select collections someone else gets it in the neck.  Stratification has been good for Shutterstock and those who made it into the highest level, but everyone else is left with the scraps.  Not all contributors are equal.  It's all been said before you just want to believe someone is being vindictive, it's just business.

Actually in reading what you wrote here above a second time, I think you are dead right! and correct about many of us that joined in the beginning. I checked it out with some people I know and they agree completely.
The one and only thing that speaks against it is that I supply Offset and also a member of a "Factory" supplying completely different content. Premiere select house many ordinary contributors not just the high earners but in what you said about single-sales youre spot on. Out of some 20 mates with SS not even one of them have had a decent single-sale during the last 8 months, thats incredible!

So all in all sorry for being a bit sarcastic, your analogi is probably correct! :)
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: Pauws99 on January 16, 2018, 03:41
Apart from your 180 bucks at the end of last week presumably?
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: derek on January 16, 2018, 04:05
Apart from your 180 bucks at the end of last week presumably?

sure of course you still get the odd single-sale but its nowhere in the world as often as before....besides that buyer had asked SS if they could buy the copyright of that shot, mailed me and I had to refuse since its been out/sold in many other agencies. Pity!!  that would have fetched lots, lots more!  could even have gone to the Pub and bought you a Pint!

Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: jonbull on January 16, 2018, 07:27
i have to say this month start seems very good here. i hope is a good sign for the year.
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: Bauman on January 29, 2018, 12:23
Slow, slow, slow january ... This is my worst month in the last 5 years ...  >:(
Title: Re: New algorithm change on Shutterstock
Post by: YadaYadaYada on February 04, 2018, 10:45
Cheer up Yada, you made your spot with hard work! We all have an opinion, that is the great thing about this forum. Everyone has different ideas on what goes on "behind the curtain" but we are all in this race together. (I hope I don't come off as a cry baby from your earlier post, not sure if that was aimed at me?)

Yes we are all in this together at different levels of effort and income. There are always the big talkers about how they are so wonderful and the rest of us are not. I think it's insulting when someone answers a question, to be taken out of the thread subject and bashed. Also that makes every new person, with earnings not what they used to be, a target for the same attacks. Nothing was aimed at you.