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« Reply #25 on: May 28, 2017, 22:22 »
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« Reply #26 on: May 28, 2017, 23:48 »
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ok, let me repeat myself, i never had zero sales on a weekend, on christmas day, on memorial day, on the 4th, or whatever day

so you can come up with all possible celebratory days, it still doesnt change the fact that that didnt hinder me before.

I'd be amazed if holidays didn't hinder your sales in the past. I usually only get about a quarter of the sales on a Saturday that I do on a Tuesday so I'm hindered, even if I don't drop completely to zero.

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« Reply #27 on: May 29, 2017, 00:09 »
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What everyone else said... but even if you've not had a zero sales day before, what was the next lowest sales day? One download, two, three? That's not exactly a massive jump from there to zero. Combine that with natural variance, the weekend, increased competition and the holidays... a zero sales day was bound to happen at some point.


« Reply #28 on: May 29, 2017, 01:03 »
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As came up on another thread ss's collection size increase is now outstripping growth in payments massively, by as much as 5 times by my calculations. And the difference is getting worse. Everyone should be looking at alternatives about now and a zero dl day would be a heck of a wake up call for me too.
Yes it has been said many times...think we are all at risk of a sudden swing due to an algorithm change.

I've said it many times, and I think it's obvious. Don't blame the algorithm for the search or some other conspiracy like blackout, capping or low price favorites.

140,265,339 royalty-free stock images / 1,225,157 new stock images added this week on the SS site.

Over 1 million new competing images a week. Over 140 Million competing images.

The market exposure for each of us is down, the competition is up and the entire collection size has changed. All other factors staying the same, except we can't possibly stay up with these numbers, sales will drop. It's not a mystery at all. Dilution and diversity.
I'm not really "blaming" it it just changes from time to time winners and losers but all SS are trying to do is maximize sales. If a customer would be equally happy with say one of 100 images why should we expect ours to be at the top? Not "fair" whoever "wins"

Justanotherphotographer

« Reply #29 on: May 29, 2017, 01:29 »
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I am guessing from the op's reaction and the fact that he hasn't had a zero download day in many years that he's not talking about usually having 1 or 2 dls on a holiday or weekend and now has zero but has gone from 50 odd on a really bad day to zero.

Chichikov

« Reply #30 on: May 29, 2017, 01:48 »
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I have sold 7 photos of the same series during the night (Sunday to Monday, but as Sunday sales).
SEVEN!!
Never happened before, even during a working week day

« Reply #31 on: May 29, 2017, 01:53 »
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Sundays tend to be slow

i said saturday, sundays are someone else's saturday or monday, so they are better than saturdays. saturday is the slowest day of the week for me
I agree that there are too many new contents so it is normal that  sales with decrease. Besides so many new contents confuse perpective buyers as they have to scroll among a huge amount pics that maybe the best pics are hidden somewhere in the deep hole of the digital pics produced daily.

« Reply #32 on: May 29, 2017, 02:24 »
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baldrick, space, of course i see a slow down in the weekend, like everyone else, and of course a zero day was bound to happen with the current state of the market and ss policies. so we're back to the op, time to evaluate.


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« Reply #33 on: May 29, 2017, 09:13 »
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you need work hard to meet those goals once you reached easily.
personally i doubled  my portfolio and analizyning earnings i discovered that in reality i had a 25% more earning in 2017 compared to 2016.
in my opinion to double earning u reach at least 3 4 times images with good quality and content.
different you need to hit the jackpot with a bunch of images who top teach in popular category.
those who make money todays have 100000 images.

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« Reply #34 on: May 29, 2017, 09:26 »
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those who make money todays have 100000 images.

I'm only 4% there... :o

« Reply #35 on: May 29, 2017, 10:03 »
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those who make money todays have 100000 images.

I'm only 4% there... :o

If you do a proper accounting of costs in terms of time spent shooting, processing and uploading and take account of the cost of equipment I doubt if anybody really makes money any longer.
Say setting up, shooting, tweaking and keywording each image takes 20 minutes and reckon your time at say $240 a day.  You need to get a return of $10 on every image just to cover your time and effort. Lets say each microstock image makes on average $2 per year, you're waiting five years to get paid (assumes sales don't go any further down the drain).... and then you need to deduct the interest that you might have made in five years if you were in a job that paid on time.
The only way to justify it nowadays is to regard it as a hobby and write-off all the time and effort as something you enjoyed doing, so all the money is a bonus on top of your real job.
Which is how it all began in the first place.

« Reply #36 on: May 29, 2017, 10:12 »
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those who make money todays have 100000 images.

I'm only 4% there... :o

If you do a proper accounting of costs in terms of time spent shooting, processing and uploading and take account of the cost of equipment I doubt if anybody really makes money any longer.
Say setting up, shooting, tweaking and keywording each image takes 20 minutes and reckon your time at say $240 a day.  You need to get a return of $10 on every image just to cover your time and effort. Lets say each microstock image makes on average $2 per year, you're waiting five years to get paid (assumes sales don't go any further down the drain).... and then you need to deduct the interest that you might have made in five years if you were in a job that paid on time.
The only way to justify it nowadays is to regard it as a hobby and write-off all the time and effort as something you enjoyed doing, so all the money is a bonus on top of your real job.
Which is how it all began in the first place.
yep you are right in a way the "professionals" kidnapped it  from the amateurs with the inevitable result. I make a bit as an add on but you would have to be seriously good and hard working to make a decent living I think.

« Reply #37 on: May 29, 2017, 12:49 »
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Today looks like it will be the 9th zero day this month! The rare event is now the norm.

« Reply #38 on: May 30, 2017, 05:26 »
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and we still seem to be closed today - Tuesday.
Post Bank Hol UK, post Memorial Day US.....
:(

« Reply #39 on: May 30, 2017, 06:13 »
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and we still seem to be closed today - Tuesday.
Post Bank Hol UK, post Memorial Day US.....
:(
I knew about the bank holiday in the UK, but did not know about memorial day.
That explains why I had a horrible day yesterday

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« Reply #40 on: May 30, 2017, 08:10 »
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I make decent enough money... enough to live on. I do videos which have a higher return, and I have some After Effects templates which sell pretty well, but I've got less than 500 items.

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« Reply #41 on: May 30, 2017, 08:13 »
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I make decent enough money... enough to live on. I do videos which have a higher return, and I have some After Effects templates which sell pretty well, but I've got less than 500 items.


most of people who complain are photographer , u are not, understand?
u have found a niche, when our niche end up u will earn what?
very simple.
we are talking mostly about photo and video, not rendering after effect etc.


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« Reply #42 on: May 30, 2017, 08:15 »
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I make decent enough money... enough to live on. I do videos which have a higher return, and I have some After Effects templates which sell pretty well, but I've got less than 500 items.

decent to live on..in vietnam...try leave in italy pay taxes and all with your earning...sure i can live good in gabon...what's the point.

SpaceStockFootage

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« Reply #43 on: May 30, 2017, 08:53 »
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I'm in Cambodia at the moment, their internet gets routed from Vietnam as far as I'm aware. Had trouble finding an average cost of living price for Italy, but if we go by the average monthly salary of 2083 Euros a month (minimum wage being 1381 Euros for a full time role), I should be just fine on my average income of around 2600 Euros after tax.

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« Reply #44 on: May 30, 2017, 08:56 »
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Lots of people have probably heard and read about the great sales at SS and jumped on the bandwagon only today its a slow kugelwagon. I mean just look at the place 120 million files hahaha! its a miracle anybody sell or upload any files at all. Joke!
You want to pop in to their own forum there are som Russian photographers there with small and large portfolios. Theyve never had it so good!  and thats where the lolly is going. Surprised??

BTW I havent uploaded one single file for three months now and my daily takings are nor up nor down. Uploading dont mean crap nowadays.
« Last Edit: May 30, 2017, 08:59 by derek »

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« Reply #45 on: May 30, 2017, 09:16 »
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Lots of people have probably heard and read about the great sales at SS and jumped on the bandwagon only today its a slow kugelwagon. I mean just look at the place 120 million files hahaha! its a miracle anybody sell or upload any files at all. Joke!
You want to pop in to their own forum there are som Russian photographers there with small and large portfolios. Theyve never had it so good!  and thats where the lolly is going. Surprised??

BTW I havent uploaded one single file for three months now and my daily takings are nor up nor down. Uploading dont mean crap nowadays.

today i had 15 down with 6 2,85 in row, good start...ahah

i'm shooting in eastern europe...as i said i produced good content who are online, we see if they sell, spending less than 400 dollar for 8 photoshooting, with studio rented fo 6 hours, props and make up in 3 shooting, more than 15 model shoot in 2 weeks, with 4 FTP with release , and 11 paid for a total of 25 hours at 8 dollar hour.
and you know many who shot with stock company in russia, said i pay good.
you think you can sustain this business in france or usa where a package of cigarette cost 7 euro, a and a model don't raise her ass from the sit for less than 150 dollar, and eastern europe is  really packed with photogenic beautifully model who are so good in front of camera you no need to do anything just click click click.

look in alamy for keyword like model,beautiful,sexy,lifestyle,.....most are from russia.

in addiction many big producing company are coming from russia. do you think they don't have any deal underwritten with ss or fotolia?
fool.

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« Reply #46 on: May 30, 2017, 09:20 »
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Lots of people have probably heard and read about the great sales at SS and jumped on the bandwagon only today its a slow kugelwagon. I mean just look at the place 120 million files hahaha! its a miracle anybody sell or upload any files at all. Joke!
You want to pop in to their own forum there are som Russian photographers there with small and large portfolios. Theyve never had it so good!  and thats where the lolly is going. Surprised??

BTW I havent uploaded one single file for three months now and my daily takings are nor up nor down. Uploading dont mean crap nowadays.
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i disagree. uploading is important. maybe not this month, but i see every month new files i upload 2 months ago begin selling.
in my opinion your tactic will only zero your earning in less than a year.
compared to may 2016 i'm 35 % more this month. if i didn't have that slow down from may 15 to may 25 i would have easily doubled the may 2016.
it's difficult but your view is useless. so stop contributing if you think is finished.

« Reply #47 on: May 30, 2017, 09:22 »
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I wonder what is going on, who is uploading all those millions of files... The trend is clear, earnings are shrinking, and yet people continue to produce stuff...
Flipping burgers must be more lucrative already for most, and as time goes by, all SS contributors will be better off spending their time flipping burgers than producing content.

The market growth is insignificant, and the image pool grows almost exponentially. What will happen later, when the value of an average file gets very close to zero?
Will most people stop to produce, will the collection growth slow down? Will freestock become the new microstock, or will macro make a comeback? Will the micros lack good fresh content, in let's say 3 years from now? Will SS eventually become a junkyard with a gazillion of gradients and low-value files that nobody buys or even no human eyes ever see?

For what it's worth, I stopped spending money to produce new content months ago. It just doesn't make sense anymore.
« Last Edit: May 30, 2017, 09:28 by LDV81 »

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« Reply #48 on: May 30, 2017, 09:27 »
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I wonder what is going on, who is uploading all those millions of files... The trend is clear, earnings are shrinking, and yet people continue to produce stuff...
Flipping burgers must be more lucrative already for most, and as time goes by, all SS contributors will be better off spending their time flipping burgers than producing content.

The market growth is insignificant, and the image pool grows exponentially. What will happen later, when the value of an average file gets very close to zero?
Will most people stop to produce, will the collection growth slow down? Will freestock become the new microstock, or will macro make a comeback? Will the micros lack good fresh content, in let's say 3 years from now?

For what it's worth, I stopped spending money to produce new content months ago. It just doesn't make sense anymore.

i told you,...you want understand?
in ukraine russia producing content is costless....minimum salary is 150 dollar now in ukraine....imagine earning even 400 dollar producing 1000 costless content....or some vector, or space footage.....for many people who live in this country is better earn 400 doing this than go office for less money. this has attracted thousand of contributor from russia thailand ukraine, belarus, including now there are literally hundred of big house producing content financed by man whit money who don't even have a camera but have sense of business.
russia is full of forum of micro stock.

unluck all those commercial block against russia didn't stop the overflowing of content from that country

jonbull

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« Reply #49 on: May 30, 2017, 09:31 »
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I wonder what is going on, who is uploading all those millions of files... The trend is clear, earnings are shrinking, and yet people continue to produce stuff...
Flipping burgers must be more lucrative already for most, and as time goes by, all SS contributors will be better off spending their time flipping burgers than producing content.

The market growth is insignificant, and the image pool grows exponentially. What will happen later, when the value of an average file gets very close to zero?
Will most people stop to produce, will the collection growth slow down? Will freestock become the new microstock, or will macro make a comeback? Will the micros lack good fresh content, in let's say 3 years from now? Will SS eventually become a junkyard with a gazillion of gradients and low-value files that nobody buys or even no human eyes ever see?

For what it's worth, I stopped spending money to produce new content months ago. It just doesn't make sense anymore.

1- they not care at all , they just need their account good...that's why favoring new contributor who don't reach monthly payout is good to create a better balance

2- there are enough hours of production now in asia and russia to sustain the growth of content....most of this i'm 100% sure have not written deal who favour them in the search engine...

3-indipendent contributor will suffer heavy loss

that's it.
if you have put all your hope in micro is difficult..

persoanlly micro account for 25% of my earning. photography has evolved since 2006..


 

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