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« Reply #50 on: February 16, 2018, 15:41 »
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« Reply #51 on: February 16, 2018, 15:51 »
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namussi

« Reply #52 on: February 17, 2018, 02:10 »
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i read often the russian micro stock forum....a place with really thousand of contributor some earning probably more than all the daily contributor here together , and practically every contributor thinks that sales are practically 100% controlled by shutter stock. How couldn't be so clear? they are the only in stock market..they need to earn, they must have  steady grow.



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« Reply #53 on: February 17, 2018, 09:29 »
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i read often the russian micro stock forum....a place with really thousand of contributor some earning probably more than all the daily contributor here together , and practically every contributor thinks that sales are practically 100% controlled by shutter stock. How couldn't be so clear? they are the only in stock market..they need to earn, they must have  steady grow.



The paranoid groupthink legacy of communism.

Of course it must be, god forbid they might actually have a valid point  ::)

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« Reply #54 on: February 17, 2018, 09:47 »
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I should ask them to make my investments.

« Reply #55 on: February 17, 2018, 11:14 »
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There's no proof of a cap, no reason, nothing except a small group who thinks there's some conspiracy against them who can't stop writing about sales, complaining and blaming the agency for some trick. DUMC is right, they write the same over and over but never with any proof. Sure the search changes, it changes for all of us.
SS doesn't have an interest in any favorites let the buyers decide. That's why they take almost anything now, no standards just let the buyers decide. Some time ago people wanted that, less rejections, let the buyers decide. Now we have that and the same people complain about low standards.

Just can't win with complainers always finding something wrong, always blaming someone else or something else for what's just normal. If the site is broken, it's broke for all of us the same.

« Reply #56 on: February 18, 2018, 13:28 »
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There's no proof of a cap, no reason, nothing except a small group who thinks there's some conspiracy against them who can't stop writing about sales, complaining and blaming the agency for some trick. DUMC is right, they write the same over and over but never with any proof. Sure the search changes, it changes for all of us.
SS doesn't have an interest in any favorites let the buyers decide. That's why they take almost anything now, no standards just let the buyers decide. Some time ago people wanted that, less rejections, let the buyers decide. Now we have that and the same people complain about low standards.

Just can't win with complainers always finding something wrong, always blaming someone else or something else for what's just normal. If the site is broken, it's broke for all of us the same.


you cant see cause your level of sales is so tiny u cannot see...u dumb are amateur. who happy with 100 dollar month from stock photography. that's why is impossible to discuss with you.

you think 0,28 vs 0,36cent is not an argument?they accept anything just to sell file at ',26 cent. understand?

« Reply #57 on: February 18, 2018, 13:29 »
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Don't hate the Messenger, hate the message!




There's no proof of a cap, no reason, nothing except a small group who thinks there's some conspiracy against them who can't stop writing about sales, complaining and blaming the agency for some trick. DUMC is right, they write the same over and over but never with any proof. Sure the search changes, it changes for all of us.
SS doesn't have an interest in any favorites let the buyers decide. That's why they take almost anything now, no standards just let the buyers decide. Some time ago people wanted that, less rejections, let the buyers decide. Now we have that and the same people complain about low standards.

Just can't win with complainers always finding something wrong, always blaming someone else or something else for what's just normal. If the site is broken, it's broke for all of us the same.

u manage 10 k sales in 8 years maybe more...what  ai can discuss with yoU?
understand?

« Reply #58 on: February 18, 2018, 14:42 »
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Nah I just dislike the constant nasty beatchy comments from some quarters

« Reply #59 on: February 18, 2018, 20:23 »
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Nah I just dislike the constant nasty beatchy comments from some quarters

Then stop writing them?

« Reply #60 on: February 19, 2018, 00:34 »
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How accurate is SS reporting? Is it possible they don't report all sales?

« Reply #61 on: February 19, 2018, 00:55 »
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How accurate is SS reporting? Is it possible they don't report all sales?

Anything is possible but deliberately doing that would be an open-and-shut case of fraud and I doubt if the owners are so poor that they are willing to risk jail to snaffle our 38c commissions.
However, they did once credit me $10 for a referral from a year earlier that had been overlooked - so yes, they can miss things, but if they do then they pay up if they spot the mistake.

« Reply #62 on: February 19, 2018, 02:04 »
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Simon! No doubt agencies have cleared their strange behaviours with their legal-depts but there is still lots of "legit" skull duggery going on, lots of it. Every single thing they do is based on short term profit thinking.
Their survival is exclusivly based on new contributors with new ports constantly joining! still thinking in terms of a rich over night success.

I think possibly you and me and a few hundred other oldies are among the last ones still involved in micro-stock but if you want to go with a really great RM/RF agency, give me a PM and I tell you! :)

namussi

« Reply #63 on: February 19, 2018, 03:17 »
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There's no proof of a cap, no reason, nothing except a small group who thinks there's some conspiracy against them who can't stop writing about sales, complaining and blaming the agency for some trick. DUMC is right, they write the same over and over but never with any proof. Sure the search changes, it changes for all of us.
SS doesn't have an interest in any favorites let the buyers decide. That's why they take almost anything now, no standards just let the buyers decide. Some time ago people wanted that, less rejections, let the buyers decide. Now we have that and the same people complain about low standards.

Just can't win with complainers always finding something wrong, always blaming someone else or something else for what's just normal. If the site is broken, it's broke for all of us the same.


you cant see cause your level of sales is so tiny u cannot see...u dumb are amateur. who happy with 100 dollar month from stock photography. that's why is impossible to discuss with you.

you think 0,28 vs 0,36cent is not an argument?they accept anything just to sell file at ',26 cent. understand?

C'mon then.

Show us your graphs. Show us your spreadsheets. Show us your working.



« Reply #64 on: February 19, 2018, 07:33 »
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Don't hate the Messenger, hate the message!




There's no proof of a cap, no reason, nothing except a small group who thinks there's some conspiracy against them who can't stop writing about sales, complaining and blaming the agency for some trick. DUMC is right, they write the same over and over but never with any proof. Sure the search changes, it changes for all of us.
SS doesn't have an interest in any favorites let the buyers decide. That's why they take almost anything now, no standards just let the buyers decide. Some time ago people wanted that, less rejections, let the buyers decide. Now we have that and the same people complain about low standards.

Just can't win with complainers always finding something wrong, always blaming someone else or something else for what's just normal. If the site is broken, it's broke for all of us the same.


you cant see cause your level of sales is so tiny u cannot see...u dumb are amateur. who happy with 100 dollar month from stock photography. that's why is impossible to discuss with you.

you think 0,28 vs 0,36cent is not an argument?they accept anything just to sell file at ',26 cent. understand?

C'mon then.

Show us your graphs. Show us your spreadsheets. Show us your working.

i will not. u don't trust this? ok good for u....i keep my point ss cap and control through algorithm and internal policy the level of sales. if you don't believe it's ok.
strangely after 15 days of crap in february i had one big sales....i 'm sure the next 12 days of february will be good enough to reach my level of earning who i already know.

« Reply #65 on: February 19, 2018, 11:23 »
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u manage 10 k sales in 8 years maybe more...what  ai can discuss with yoU?
understand?

You know my sales? Can you link so I can see that data myself? How many years?

How many sales and files does someone have to have to write an opinion here, I'd like to know the rules that you and Michelle have now created. I didn't see them listed when I signed up for the forum. But your point is, I can't see caps because I don't make enough sales? Wait, maybe I'm one of those people who's stealing your front page spot because I'm so terrible and cheap.

Shelma1

« Reply #66 on: February 19, 2018, 11:41 »
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u manage 10 k sales in 8 years maybe more...what  ai can discuss with yoU?
understand?

You know my sales? Can you link so I can see that data myself? How many years?

How many sales and files does someone have to have to write an opinion here, I'd like to know the rules that you and Michelle have now created. I didn't see them listed when I signed up for the forum. But your point is, I can't see caps because I don't make enough sales? Wait, maybe I'm one of those people who's stealing your front page spot because I'm so terrible and cheap.

If you don't want everyone to know it took you 8 years to get 10K in sales, don't share that information. Anyone can read that and see you don't have all that many daily sales. And maybe don't claim that more successful microstockers must be wearing tinfoil hats when they have a lot more sales and can clearly see patterns you can't?

I'm guessing there are people here who make 10K a month, a few who make 10K a week. At those sales levels Shuttertock's machinations become a lot clearer, not only because you have enough sales to see drops that are statistically relevant, but also because you pay very careful attention to where your images are ranked, where your competitors are ranked, etc. And you can see that your images, along with those of your major competitors, are subject to the same algorithm changes.

Looking back, of course, I now understand that all those exciting instant sales I got as a newbie were because Shutterstock was pushing my lower-royalty-earning images up in the search.

So you benefit from the algorithms at first, and then you're punished by them as you get more successful. Sort of the exact opposite of what happens in the real world, where you get raises and promotions for doing a good job instead of getting demoted for it.


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« Reply #67 on: February 19, 2018, 13:30 »
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Sort of the exact opposite of what happens in the real world, where you get raises and promotions for doing a good job instead of getting demoted for it.

Although it would be exactly the same as what happens in the real world, if a company's budget for staff grew slightly every year, and the amount of employees grew considerably.

« Reply #68 on: February 19, 2018, 13:38 »
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u manage 10 k sales in 8 years maybe more...what  ai can discuss with yoU?
understand?

You know my sales? Can you link so I can see that data myself? How many years?

How many sales and files does someone have to have to write an opinion here, I'd like to know the rules that you and Michelle have now created. I didn't see them listed when I signed up for the forum. But your point is, I can't see caps because I don't make enough sales? Wait, maybe I'm one of those people who's stealing your front page spot because I'm so terrible and cheap.

If you don't want everyone to know it took you 8 years to get 10K in sales, don't share that information. Anyone can read that and see you don't have all that many daily sales. And maybe don't claim that more successful microstockers must be wearing tinfoil hats when they have a lot more sales and can clearly see patterns you can't?

I'm guessing there are people here who make 10K a month, a few who make 10K a week. At those sales levels Shuttertock's machinations become a lot clearer, not only because you have enough sales to see drops that are statistically relevant, but also because you pay very careful attention to where your images are ranked, where your competitors are ranked, etc. And you can see that your images, along with those of your major competitors, are subject to the same algorithm changes.

Looking back, of course, I now understand that all those exciting instant sales I got as a newbie were because Shutterstock was pushing my lower-royalty-earning images up in the search.

So you benefit from the algorithms at first, and then you're punished by them as you get more successful. Sort of the exact opposite of what happens in the real world, where you get raises and promotions for doing a good job instead of getting demoted for it.

Except you don't know my sales or who I am and you're just making this all up to support your impossible conspiracy theory. No one is being demoted for doing a good job, competition and volume of new are extreme, you did't think these good sales would last forever without a flood of competition coming in and taking away your business? Of course you thought that buying a house near an airport meant no airplanes and nothing would ever change there either?

When many of the people here started there were under 10 million photos on SS, maybe 4 million. Now there are 180 million and a million new a month. Did you ever consider that these new photos might also make sales, that many would be similar to yours, or did you expect a monopoly of some sort? Should your work be in front forever and nothing new gets seen? The limit is how many total sales SS or anyplace else can make a year and your percentage is dropping.

You need to consider that I lied about how long it took to reach $10,000 how many years, how many files, because of trolls and stalkers like you and Simon and others who want to use anything someone writes as a way to personally degrade and attack them. False information is a way to throw you off so you don't know anything about who I am, what I shoot or draw or what my actual sales are.

If there was capping, I'd see it. I also trust someone like farble that his sales are steady, but not unlimited or capped either, he just does very good work and there's only so much that one person can sell a month. I don't know how good steady sales can be a bad thing? Growing against the million new images every month is impossible. Staying level is a hard earned prize and deserves admiration in this business.

I love your logic though. I'm too stupid or don't make enough sales so I can't see the cap. It's not just me, you are insulting everyone else here with that kind of arrogant self centered reasoning. We're all inferior to your superior self image, that's why we can't see something that doesn't exist, like you do. We either agree with you or we're dumb and blind or don't make enough. Thanks for the enlightened information that shows your proof, which you have avoided. I can't prove something doesn't exist, that's impossible. So the point for you or someone else is prove it does.

Shelma1

« Reply #69 on: February 19, 2018, 13:53 »
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u manage 10 k sales in 8 years maybe more...what  ai can discuss with yoU?
understand?

You know my sales? Can you link so I can see that data myself? How many years?

How many sales and files does someone have to have to write an opinion here, I'd like to know the rules that you and Michelle have now created. I didn't see them listed when I signed up for the forum. But your point is, I can't see caps because I don't make enough sales? Wait, maybe I'm one of those people who's stealing your front page spot because I'm so terrible and cheap.

If you don't want everyone to know it took you 8 years to get 10K in sales, don't share that information. Anyone can read that and see you don't have all that many daily sales. And maybe don't claim that more successful microstockers must be wearing tinfoil hats when they have a lot more sales and can clearly see patterns you can't?

I'm guessing there are people here who make 10K a month, a few who make 10K a week. At those sales levels Shuttertock's machinations become a lot clearer, not only because you have enough sales to see drops that are statistically relevant, but also because you pay very careful attention to where your images are ranked, where your competitors are ranked, etc. And you can see that your images, along with those of your major competitors, are subject to the same algorithm changes.

Looking back, of course, I now understand that all those exciting instant sales I got as a newbie were because Shutterstock was pushing my lower-royalty-earning images up in the search.

So you benefit from the algorithms at first, and then you're punished by them as you get more successful. Sort of the exact opposite of what happens in the real world, where you get raises and promotions for doing a good job instead of getting demoted for it.

Except you don't know my sales or who I am and you're just making this all up to support your impossible conspiracy theory. No one is being demoted for doing a good job, competition and volume of new are extreme, you did't think these good sales would last forever without a flood of competition coming in and taking away your business? Of course you thought that buying a house near an airport meant no airplanes and nothing would ever change there either?

When many of the people here started there were under 10 million photos on SS, maybe 4 million. Now there are 180 million and a million new a month. Did you ever consider that these new photos might also make sales, that many would be similar to yours, or did you expect a monopoly of some sort? Should your work be in front forever and nothing new gets seen? The limit is how many total sales SS or anyplace else can make a year and your percentage is dropping.

You need to consider that I lied about how long it took to reach $10,000 how many years, how many files, because of trolls and stalkers like you and Simon and others who want to use anything someone writes as a way to personally degrade and attack them. False information is a way to throw you off so you don't know anything about who I am, what I shoot or draw or what my actual sales are.

If there was capping, I'd see it. I also trust someone like farble that his sales are steady, but not unlimited or capped either, he just does very good work and there's only so much that one person can sell a month. I don't know how good steady sales can be a bad thing? Growing against the million new images every month is impossible. Staying level is a hard earned prize and deserves admiration in this business.

I love your logic though. I'm too stupid or don't make enough sales so I can't see the cap. It's not just me, you are insulting everyone else here with that kind of arrogant self centered reasoning. We're all inferior to your superior self image, that's why we can't see something that doesn't exist, like you do. We either agree with you or we're dumb and blind or don't make enough. Thanks for the enlightened information that shows your proof, which you have avoided. I can't prove something doesn't exist, that's impossible. So the point for you or someone else is prove it does.

What a hilarious post. Trolls and stalkers? Holy moley. And you think other people are imagining things. Lol.

« Reply #70 on: February 19, 2018, 14:19 »
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Sort of the exact opposite of what happens in the real world, where you get raises and promotions for doing a good job instead of getting demoted for it.

Although it would be exactly the same as what happens in the real world, if a company's budget for staff grew slightly every year, and the amount of employees grew considerably.
I always wonder when people talk about "The Real World" in what way are SS not in the Real World? anyway we are not SS employees we are suppliers in SS world all they are interested in is maximising profit.

« Reply #71 on: February 19, 2018, 16:04 »
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u manage 10 k sales in 8 years maybe more...what  ai can discuss with yoU?
understand?

You know my sales? Can you link so I can see that data myself? How many years?

How many sales and files does someone have to have to write an opinion here, I'd like to know the rules that you and Michelle have now created. I didn't see them listed when I signed up for the forum. But your point is, I can't see caps because I don't make enough sales? Wait, maybe I'm one of those people who's stealing your front page spot because I'm so terrible and cheap.

If you don't want everyone to know it took you 8 years to get 10K in sales, don't share that information. Anyone can read that and see you don't have all that many daily sales. And maybe don't claim that more successful microstockers must be wearing tinfoil hats when they have a lot more sales and can clearly see patterns you can't?

I'm guessing there are people here who make 10K a month, a few who make 10K a week. At those sales levels Shuttertock's machinations become a lot clearer, not only because you have enough sales to see drops that are statistically relevant, but also because you pay very careful attention to where your images are ranked, where your competitors are ranked, etc. And you can see that your images, along with those of your major competitors, are subject to the same algorithm changes.

Looking back, of course, I now understand that all those exciting instant sales I got as a newbie were because Shutterstock was pushing my lower-royalty-earning images up in the search.

So you benefit from the algorithms at first, and then you're punished by them as you get more successful. Sort of the exact opposite of what happens in the real world, where you get raises and promotions for doing a good job instead of getting demoted for it.

Except you don't know my sales or who I am and you're just making this all up to support your impossible conspiracy theory. No one is being demoted for doing a good job, competition and volume of new are extreme, you did't think these good sales would last forever without a flood of competition coming in and taking away your business? Of course you thought that buying a house near an airport meant no airplanes and nothing would ever change there either?

When many of the people here started there were under 10 million photos on SS, maybe 4 million. Now there are 180 million and a million new a month. Did you ever consider that these new photos might also make sales, that many would be similar to yours, or did you expect a monopoly of some sort? Should your work be in front forever and nothing new gets seen? The limit is how many total sales SS or anyplace else can make a year and your percentage is dropping.

You need to consider that I lied about how long it took to reach $10,000 how many years, how many files, because of trolls and stalkers like you and Simon and others who want to use anything someone writes as a way to personally degrade and attack them. False information is a way to throw you off so you don't know anything about who I am, what I shoot or draw or what my actual sales are.

If there was capping, I'd see it. I also trust someone like farble that his sales are steady, but not unlimited or capped either, he just does very good work and there's only so much that one person can sell a month. I don't know how good steady sales can be a bad thing? Growing against the million new images every month is impossible. Staying level is a hard earned prize and deserves admiration in this business.

I love your logic though. I'm too stupid or don't make enough sales so I can't see the cap. It's not just me, you are insulting everyone else here with that kind of arrogant self centered reasoning. We're all inferior to your superior self image, that's why we can't see something that doesn't exist, like you do. We either agree with you or we're dumb and blind or don't make enough. Thanks for the enlightened information that shows your proof, which you have avoided. I can't prove something doesn't exist, that's impossible. So the point for you or someone else is prove it does.

What a hilarious post. Trolls and stalkers? Holy moley. And you think other people are imagining things. Lol.

You have posted before you know who I am, posted the country I live many times and also the city. You say you know my sales and note how long it took me to reach $10,000, and you looked at my account on SS, but you aren't making notes or following me?

Why won't you answer? Everyone here can see that you want to make personal attacks on me instead of answering any questions or what I write. You do that when you can't answer. Why are you following me? I didn't imagine the things you have posted about me because you wanted to say you know who I am. I'd call that stalking.

Shelma1

« Reply #72 on: February 19, 2018, 17:50 »
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You have posted before you know who I am, posted the country I live many times and also the city. You say you know my sales and note how long it took me to reach $10,000, and you looked at my account on SS, but you aren't making notes or following me?

Why won't you answer? Everyone here can see that you want to make personal attacks on me instead of answering any questions or what I write. You do that when you can't answer. Why are you following me? I didn't imagine the things you have posted about me because you wanted to say you know who I am. I'd call that stalking.

All the stuff I know about you I know because you posted it here. You said you were from Canada, you posted links to your blog, you announced you recently made a new earnings level at SS after years there.

How the heck else would I know anything about you? I'm not a magician or a mind reader. "Following you." Lolol.

« Reply #73 on: February 19, 2018, 19:24 »
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You have posted before you know who I am, posted the country I live many times and also the city. You say you know my sales and note how long it took me to reach $10,000, and you looked at my account on SS, but you aren't making notes or following me?

Why won't you answer? Everyone here can see that you want to make personal attacks on me instead of answering any questions or what I write. You do that when you can't answer. Why are you following me? I didn't imagine the things you have posted about me because you wanted to say you know who I am. I'd call that stalking.

All the stuff I know about you I know because you posted it here. You said you were from Canada, you posted links to your blog, you announced you recently made a new earnings level at SS after years there.

How the heck else would I know anything about you? I'm not a magician or a mind reader. "Following you." Lolol.

Let me make this easy. No I didn't post a blog, I don't have one. Stop trying to say you know who I am or that I can't be capped because I don't make enough. You are wrong. Stop saying where I live, including the city, as a way to say, I know who you are, because you are also wrong. But please keep saying that only upper level people are capped, it's good news for the rest of us who aren't. Reminder that when you criticize people for their work or levels, you are making fun of over half the people here, maybe 75%. But you're so vane you don't mind putting down all the new people and all of us not as wonderful as you.

Now you can go back to writing political hate messages and maybe keep busy with that. Or you can keep stalking me because you don't know what you are writing about and know nothing about who I am or my work. Please stop the obsession with my data or illustrations and video collection.

Shelma1

« Reply #74 on: February 19, 2018, 20:20 »
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Let me make this easy. No I didn't post a blog, I don't have one. Stop trying to say you know who I am or that I can't be capped because I don't make enough. You are wrong. Stop saying where I live, including the city, as a way to say, I know who you are, because you are also wrong. But please keep saying that only upper level people are capped, it's good news for the rest of us who aren't. Reminder that when you criticize people for their work or levels, you are making fun of over half the people here, maybe 75%. But you're so vane you don't mind putting down all the new people and all of us not as wonderful as you.

Now you can go back to writing political hate messages and maybe keep busy with that. Or you can keep stalking me because you don't know what you are writing about and know nothing about who I am or my work. Please stop the obsession with my data or illustrations and video collection.

I think you've officially lost it.


 

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