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« on: November 30, 2014, 22:24 »
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SS change the photo search algorithm?

Two new things I found in the recent month:
1)   Most of the download from the elder photo.new upload very limited sales compared with before situation
2)   Even lately uploaded photo can be show in the top hot image in my portfolio. It is impossible in the past


« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2014, 03:40 »
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SS change the photo search algorithm?
2)   Even lately uploaded photo can be show in the top hot image in my portfolio. It is impossible in the past
What do you mean with "top hot image"? Most relevated images?  Most popular images? Sure, they change their search algorithm. But this issue is not really new and so do all agencies.

« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2014, 04:05 »
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They mean that even new images with no sales at all appear in the top of the "popular" search.

"Popular" is a bit of a joke in SS these days

« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2014, 05:48 »
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There was a change, but now it's reverted... at least in some searches.

And I know because I do weekly searches for my niche and Nov was completely random, now it's back to "normal".

« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2014, 13:51 »
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They're always tweaking it - I see my newer files are selling more, so figure that's good.

« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2014, 07:04 »
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My question is - where are my newest images? Few days ago I uploaded around 80 files and see only 17 of them in "new". Where's the rest of accepted batch? Searched next 10 pages and didn't find...

« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2014, 07:52 »
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My question is - where are my newest images? Few days ago I uploaded around 80 files and see only 17 of them in "new". Where's the rest of accepted batch? Searched next 10 pages and didn't find...

Same thing happening here at least last 2 weeks( when I noticed first time) , only 1/3 accepted of the last batch have showed up in my gallery and in searches.

Also in search there are many new images already there so when my images finally show up they are already buried.

 

« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2014, 08:28 »
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Same here. Looks like they split batches and queue show up

Uncle Pete

« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2014, 15:57 »
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Try refreshing your cache next time, and see what happens. Did you see the bug report for the French and Spanish versions, files not showing, but in the English version they are all there? (it was page ten and after, but who knows)

Same here. Looks like they split batches and queue show up

How very strange Lizard the OP says the new files are showing first on the artists - popular - page. I know mine do too. What search are your new images "already buried"? Or do you mean in a search of the keywords, with all other files of everyone else?

Or did you mean other new images are dropping you down so fast, that if you had anything on the first page, it was bumped before people could see them?

SS uses FIFO (first in first out) for reviews. That means, no one gets ahead and no one gets pushed to the back. If you are pages down before the servers sync. It means that many newer images got accepted for the same search, after yours.

Must be a popular search term if that many are flooding in at the same time as yours?

Also in search there are many new images already there so when my images finally show up they are already buried.

« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2014, 16:39 »
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I have images accepted yesterday morning - like 6 am eastern time - that still aren't visible in search either newest, most popular (very specific keywords) etc. or in my port. Others (submitted later) accepted at the same time are visible in both now. I presume that by the time they are indexed they will be at least somewhat buried.

update - one more just showed up, at least it is obscure enough that it will show up if ever searched for.

Uncle Pete

« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2014, 04:13 »
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Interesting since the reviews are by order of submission. Something happens after acceptance and is changing during indexing? That might be interesting to watch.

I'll assume you are using file numbers for the determination of what's submitted after yours, but appearing first. Also should be same file type, meaning there are four file types: photo, video, editorial and illustration. Those are not the same and have different review orders.


I have images accepted yesterday morning - like 6 am eastern time - that still aren't visible in search either newest, most popular (very specific keywords) etc. or in my port. Others (submitted later) accepted at the same time are visible in both now. I presume that by the time they are indexed they will be at least somewhat buried.

update - one more just showed up, at least it is obscure enough that it will show up if ever searched for.

« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2014, 10:46 »
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Interesting since the reviews are by order of submission. Something happens after acceptance and is changing during indexing? That might be interesting to watch.

I'll assume you are using file numbers for the determination of what's submitted after yours, but appearing first. Also should be same file type, meaning there are four file types: photo, video, editorial and illustration. Those are not the same and have different review orders.


I have images accepted yesterday morning - like 6 am eastern time - that still aren't visible in search either newest, most popular (very specific keywords) etc. or in my port. Others (submitted later) accepted at the same time are visible in both now. I presume that by the time they are indexed they will be at least somewhat buried.

update - one more just showed up, at least it is obscure enough that it will show up if ever searched for.

I think it was a glitch in indexing. I am basing this only on my own images (except for the ones doing the burying). The last 2 images that were missing are there this morning, but were not visible late last night. Images I submitted after them showed up in my port 2 full days before they did (all reviewed at the same time though). I have never seen this before, although I have seen periods of time where there was an extended delay in indexing.

« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2014, 10:51 »
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« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2014, 11:00 »
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Interesting since the reviews are by order of submission. Something happens after acceptance and is changing during indexing? That might be interesting to watch.

I'll assume you are using file numbers for the determination of what's submitted after yours, but appearing first. Also should be same file type, meaning there are four file types: photo, video, editorial and illustration. Those are not the same and have different review orders.


I have images accepted yesterday morning - like 6 am eastern time - that still aren't visible in search either newest, most popular (very specific keywords) etc. or in my port. Others (submitted later) accepted at the same time are visible in both now. I presume that by the time they are indexed they will be at least somewhat buried.

update - one more just showed up, at least it is obscure enough that it will show up if ever searched for.

I think it was a glitch in indexing. I am basing this only on my own images (except for the ones doing the burying). The last 2 images that were missing are there this morning, but were not visible late last night. Images I submitted after them showed up in my port 2 full days before they did (all reviewed at the same time though). I have never seen this before, although I have seen periods of time where there was an extended delay in indexing.

I have consistently had this issue with my uploads for at least 3 years. I do belive you are correct that it is an indexing glitch; a problem shutterstock has either been unable to solve or are unwilling to address.

As for SS claim of first in first out reviews, it is easy to see that shutterstocks claim is patently false by making a dozen upload tests. Upload one single image and then watch where that image number shows up in the new image page for its most important keywords.
« Last Edit: December 04, 2014, 11:02 by gbalex »

« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2014, 11:13 »
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Don'T know it that's relate, but today it's the first day I have no download with SS !!! Usually have 10-15 download, at least 5-6 at this time of the day

« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2014, 11:26 »
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Try refreshing your cache next time, and see what happens. Did you see the bug report for the French and Spanish versions, files not showing, but in the English version they are all there? (it was page ten and after, but who knows)

Same here. Looks like they split batches and queue show up

How very strange Lizard the OP says the new files are showing first on the artists - popular - page. I know mine do too. What search are your new images "already buried"? Or do you mean in a search of the keywords, with all other files of everyone else?

Or did you mean other new images are dropping you down so fast, that if you had anything on the first page, it was bumped before people could see them?

SS uses FIFO (first in first out) for reviews. That means, no one gets ahead and no one gets pushed to the back. If you are pages down before the servers sync. It means that many newer images got accepted for the same search, after yours.

Must be a popular search term if that many are flooding in at the same time as yours?

Also in search there are many new images already there so when my images finally show up they are already buried.

Yes under keywords search sorted by new...

Normally that majority of images that were not showing in my gallery didn't show in searches also...

Even more interesting part is that those from that batch that did show in gallery also came out in the keyword search, but they were not showing under some keywords and combination of few that I included in tags while on sme other keywords or combination of few they showed up normally.
 
I checked about 20 pages or so and not a trace from them while on page 11 were already images with newer serial number than mine.

Really I wasnt paying attention for long time but last large 2 batches were acting strange.

 

« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2014, 11:32 »
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Don'T know it that's relate, but today it's the first day I have no download with SS !!! Usually have 10-15 download, at least 5-6 at this time of the day

same here. When i click on your SS acoount link it is down. Perhaps an explanation for that.


« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2014, 11:50 »
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OMG  I don't know why !!! Got to fix this !

is this link work ? http://shutterstock.com/g/juliedeshaies 


thank you

« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2014, 11:51 »
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OMG  I don't know why !!! Got to fix this !

is this link work ? http://shutterstock.com/g/juliedeshaies 


thank you


It works

« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2014, 11:56 »
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OMG  I don't know why !!! Got to fix this !

is this link work ? http://shutterstock.com/g/juliedeshaies 


thank you


worked.

« Reply #20 on: December 04, 2014, 12:07 »
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OMG  I don't know why !!! Got to fix this !

is this link work ? http://shutterstock.com/g/juliedeshaies 


thank you


Yes that link works Julie but not the SS link at the bottom of your posts. Check that you have your User ID NUMBER in your forum profile here (not your UserNAME). It's a common mistake which a lot (including me) have made here. I once had a bad few minutes when someone emailed me to say my SS account had dissapeared :o
Some of the port links require the number and some your name!
Regards, David.

« Reply #21 on: December 04, 2014, 12:09 »
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Don'T know it that's relate, but today it's the first day I have no download with SS !!! Usually have 10-15 download, at least 5-6 at this time of the day


Your SS-Account seems to be unavailable, when I checked the attached SS-button in your posting.
Uuups - to late 8) ;D

Uncle Pete

« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2014, 12:37 »
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Wow this is a new bug, just like the new search algorithm? (humor alert) seems it's even older and been going on for 3-4 years, where the search change is only a couple years buggy.

Thanks for looking at the results and yes, it appears to be indexing. I suppose when one location is processed before another, there could be some jumping forward or out of order numbers.

Same for sales. Doesn't anyone else see the DLs appear in groups and batches, not one smooth stream, all day? Is that just me imagining that I see DLs on the map before the Earnings sometimes.

45 million images, servers around the world, updating the database, seems to be a fairly large project in my imagination. It's can't be "flip the switch" and done.  :)

Now someone type slower and explain the keywords search and how things are showing or not showing? I don't think I understand? This part, I don't understand: "Upload one single image and then watch where that image number shows up in the new image page for its most important keywords."

Most important keywords on the new image page?

ps I swear I looked at some of my keywords, in a search, "one pair" in particular because I've been adding them. I wasn't more than a few on page one, I did another search, clicked back and What The Heck, now I was all over the first page search.

I'm beginning to think searches relate, similar images to other searches. Maybe even artists. (or I need some better grade of Whiskey)  ;D Or maybe I clicked Undiscovered by accident?

Two word search I have 73 of the first page 100 spots when looking at "Popular" whatever that means. I'm 96 of 100 for "Undiscovered" same search.


http://submit.shutterstock.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=143629

Read the 2nd post from Vincent
« Last Edit: December 04, 2014, 12:41 by Uncle Pete »

« Reply #23 on: December 04, 2014, 18:18 »
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my sales disappeared today on SS, yesterday was low, today is worse, sales should be high at least to 17-18 december,  i fall on august levels this week, excpet tuesday was only normal.

Uncle Pete

« Reply #24 on: December 04, 2014, 19:43 »
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Just singing the good old Microstock Blues,
T-Bone Walker knew it was coming, a long time ago....

They call it stormy Monday,
Tuesday's just as bad,
Wednesday's worse,
Thursday, oh so sad.

Yes, the eagle flies on Friday, and Saturday I go out to play
Sunday I go to church, I get down on my knees and pray


my sales disappeared today on SS, yesterday was low, today is worse, sales should be high at least to 17-18 december,  i fall on august levels this week, excpet tuesday was only normal.


 

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