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« on: March 30, 2013, 04:07 »
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For anyone who is wondering why their editorials are in SS's queue forever, I just got the following e-mail laying down the law for future editorial submissions. I received this two weeks after I complained to support that my photos were in the queue for more than 20 days (more than 35 by now). I sent them what I had from the events in question but haven't heard back from them...

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Please follow the instructions below for your future submissions and make sure you follow the new procedures for every event you submit. This is simply an added layer of assurance for us as well as for yourselves that you are allowed to license the content appropriately.

Images submitted for editorial use that have been taken of the following require proof of credentials before they will accepted:
● Sporting events (including those taken at noncollegiate schools or recreational, nonprofessional events)
● Concerts
● Festivals
● Trade shows
● Theatrical performances (including those taken at school performances/theater)
● Conventions
● Openings
● Ticketed events

Credential requirements: Images shot at any event requiring credentials will only be accepted if the submission is accompanied with either of the following documents proving photographer credentials:

I. An event badge (a sticker will not suffice) that indicates your authorization to shoot the event and includes the following information:
1. the name of the event;
2. the date of the event; and
3. your name (if possible)

OR

II. Correspondence (e.g., email chain, letter) with the venue, performers management, or other authorized representative of the event having the authority to grant you credentials to shoot the
event. Such correspondence must include the following information:
1. the name of the event;
2. the date of the event (if not, then the date of the email);
3. your name;
4. the authorized representatives name and company; and
5. the email must be sent from the representatives company email account.
Please note that we will evaluate credentials on a case by case basis.

To submit images with credentials, please email credentials@shutterstock.com.

Send the credentials to credentials@shutterstock.com and then wait for further instructions from us. We will review the credentials, determine if they are appropriate, and then reply asking you to submit your images with a note to the reviewer at Shutterstock. If your images are of a timely nature (i.e.: a big news or sporting event), add a note to the reviewer explaining this to us and send an email after you have successfully uploaded to credentials@shutterstock.com

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« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2013, 07:24 »
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This is worded very broadly, e.g. festivals includes tons of street activity, parades, food stalls, etc. It rules out an awful lot of stuff.

WarrenPrice

« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2013, 09:56 »
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This is worded very broadly, e.g. festivals includes tons of street activity, parades, food stalls, etc. It rules out an awful lot of stuff.

I've been thinking about uploading my "historical" editorial stuff to Alamy.  Maybe this will finally convince me to get off my butt and make the effort.   :P

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« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2013, 14:04 »
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I knew there was a reason I keep all my media badges. my nieces and nephews love to play with them, but I keep them hanging around. I should probably scan them all in. I also file my accreditation letters just in case.

« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2013, 14:26 »
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I knew there was a reason I keep all my media badges. my nieces and nephews love to play with them, but I keep them hanging around. I should probably scan them all in. I also file my accreditation letters just in case.
Good thing you got badges and not stickers - because those will obviously not suffice  ;D

*shakes head in wonderment* (not at you keeping the badges, but at SS's new policy)

« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2013, 17:54 »
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Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges! I don't have to show you any stinkin' badges.

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« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2013, 18:10 »
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a rule made in one country for the world?
yah. great.

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« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2013, 19:56 »
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Here is the loophole!

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Credential requirements: Images shot at any event requiring credentials will only be accepted if the submission is accompanied with either of the following documents proving photographer credentials:

I. An event badge (a sticker will not suffice) that indicates your authorization to shoot the event and includes the following information:
1. the name of the event;
2. the date of the event; and
3. your name (if possible)

You can have badges made or you can make them yourself.

« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2013, 01:27 »
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a rule made in one country for the world?
yah. great.

This is not the way the media works in my country either and it flies in the face of some core ethical considerations as to what a journalist is. A journalist, or photo journalist for that matter, is supposed to be just like everyone else. No special considerations. No special badges. No special treatment.

Seem to remember something about that in journalism class 102.

The fact that event organisers don't get that concept because they feel they need to "manage" the media better is understandable. Not so for the agency pretending to represent the photojournalist.

RM from here on in, I suspect.


 

« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2013, 05:37 »
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But with these rules, for SS is better if they declares we want works from freelancer accredited. Why so many blablabla?

« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2013, 05:53 »
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No wonder my editorials haven't been reviewed for a week now, they have been up and running with other agencies already.
Oh well, I guess I don't submit editorials to SS anymore.

« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2013, 07:42 »
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Hello,

Just to clarify things...we've had an existing policy of requiring credentials for editorial events like those described above (ticketed events, sporting events, concerts, etc..., that might be held on private property).  We're now asking contributors to send us the credentials prior to the event as a way to speed up the review process. 

Previously, images would be submitted and when there was a question about access or credentials (or if the images were submitted without credentials) --- the images would have been rejected or not approved --- kicking off a back-and-forth email chain with Support.  By sending in the credentials beforehand, you are proactively making sure that your images can get approved in a timely fashion, which makes review go faster for everyone.

Ultimately, the goal is to speed up the review process, as well as protect your ability to license these images while protecting our customer's ability to use them without issues as well.

Ploink - I don't know which account in yours, but if you private message me your Shutterstock username - I can ask the team to look up your account.  As I've mentioned in other threads, the extraordinary review times you're mentioning are almost always circumstances in which there was a problem with a group of images, the images required more information from the contributor, etc...    But I'd like to look into it to make sure you're receiving the best service possible - so please PM me your info.

Best,

Scott
VP of Content
Shutterstock
« Last Edit: March 31, 2013, 07:45 by scottbraut »

WarrenPrice

« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2013, 10:40 »
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Hello,

Just to clarify things...we've had an existing policy of requiring credentials for editorial events like those described above (ticketed events, sporting events, concerts, etc..., that might be held on private property).  We're now asking contributors to send us the credentials prior to the event as a way to speed up the review process. 

Previously, images would be submitted and when there was a question about access or credentials (or if the images were submitted without credentials) --- the images would have been rejected or not approved --- kicking off a back-and-forth email chain with Support.  By sending in the credentials beforehand, you are proactively making sure that your images can get approved in a timely fashion, which makes review go faster for everyone.

Ultimately, the goal is to speed up the review process, as well as protect your ability to license these images while protecting our customer's ability to use them without issues as well.

Ploink - I don't know which account in yours, but if you private message me your Shutterstock username - I can ask the team to look up your account.  As I've mentioned in other threads, the extraordinary review times you're mentioning are almost always circumstances in which there was a problem with a group of images, the images required more information from the contributor, etc...    But I'd like to look into it to make sure you're receiving the best service possible - so please PM me your info.

Best,

Scott
VP of Content
Shutterstock

That part is just NOT true, Scott.  ... the highlighted part.
One of my best sellers is an editorial from an event to which I offered NO credentials.  I had credentials but have no proof. 
And, up until recently (the last year, I guess) my racing images have been accepted, without question.,


« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2013, 12:53 »
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Hi Warren,

Without commenting on a specific image or images, let me explain a little bit about our policies.  At Shutterstock, the content and legal teams work very closely together to ensure the integrity of the marketplace.  Our policies around editorial use, credentials, model and property releases, trademark and copyright (and other related topics) come from constant communication and assessments by those teams working together.  As an example, you can see our
list of known restrictions as well as a recent blog post about credentials

Our policies come from existing law, legal considerations and also new developments. Since new developments can affect existing images, we also perform audits on the collection - i.e., there are times that  we go back into the collection and change a determination on one or more images, though we try to keep those changes to a minimum.  We also update our policies as necessary.

We're in the process of creating more educational materials right now to simplify these issues and better educate contributors on what's appropriate and why.  We hope to release those soon...please keep an eye on Shutterbuzz, since well also be releasing those in article format as well.


Best,

Scott
VP of Content
Shutterstock
« Last Edit: March 31, 2013, 12:56 by scottbraut »

« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2013, 13:36 »
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Ploink - I don't know which account in yours, but if you private message me your Shutterstock username - I can ask the team to look up your account.  As I've mentioned in other threads, the extraordinary review times you're mentioning are almost always circumstances in which there was a problem with a group of images, the images required more information from the contributor, etc...    But I'd like to look into it to make sure you're receiving the best service possible - so please PM me your info.
Sent you a PM just now...

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« Reply #15 on: March 31, 2013, 13:39 »
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Hi Warren,

Without commenting on a specific image or images, let me explain a little bit about our policies.  At Shutterstock, the content and legal teams work very closely together to ensure the integrity of the marketplace.  Our policies around editorial use, credentials, model and property releases, trademark and copyright (and other related topics) come from constant communication and assessments by those teams working together.  As an example, you can see our list of known restrictions as well as a recent blog post about credentials

Our policies come from existing law, legal considerations and also new developments. Since new developments can affect existing images, we also perform audits on the collection - i.e., there are times that  we go back into the collection and change a determination on one or more images, though we try to keep those changes to a minimum.  We also update our policies as necessary.

We're in the process of creating more educational materials right now to simplify these issues and better educate contributors on what's appropriate and why.  We hope to release those soon...please keep an eye on Shutterbuzz, since well also be releasing those in article format as well.


Best,

Scott
VP of Content
Shutterstock
Here is my dilemma!

So this weekend we have a Parade coming up free to the public on public property for everyone in the county.

Now here comes the kick in the ashe!

It is called the Daffodil Festival!

Whoa there now lets back up the freight train some!

A Parade that is called a Festival?

So how would this get in?

It cant be captioned as a Parade even though it is because it is in all actually the Daffodil Festival not the Daffodil Parade!

It is and has always been done this way because we are considered the daffodil capital of the world so they have an annual parade and main st festival with all kinds of vendors and things as well as the first car show of the season.

Catch 22 here??????

And also the list of known restrictions hasen't been updated in at least 4 years that I know of?

Also how are the Off Set images getting through all the copyrights that are in them such as interiors, books, magazines, paintings, artwork, furniture, models and more?

EDIT TO ADD:

Looks like the image restriction list has been updated?
« Last Edit: March 31, 2013, 13:44 by ruxpriencdiam »

WarrenPrice

« Reply #16 on: March 31, 2013, 14:16 »
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« Reply #17 on: March 31, 2013, 19:39 »
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Your list of known restrictions would be best put into country categories.



« Reply #18 on: April 02, 2013, 00:35 »
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As far as the sticker vs badge that reminds me of the one event shutterstock even helped me get into. I never received a badge. They didn't give them out all they gave out was stickers.


Granted I'm sure that would be fine as shutterstock setup the credentials but I'm not sure I will always get a badge.

The second part is there are a few free music fesitvals, and even some sporting events that go on in this area that are open to the public (mainly bike or foot races), no barricades, no tickets, nothing. You just show up walk in and enjoy. How would a situation like this work out? It's all public land, public access. Hell some of these evens like the bike races they are held on public streets DURING normal traffic time and so you have cars on the track with the riders.


« Reply #19 on: April 02, 2013, 01:01 »
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As far as the sticker vs badge that reminds me of the one event shutterstock even helped me get into. I never received a badge. They didn't give them out all they gave out was stickers.


Granted I'm sure that would be fine as shutterstock setup the credentials but I'm not sure I will always get a badge.

The second part is there are a few free music fesitvals, and even some sporting events that go on in this area that are open to the public (mainly bike or foot races), no barricades, no tickets, nothing. You just show up walk in and enjoy. How would a situation like this work out? It's all public land, public access. Hell some of these evens like the bike races they are held on public streets DURING normal traffic time and so you have cars on the track with the riders.

There all types of public non-ticketed events such as parades, carnivals, fitness runs and walks, religious parades and processions, free concerts, etc. The new rules are too vague and cover too much territory. I guess for those things you may have to "shoot first and ask later" if you can submit without credentials.

« Reply #20 on: April 02, 2013, 11:01 »
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I reallyhope e new rules do not cover outdoor unticketed events such as food festival, street events and parades!


« Reply #22 on: April 02, 2013, 16:59 »
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Based on our policy, a free festival or parade in a public area would not require credentials as the event is open to the public and does not take place on private property.



Thank you for clarifying, this is very helpful.

« Reply #23 on: April 03, 2013, 00:18 »
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Thank you scottbraut

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« Reply #24 on: April 03, 2013, 06:45 »
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« Reply #25 on: April 03, 2013, 07:44 »
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thanks for clarifying...
Scottbraut, can you please let us know if SS has the intention to improve On the Red Carpet service for the future? I have tried to deal with them in the past, but it seemed it is not 100% reliable...

« Reply #26 on: April 03, 2013, 22:53 »
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agreed. Great idea but the program kind of falls flat in how I've seen it work.

My biggest complaints are it seems like a big black hole once you put your info out. From there you either don't hear anything at all ever at all, or you get an approval. I think only once did I get a "ok we are in talks please be on the lookout", though that one turned into silence after that as well no denial, no approval just be on the lookout. Some kind of quick feedback would mean a lot even if it was just a hey sorry didn't work, sorry no reply, hey we are checking. At least at that point it stocks the black hole feel.
The other thing that adds to that is I've had talks with a few PR people got the info that's required and carried on a decent conversation with them with a few back and forth emails, send to on the red carpet and from there it just vanishes.

I admit I don't know what goes on form there once I pass it off. They could be working their little bums off trying to get things going. I really don't know but that is part of what frustrates me so much is I don't know. I never know what is going on or what happens from there. It's honestly made me tempted to ask if I could just have SS fill out the forms and send them to me and then I would deal with the PR myself as at least that way I would feel part of the loop.

Please don't get me wrong I love the idea, love the program in ways. It's just at points the program as trofia said though it doesn't seem 100% reliable.

I do hope you continue it though just would like to see some improvement on it.


« Reply #27 on: April 08, 2013, 09:00 »
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I wish I had known about this before I sent in my first 10 images for review.  They are editorial, and have been in the queue for what seems like forever!

« Reply #28 on: April 09, 2013, 09:11 »
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I wish I had known about this before I sent in my first 10 images for review.  They are editorial, and have been in the queue for what seems like forever!

Well, they were reviewed and all rejected unfortunately. 

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Please follow EXACTLY the caption (title) guidelines for editorial (including CAPITAL LETTERS): please read link provided   First: LOCATION Second: DATE Third: Description with date and location at the end of title

Seems I had the location/date prefix in caps, but missed repeating the same information at the end of the title.  Seems a bit frustrating to have to wait so long, and now to have to re-submit again, just for something like this  :(

« Reply #29 on: September 03, 2013, 23:34 »
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Hi guys,

To clarify...

As has been our policy, credentials are required for events taking place on private property or events which require a paid ticket or entry fee. In our assessment, these types of events commonly restrict attendees from shooting and licensing content taken of the event without the event holder's permission.

Based on our policy, a free festival or parade in a public area would not require credentials as the event is open to the public and does not take place on private property.

The reason we are now requesting event badges and/or correspondence with an authorized representative of the event is that these are the most common types of credentials we receive, and we believe them to be a trustworthy indicator of permission to shoot an event. Our goal is that by having contributors submit these specific credentials to us, the process of reviewing these images will go faster.

However, we also recognize that different events may provide credentials other than a badge or correspondence with an authorized representative. As we state in our policy, we will evaluate credentials on a case-by-case basis when you email us.

If you have any further questions regarding whether content you wish to submit requires credentials, please contact credentials@shutterstock.com for more information.

Thanks,

Scott
VP of Content
Shutterstock

Having issues with this now. I shot an event that was a bike race on a public road that I took images of from the sidewalk. After having a chat with one of the reps at shutterstock I'm being told that it's a no go. Even though the event is on public property and open to the public I still need permission from the event holder to be able to photograph and use those images being that I am using them for monetary gain. So far the only reason I have been given as to why is being it's a sporting event credentials are required. If it was a parade I'm told it's fine, if it was a festival I would be fine.

Is this normal and do we need to get permission to use images in an editorial license if they are shot on public?

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« Reply #30 on: September 04, 2013, 06:14 »
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Hi guys,

To clarify...

As has been our policy, credentials are required for events taking place on private property or events which require a paid ticket or entry fee. In our assessment, these types of events commonly restrict attendees from shooting and licensing content taken of the event without the event holder's permission.

Based on our policy, a free festival or parade in a public area would not require credentials as the event is open to the public and does not take place on private property.

The reason we are now requesting event badges and/or correspondence with an authorized representative of the event is that these are the most common types of credentials we receive, and we believe them to be a trustworthy indicator of permission to shoot an event. Our goal is that by having contributors submit these specific credentials to us, the process of reviewing these images will go faster.

However, we also recognize that different events may provide credentials other than a badge or correspondence with an authorized representative. As we state in our policy, we will evaluate credentials on a case-by-case basis when you email us.

If you have any further questions regarding whether content you wish to submit requires credentials, please contact credentials@shutterstock.com for more information.

Thanks,

Scott
VP of Content
Shutterstock

Having issues with this now. I shot an event that was a bike race on a public road that I took images of from the sidewalk. After having a chat with one of the reps at shutterstock I'm being told that it's a no go. Even though the event is on public property and open to the public I still need permission from the event holder to be able to photograph and use those images being that I am using them for monetary gain. So far the only reason I have been given as to why is being it's a sporting event credentials are required. If it was a parade I'm told it's fine, if it was a festival I would be fine.

Is this normal and do we need to get permission to use images in an editorial license if they are shot on public?
Would this fall under this?


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Images submitted for editorial use that have been taken of the following require proof of credentials before they will accepted:
● Sporting events (including those taken at noncollegiate schools or recreational, nonprofessional events)
● Concerts
● Festivals
● Trade shows
● Theatrical performances (including those taken at school performances/theater)
● Conventions
● Openings
● Ticketed events

« Reply #31 on: September 04, 2013, 06:25 »
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Hi guys,

To clarify...

As has been our policy, credentials are required for events taking place on private property or events which require a paid ticket or entry fee. In our assessment, these types of events commonly restrict attendees from shooting and licensing content taken of the event without the event holder's permission.

Based on our policy, a free festival or parade in a public area would not require credentials as the event is open to the public and does not take place on private property.

The reason we are now requesting event badges and/or correspondence with an authorized representative of the event is that these are the most common types of credentials we receive, and we believe them to be a trustworthy indicator of permission to shoot an event. Our goal is that by having contributors submit these specific credentials to us, the process of reviewing these images will go faster.

However, we also recognize that different events may provide credentials other than a badge or correspondence with an authorized representative. As we state in our policy, we will evaluate credentials on a case-by-case basis when you email us.

If you have any further questions regarding whether content you wish to submit requires credentials, please contact credentials@shutterstock.com for more information.

Thanks,

Scott
VP of Content
Shutterstock

Having issues with this now. I shot an event that was a bike race on a public road that I took images of from the sidewalk. After having a chat with one of the reps at shutterstock I'm being told that it's a no go. Even though the event is on public property and open to the public I still need permission from the event holder to be able to photograph and use those images being that I am using them for monetary gain. So far the only reason I have been given as to why is being it's a sporting event credentials are required. If it was a parade I'm told it's fine, if it was a festival I would be fine.

Is this normal and do we need to get permission to use images in an editorial license if they are shot on public?

time for Alamy RM

« Reply #32 on: September 04, 2013, 10:17 »
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Hi guys,

To clarify...

As has been our policy, credentials are required for events taking place on private property or events which require a paid ticket or entry fee. In our assessment, these types of events commonly restrict attendees from shooting and licensing content taken of the event without the event holder's permission.

Based on our policy, a free festival or parade in a public area would not require credentials as the event is open to the public and does not take place on private property.

The reason we are now requesting event badges and/or correspondence with an authorized representative of the event is that these are the most common types of credentials we receive, and we believe them to be a trustworthy indicator of permission to shoot an event. Our goal is that by having contributors submit these specific credentials to us, the process of reviewing these images will go faster.

However, we also recognize that different events may provide credentials other than a badge or correspondence with an authorized representative. As we state in our policy, we will evaluate credentials on a case-by-case basis when you email us.

If you have any further questions regarding whether content you wish to submit requires credentials, please contact credentials@shutterstock.com for more information.

Thanks,

Scott
VP of Content
Shutterstock

Having issues with this now. I shot an event that was a bike race on a public road that I took images of from the sidewalk. After having a chat with one of the reps at shutterstock I'm being told that it's a no go. Even though the event is on public property and open to the public I still need permission from the event holder to be able to photograph and use those images being that I am using them for monetary gain. So far the only reason I have been given as to why is being it's a sporting event credentials are required. If it was a parade I'm told it's fine, if it was a festival I would be fine.

Is this normal and do we need to get permission to use images in an editorial license if they are shot on public?
Would this fall under this?


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Images submitted for editorial use that have been taken of the following require proof of credentials before they will accepted:
● Sporting events (including those taken at noncollegiate schools or recreational, nonprofessional events)
● Concerts
● Festivals
● Trade shows
● Theatrical performances (including those taken at school performances/theater)
● Conventions
● Openings
● Ticketed events

It is from one of those events though it was taken not on private property but a public area.
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« Reply #33 on: September 04, 2013, 12:12 »
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Hi guys,

To clarify...

As has been our policy, credentials are required for events taking place on private property or events which require a paid ticket or entry fee. In our assessment, these types of events commonly restrict attendees from shooting and licensing content taken of the event without the event holder's permission.

Based on our policy, a free festival or parade in a public area would not require credentials as the event is open to the public and does not take place on private property.

The reason we are now requesting event badges and/or correspondence with an authorized representative of the event is that these are the most common types of credentials we receive, and we believe them to be a trustworthy indicator of permission to shoot an event. Our goal is that by having contributors submit these specific credentials to us, the process of reviewing these images will go faster.

However, we also recognize that different events may provide credentials other than a badge or correspondence with an authorized representative. As we state in our policy, we will evaluate credentials on a case-by-case basis when you email us.

If you have any further questions regarding whether content you wish to submit requires credentials, please contact credentials@shutterstock.com for more information.

Thanks,

Scott
VP of Content
Shutterstock

Having issues with this now. I shot an event that was a bike race on a public road that I took images of from the sidewalk. After having a chat with one of the reps at shutterstock I'm being told that it's a no go. Even though the event is on public property and open to the public I still need permission from the event holder to be able to photograph and use those images being that I am using them for monetary gain. So far the only reason I have been given as to why is being it's a sporting event credentials are required. If it was a parade I'm told it's fine, if it was a festival I would be fine.

Is this normal and do we need to get permission to use images in an editorial license if they are shot on public?
Would this fall under this?


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Images submitted for editorial use that have been taken of the following require proof of credentials before they will accepted:
● Sporting events (including those taken at noncollegiate schools or recreational, nonprofessional events)
● Concerts
● Festivals
● Trade shows
● Theatrical performances (including those taken at school performances/theater)
● Conventions
● Openings
● Ticketed events

It is from one of those events though it was taken not on private property but a public area.
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But for these events private and or public makes no difference because it is a sporting event, this also applies to ticketed events where there is any fee being chargeed for access to the event.

« Reply #34 on: September 04, 2013, 13:02 »
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What about what I quoted directly from Scott from Shutterstock? I'll put it here again so it's easier to find.
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Based on our policy, a free festival or parade in a public area would not require credentials as the event is open to the public and does not take place on private property

A festival is listed in the events from the list you are quoting but Scott has said that if it is in a public area as it is open to the public it would not require credentials as it does not take place on private property.

Further quotes from other members of shutterstock have also said things along those same lines

http://submit.shutterstock.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2517165#2517165
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As has been our policy, credentials are required for content shot at events on private property, or events which require a paid ticket or entry fee.

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First, based on our policy, a free or non-ticketed event in a public area would not require credentials. For example, content shot at public street fairs, festivals, parades, and recreational sporting activities taking place in public areas would generally not require credentials. Credentials are required specifically for content shot at events which take place on private property, or which require tickets or an entry fee. Content requiring credentials constitutes a small part of the editorial submissions we receive.

Here they bring up items as well that are on the restricted list that require credentials but seem to make a seperation between public vs private land.

It seems that being on public or private land does matter if I'm reading those correctly.
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« Reply #35 on: September 04, 2013, 13:12 »
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What about what I quoted directly from Scott from Shutterstock? I'll put it here again so it's easier to find.
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Based on our policy, a free festival or parade in a public area would not require credentials as the event is open to the public and does not take place on private property

A festival is listed in the events from the list you are quoting but Scott has said that if it is in a public area as it is open to the public it would not require credentials as it does not take place on private property.

Further quotes from other members of shutterstock have also said things along those same lines

http://submit.shutterstock.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2517165#2517165
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As has been our policy, credentials are required for content shot at events on private property, or events which require a paid ticket or entry fee.

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First, based on our policy, a free or non-ticketed event in a public area would not require credentials. For example, content shot at public street fairs, festivals, parades, and recreational sporting activities taking place in public areas would generally not require credentials. Credentials are required specifically for content shot at events which take place on private property, or which require tickets or an entry fee. Content requiring credentials constitutes a small part of the editorial submissions we receive.

Here they bring up items as well that are on the restricted list that require credentials but seem to make a seperation between public vs private land.

It seems that being on public or private land does matter if I'm reading those correctly.
None of that really matters because it was considered a sporting event because there was someone on a bicycle.

« Reply #36 on: September 04, 2013, 13:15 »
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How does it not matter though that they specify events in a public setting do not require credentials?

If I took pictures of a festival would a credential be required?


« Reply #37 on: September 04, 2013, 13:36 »
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How does it not matter though that they specify events in a public setting do not require credentials?

If I took pictures of a festival would a credential be required?

I can answer that one for you, it depends on the reviewer brunch quality ;D

(not kidding!)

Uncle Pete

« Reply #38 on: September 04, 2013, 14:19 »
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Images submitted for editorial use that have been taken of the following require proof of credentials before they will accepted:
● Sporting events (including those taken at noncollegiate schools or recreational, nonprofessional events)
● Concerts
● Festivals
● Trade shows
● Theatrical performances (including those taken at school performances/theater)
● Conventions
● Openings
● Ticketed events


Doesn't matter where you are standing, the above all require proof of credentials.

Does that explain it in a different way that makes more sense?

« Reply #39 on: September 04, 2013, 14:22 »
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Images submitted for editorial use that have been taken of the following require proof of credentials before they will accepted:
● Sporting events (including those taken at noncollegiate schools or recreational, nonprofessional events)
● Concerts
● Festivals
● Trade shows
● Theatrical performances (including those taken at school performances/theater)
● Conventions
● Openings
● Ticketed events

Doesn't matter where you are standing, the above all require proof of credentials.

Does that explain it in a different way that makes more sense?

Per shutterstock.
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First, based on our policy, a free or non-ticketed event in a public area would not require credentials. For example, content shot at public street fairs, festivals, parades, and recreational sporting activities taking place in public areas would generally not require credentials. Credentials are required specifically for content shot at events which take place on private property, or which require tickets or an entry fee. Content requiring credentials constitutes a small part of the editorial submissions we receive.

No it doesn't make sense.

go through the post by shutterstock compliance, by scott, by anthony. All seem to saying much of the same things.
They created this list of events that require credentials because many times they are on private land or are private events where they as the event organizer are able to restrict the rights of people who enter.
The other things they have made a general saying of is events on public land that are public events do not require credentials. They as the above part I quoted have gone so far as to say even that events that are part of the list above do not require credentials as long as they are on public land and at public events.
They have said that the reason they ask for credentials is to make sure that if you are on private property or at a private event that you have permission to be there and photograph.
« Last Edit: September 04, 2013, 14:38 by txking »

« Reply #40 on: September 04, 2013, 14:28 »
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Double post by mistake

« Reply #41 on: September 04, 2013, 14:34 »
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you are right, something is wrong, oh agencies ;D tomorrow might be different, anyway how is your case regarding your "twin" brother?

« Reply #42 on: September 04, 2013, 14:39 »
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no word yet. case more or less has gone into limbo.
Only change I have really seen is my canadian "friend" has at least taken the information about how I am stealing his information off his public persona wall on facebook though he still has left that information on his private facebook wall.

Uncle Pete

« Reply #43 on: September 04, 2013, 14:43 »
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Because the Sporting Events (and the rest of the restrictions) OVERRIDES the where you were standing guideline?

Simple logic will tell you, if one thing isn't allowed, the rest of the information is irrelevant.

The restrictions say, if you shoot these type of events, for commercial profit... you must have credentials. It doesn't matter what camera, what day, if you know a guy that knows the guy  ;) , where you are standing or if you are someones cousin. Once it's restricted to credentials only, all the other rules, guidelines, allowances and regulations don't exist.

Did that explain it?

And they use the word "generally not" where it should say, usually or normally would. It's confusing, I agree and it contradicts itself, but heck, it's microstock?



Images submitted for editorial use that have been taken of the following require proof of credentials before they will accepted:
● Sporting events (including those taken at noncollegiate schools or recreational, nonprofessional events)
● Concerts
● Festivals
● Trade shows
● Theatrical performances (including those taken at school performances/theater)
● Conventions
● Openings
● Ticketed events

Doesn't matter where you are standing, the above all require proof of credentials.

Does that explain it in a different way that makes more sense?

Per shutterstock.
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First, based on our policy, a free or non-ticketed event in a public area would not require credentials. For example, content shot at public street fairs, festivals, parades, and recreational sporting activities taking place in public areas would generally not require credentials. Credentials are required specifically for content shot at events which take place on private property, or which require tickets or an entry fee. Content requiring credentials constitutes a small part of the editorial submissions we receive.


No it doesn't make sense.

This is direct from shutterstock compliance. What am I reading wrong on what they are saying?
« Last Edit: September 04, 2013, 14:46 by Uncle Pete »

« Reply #44 on: September 04, 2013, 15:00 »
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Because the Sporting Events (and the rest of the restrictions) OVERRIDES the where you were standing guideline?

Simple logic will tell you, if one thing isn't allowed, the rest of the information is irrelevant.

The restrictions say, if you shoot these type of events, for commercial profit... you must have credentials. It doesn't matter what camera, what day, if you know a guy that knows the guy  ;) , where you are standing or if you are someones cousin. Once it's restricted to credentials only, all the other rules, guidelines, allowances and regulations don't exist.

Did that explain it?





Images submitted for editorial use that have been taken of the following require proof of credentials before they will accepted:
● Sporting events (including those taken at noncollegiate schools or recreational, nonprofessional events)
● Concerts
● Festivals
● Trade shows
● Theatrical performances (including those taken at school performances/theater)
● Conventions
● Openings
● Ticketed events

Doesn't matter where you are standing, the above all require proof of credentials.

Does that explain it in a different way that makes more sense?

Per shutterstock.
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First, based on our policy, a free or non-ticketed event in a public area would not require credentials. For example, content shot at public street fairs, festivals, parades, and recreational sporting activities taking place in public areas would generally not require credentials. Credentials are required specifically for content shot at events which take place on private property, or which require tickets or an entry fee. Content requiring credentials constitutes a small part of the editorial submissions we receive.


No it doesn't make sense.

This is direct from shutterstock compliance. What am I reading wrong on what they are saying?


the part where you said "And they use the word "generally not" where it should say, usually or normally would. It's confusing, I agree and it contradicts itself, but heck, it's microstock?" I think makes about the most sense out of all of this.


« Reply #45 on: September 04, 2013, 16:37 »
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« Reply #46 on: September 04, 2013, 17:29 »
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Thank you very much ScottBraut.

I can easily understand why some places and reasons have credentials. You don't want to restrict access to an event only to find out people are still just sneaking cameras in and doing shots anyway. Doesn't quite fit and being that it is a private event you by all means have rights to restrict it.

I do have one more question that I have follow up for regarding another event that I have. I can see both sides to the arguement on this and so I'm not sure which way it would go. If it doesn't get answered here I'll address it when shutterstock contacts me though.

Covered an event that takes place in a national forest on land that has a special use permit that they from what I guess lease. The location is open to the public though, So not sure how that would qualify under private/public as it is part of a national forest.
Anyway an event was held at that location which was open to the public, no tickets no special admission, no barricades, no entrance gate, no fees or anything like that to restrict access to the event if you are watching.
How would something like this work?


ruxpriencdiam

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« Reply #47 on: September 04, 2013, 17:30 »
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Hi all,

Our apologies for any misunderstanding. As we have stated, credentials are required for events taking place on private property and/or ticketed events.

Sporting events (or concerts, festivals, shows or performances) may not require credentials if they are public events taken on public property and do not require a ticket. However, content taken at such an event may require credentials if it appears that the content was taken from a restricted vantage point accessible only to the press or authorized individuals.

The issue with your images, TKing, appears to be that the team had questions about whether you took your images from an area that was restricted. Again, our apologies - our team is going to message you directly.

We'd like to stress that the reason for the credentials policy is to protect both our contributors and customers from potential legal issues that may arise from unauthorized images. That being said, we understand that some of the rules around credentials may be confusing. We're currently developing more educational materials so that we can help you understand our policies better.

In the meantime, as always, feel free to email us at submit@shutterstock.com if you have any questions.

Also - please note that I/we don't monitor these forums actively for support - please continue to use the email address as the primary channel for support questions and we will endeavor to help you the best that we can.

Best Regards,

Scott
VP of Content
Thanks for weighing in on this one Scott.

« Reply #48 on: September 04, 2013, 17:42 »
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we talking about SS guys, not other agency, cheers Scott :D

« Reply #49 on: September 04, 2013, 23:34 »
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i still don't understand why SS is selling editorial, it has nothing to do with its core business model and i'm sure the sales are sluggish to say the least.

the requirements are also ridicolous, proofs of accreditation ? gimme a break, no other agency does that.

if i had some fresh news editorial to upload i would throw it at Demotix, they give you FTP and other upload tools and no BS asked.

« Reply #50 on: September 05, 2013, 06:21 »
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i still don't understand why SS is selling editorial, it has nothing to do with its core business model and i'm sure the sales are sluggish to say the least.

how about an EL yesterday? ;D

« Reply #51 on: September 05, 2013, 19:15 »
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I get editorial downloads all the time. Lots of travel editorials get downloaded for blogs and such.

« Reply #52 on: September 05, 2013, 21:46 »
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I get editorial downloads all the time. Lots of travel editorials get downloaded for blogs and such.

same here

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #53 on: September 06, 2013, 05:44 »
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the requirements are also ridicolous, proofs of accreditation ? gimme a break, no other agency does that.
iStock does.

As mentioned above, if you know you don't need accreditation, e.g. you are definitely in a public place in the UK, not matter what the event, consider Alamy, particularly for secondary editorial.

Anyone know of other RM possibilities other than the more-or-less closed ones?

« Reply #54 on: September 06, 2013, 12:34 »
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Basically it should be clarified in Terms of agreement. Something like, by uploading editorial content, you agree to these terms and conditions.

I am selling to one of our country biggest news agency, got FTP and just upload it. This is how it must work to provide newsworthy images in time.

No badges, no reviews, nothing.

« Reply #55 on: September 06, 2013, 14:57 »
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What kind of events are you covering though?



 

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