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Agency Based Discussion => Shutterstock.com => Topic started by: designer093 on October 24, 2018, 09:20
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A week ago my account had been suspended. I've sent many emails to shutterstock about that but they responded about that issue today writing this email to me:
After careful review of activity within your account, we have determined that your contributor account is linked to suspicious activity across our platform. Your contributor account will not be re-activated.
Paragraph 4 of the Submitter Terms & Conditions gives Shutterstock the right to terminate any existing account " . . . for fraud, intellectual property infringement, violation of a third party's rights including those of privacy or publicity, artificially inflating downloads, submission of material that is obscene in nature, violent or that might be construed as defamatory, failure to comply with Shutterstock's guidelines as may be amended from time to time, or for any breach of the terms of this or any other agreement that you have with Shutterstock.”
Guys, do you know what does it mean "suspicious activity across our platform" ?
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Did you purchase your own images, did you open one or more account, do you and a friend share an account, do you share a paypal account, credit card fraud (maybe not even your fault?) stuff like that. You might do a search here, lots of these types of posts. Might give you an idea of things that might cause an account suspension. They typically do not suspend for no reason, but they can make a mistake, just like everyone can. Read through their terms and see if you have violated anything there. Or maybe they can be more specific. Others will probably give you more ideas about what might cause a suspension.
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I believe I did wrongly none of the things you mentioned above. Only I have doubts about I'm working from public workspace. There are other contributors who work there. Maybe they looked to the IPs and blocked me as using multiple shutterstock accounts ?
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Public workspace. Yeah, right.
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What can I do in this case ? Is there any chance to reactivate it ? What do you think ? I'm depressed now :'( :'(
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Turn it into a positive thing instead! youre out of it! out of having constantly to produce and feed the beast with images that hardly ever see the light of day!!...out and away from the frustration of building a portfolio only to have it destroyed by the next search-change and all your work was in vain! :D
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Here’s something to cheer you up
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SJUhlRoBL8M
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guys thanks but it should be a mistake. I haven't do anything wrong.
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How do you know other shutterstock contributors use the same public computer? If I used a public computer I’d have no idea who else was using it.
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we are not using same computer. just same router, same ip.
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Okay, there is this post in your search history:
"I've a company, my employees are designers and want to register as business account on Shutterstock.
Now question is does Shutterstock require some contract or agreement between owner and employees ?
Or should I create contract considering Shutterstock's contributor rules ?
Already researched internet and below resource is all I've found
https://www.shutterstock.com/contributorsupport/articles/kbat02/000006556 (https://www.shutterstock.com/contributorsupport/articles/kbat02/000006556)"
You haven't mentioned this set up in all the posts about your account suspension. What exactly is the set up with these multiple contributors who work for you. Are these the "friends" that were suspended the same time as you that you mentioned?
You are running this business from a public computer? Do your employees take it in turns using the workstation in the coffee shop or wherever?
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That post is not about me, I asked that question for a friend. That's why i haven't mentioned it in the post.
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lol, K
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Only thing you can do, register with someone else ID or Passport, do not upload the same content again ::)
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If you are absolutely sure you did no wrong then all you can do is email shutterstock.
Otherwise learn from this and move on.
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Yeah, I will write email to shutterstock asking more detailed reason why they terminated my account. I'm sure I haven't do anything against terms.
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Yeah, I will write email to shutterstock asking more detailed reason why they terminated my account. I'm sure I haven't do anything against terms.
No I think it would be better if you emailed SS with a detailed reason of what you and your colleagues were doing.
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Turn it into a positive thing instead! youre out of it! out of having constantly to produce and feed the beast with images that hardly ever see the light of day!!...out and away from the frustration of building a portfolio only to have it destroyed by the next search-change and all your work was in vain! :D
Then why do you dwell in so much negativity and why don't you do the same positive thing, by removing your port from all microstock agencies?
I can bet you will be a much happier fellow, knowing yourself shielded from all those search changes.
;)
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Turn it into a positive thing instead! youre out of it! out of having constantly to produce and feed the beast with images that hardly ever see the light of day!!...out and away from the frustration of building a portfolio only to have it destroyed by the next search-change and all your work was in vain! :D
Then why do you dwell in so much negativity and why don't you do the same positive thing, by removing your port from all microstock agencies?
I can bet you will be a much happier fellow, knowing yourself shielded from all those search changes.
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Oh hi BIG zero!! having your monthly again are you? dear oh dear! ::) ::)
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I love how these type of things turn out in the end. It's not about me but my friend or I didn't think I was doing anything wrong. Not my fault that I, or my friend, didn't follow the written rules on the company site :-\
Fade out-- old song playing "Another one bites the dust" by Queen...
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Turn it into a positive thing instead! youre out of it! out of having constantly to produce and feed the beast with images that hardly ever see the light of day!!...out and away from the frustration of building a portfolio only to have it destroyed by the next search-change and all your work was in vain! :D
Then why do you dwell in so much negativity and why don't you do the same positive thing, by removing your port from all microstock agencies?
I can bet you will be a much happier fellow, knowing yourself shielded from all those search changes.
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Oh hi BIG zero!! having your monthly again are you? dear oh dear! ::) ::)
As compared to your "daily"? I feel for you!
:D
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Oh hi BIG zero!! having your monthly again are you? dear oh dear! ::) ::)
MINUS 100 for this comment.
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Fade out-- old song playing "Another one bites the dust" by Queen...
Maybe he just wants to break free (from microstock)
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Oh hi BIG zero!! having your monthly again are you? dear oh dear! ::) ::)
MINUS 100 for this comment.
"Me too."
Maybe we need a women's only section of this forum. Guys seriously this is insulting to all of us.
One of the rare times I would have given a red minus if it was still available.
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guys thanks but it should be a mistake. I haven't do anything wrong.
Clearly shutterstock thinks you have or they wouldn’t have suspended your account. Ask them for specifics of what you did wrong.
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What can I do in this case ? Is there any chance to reactivate it ? What do you think ? I'm depressed now :'( :'(
One of your earliest posts in Jan 2017 was about saving an account from being suspended - a tool to identify and remove titles that violated SS's spam rules. It seemed then a rather odd tool to generate as it would only be of interest to blatant, frequent spammers
https://www.microstockgroup.com/shutterstock-com/save-your-shutterstock-account-from-being-suspended (https://www.microstockgroup.com/shutterstock-com/save-your-shutterstock-account-from-being-suspended)
You didn't post here again (other than the one where you now say you were asking for a "friend", although you wrote "I've a company...") until your account is suspended
There are no links to your portfolio - are you still selling on other agencies and are you willing to share links to your portfolio(s) there? I appreciate that many want anonymity for a variety of reasons, but you seem to think this community can help you but you are essentially completely unknown to anyone here. You don't interact here except to ask about - or offer tools to ward against - suspensions.
So we can assume that Shutterstock has made a terrible mistake - certainly possible - or that you have. I am not aware of any instance brought up here or anywhere else where SS has closed accounts in error. I think legit contributors would have screamed loud and long if it had happened.
Bottom line, absent any more information, if I were a betting person (which I'm not), I'd bet that Shutterstock had good reason.
But as many people have already told you, even if SS made a mistake, no one here can do anything to help you get that straightened out. Only Shutterstock can do that.
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Oh hi BIG zero!! having your monthly again are you? dear oh dear! ::) ::)
MINUS 100 for this comment.
Some people only open their mouth to change feet
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Thanks for helping !
I wrote mail to shutterstock asking being more specific. Hope they will respond.
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Oh hi BIG zero!! having your monthly again are you? dear oh dear! ::) ::)
MINUS 100 for this comment.
Gave you a "like" for that comment! actually it was bad taste of me, didnt think about it! its such a common expression in London when ref to moody men. Sorry Sue! :) :)
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Oh hi BIG zero!! having your monthly again are you? dear oh dear! ::) ::)
MINUS 100 for this comment.
Gave you a "like" for that comment! actually it was bad taste of me, didnt think about it! its such a common expression in London when ref to moody men. Sorry Sue! :) :)
No its not and hasn't been acceptable since about 1990..say that in the workplace and you would be on a disciplinary.
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"derek" aka Chris Lagerek or Lagereek or whatever... he has always insulted people. Just ignore him...
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Oh hi BIG zero!! having your monthly again are you? dear oh dear! ::) ::)
MINUS 100 for this comment.
Gave you a "like" for that comment! actually it was bad taste of me, didnt think about it! its such a common expression in London when ref to moody men. Sorry Sue! :) :)
No its not and hasn't been acceptable since about 1990..say that in the workplace and you would be on a disciplinary.
Jumping on the wagon are we?? good one Pawsy!
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"derek" aka Chris Lagerek or Lagereek or whatever... he has always insulted people. Just ignore him...
"Karolina" aka Kaboom, aka " jeri"...what was that you said???? , didnt hear you???
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Oh hi BIG zero!! having your monthly again are you? dear oh dear! ::) ::)
MINUS 100 for this comment.
Gave you a "like" for that comment! actually it was bad taste of me, didnt think about it! its such a common expression in London when ref to moody men. Sorry Sue! :) :)
No its not and hasn't been acceptable since about 1990..say that in the workplace and you would be on a disciplinary.
Jumping on the wagon are we?? good one Pawsy!
Maybe I just don't like you trying to justify your error with "Fake News".....I would say "man up" and just apologise but that would be politically incorrect ;-).
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Oh hi BIG zero!! having your monthly again are you? dear oh dear! ::) ::)
MINUS 100 for this comment.
Gave you a "like" for that comment! actually it was bad taste of me, didnt think about it! its such a common expression in London when ref to moody men. Sorry Sue! :) :)
No its not and hasn't been acceptable since about 1990..say that in the workplace and you would be on a disciplinary.
Jumping on the wagon are we?? good one Pawsy!
Maybe I just don't like you trying to justify your error with "Fake News".....I would say "man up" and just apologise but that would be politically incorrect ;-).
I did actually if you read above in shadeysues post, but you didnt care to read it! otoh! I didnt realize you were a female Paws! somehow when we have been involved in discussions before thats never come over. Anyway............best to you!
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Oh hi BIG zero!! having your monthly again are you? dear oh dear! ::) ::)
MINUS 100 for this comment.
Gave you a "like" for that comment! actually it was bad taste of me, didnt think about it! its such a common expression in London when ref to moody men. Sorry Sue! :) :)
No its not and hasn't been acceptable since about 1990..say that in the workplace and you would be on a disciplinary.
Jumping on the wagon are we?? good one Pawsy!
Maybe I just don't like you trying to justify your error with "Fake News".....I would say "man up" and just apologise but that would be politically incorrect ;-).
I did actually if you read above in shadeysues post, but you didnt care to read it! otoh! I didnt realize you were a female Paws! somehow when we have been involved in discussions before thats never come over. Anyway............best to you!
Why do you assume I'm a female?...an apology with a lame excuse is not an apology in my view. (You can always tell when I'm doing some keywording....any excuse to get distracted)
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"Me too."
Maybe we need a women's only section of this forum. Guys seriously this is insulting to all of us.
I shiver every time I read a comment like this. Step by step women get closer to using Burkhas, and worse of all, willingly. You should fight to be a recognized and valuable participant of the society, to be present in all areas, and not to be removed from it and much less by voluntary action.
Plus, your comment accused and condemned ALL the men in this forum as offenders because ONE made a comment that it's disrespectful to women.
The fact that most men understand, or at least start to understand that some things are disrespectful to women and should not be said, breaking thousands of years of culture and tradition to acknowledge women as equals, doesn't seem to hold any value to you.
I don't know what it's worse, the crude comment from one man, or your crude stereotyping of men and apartheid mentality. Maybe we should start having water fountains and park benches for women only.
Here's a thought, just push men to the back of the bus and reserve the front to women. That way you won't have man staring at you as you pass and it's safe since ALL men are abusers.
Unbelievable!
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My GOD! what has become of you all here?? 5-6 years back this forum was full of people that could give and take an argument, Bickering or something wrongly said, NOW look at you!! just look!..bunch of supersensitive twatts that is ready to jump on just anything!...makes me want to puke!...this is a stock-forum, not some Metoo gathering or Politically-correct garbage!
Since I wrote that comment I've had 6 of the old school on my mail telling me to just leave it and let these twatts whallop around in their own mess!...truth is you wouldnt last 5 minutes in the real world of creatives, no time for you!...go back to mummy and hang her in the skirt!....now do what you do BEST! talk sheit on my back when turned!...I have to go and vomit!....the man above MicroVet! liste to what he is saying!! and learn!
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My GOD! what has become of you all here?? 5-6 years back this forum was full of people that could give and take an argument, Bickering or something wrongly said, NOW look at you!! just look!..bunch of supersensitive twatts that is ready to jump on just anything!...makes me want to puke!...this is a stock-forum, not some Metoo gathering or Politically-correct garbage!
Since I wrote that comment I've had 6 of the old school on my mail telling me to just leave it and let these twatts whallop around in their own mess!...truth is you wouldnt last 5 minutes in the real world of creatives, no time for you!...go back to mummy and hang her in the skirt!....now do what you do BEST! talk sheit on my back when turned!...I have to go and vomit!....the man above MicroVet! liste to what he is saying!! and learn!
Your apology didn't last long did it!
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"Me too."
Maybe we need a women's only section of this forum. Guys seriously this is insulting to all of us.
I shiver every time I read a comment like this. Step by step women get closer to using Burkhas, and worse of all, willingly. You should fight to be a recognized and valuable participant of the society, to be present in all areas, and not to be removed from it and much less by voluntary action.
Plus, your comment accused and condemned ALL the men in this forum as offenders because ONE made a comment that it's disrespectful to women.
The fact that most men understand, or at least start to understand that some things are disrespectful to women and should not be said, breaking thousands of years of culture and tradition to acknowledge women as equals, doesn't seem to hold any value to you.
I don't know what it's worse, the crude comment from one man, or your crude stereotyping of men and apartheid mentality. Maybe we should start having water fountains and park benches for women only.
Here's a thought, just push men to the back of the bus and reserve the front to women. That way you won't have man staring at you as you pass and it's safe since ALL men are abusers.
Unbelievable!
I guarantee there is more than one man on this site that makes those types of comments, or has that mentality regarding women. Yes, most here are respectful, men and women alike...some are not.
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My GOD! what has become of you all here?? 5-6 years back this forum was full of people that could give and take an argument, Bickering or something wrongly said, NOW look at you!! just look!..bunch of supersensitive twatts that is ready to jump on just anything!...makes me want to puke!...this is a stock-forum, not some Metoo gathering or Politically-correct garbage!
Since I wrote that comment I've had 6 of the old school on my mail telling me to just leave it and let these twatts whallop around in their own mess!...truth is you wouldnt last 5 minutes in the real world of creatives, no time for you!...go back to mummy and hang her in the skirt!....now do what you do BEST! talk sheit on my back when turned!...I have to go and vomit!....the man above MicroVet! liste to what he is saying!! and learn!
Stop projecting. You started the personal attacks with "Oh hi BIG zero!! having your monthly again are you? dear oh dear!" after a simple tongue in cheek comment. You are the one that couldn't take the joke and you are the one throwing your toys out of the pram now, because you can't take people arguing with you. I suggest you grow some and learn to take criticism.
Acting all oppressed because some people don't like a turn of phrase you used. Boo flippin' hoo.
Stop being so sensitive you absolute cry man-baby.
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My GOD! what has become of you all here?? 5-6 years back this forum was full of people that could give and take an argument, Bickering or something wrongly said, NOW look at you!! just look!..bunch of supersensitive twatts that is ready to jump on just anything!...makes me want to puke!...this is a stock-forum, not some Metoo gathering or Politically-correct garbage!
Since I wrote that comment I've had 6 of the old school on my mail telling me to just leave it and let these twatts whallop around in their own mess!...truth is you wouldnt last 5 minutes in the real world of creatives, no time for you!...go back to mummy and hang her in the skirt!....now do what you do BEST! talk sheit on my back when turned!...I have to go and vomit!....the man above MicroVet! liste to what he is saying!! and learn!
Stop projecting. You started the personal attacks with "Oh hi BIG zero!! having your monthly again are you? dear oh dear!" after a simple tongue in cheek comment. You are the one that couldn't take the joke and you are the one throwing your toys out of the pram now, because you can't take people arguing with you. I suggest you grow some and learn to take criticism.
Acting all oppressed because some people don't like a turn of phrase you used. Boo flippin' hoo.
Stop being so sensitive you absolute cry man-baby.
I dont care one bit mate who started it, I dont mind a verbal fight at all you know that but when people start all the politically-correct and Metoo crap in a microstock forum, hahahaha! well its just gone too far!...its a PUBLIC forum so just guess whos laughing their heads off! unbelievable!! hahahahaha!
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"Me too."
Maybe we need a women's only section of this forum. Guys seriously this is insulting to all of us.
I shiver every time I read a comment like this. Step by step women get closer to using Burkhas, and worse of all, willingly.
Nothing wrong with that. Women and men should be able to wear whatever they like, as long as it is willingly.
For your information, the veil and the burkas originate from the assyrian culture. Back then, a thousand of years BC (maybe more), the veil was worn willingly by "respectful" women.
Only, slaves and prostitutes were forbiden by law to use it.
This is funny when you think that some countries, considered "civilised" have even laws against its use.
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"Me too."
Maybe we need a women's only section of this forum. Guys seriously this is insulting to all of us.
I shiver every time I read a comment like this. Step by step women get closer to using Burkhas, and worse of all, willingly.
Nothing wrong with that. Women and men should be able to wear whatever they like, as long as it is willingly.
For your information, the veil and the burkas originate from the assyrian culture. Back then, a thousand of years BC (maybe more), the veil was worn willingly by "respectful" women.
Only, slaves and prostitutes were forbiden by law to use it.
Yeah... That's called Stockholm syndrome based on culture and education.
If you raise a child believing in the most f*cked up things and make him/her believe that by doing them they're making not only the right thing but even making them better than others, they'll do it "willingly".
Ancient Egyptians married fathers and daughters and performed all type of f*cked up genetic inbreeding. I'm pretty sure that everybody would answer they were doing it willingly, especially when not doing it would turn them into pariahs.
Even children that are groomed by their parents say they performed sex with they by their own will.
I've got a community in my country that perform child marriages against all laws. They'll tell you they do it willingly. Girls from that ethnic group abandon school at 10 or 11 years old because that's what traditions orders and they "want" to be like their mothers and take care of the house.
Immigrants coming from Africa mutilate the genitals of their daughters, and I bet most if not all of those girls are anxiously waiting for the day their parents perform that abomination on them, because that will make them right, better, become women, etc.
So, don't pull that argument on me.
Forums just for women, just like buses, trains, gyms, etc, are a setback to the western society. The moment women start to isolate themselves I guarantee you their future generations will regret bitterly because then some men will have an excuse to start excluding them, like they did in the past.
The most stupid thing is that women fought and died for over a century to be in the public life. And now many start to claim the right to be excluded from it! Mind boggling!
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I guarantee there is more than one man on this site that makes those types of comments, or has that mentality regarding women. Yes, most here are respectful, men and women alike...some are not.
Unless you're telling me that the vast majority of men on this forum disrespect women continuously, and that attitude is tolerated by the owner and moderators, I will not accept that some women in this forum classify all men as abusers or imply that there is a women intolerant environment to the point that a women specific section is needed!
Just grow up, thicken your skin and fight those who disrespect you. That's how conquests have been made in the past. In fact, that's how you even got the right to be in this forum and express your voice freely, instead of being locked up in a house tending to your man needs. Not by creating women only clubs and forums.
And I'm absolutely sure that you will not be surprised that many men will take your side, which is also one of the major reasons women conquered more freedom in the past 100 years than in the thousands of years before. Because many men sided with women and agreed with their reasons.
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To be honest I thought the comment about a women's only section was somewhat tongue in cheek :o. I think its interesting though that a post pointing out what probably 95% of members consider an ill judged comment at best has created such a vitriolic argument.
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I think it's time to start that women-only forum.
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What was this topic about? ???
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To be honest I thought the comment about a women's only section was somewhat tongue in cheek :o. I think its interesting though that a post pointing out what probably 95% of members consider ill judged at best has created such a vitriolic argument.
In this day and age, regarding this issue nothing is to be taken as tongue in cheek. In my country there are women claiming to have transports just for them. A measure that several countries have already taken.
In the past men only clubs have been forbidden, for now women only businesses and places to start creeping around.
At this very moment universities in my country, instead of being beacons of educated free thinking and progress, are battlefields where censorship of ideas and even thoughts gain alarming ground. Even common words are micromanaged and potentially reason for public shaming. Debates, instead of welcoming different ideas end up with attempts to stop the participation of some intellectuals just bacause they don't fit the PC norm.
The use of traditional expressions tend to create a lynching mob instead of an education action.
This politically correct movement, where every opinion is extremist, all black and white, no shades of grey, no tolerance, of lynching mobs and inquisition is starting to fracture society.
The result is the alarming growing popularity of conservative and authoritarian politicians, like Trump, Orban, Le Pen, Salvini, Bolsonaro, just to name a few recent ones.
You may think I'm overreacting, but watch the world, the timeline of this politically correct movement and connect the dots. So, sorry for not taking some things lightly.
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"Me too."
Maybe we need a women's only section of this forum. Guys seriously this is insulting to all of us.
I shiver every time I read a comment like this. Step by step women get closer to using Burkhas, and worse of all, willingly.
Nothing wrong with that. Women and men should be able to wear whatever they like, as long as it is willingly.
For your information, the veil and the burkas originate from the assyrian culture. Back then, a thousand of years BC (maybe more), the veil was worn willingly by "respectful" women.
Only, slaves and prostitutes were forbiden by law to use it.
Yeah... That's called Stockholm syndrome based on culture and education.
If you educate a person believing in the most f*cked up things and make him/her believe that by doing them they're making not only the right thing but even making them better than others, they'll do it "willingly".
Ancient Egyptians married fathers and daughters and performed all type of f*cked up genetic inbreeding. I'm pretty sure that everybody would answer they were doing it willingly, especially when not doing it would turn them into pariahs.
Even children that are groomed by their parents say they performed sex with they by their own will.
I've got a community in my country that perform child marriages against all laws. They'll tell you they do it willingly. Girls from that ethnic group abandon school at 10 or 11 years old because that's what traditions orders and they "want" to be like their mothers and take care of the house.
Immigrants coming from Africa mutilate the genitals of their daughters, and I bet most if not all of those girls are anxiously waiting for the day their parents perform that abomination on them, because that will make them right, better, become women, etc.
So, don't pull that argument on me.
Forums just for women, just like buses, trains, gyms, etc, are a setback to the western society. The moment women start to isolate themselves I guarantee you their future generations will regret bitterly because then some men will have an excuse to start excluding them, like they did in the past.
The most stupid thing is that women fought and died for over a century to be in the public life. And now many start to claim the right to be excluded from it! Mind boggling!
May I remind you that we are talking about an innocent piece of clothing.
I am also talking about free will and you give me examples of mutilation and child abuse, having nothing to do with it. Do you actually think that the concept of free will can be extrapolated to babies, when you give such examples?
Anyway, how arrogant is to think that you, or lawmakers who think like you, know better what is good and what is bad for some individuals or group of people exercising their free will in choosing their cloths.
France with those anti-burka laws is more backwards than Assyrians three thousands years ago, when only 2 categories of women were denied to right to wear that piece of clothing. Now France is taking this right away from all women.
How arrogant can one be to claim that one's free will originates from a Stockholm syndrome?
There are many restrictions in our "modern" society, taken for granted after systematic brainwashing aiming to convince people to accept them "for their own protection".
So you might be subject of many Stockholm syndromes yourself, when you side with such oppressive lawmakers, who made you believe that oppressive laws are good for you. Have ever thought about it?
I told you the origins of the veil and burka. In many places, like Eastern Europe, this tradition evolved into the scarf. Even today, in some of these places, women consider impolite to show their hair in public and wear the scarf, all the time. Are all these women also affected by the Stockholm syndrome?
Far from that, I would say. It is a tradition and you must respect that. Nobody is forcing them to do it, not their husbands and not any law. It is their choice, their free will. The same thing is valid for many middle eastern women who chose to wear the veil, because it is their tradition and they like it.
How hard is to understand that?
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I think it's time to start that women-only forum.
It might be time to close this forum :-\
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To be honest I thought the comment about a women's only section was somewhat tongue in cheek :o. I think its interesting though that a post pointing out what probably 95% of members consider ill judged at best has created such a vitriolic argument.
In this day and age, regarding this issue nothing is to be taken as tongue in cheek. In my country there are women claiming to have transports just for them. A measure that several countries have already taken.
In the past men only clubs have been forbidden, for now women only businesses and places to start creeping around.
At this very moment universities in my country, instead of being beacons of educated free thinking and progress, are battlefields where censorship of ideas and even thoughts gain alarming ground. Even common words are micromanaged and potentially reason for public shaming. Debates, instead of welcoming different ideas end up with attempts to stop the participation of some intellectuals just bacause they don't fit the PC norm.
The use of traditional expressions tend to create a lynching mob instead of an education action.
This politically correct movement, where every opinion is extremist, all black and white, no shades of grey, no tolerance, of lynching mobs and inquisition is starting to fracture society.
The result is the alarming growing popularity of conservative and authoritarian politicians, like Trump, Orban, Le Pen, Salvini, Bolsonaro, just to name a few recent ones.
You may think I'm overreacting, but watch the world, the timeline of this politically correct movement and connect the dots. So, sorry for not taking some things lightly.
What you say is extremely almost frightfully true!! just see the schitzophrenic reaction of a sentence I used which is a harmless saying! expression! all of a sudden a specific person thought I broke the rules of Metoo, political-correctness, the Koran, the bible, every religion under the sun!.." manic-panic"behaviour!
No point trying to explain anything sensible to these 6 people involved, they are lefty/lib and to them micro-stock is just a way of fraternizing with each other, score " likes" and talk behind peoples backs! most likes must be the most intelligent philosophy!...Yes its pityfull! they are a sad bunch!
Soon they will contact their friends and ask them to join in as well as always!..
Best thing we can do is just to leave this thread and not stoop to their level of ignorance and bewilderness. They are very confused!
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I think it's time to start that women-only forum.
It might be time to close this forum :-\
Nah, just update your ignore list. So simple
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To be honest I thought the comment about a women's only section was somewhat tongue in cheek :o. I think its interesting though that a post pointing out what probably 95% of members consider ill judged at best has created such a vitriolic argument.
In this day and age, regarding this issue nothing is to be taken as tongue in cheek. In my country there are women claiming to have transports just for them. A measure that several countries have already taken.
In the past men only clubs have been forbidden, for now women only businesses and places to start creeping around.
At this very moment universities in my country, instead of being beacons of educated free thinking and progress, are battlefields where censorship of ideas and even thoughts gain alarming ground. Even common words are micromanaged and potentially reason for public shaming. Debates, instead of welcoming different ideas end up with attempts to stop the participation of some intellectuals just bacause they don't fit the PC norm.
The use of traditional expressions tend to create a lynching mob instead of an education action.
This politically correct movement, where every opinion is extremist, all black and white, no shades of grey, no tolerance, of lynching mobs and inquisition is starting to fracture society.
The result is the alarming growing popularity of conservative and authoritarian politicians, like Trump, Orban, Le Pen, Salvini, Bolsonaro, just to name a few recent ones.
You may think I'm overreacting, but watch the world, the timeline of this politically correct movement and connect the dots. So, sorry for not taking some things lightly.
What you say is extremely almost frightfully true!! just see the schitzophrenic reaction of a sentence I used which is a harmless saying! expression! all of a sudden a specific person thought I broke the rules of Metoo, political-correctness, the Koran, the bible, every religion under the sun!.." manic-panic"behaviour!
No point trying to explain anything sensible to these 6 people involved, they are lefty/lib and to them micro-stock is just a way of fraternizing with each other, score " likes" and talk behind peoples backs! most likes must be the most intelligent philosophy!...Yes its pityfull! they are a sad bunch!
Soon they will contact their friends and ask them to join in as well as always!..
Best thing we can do is just to leave this thread and not stoop to their level of ignorance and bewilderness. They are very confused!
The only one to mention their "friends" is you......
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May I remind you that we are talking about an innocent piece of clothing.
This is the basic reason why you fail to understand all that follows.
That "innocent piece of clothing" is a strong religious symbol dictated by the religious norms, not the latest fashion trend adopted by some women for a season or two. So much that in many countries women failing to use it (in any of its different forms) are punished by law. So much for an innocent piece of clothing, right?
Plus, in many of the countries where the use is not enforced by law there's a strong criticism and pressure from society against those women that do not use it. How much of that criticism do you think becomes harassment or discrimination?
I remember in my own country when women started to use mini-skirts, trousers, going to pastry shops (cafes and pubs were unthinkable to women) what they were called. "Whore" was one of the nicest things...
There was a huge pressure for women not to dress like that. But since the everyday clothing did not have any religious imposition it was possible for the brave ones, with the support or tolerance of their fathers, boyfriends or husbands, to go through and path the way to other women initially more shy. Today, no one cares about it.
But society and peer pressure plays a huge role limiting that free will. When religions gets in the way then things get ugly.
In my country many women still use the scarf, especially in the interior. As far as I know they are not imposing it or criticizing those who not wear them anymore.
I am also talking about free will and you give me examples of mutilation and child abuse, having nothing to do with it. Do you actually think that the concept of free will can be extrapolated to babies, when you give such examples?
I'm not talking about babies. The examples I have given refer to adolescents. They understand what is happening and consent it (the way an adolescent is able to, anyway), but were brought to believe that that's the correct way to do things. Many times led to believe that the people not doing it are wrong and they are better.
Plus, you're being shortsighted because you are ignoring that it's the education they receive as children that will form their adult personalities. And the continuing of unacceptable traditions.
So you might be subject of many Stockholm syndromes yourself, when you side with such oppressive lawmakers, who made you believe that oppressive laws are good for you. Have ever thought about it?
I have full conscience that I'm a product of my society and education. Having that conscience I regularly question many things since and don't accept blindly what people want to stick down my throat. I also used unacceptable haircuts and clothing (punk with mohawk) and know very well . I went through the public condemnation the peer pressure process. So I know what I'm talking about. Now I see kids with mohawks imitating footballers.
Yet, I know I continue to be a product of my society. Maybe a bit misfit, but still...
I told you the origins of the veil and burka. In many places, like Eastern Europe, this tradition evolved into the scarf. Even today, in some of these places, women consider impolite to show their hair in public and wear the scarf, all the time. Are all these women also affected by the Stockholm syndrome?
Far from that, I would say. It is a tradition and you must respect that. Nobody is forcing them to do it, not their husbands and not any law. It is their choice, their free will. The same thing is valid for many middle eastern women who chose to wear the veil, because it is their tradition and they like it.
There's a difference between a tradition and religious imposition, many time punished by law as I mentioned. The Burka and it's less invasive variation belong to the latest kind.
How hard is to understand that?
That is a question you should ask yourself.
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To be honest I thought the comment about a women's only section was somewhat tongue in cheek :o. I think its interesting though that a post pointing out what probably 95% of members consider ill judged at best has created such a vitriolic argument.
In this day and age, regarding this issue nothing is to be taken as tongue in cheek. In my country there are women claiming to have transports just for them. A measure that several countries have already taken.
In the past men only clubs have been forbidden, for now women only businesses and places to start creeping around.
At this very moment universities in my country, instead of being beacons of educated free thinking and progress, are battlefields where censorship of ideas and even thoughts gain alarming ground. Even common words are micromanaged and potentially reason for public shaming. Debates, instead of welcoming different ideas end up with attempts to stop the participation of some intellectuals just bacause they don't fit the PC norm.
The use of traditional expressions tend to create a lynching mob instead of an education action.
This politically correct movement, where every opinion is extremist, all black and white, no shades of grey, no tolerance, of lynching mobs and inquisition is starting to fracture society.
The result is the alarming growing popularity of conservative and authoritarian politicians, like Trump, Orban, Le Pen, Salvini, Bolsonaro, just to name a few recent ones.
You may think I'm overreacting, but watch the world, the timeline of this politically correct movement and connect the dots. So, sorry for not taking some things lightly.
What you say is extremely almost frightfully true!! just see the schitzophrenic reaction of a sentence I used which is a harmless saying! expression! all of a sudden a specific person thought I broke the rules of Metoo, political-correctness, the Koran, the bible, every religion under the sun!.." manic-panic"behaviour!
No point trying to explain anything sensible to these 6 people involved, they are lefty/lib and to them micro-stock is just a way of fraternizing with each other, score " likes" and talk behind peoples backs! most likes must be the most intelligent philosophy!...Yes its pityfull! they are a sad bunch!
Soon they will contact their friends and ask them to join in as well as always!..
Best thing we can do is just to leave this thread and not stoop to their level of ignorance and bewilderness. They are very confused!
The only one to mention their "friends" is you......
How can you react like this over a veil, Burka, Hijab etc, etc! its laughable! and I bet you wouldnt wear one if it came to it. All mouth thats all, just mouth!
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May I remind you that we are talking about an innocent piece of clothing.
This is the basic reason why you fail to understand all that follows.
That "innocent piece of clothing" is a strong religious symbol dictated by the religious norms, not the latest fashion trend adopted by some women for a season or two. So much that in many countries women failing to use it (in any of its different forms) are punished by law. So much for an innocent piece of clothing, right?
Plus, in many of the countries where the use is not enforced by law there's a strong criticism and pressure from society against those women that do not use it. How much of that criticism do you think becomes harassment or discrimination?
I remember in my own country when women started to use mini-skirts, trousers, going to pastry shops (cafes and pubs were unthinkable to women) what they were called. "Whore" was one of the nicest things...
There was a huge pressure for women not to dress like that. But since the everyday clothing did not have any religious imposition it was possible for the brave ones, with the support or tolerance of their fathers, boyfriends or husbands, to go through and path the way to other women initially more shy. Today, no one cares about it.
But society and peer pressure plays a huge role limiting that free will. When religions gets in the way then things get ugly.
In my country many women still use the scarf, especially in the interior. As far as I know they are not imposing it or criticizing those who not wear them anymore.
I am also talking about free will and you give me examples of mutilation and child abuse, having nothing to do with it. Do you actually think that the concept of free will can be extrapolated to babies, when you give such examples?
I'm not talking about babies. The examples I have given refer to adolescents. They understand what is happening and consent it (the way an adolescent is able to, anyway), but were brought to believe that that's the correct way to do things. Many times led to believe that the people not doing it are wrong and they are better.
Plus, you're being shortsighted because you are ignoring that it's the education they receive as children that will form their adult personalities. And the continuing of unacceptable traditions.
So you might be subject of many Stockholm syndromes yourself, when you side with such oppressive lawmakers, who made you believe that oppressive laws are good for you. Have ever thought about it?
I have full conscience that I'm a product of my society and education. Having that conscience I regularly question many things since and don't accept blindly what people want to stick down my throat. I also used unacceptable haircuts and clothing (punk with mohawk) and know very well . I went through the public condemnation the peer pressure process. So I know what I'm talking about. Now I see kids with mohawks imitating footballers.
Yet, I know I continue to be a product of my society. Maybe a bit misfit, but still...
I told you the origins of the veil and burka. In many places, like Eastern Europe, this tradition evolved into the scarf. Even today, in some of these places, women consider impolite to show their hair in public and wear the scarf, all the time. Are all these women also affected by the Stockholm syndrome?
Far from that, I would say. It is a tradition and you must respect that. Nobody is forcing them to do it, not their husbands and not any law. It is their choice, their free will. The same thing is valid for many middle eastern women who chose to wear the veil, because it is their tradition and they like it.
There's a difference between a tradition and religious imposition, many time punished by law as I mentioned. The Burka and it's less invasive variation belong to the latest kind.
How hard is to understand that?
That is a question you should ask yourself.
There are many religious impositions, besides the veil or burka accepted as normal even in a free and laic society. Besides, many traditions and society norms originate from religious impositions.
Why would this piece of clothing be any different?
You don't get that I am against laws mandating burkas as much as I am against laws forbidding it!
France is no different than Saudi Arabia from this point of view. Both countries have oppressive laws forcing women to wear what the government considers OK.
This is my message for you: Let people wear what the want, let them be free to exercise their religion, tradition or fashion taste and stop imposing your beliefs on others.
I asked about babies because it was you who has extrapolated the notion of free will to minors. If you give me bad examples with minors, why stopping there and not extrapolating even further to babies? Get my point?
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To be honest I thought the comment about a women's only section was somewhat tongue in cheek :o. I think its interesting though that a post pointing out what probably 95% of members consider ill judged at best has created such a vitriolic argument.
In this day and age, regarding this issue nothing is to be taken as tongue in cheek. In my country there are women claiming to have transports just for them. A measure that several countries have already taken.
In the past men only clubs have been forbidden, for now women only businesses and places to start creeping around.
At this very moment universities in my country, instead of being beacons of educated free thinking and progress, are battlefields where censorship of ideas and even thoughts gain alarming ground. Even common words are micromanaged and potentially reason for public shaming. Debates, instead of welcoming different ideas end up with attempts to stop the participation of some intellectuals just bacause they don't fit the PC norm.
The use of traditional expressions tend to create a lynching mob instead of an education action.
This politically correct movement, where every opinion is extremist, all black and white, no shades of grey, no tolerance, of lynching mobs and inquisition is starting to fracture society.
The result is the alarming growing popularity of conservative and authoritarian politicians, like Trump, Orban, Le Pen, Salvini, Bolsonaro, just to name a few recent ones.
You may think I'm overreacting, but watch the world, the timeline of this politically correct movement and connect the dots. So, sorry for not taking some things lightly.
What you say is extremely almost frightfully true!! just see the schitzophrenic reaction of a sentence I used which is a harmless saying! expression! all of a sudden a specific person thought I broke the rules of Metoo, political-correctness, the Koran, the bible, every religion under the sun!.." manic-panic"behaviour!
No point trying to explain anything sensible to these 6 people involved, they are lefty/lib and to them micro-stock is just a way of fraternizing with each other, score " likes" and talk behind peoples backs! most likes must be the most intelligent philosophy!...Yes its pityfull! they are a sad bunch!
Soon they will contact their friends and ask them to join in as well as always!..
Best thing we can do is just to leave this thread and not stoop to their level of ignorance and bewilderness. They are very confused!
The only one to mention their "friends" is you......
How can you react like this over a veil, Burka, Hijab etc, etc! its laughable! and I bet you wouldn't wear one if it came to it. All mouth thats all, just mouth!
Where have I said anything about Burkas?
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To be honest I thought the comment about a women's only section was somewhat tongue in cheek :o. I think its interesting though that a post pointing out what probably 95% of members consider ill judged at best has created such a vitriolic argument.
In this day and age, regarding this issue nothing is to be taken as tongue in cheek. In my country there are women claiming to have transports just for them. A measure that several countries have already taken.
In the past men only clubs have been forbidden, for now women only businesses and places to start creeping around.
At this very moment universities in my country, instead of being beacons of educated free thinking and progress, are battlefields where censorship of ideas and even thoughts gain alarming ground. Even common words are micromanaged and potentially reason for public shaming. Debates, instead of welcoming different ideas end up with attempts to stop the participation of some intellectuals just bacause they don't fit the PC norm.
The use of traditional expressions tend to create a lynching mob instead of an education action.
This politically correct movement, where every opinion is extremist, all black and white, no shades of grey, no tolerance, of lynching mobs and inquisition is starting to fracture society.
The result is the alarming growing popularity of conservative and authoritarian politicians, like Trump, Orban, Le Pen, Salvini, Bolsonaro, just to name a few recent ones.
You may think I'm overreacting, but watch the world, the timeline of this politically correct movement and connect the dots. So, sorry for not taking some things lightly.
What you say is extremely almost frightfully true!! just see the schitzophrenic reaction of a sentence I used which is a harmless saying! expression! all of a sudden a specific person thought I broke the rules of Metoo, political-correctness, the Koran, the bible, every religion under the sun!.." manic-panic"behaviour!
No point trying to explain anything sensible to these 6 people involved, they are lefty/lib and to them micro-stock is just a way of fraternizing with each other, score " likes" and talk behind peoples backs! most likes must be the most intelligent philosophy!...Yes its pityfull! they are a sad bunch!
Soon they will contact their friends and ask them to join in as well as always!..
Best thing we can do is just to leave this thread and not stoop to their level of ignorance and bewilderness. They are very confused!
The only one to mention their "friends" is you......
How can you react like this over a veil, Burka, Hijab etc, etc! its laughable! and I bet you wouldn't wear one if it came to it. All mouth thats all, just mouth!
Where have I said anything about Burkas?
Then why are you participating backing sexiest, racism remarks about a piece of clothing??
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NOW! back on topic shall we!....oh yes it was all about closing accounts wasnt it!
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To be honest I thought the comment about a women's only section was somewhat tongue in cheek :o. I think its interesting though that a post pointing out what probably 95% of members consider ill judged at best has created such a vitriolic argument.
In this day and age, regarding this issue nothing is to be taken as tongue in cheek. In my country there are women claiming to have transports just for them. A measure that several countries have already taken.
In the past men only clubs have been forbidden, for now women only businesses and places to start creeping around.
At this very moment universities in my country, instead of being beacons of educated free thinking and progress, are battlefields where censorship of ideas and even thoughts gain alarming ground. Even common words are micromanaged and potentially reason for public shaming. Debates, instead of welcoming different ideas end up with attempts to stop the participation of some intellectuals just bacause they don't fit the PC norm.
The use of traditional expressions tend to create a lynching mob instead of an education action.
This politically correct movement, where every opinion is extremist, all black and white, no shades of grey, no tolerance, of lynching mobs and inquisition is starting to fracture society.
The result is the alarming growing popularity of conservative and authoritarian politicians, like Trump, Orban, Le Pen, Salvini, Bolsonaro, just to name a few recent ones.
You may think I'm overreacting, but watch the world, the timeline of this politically correct movement and connect the dots. So, sorry for not taking some things lightly.
What you say is extremely almost frightfully true!! just see the schitzophrenic reaction of a sentence I used which is a harmless saying! expression! all of a sudden a specific person thought I broke the rules of Metoo, political-correctness, the Koran, the bible, every religion under the sun!.." manic-panic"behaviour!
No point trying to explain anything sensible to these 6 people involved, they are lefty/lib and to them micro-stock is just a way of fraternizing with each other, score " likes" and talk behind peoples backs! most likes must be the most intelligent philosophy!...Yes its pityfull! they are a sad bunch!
Soon they will contact their friends and ask them to join in as well as always!..
Best thing we can do is just to leave this thread and not stoop to their level of ignorance and bewilderness. They are very confused!
The only one to mention their "friends" is you......
How can you react like this over a veil, Burka, Hijab etc, etc! its laughable! and I bet you wouldn't wear one if it came to it. All mouth thats all, just mouth!
Where have I said anything about Burkas?
Then why are you participating backing sexiest, racism remarks about a piece of clothing??
I haven't said anything about that. I just supported the point that insults based on the female menstrual cycle are offensive to many and that your so called apology was nothing of the sort which you have amply demonstrated.
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To be honest I thought the comment about a women's only section was somewhat tongue in cheek :o. I think its interesting though that a post pointing out what probably 95% of members consider ill judged at best has created such a vitriolic argument.
In this day and age, regarding this issue nothing is to be taken as tongue in cheek. In my country there are women claiming to have transports just for them. A measure that several countries have already taken.
In the past men only clubs have been forbidden, for now women only businesses and places to start creeping around.
At this very moment universities in my country, instead of being beacons of educated free thinking and progress, are battlefields where censorship of ideas and even thoughts gain alarming ground. Even common words are micromanaged and potentially reason for public shaming. Debates, instead of welcoming different ideas end up with attempts to stop the participation of some intellectuals just bacause they don't fit the PC norm.
The use of traditional expressions tend to create a lynching mob instead of an education action.
This politically correct movement, where every opinion is extremist, all black and white, no shades of grey, no tolerance, of lynching mobs and inquisition is starting to fracture society.
The result is the alarming growing popularity of conservative and authoritarian politicians, like Trump, Orban, Le Pen, Salvini, Bolsonaro, just to name a few recent ones.
You may think I'm overreacting, but watch the world, the timeline of this politically correct movement and connect the dots. So, sorry for not taking some things lightly.
What you say is extremely almost frightfully true!! just see the schitzophrenic reaction of a sentence I used which is a harmless saying! expression! all of a sudden a specific person thought I broke the rules of Metoo, political-correctness, the Koran, the bible, every religion under the sun!.." manic-panic"behaviour!
No point trying to explain anything sensible to these 6 people involved, they are lefty/lib and to them micro-stock is just a way of fraternizing with each other, score " likes" and talk behind peoples backs! most likes must be the most intelligent philosophy!...Yes its pityfull! they are a sad bunch!
Soon they will contact their friends and ask them to join in as well as always!..
Best thing we can do is just to leave this thread and not stoop to their level of ignorance and bewilderness. They are very confused!
The only one to mention their "friends" is you......
How can you react like this over a veil, Burka, Hijab etc, etc! its laughable! and I bet you wouldn't wear one if it came to it. All mouth thats all, just mouth!
Where have I said anything about Burkas?
Then why are you participating backing sexiest, racism remarks about a piece of clothing??
I haven't said anything about that. I just supported the point that insults based on the female menstrual cycle are offensive to many and that your so called apology was nothing of the sort which you have amply demonstrated.
female menstrual cycle???????????? what ARE you waffling about?
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To be honest I thought the comment about a women's only section was somewhat tongue in cheek :o. I think its interesting though that a post pointing out what probably 95% of members consider ill judged at best has created such a vitriolic argument.
In this day and age, regarding this issue nothing is to be taken as tongue in cheek. In my country there are women claiming to have transports just for them. A measure that several countries have already taken.
In the past men only clubs have been forbidden, for now women only businesses and places to start creeping around.
At this very moment universities in my country, instead of being beacons of educated free thinking and progress, are battlefields where censorship of ideas and even thoughts gain alarming ground. Even common words are micromanaged and potentially reason for public shaming. Debates, instead of welcoming different ideas end up with attempts to stop the participation of some intellectuals just bacause they don't fit the PC norm.
The use of traditional expressions tend to create a lynching mob instead of an education action.
This politically correct movement, where every opinion is extremist, all black and white, no shades of grey, no tolerance, of lynching mobs and inquisition is starting to fracture society.
The result is the alarming growing popularity of conservative and authoritarian politicians, like Trump, Orban, Le Pen, Salvini, Bolsonaro, just to name a few recent ones.
You may think I'm overreacting, but watch the world, the timeline of this politically correct movement and connect the dots. So, sorry for not taking some things lightly.
What you say is extremely almost frightfully true!! just see the schitzophrenic reaction of a sentence I used which is a harmless saying! expression! all of a sudden a specific person thought I broke the rules of Metoo, political-correctness, the Koran, the bible, every religion under the sun!.." manic-panic"behaviour!
No point trying to explain anything sensible to these 6 people involved, they are lefty/lib and to them micro-stock is just a way of fraternizing with each other, score " likes" and talk behind peoples backs! most likes must be the most intelligent philosophy!...Yes its pityfull! they are a sad bunch!
Soon they will contact their friends and ask them to join in as well as always!..
Best thing we can do is just to leave this thread and not stoop to their level of ignorance and bewilderness. They are very confused!
The only one to mention their "friends" is you......
How can you react like this over a veil, Burka, Hijab etc, etc! its laughable! and I bet you wouldn't wear one if it came to it. All mouth thats all, just mouth!
Where have I said anything about Burkas?
Then why are you participating backing sexiest, racism remarks about a piece of clothing??
I haven't said anything about that. I just supported the point that insults based on the female menstrual cycle are offensive to many and that your so called apology was nothing of the sort which you have amply demonstrated.
female menstrual cycle???????????? what ARE you waffling about?
That was what your insult was about....
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There are many religious impositions, besides the veil or burka accepted as normal even in a free and laic society. Besides, many traditions and society norms originate from religious impositions.
Why would this piece of clothing be any different?
You don't get that I am against laws mandating burkas as much as I am against laws forbidding it!
France is no different than Saudi Arabia from this point of view. Both countries have oppressive laws forcing women to wear what the government considers OK.
This is my message for you: Let people wear what the want, let them be free to exercise their religion, tradition or fashion taste and stop imposing your beliefs on others.
I asked about babies because it was you who has extrapolated the notion of free will to minors. If you give me bad examples with minors, why stopping there and not extrapolating even further to babies? Get my point?
Simply because the burka is anti-human. It dehumanizes the women that use them since it makes them invisible as people. Plus, it denies their individuality by hiding their personal characteristics. They are no longer "Aliyha", "Amina" but just another female standing there.
It's simple to prove this by imagining if you could identify one woman wearing a burka that you've seen previously, after she changed to a different burka, side by side with others with similar stature and composition. I'm certain that you could not and that's because she has her individuality denied to everybody except the close family.
But the offense doesn't stop there. They wear those complete covers because the people who impose them consider women as a source of sin and temptation. So, to prevent them to "provoke" men they cover women.
Summing up, they consider men as animals incapable to control violent sexual impulses! So, we must be protected from the sight of women! ABSURD! Did you think men would get away?
The most shocking consequence of this way of thinking is when a woman of those cultures is raped by a man (or a whole battalion), she's the one considered guilty. After all, they are the ones who provoked and men are incapable of control. And as it's frequent in the news they may even be sentenced to the death penalty because they had sex outside marriage!!!
I call that a giant BS!!!
I understand your point about freedom. Believe me I understand. But freedom isn't an absolute value.
If freedom was an absolute value what would stop religions that advocate human sacrifice, cannibalism or sex with children to be practiced in any western world?
Am I right to think that you would not accept those practices in your country, am I right? So where do we draw the line? From what point do we consider something unacceptable? Do we stop at human sacrifice, or is treating women as things also unacceptable to us, despite being part of a culture or religion?
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There are many religious impositions, besides the veil or burka accepted as normal even in a free and laic society. Besides, many traditions and society norms originate from religious impositions.
Why would this piece of clothing be any different?
You don't get that I am against laws mandating burkas as much as I am against laws forbidding it!
France is no different than Saudi Arabia from this point of view. Both countries have oppressive laws forcing women to wear what the government considers OK.
This is my message for you: Let people wear what the want, let them be free to exercise their religion, tradition or fashion taste and stop imposing your beliefs on others.
I asked about babies because it was you who has extrapolated the notion of free will to minors. If you give me bad examples with minors, why stopping there and not extrapolating even further to babies? Get my point?
Simply because the burka is anti-human. It dehumanizes the women that use them since it makes them invisible as people. Plus, it denies their individuality by hiding their personal characteristics. They are no longer "Aliyha", "Amina" but just another female standing there.
It's simple to prove this by imagining if you could identify one woman wearing a burka that you've seen previously, after she changed to a different burka, side by side with others with similar stature and composition. I'm certain that you could not and that's because she has her individuality denied to everybody except the close family.
But the offense doesn't stop there. They wear those complete covers because the people who impose them consider women as a source of sin and temptation. So, to prevent them to "provoke" men they cover women.
Summing up, they consider men as animals incapable to control violent sexual impulses! So, we must be protected from the sight of women! ABSURD! Did you think men would get away?
The most shocking consequence of this way of thinking is when a woman of those cultures is raped by a man (or a whole battalion), she's the one considered guilty. After all, they are the ones who provoked and men are incapable of control. And as it's frequent in the news they may even be sentenced to the death penalty because they had sex outside marriage!!!
I call that a giant BS!!!
I understand your point about freedom. Believe me I understand. But freedom isn't an absolute value.
If freedom was an absolute value what would stop religions that advocate human sacrifice, cannibalism or sex with children to be practiced in any western world?
Am I right to think that you would not accept those practices in your country, am I right? So where do we draw the line? From what point do we consider something unacceptable? Do we stop at human sacrifice, or is treating women as things also unacceptable to us, despite being part of a culture or religion?
We draw the line somewhere where people are allowed to wear what they want, be it a burka, or a hoody with dark sunglasses, like many do even in your country, hiding their faces in public
I understand where you are coming from, but you also should understand that extrapolating your perception of that culture and reading it based on your own traditions, fighting against it like you do, is in fact very much against freedom and free will.
Not all women wearing burkas are oppressed, as you assume, putting a whole culture in a tiny box with a bad label on it.
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Show us your portfolio on other platforms. I think we may get a better idea of why you've been suspended.
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designer093, I can't find your images in the archives. How many did you have up? What name were you using? Even if your account was removed, the thumbnails should show up in the wayback.
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Never mind, I found it.
The problem is that you are NOT Christopher Campbell.
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Never mind, I found it.
The problem is that you are NOT Christopher Campbell.
Plus ++100++
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Haha
Busted
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In the several years that I've been on this site I've seen my share of folks claiming they were victims only to be taken away in hand cuffs by our awesome member investigations! Our words to the guilty -- "You're TERMINATED"
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My GOD! what has become of you all here?? 5-6 years back this forum was full of people that could give and take an argument, Bickering or something wrongly said, NOW look at you!! just look!..bunch of supersensitive twatts that is ready to jump on just anything!...makes me want to puke!...this is a stock-forum, not some Metoo gathering or Politically-correct garbage!
Since I wrote that comment I've had 6 of the old school on my mail telling me to just leave it and let these twatts whallop around in their own mess!...truth is you wouldnt last 5 minutes in the real world of creatives, no time for you!...go back to mummy and hang her in the skirt!....now do what you do BEST! talk sheit on my back when turned!...I have to go and vomit!....the man above MicroVet! liste to what he is saying!! and learn!
Maybe your 6 old school friends are right, just leave. But you stay to attack and insult us, calling names. Seems a leopard doesn't change its spots was spot on. You are amused trolling for attention that's the only reason you come here. You don't like when we get along and disagree respectfully.