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« Reply #25 on: June 10, 2015, 10:17 »
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If we get rid of it we will end up having to scroll through loads of '+1' posts.


« Reply #26 on: June 10, 2015, 10:41 »
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If we get rid of it we will end up having to scroll through loads of '+1' posts.

The primary value of the Heart icon/up arrow/Agree is keeping threads easier to digest. Huge quotes of a prior post with +1 added at the end happened a lot prior to the heart button and threads became unreadable after a few pages of that.

I don't like a lot of what Facebook has done with their interface but the like feature with the ability to see who liked a post is helpful. I'm assuming that's not possible with the current forum software.

I think the Disagree function causes more problems than the value it adds. The cumulative scoring also means that you can theoretically end up with posts that generated a ton of polarized likes/dislikes with just a +1 or a -1 when many people felt strongly for or against a point of view.

I'd vote for ditching the negative vote and keeping the positive one (and I thought the heart or up arrow were fine and less visually distracting than a word).

« Reply #27 on: June 10, 2015, 11:24 »
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I agree with getting rid of the downvote option.  Since its been in use the levels of hostility and defesiveness around here are much higher.   I like the upvote option, but downvotes just create a hostile atmosphere.

« Reply #28 on: June 10, 2015, 12:18 »
+6

I disagree with getting rid of the disagree button.

« Reply #29 on: June 10, 2015, 12:53 »
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I disagree with getting rid of the disagree button.

Me too.

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Since its been in use the levels of hostility and defesiveness around here are much higher.

I think there is a level of hostility whether there is a disagree button, dislike button, thumbs up or down, or not. Look at the forums on the agency's sites. I don't think they have buttons, and there is plenty of hostility there. The only thing that tampers that down is the moderators deleting posts.

It's kind of like the gun/owner debate. Do guns kill people or do people kill people? Does the disagree button cause the hostility, or are people just inherently hostile and if they don't have a disagree button, they will find something else to be hostile about?

But it will be a good experiment if Leaf gets rid of it to see if that magically turns everyone into a flower child.  :)

« Reply #30 on: June 10, 2015, 14:13 »
+1

It's kind of like the gun/owner debate. Do guns kill people or do people kill people? Does the disagree button cause the hostility, or are people just inherently hostile and if they don't have a disagree button, they will find something else to be hostile about?

But it will be a good experiment if Leaf gets rid of it to see if that magically turns everyone into a flower child.  :)

No, I remember before the disagree button and things were a lot less hostile around here, and a lot less people left the forums.  Conversations were more constructive. 

« Reply #31 on: June 10, 2015, 14:14 »
+1

It's kind of like the gun/owner debate. Do guns kill people or do people kill people? Does the disagree button cause the hostility, or are people just inherently hostile and if they don't have a disagree button, they will find something else to be hostile about?

But it will be a good experiment if Leaf gets rid of it to see if that magically turns everyone into a flower child.  :)

No, I remember before the disagree button and things were a lot less hostile around here, and a lot less people left the forums.  Conversations were more constructive.
That is true but I'm not totally convinced it was the hearts thing that did it, maybe accelerated it though.

« Reply #32 on: June 10, 2015, 15:19 »
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No, I remember before the disagree button and things were a lot less hostile around here, and a lot less people left the forums.  Conversations were more constructive.

Well, before the disagree button were the hearts and people had issues with those, which is when they went to agree/disagree. Before that, there were many hostilities. In fact, what I seem to recall is that that was one of the reasons why Leaf implemented the hearts in the first place, to cut down on the verbal hostilities, so that people could just agree/disagree or heart/no heart, instead of jumping into the fray. But I could be remembering wrong, that happens nowadays.  :)

I guess we will see what happens.
 

« Reply #33 on: June 10, 2015, 15:31 »
+5
Some MSG members never post any thread nor comment and only do + and - voting.
I suspect some even work for the agencies and they try to protect them of bad shout out.

I don't see much value in it, but whatever majority decides, I am ok.   :)

« Reply #34 on: June 10, 2015, 15:39 »
+1
I generally hit the agree if the person said something close to what my comment would have been or if I agree. I "disagree" a lot less, but usually it is when I think they made a wrong statement.

« Reply #35 on: June 10, 2015, 20:05 »
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I don't remember any problems with the hearts.  But maybe I'm not remembering right either.  I was not involved in the discussions back then so much.

« Reply #36 on: June 11, 2015, 00:56 »
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Ok - well perhaps it's time to give it a try.

So... back to the 'hearts' or the +'s
Nothing is permanent.. and the icon is still open to critique.  Stats are all kept the same, it is simply a forum setting as to what shows or what is possible to vote on a given post.

« Reply #37 on: June 11, 2015, 02:52 »
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it seems many people take more offense to the agree / disagree buttons than intended.  People get worked up for getting a single -

The point of it was to simply give a reader an idea of how popular / unpopular an idea was... if most people agreed or disagreed.  Sometimes someone can make a comment and it looks just as valid as every other comment until you see how many people actually agree or disagree with it.

That said - how things are supposed to work and how they work in practice are two different things.  The disagree button seems to be spreading more hate than it is help.  Perhaps that button should be done away while keeping the agree button.

Sorry Leaf but some people will start whining because no one Agreed with their post now you dispensed with the disagree button.

I'd say stop pandering to these overtly sensitive little flowers it's a forum and forums are meant to allow for discussion and in this none democratic age any  form of disagreement is instantly decried, boo'd down or censored by  a vocal minority of hair splitters  ;D

« Last Edit: June 11, 2015, 03:11 by Teddy the Cat »

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« Reply #38 on: June 11, 2015, 03:22 »
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You called people a c*nt when they gave you some  criticism. Speaking of sensitive little  flowers.

« Reply #39 on: June 11, 2015, 03:23 »
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You can disagree with a statement but I dont see how you can disagree with a fact.

To use Cathy's example, if someone said I had a good day on SS, how can I disagree with that? That person had a good day, what is there to disagree with? If they said today was a good day on SS I could disagree. I guess its down to semantics.

Anyway, the disagreements in this thread just dont make sense at all. How does one agree with a question? Or someone expressing their feeling?
http://www.microstockgroup.com/alamy-com/payment-25200/msg421311/?topicseen#msg421311

How does this make sense: What time does the train leave tomorrow? I disagree!


Sorry to drag this one back, but I just saw a comment in my local rag which remonded me. What a poster interpretes as a fact the reader may consider an opinion. I do see this often across forums (fora, what is the plural?) not necessarily here. So readers could have disagreed with whether what was presented as a fact is in fact a fact in their eyes.

This ties in woth the question asked of me earlier about self answering rhetorical questions - feel free to ask any question, rhetoricial or not. But please do not answer or imply an answer in my name.

« Reply #40 on: June 11, 2015, 03:30 »
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You called people a c*nt when they gave you some  criticism. Speaking of sensitive little  flowers.

Ron when people openly insult me on a forum for asking a simple question about payment then they are going to get a swipe and I don't recall calling anyone a c*nt

The other person on that discussion thought he was being a smart ass and throwing crappy insults then he'll get what for.

Same goes for anyone including you.

« Reply #41 on: June 11, 2015, 03:43 »
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Probably a Typo, Semmick put in an extra 'n'.

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« Reply #42 on: June 11, 2015, 03:52 »
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Teddy,  Google 'see you next Tuesday' . If you didn't know what that meant I'll take back my words.

« Reply #43 on: June 11, 2015, 03:54 »
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Teddy,  Google 'see you next Tuesday' . If you didn't know what that meant I'll take back my words.

Oh you mean that do you?  I was referring to the following day seeing as it was a monday when I asked the question sorry my poor english

« Reply #44 on: June 11, 2015, 04:09 »
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This forum sucks. I'm out of here.  >:(

« Reply #45 on: June 11, 2015, 04:10 »
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Ok I missed it, so I'm back now.  :D

« Reply #46 on: June 11, 2015, 04:13 »
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Wish I'd never started this thread all I wanted was for people to be nice to each other! Mind you people have been nailed to a cross for that! :o

« Reply #47 on: June 11, 2015, 04:28 »
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it seems many people take more offense to the agree / disagree buttons than intended.  People get worked up for getting a single -

The point of it was to simply give a reader an idea of how popular / unpopular an idea was... if most people agreed or disagreed.  Sometimes someone can make a comment and it looks just as valid as every other comment until you see how many people actually agree or disagree with it.

That said - how things are supposed to work and how they work in practice are two different things.  The disagree button seems to be spreading more hate than it is help.  Perhaps that button should be done away while keeping the agree button.


I could easily be wrong but I'd imagine most adults can quietly agree or disagree without the compulsion to vote. I also suspect that most of the +s and, especially the -s, come from folks with very entrenched positions and don't really reflect popularity / agreement across the membership.

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« Reply #48 on: June 11, 2015, 06:57 »
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The 'problem' with losing the downvote option is that you never know whether people silently disagree with you, or if your post is simply too uninteresting to vote on. So in that way, I'll sort of miss it.

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« Reply #49 on: June 11, 2015, 07:17 »
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The 'problem' with losing the downvote option is that you never know whether people silently disagree with you, or if your post is simply too uninteresting to vote on. So in that way, I'll sort of miss it.

20-20=0

This would probably be an extremely interesting post. Yet it would have 0 votes.

If your post is interesting people will vote it positively, and those that do not agree will reply stating that or vote positively in that reply. I think that you can get a more accurate feeling of the reaction of people this way.
« Last Edit: June 11, 2015, 09:28 by StockPhotosArt »


 

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