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Valo

« Reply #25 on: June 22, 2014, 05:44 »
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You cannot really use RPI because its not parallel. If I have 1000 images with an RPI of 1 USD and remove i.e. the 500 non selling images, my RPI will jump to 2 USD without changing he quality or DL numbers of my portfolio. RPI could be used as indicator of individual portfolio performance  but not good to indicate an agency performance.


« Reply #26 on: June 22, 2014, 10:01 »
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Of course, if you kill all poor people over the planet, our Earth will become "Planet of Richs"  :D
I don't see any formula where you can get true data results where some fix variables are changed... Little changes will go under "statistical error"!
Of course you can not delete a part of portfolio where some photos were available to bring earnings in calculated period, and then to put data in calculation without them...
What if I delete whole my portfolio on 29th of some month, how could I calculate RPI for that month without any image...? Come on!

P.S.
That will be similar like WHO statistic...
They change measuring limits for some diagnostical disease and suddenly for example next year there is 5% people less with diabetes... :P

« Last Edit: June 22, 2014, 10:06 by borg »

Valo

« Reply #27 on: June 22, 2014, 10:08 »
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That is not the point,  it is about RPI not being a good indicator of an agency's performance. Any earnings someone makes is only representative for their portfolio, it is no guarantee you will make the same with your portfolio.

« Reply #28 on: June 22, 2014, 12:04 »
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Ok! I am done with this...

« Reply #29 on: June 24, 2014, 09:06 »
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That is not the point,  it is about RPI not being a good indicator of an agency's performance. Any earnings someone makes is only representative for their portfolio, it is no guarantee you will make the same with your portfolio.

Same reson for rpi between agencies not any good if they aren't identical pictures and numbers. What sells one agency might not another. Photo has rpi value of 0 and sells many times on another, how does that compare. Photo accepted one but not accepted another. People with 500 won't have same rpi as people with 5000.

RPI would be good if all the same pictures all places.

« Reply #30 on: June 24, 2014, 09:36 »
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So conclusion is that is better to calculate average monthly earnings from the poll (without extremes, no matter of size of portfolios) and then to divide with 5 to hide true averages on a first sight?

RPI is typical relative measure, based on many similar statistics in economy...
And also don't forget, we are searching for average ability of some agency to sell some average photo, no matter what is a type of that image, size of portfolio, niche of agency etc...
At the end, all our portfolios are just average after we sum all of them...
« Last Edit: June 24, 2014, 12:12 by borg »

Batman

« Reply #31 on: June 25, 2014, 08:27 »
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So conclusion is that is better to calculate average monthly earnings from the poll (without extremes, no matter of size of portfolios) and then to divide with 5 to hide true averages on a first sight?

RPI is typical relative measure, based on many similar statistics in economy...
And also don't forget, we are searching for average ability of some agency to sell some average photo, no matter what is a type of that image, size of portfolio, niche of agency etc...
At the end, all our portfolios are just average after we sum all of them...

If somebody have 5000pictures at SS make 100 which is $500 and same somebody at Veer have 5000 and make 3.9 which is $19.5 a month, it tells anybody with 1000 that they don't want to be makeing $5 a month and waste their time. The average on the right has some very big portfolios in them. It's relative to if you make $20 a month on SS now and add Pond5 you can expect to make $1.35 a month there. 7% of SS its relative to you and your photos number not somebody else.

« Reply #32 on: June 25, 2014, 08:58 »
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I don't think we can speak only about number of images in portfolio. Is not very significant. I can have 10000 images in a portfolio and sell 2000 each month but on the other side I can have a portfolio with only 5000 images and sell 4000 a month. Is just an example more or less. The potential of each image counts. Portfolios with high percent of selling images cannot be compared with portfolios with low percent of selling images. To have an idea about we need an equation of parameters where the download rate/image plays an important role. Or maybe the Sell Through Rate parameter that shows exactly how attractive is a portfolio. Is just my humble opinion.


So conclusion is that is better to calculate average monthly earnings from the poll (without extremes, no matter of size of portfolios) and then to divide with 5 to hide true averages on a first sight?

RPI is typical relative measure, based on many similar statistics in economy...
And also don't forget, we are searching for average ability of some agency to sell some average photo, no matter what is a type of that image, size of portfolio, niche of agency etc...
At the end, all our portfolios are just average after we sum all of them...




« Last Edit: June 25, 2014, 09:02 by eZeePics »

« Reply #33 on: June 25, 2014, 14:27 »
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Ok! Once time more and never again!
Most of you people, don't have any clue what I want to say, so I have to try once more... Please sorry because of my English language, I hopethis is simple enough to be understandable...
Please forget our debate about size of portfolios, type of images etc, at the first step, please try to look from agency point of view...
It does not matter how large portfolio of a photographer is, from the  point of view of some agency. For them, it is important how big their portfolio is, of our images in total (that's why on the index page is only the total number of images in millions). They are selling over keywords, not over size of our portfolios... So what we want to know, how their marketing is strong.. Will earning per image (RPI) in some period show us how strong is their ability through their marketing to sell our images? Will see...
Will they tell us who much money they can make in some period with all our images (total earnings) or will they say to us their RPI (so then we can calculate totals)? No!
What we can? We can only to estimate those numbers through our portfolios! But how?
All our portfolios are different, by size, type of images etc.
But we all know that our portfolios have both, good and bad pictures, it means that our portfolios are mostly AVERAGE, with a smaller percentage of exceptions of top photographers (but there are also small percentage of the worst photographers , with a minimum threshold of acceptance, so they will drag top photographers in a bowl with all of us.)
So mostly every microstock agency have similar quality of microstock images, more or less, also probably they all mostly have the same images from independent photographers... From my point of view threshold of acceptance is also very similar... Does it mean that more or less, all agencies has average quality of their complete portfolios (with all of ours average portfolios)? Yes!
Where is the different for us then? Different is only in their ability to bring us money among agencies... But can we know how much our average image will bring to us on some agency?
 I think that we need to know how much agency can earn for average image so far or in some period (monthly will be quite good)!
So, as I mentioned before, we can not know how much average image can earn on some particular agency, even if we know size of agencies portfolios, but they don't want to tell us how big is payment account for contributor payouts every month...
But if we assume that everything is on average? Then only what we can do is to sum as much more of our portfolios of some agency, sum all our earnings of some agency and to divide those two numbers... What we get? Quite close RPI for that agency, or what agency is paid to contributor in some period per average image... If we sum more our portfolios and earnings that number will be closer to "RPI paid" of some agency!
Differences between "paid RPIs" among agencies will show us which agency is better than the other. Also it will show us changes for some agency through time (from month to month)...
Also on that way I can know if I am an average contributor,or better or worse than others ...
This is very similar what Alamy has in their statistic... Why not just to copy here?
« Last Edit: June 26, 2014, 13:35 by borg »

Valo

« Reply #34 on: June 25, 2014, 14:47 »
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Providing an example with two agencies: RPI on Alamy is probably higher than the RPI on Shutterstock, so Alamy should be number 1 and Shutterstock number 2. But earnings wise and in reality for most, Shutterstock would be number 1 and Alamy number 2. Meaning, if we used RPI to indicate agency performance and only submit to number 1, we would be misled and deprived of income.

« Reply #35 on: June 25, 2014, 14:50 »
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Why Alamy should have a higher RPI than SS?
Alamy has almost 47 milions of images, SS almost 38 millions! You think that total monthly payouts (lately) to contributors is higher on Alamy than on SS (Alamy must have plus more than 20% of SS payout to overcome different in size of portfolios between those two agencies, or just to have the same RPI like SS)?
It could be only in case that contributors make much more money on Alamy than on SS in summary... I don't think so! Likely Alamy has far away behind of SS in payouts to contributors...

Or maybe there are some "premium" contributors with +30% of royalty "under the desk"!


« Last Edit: June 25, 2014, 15:22 by borg »


 

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