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velocicarpo

« Reply #75 on: May 18, 2011, 09:04 »
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- There are tens of thousands scanned vintage illustrations from artists whose copyright expired sold as RF

- There are more than 10,000 images online with the use of the water reflection plugin sold as RF

I think Shutterstock has just started to create a big mob against itself.

I know I won't win over any fans with this comment, but to be honest here I really wouldn't feel too bad for anyone who got reprimanded or suspended by Shutterstock for using any of the above type of images. Using that stuff despite the clear warning on the Upload page that your work should be 100% your own, that's the risk they take when they upload.

There may be a big angry mob in the works here, but I'm not sure they really have much of an argument when they knowingly ignored the site policies and submitted work that wasn't entirely their own. Is Shutterstock wrong for allowing this stuff and then going back on it in some cases? Sure. But it's not like they changed the policy after allowing this type of work. It was always there, and some folks chose to ignore it.

And they don`t care about their own policy. Some are going through. Others not. The database is full of Images using PD and obviously shutterstock knows that. Just think about NASA visible earth images. Using stuff like water reflection Filters, provided textures in 3D software etc. is quite common in all over the Design industry. I see nothing wrong with it as long as the Filter makers, suppliers are fine with it, everything stays legal and no license agreement had been violated. Instead of defending a company which, not for the first time, overreacted to "possible" copyright problems I rather suggest in demanding a reconsideration of their agreement to be able to meet noewadays standards and legal policies. But off course you could delete simply like 30% of the Database and leave it to the competition ;-) (along with every interior shot without property release and every shot with a possibly design copyrighted cup of coffee)
« Last Edit: May 18, 2011, 09:11 by velocicarpo »


Microbius

« Reply #76 on: May 18, 2011, 09:08 »
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Well, for me personally, Shutterstocks behaviour is quite unprofessional. Especially since others have Images online using the same Filter. I am frightened by the lack of solidarity of the community.

Again, we are going by one side of the story here, jm73 posted part of the SS policy that seems to okay the use of the filters. But to get totally behind the OP we'd need to know that that's definitely why he was suspended.

The email he has shared with us goes way back to last year.

Microbius

« Reply #77 on: May 18, 2011, 09:12 »
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Consider this matter closed and you will hear from us when a decision is made
regarding your account.

I was patient 4 months. i just asked about my case, nothing else, because i saw on forum that shutterstock sometimes not receive emails from submiters. So now its forbidden to ask?

Wow, that seems pretty low. They could at least give you a proper explanation.
I'm also not sure what:
"Consider this matter closed and you will hear from us when a decision is made"
is supposed to mean, is it closed or is a decision being made?
It sucks to be left in limbo.

Microbius

« Reply #78 on: May 18, 2011, 09:13 »
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the OP clearly broke the 'Submission Guidlelines' and Shutterstock have terminated his account. Those are the only known facts.

Reading jm73's quote from the terms it seems that actually he was okay to use the filter provided it was okay with the software company and filter creator.

velocicarpo

« Reply #79 on: May 18, 2011, 09:14 »
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Well, for me personally, Shutterstocks behaviour is quite unprofessional. Especially since others have Images online using the same Filter. I am frightened by the lack of solidarity of the community.

Again, we are going by one side of the story here, jm73 posted part of the Shutterstock policy that seems to okay the use of the filters. But to get totally behind the OP we'd need to know that that's definitely why he was suspended.

The email he has shared with us goes way back to last year.
True, maybe we are missing part of the story. Off course my opinion is based on the known. If there had been something else or a real violation it is a different story. But it is not the first time that we hear from suspended accounts and users complaining in public about it. I would suspect that the real copyright violators would rather stay quiet instead of presenting their case in public.

BTW: What happened with the story of FDregular?

Microbius

« Reply #80 on: May 18, 2011, 09:20 »
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BTW: What happened with the story of FDregular?

I'm not sure he just kinda disappeared after that stuff.
I was trying to track down the thread where his account closure was discussed.
As a word of warning on that thread some other guy chimed in saying he was a victim too then it turned out he was actually tracing loads of really famous photos and uploading them!

If the timeline stated in the OPs last post is correct then I have every sympathy for him. Seems like they really are making him suffer unnecessarily over the whole thing.

velocicarpo

« Reply #81 on: May 18, 2011, 09:22 »
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BTW: What happened with the story of FDregular?

I'm not sure he just kinda disappeared after that stuff.
I was trying to track down the thread where his account closure was discussed.
As a word of warning on that thread some other guy chimed in saying he was a victim too then it turned out he was actually tracing loads of really famous photos and uploading them!

If the timeline stated in the OPs last post is correct then I have every sympathy for him. Seems like they really are making him suffer unnecessarily over the whole thing.

Yeah, I remember the guy...this is the other side of the coin. Too many people abusing systems like shutterstock.

dbvirago

« Reply #82 on: May 18, 2011, 09:41 »
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I agree we are probably missing part of the story.

OTH, in looking at the image in question, (and not taking into account that others have done the same thing), how about this scenario?

You have a filter that can put a picture frame around an image. I'm sure there are many of these. If you put a frame around one of your images and submit it, you are using the filter for its intended purpose and that is legal. If you put the frame around a blank image and submit that for the buyer to insert their own image or copy in the blank space, you are, in effect, stealing their filter and reselling it.

I don't know anything about the filter in question, but in looking at the image in question, it looks like it would have similar uses.

« Reply #83 on: May 18, 2011, 09:53 »
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I am frightened by the lack of solidarity of the community.

Oh don't be such a big girl's blouse. This is a discussion forum and 'the community' is discussing the merits or otherwise of the case. We only know one side of the story and even then it is hardly black or white. By his own admission the OP clearly broke the 'Submission Guidlelines' and Shutterstock have terminated his account. Those are the only known facts.

Seems from the following there has been no breach even of submission guidelines, nevemind the law

Doesn't this sentence say that it is allowed to use these filters? I'm afraid that my English is not good enough for understanding of these "slight differences"

e.  if the Submitted Content consists in whole or in part of design elements, fonts, clipart, sprites, vectors, brush tools and the like that are included in design programs (e.g., Photoshop, Daz, Illustrator) by uploading such Submitted Content to Shutterstock, you warrant and represent that the end user license agreement, terms of service or the equivalent license held by you does allow you to incorporate such elements in Submitted Content created by you, and to license such Submitted Content to Shutterstock for the purposes set forth herein;

Yup, 100% I would agree this means use of Filter Forge is okay if you check that it's legally above board. But again, I'm beginning to doubt that the Filter Forge controversy of last year could have been the main reason for the OP's account suspension.

« Reply #84 on: May 18, 2011, 10:23 »
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'You have a filter that can put a picture frame around an image. I'm sure there are many of these. If you put a frame around one of your images and submit it, you are using the filter for its intended purpose and that is legal. If you put the frame around a blank image and submit that for the buyer to insert their own image or copy in the blank space, you are, in effect, stealing their filter and reselling it.'

Not really.  You may be selling the results if using the filter, which is clearly allowed, but you certainly aren't selling the filter itself.

« Reply #85 on: May 18, 2011, 11:13 »
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and my account at bigstock is terminated, because shutterstock own bigstock, i had about 50 photos, uploaded long time ago, when bigstock was not owned by shutterstock, i didn`t have this photo at bigstock, and i had 2 dollars in earnings, i hope they are happy with this 2 dollars.... ;D
« Last Edit: May 19, 2011, 16:06 by copyrightdesign »

« Reply #86 on: May 18, 2011, 11:15 »
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i wouldn`t open new account at bigstock even if they pay me...  ;D

« Reply #87 on: May 18, 2011, 11:21 »
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'You have a filter that can put a picture frame around an image. I'm sure there are many of these. If you put a frame around one of your images and submit it, you are using the filter for its intended purpose and that is legal. If you put the frame around a blank image and submit that for the buyer to insert their own image or copy in the blank space, you are, in effect, stealing their filter and reselling it.'

Not really.  You may be selling the results if using the filter, which is clearly allowed, but you certainly aren't selling the filter itself.

I think same, i am not selling filter, only final image render....

this is email from filter forge support

What concerns your rights to use Filter Forge in commercial purposes, according to our EULA you are free to do it -- filter authors hold the copyright to the filter files proper (.ffxml files), while the copyright to the final rendered images belongs to the end user, i.e. you.

However, I'd recommend that you read the microstock regulations and terms of use carefully -- perhaps, they somehow specify and restrict the use of images made with third-party filters. I'd also recommend that you contact them directly -- hopefully they'll be able to explain the situation and take into account our policy regarding the end user's copyright to the rendered images.

« Reply #88 on: May 18, 2011, 13:48 »
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the truth is that everybody is using filter forge without limit. I would like to show you how many submiters are using filter forge. they all have websites, they all working at all microstock agencies, they are creative, some studios....they can create what they want, they have magic, but when look better you will see its filter forge.

i would like to hear that someone else is terminated beside me, because he has used filter forge to create some photo, until now i didn`t hear that someone is terminated because he used filter forge.

since i am terminated i have a lot time, and am exploring shutterstock, and every filter forge user  that i discovered at shutterstock, they are all still online, with every day new filter forge photos.

shutterstock policy for them is, you can do what you want......with filter forge....

« Reply #89 on: May 18, 2011, 14:45 »
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Can we get links to your potfolio on other microstock sites? Your other images might provide a helpful context to this discussion. Thanks.

« Reply #90 on: May 18, 2011, 15:04 »
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Can we get links to your potfolio on other microstock sites? Your other images might provide a helpful context to this discussion. Thanks.

No, you have all information about this shutterstock case, and what happend to me, you can like it or not. That`s it. I never post anything on any forum, about somedy, i didn`t  make any complainsts. This happens to me, and because shutterstock terminated me, i wanted to share that information.

velocicarpo

« Reply #91 on: May 18, 2011, 15:05 »
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Can we get links to your potfolio on other microstock sites? Your other images might provide a helpful context to this discussion. Thanks.

No, you have all information about this shutterstock case, and what happend to me, you can like it or not. That`s it. I never post anything on any forum, about somedy, i didn`t  make any complainsts. This happens to me, and because shutterstock terminated me, i wanted to share that information.

Not a good move IMHO


« Reply #92 on: May 18, 2011, 15:08 »
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Well then my conclusion is that you have something to hide.

« Reply #93 on: May 18, 2011, 15:14 »
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Well then my conclusion is that you have something to hide.


yes, i hide, i am using photoshop, filter forge, 3d studio max.... and other graphic program like many others. you now everything. i  can be accused for anything. no thanks. mostly i worked on shutterstock, i had metal backgrounds, textures, almost that type of photos, like many other filte forge user, i am using filter forge, but according to shutterstock that is not allowed,

can i see your portfolio?

« Reply #94 on: May 18, 2011, 15:28 »
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well, actually you already included a link to the photo, and so, to your portfolio in 123rf in one of your first posts

« Reply #95 on: May 18, 2011, 15:28 »
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Well then my conclusion is that you have something to hide.


yes, i hide, i am using photoshop, filter forge, 3d studio max.... and other graphic program like many others. you now everything. i  can be accused for anything. no thanks. mostly i worked on shutterstock, i had metal backgrounds, textures, almost that type of photos, like many other filte forge user, i am using filter forge, but according to shutterstock that is not allowed,

can i see your portfolio?

If i hide something, i will never post on this forum, ever, i was blocked for 4 months, and follow what shutterstock told me about my case, i used filter forge, it`s bad and not moral, but i saw that everybody is using, that`s it. Ok i am bad person,  and i hide something, i don`t know what,

The best thing is not say nothing, i can be accused for saying my opinion, and what happend to me. That`s why i didn`t post nothing until now...

Microbius

« Reply #96 on: May 18, 2011, 15:31 »
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I hate to be the one point this out, but you provided a link to your portfolio on another site in your opening post.

« Reply #97 on: May 18, 2011, 15:31 »
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attack is best defense. i just post what happend to me, and what i saw, i am not blind, i said only what i saw...

lisafx

« Reply #98 on: May 18, 2011, 15:39 »
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No, you have all information about this shutterstock case, and what happend to me, you can like it or not. That`s it. I never post anything on any forum, about somedy, i didn`t  make any complainsts. This happens to me, and because shutterstock terminated me, i wanted to share that information.

The best thing is not say nothing, i can be accused for saying my opinion, and what happend to me. That`s why i didn`t post nothing until now...

^^Condensing the relevant portions from two of your posts.  

I think this may be the problem you are encountering.  Never having posted in this forum before, you have not established a reputation.  Shutterstock, on the other hand, has a very good reputation with most of us on these forums.  

You may very well have been treated unfairly by Shutterstock.  Or you may just be a crank.  Since you are unknown on these forums, there is no way for any of us to tell.  

A few months back a long time contributor to these forums had a similar issue with Shutterstock.  He got a lot more sympathy and support because we all knew him and he had a reputation to back him up.  He has since completely vanished, but that's another story...

If you never bothered with this forum before, why do you care what anyone here thinks now?  I am not sure what type of validation or support you were hoping for by posting in a forum full of complete strangers... ???  
« Last Edit: May 18, 2011, 15:43 by lisafx »

« Reply #99 on: May 18, 2011, 15:45 »
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No, you have all information about this shutterstock case, and what happend to me, you can like it or not. That`s it. I never post anything on any forum, about somedy, i didn`t  make any complainsts. This happens to me, and because shutterstock terminated me, i wanted to share that information.

The best thing is not say nothing, i can be accused for saying my opinion, and what happend to me. That`s why i didn`t post nothing until now...

^^Condensing the relevant portions from two of your posts.  

I think this may be the problem you are encountering.  Never having posted in this forum before, you have not established a reputation.  Shutterstock, on the other hand, has a very good reputation with most of us on these forums.  

You may very well have been treated unfairly by Shutterstock.  Or you may just be a crank.  Since you are unknown on these forums, there is no way for any of us to tell.  

A few months back a long time contributor to these forums had a similar issue with Shutterstock.  He got a lot more sympathy and support because we all knew him and he had a reputation to back him up.  He has since completely vanished, but that's another story...

If you never bothered with this forum before, why do you care what anyone here thinks now?  I am not sure what type of validation or support you were hoping for by posting in a forum full of complete strangers... ???  

I never used forum, in any way, i am not using facebook, i am not that kind of person, almost every day i am at computer, i am creating photos, reading books, watching tutorials, i am not moving at all, and now i need to be on forum to be seriously, almost 3 years at shutterstock, that is not serious. ok. i wrote to one submiter who has similar case, about some recycle sign, and his account was blocked, but he is online, and he told me i can wrote to shutterstock or microstock forum, so i did. i wanted to hear what others think about my case? so now and that is forbidden.
« Last Edit: May 18, 2011, 15:52 by copyrightdesign »


 

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