Blown off the forums

[PeteBax]

I have been blown off the forums at Shutterstock and had to resubmit 10 pictures why
because I asked for more security for our files? What I wanted is the photographers number to be part of the picture number. This is so we will know if our or others numbers are tampered with. I know most of you will think numbers cannot be changed but I think there are people out there with the skill to do it.
These are our files and we should get the best security possible for them off every site.
The answer is simple just add the photographers number to the file number we can all see
that our files are being looked after properly.
I know SS as already been scammed once because Jon told everyone at the time and stood the cost himself you would think this was a lesson to remember.
All the agencies are wide open to anyone who wants to change the numbers.
Pete

[sharpshot]

I have been blown off the forums at Shutterstock and had to resubmit 10 pictures why
because I asked for more security for our files?...

Or was it to do with you warning people that there was a worm affecting files on shutterstock?  There didn't seem to be much evidence to back your allegations.  It looked like a few people copying and pasting the wrong keywords.

[PeteBax]

So even if you are correct someone believing that the threat  of a worm existing and reporting that is justification for throwing someone off the forums. I don't know what country you are from but with that attitude to free speech my guess is American.
Sorry but being English this is the sort of thing we say in a democracy in fact millions have died for those rights.
Happy 2008
Pete Baxter

[rjmiz]

"...but with that attitude to free speech my guess is American."

Here's the real deal when it comes to posting in any forum, other than one you personally own.
Rule #1:  Life is not fair.
Rule #2: You can not change rule #1

Unfortunate as it may seem, when your posting in a forum that someone else actually owns,
there is NO FREE SPEECH. You are subject to the owner's (or moderator's) personally imposed rules.

SS Forums are  a privately owned and operated forum. This is despite the fact they are opened to
the general public. You have NO legal right's, and are subject to censorship at anytime, and for any reason.

Despite how much you may complain, cry, or bitch....You lose no matter what...sorry.

Best of luck,
The MIZ

[Peiling]

Listen to the advise given by MIZ....he really is one of the inhouse experts around here..

[PeteBax]

I did put a similar post on all the other major forums and most have sent letters saying thank you!
The only exception to this was SS I received a personnel rebuff from Jon.
Most have asked for me to send in all the facts. This I have done.

When we have international companies then we all expect this kind of behavior as normal
without any fear of reprisals.

 I have worked for three USA companies so I have experience of working for Americans
The first was Kelloggs who are an example to everyone in how to respect others.
The other two I won't name but I held very senior positions in both and found them to have little or no concern for anyone but the board.

I don't accept that because you have a forum this gives you the rights to impose your
own behavior and laws above the laws of the country you are based in nor dos the legal
system of that country.

I realize that this is early days for the internet too early for a world wide code of behavior
until we can achieve that, then we must accept the rule of law of our nations, or it will turn
into the wild west.

SS as all the rights bestowed upon it by congress and no more I believe that the founding
fathers of America led the world in freedom and free speech.
It know falls upon its children to bestow those ideals across the world by the use of the internet.

This example of American treatment of free speech is for others to judge.

Pete


 



 

[sharpshot]

So even if you are correct someone believing that the threat  of a worm existing and reporting that is justification for throwing someone off the forums. I don't know what country you are from but with that attitude to free speech my guess is American.
Sorry but being English this is the sort of thing we say in a democracy in fact millions have died for those rights.
Happy 2008
Pete Baxter

LOL, I am English.  I think they were justified in throwing you off their forum because they told you there was no problem but you continued to post about a worm infecting files on the site.  Didn't you have 5 warnings?  One post in the forums would have been enough.  It looked like scaremongering to me.

[PeteBax]

I had one warning and I am right about what I said this is not disputed by any other agency.
So put it in a nut shell  to be pedantic, If someone disagrees with your opinion then you silence them.  You make me ashamed to be English.
Pete

[sharpshot]

Come on Pete, this is BS, I haven't silenced anyone.  All I have done is disagree with you and state my opinion.  I will ignore you in the future though.  Life is to short for this nonsense.  Goodbye.

[lathspell]

I know most of you will think numbers cannot be changed but I think there are people out there with the skill to do it.

So instead of one number which (according to your theory) could be changed by any skilled people you asked for an additional number - which of course could also be changed? And that's what you call "more security"?

All the agencies are wide open to anyone who wants to change the numbers.

IMO your fixation on numbers, worms and viruses is pretty alarming - you might want to look for professional help ASAP ...

ROFL

[w7lwi]

SS as all the rights bestowed upon it by congress and no more I believe that the founding fathers of America led the world in freedom and free speech.
It know falls upon its children to bestow those ideals across the world by the use of the internet.

This example of American treatment of free speech is for others to judge.

Pete,

Freedom of speech is not bestowed on us by congress.  If anything, they are trying to curtail many of our freedoms by imposing federal control over many aspects of out lives.  No, freedom of speech, along with all of our other freedoms, is bestowed by the Constitution of the United States, the Bill of Rights (first ten amendments) and all subsequent amendments.  Congress can only pass laws based on the framework provided by that constitution.  

But more importantly, along with this freedom comes responsibility.  Yes we are free to say whatever we wish.  But we are not free to do it irresponsibly.  You can't yell "FIRE" in a crowded theater if there is no fire.  Remember the story of the boy who cried wolf.  Thought it was great fun until the people ignored him and the wolf ate him.  I don't mean to imply your concern was crying wolf.  You did a service by bringing it to everyone's attention.  But your responsibility ended there.  It was only in continuing, after SS acknowledged your warning, that you crossed the line into irresponsibility.  How SS responds to a warning is their responsibility, not yours.  By continuing, you were intruding on their authority.

You may disagree that  a privately owned forum can set its own rules, but that's also a part of freedom of speech.  They are free to set whatever rules they deem necessary to the successful operation of their forum, so long as they conform to generally accepted laws under which they must operate.  That includes restrictions on what type of speech may or may not be allowed on the forum.  Government agencies must strictly abide by the constitution and its interpretations, but private individuals and groups are under less restrictive limits.  That's where the laws set by congress come in.  This right has been affirmed by the U.S. Supreme Court on several occasions.

Lastly, it doesn't do you or anyone else any good to cast sweeping generalizations about "Americans" as you have been doing.  While true that some of us are less than perfect when it come to bigotry and intolerance, may I remind you of the circumstances that forced our forefathers to write and defend our constitution ... King George ... an Englishman.  Do I blame all Englishmen for this and think they are all cast from the same mold.  Of course not.  I have several English friends and have visited in their homes and traveled throughout the UK extensively.  A place and people of great culture and history.  So tone it down a bit.  If you want to make a point, fine.  But do it with reasoned thought and do it responsibly.  Everyone isn't going to agree with you and that's fine.  That's their right as much as it is yours to disagree with them.  Agree to disagree.  And do it in a civilized way.  The moment you start to get down and dirty, that's when you lose the argument, no matter how right you may be.

[dbvirago]

I sure get tired of reading about 'freedom of speach' every time somebody gets their feelings hurt. The first amendment has absolutely nothing to do with how internet forums are managed.

Above and beyond that, the bill of rights says nothing about 'freedom of speech', the phrase that is always tossed around in these discussions. What it says is that the government (and we're only talking the U.S. government) shall not abridge the freedom of speech. It doesn't say anyone can say anthing they * well please without consequences. It doesn't say private enterprise can make any rules they want regarding what they allow or don't allow said within their control.  I have posted a copy of the first amendment below. Anyone who doesn't like what I say here can respond in any way they see fit. The owners/moderators of this board can edit, delete, lock, or modify this thread or post any way they want to. I have no rights here.

and for the record, another phrase that is bandied about as if it exists is 'seperation of church and state.' It doesn't say that either.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

[sharply_done]

And now for

something completely different

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[Vonkara]

I like this grandmother

[RacePhoto]

This example of American treatment of free speech is for others to judge.

Pete
 

This is very simple, and you don't get it.

If you owned the forum, and someone stopped you from writing whatever you did, then that would be abridging your freedom of speech.

You don't own the forum or the server. Someone else does. They can choose what and who can post messages on their forums, and what content can be in those messages.

Does that help any?

You have no rights when someone else owns the website, any more than writing a letter to the editor of a newspaper and demanding that they publish it, under your freedom of speech.

Get it?

Making unsubstantiated claims, spreading rumors and accusations of censorship, on someones own website, about their company and services, and wondering why they remove you and your posts, is easy to understand for most people.

This is world wide, not just in America.

[chellyar]

And now for something completely different.

ROFL!!!! 

Sorry Peter, in this particular instance it would appear I'm laughing at you, but rest assured I laugh out loud at a lot of stuff on youtube.

As for the original subject of this thread, I assume we're talking about a remote scripting or variable insertion hack?    I would be very surprised if any of the larger stock sites had vulnerabilities in that area, it's web development 101.

But then again one of the major sites is running a very slack DNS setup which surprised me when I noticed it, and they continue to do so nearly 6 months after I pointed it out and one of their techs responded saying he would look into it.

Happy new year.

[a.k.a.-tom]

modified. never mind.

[Void]

I second that Tom!

[hatman12]

I third that Tom!

[anonymous]

I did put a similar post on all the other major forums and most have sent letters saying thank you!
The only exception to this was SS I received a personnel rebuff from Jon.
Most have asked for me to send in all the facts. This I have done.

When we have international companies then we all expect this kind of behavior as normal
without any fear of reprisals.

 I have worked for three USA companies so I have experience of working for Americans
The first was Kelloggs who are an example to everyone in how to respect others.
The other two I won't name but I held very senior positions in both and found them to have little or no concern for anyone but the board.

I don't accept that because you have a forum this gives you the rights to impose your
own behavior and laws above the laws of the country you are based in nor dos the legal
system of that country.

I realize that this is early days for the internet too early for a world wide code of behavior
until we can achieve that, then we must accept the rule of law of our nations, or it will turn
into the wild west.

SS as all the rights bestowed upon it by congress and no more I believe that the founding
fathers of America led the world in freedom and free speech.
It know falls upon its children to bestow those ideals across the world by the use of the internet.

This example of American treatment of free speech is for others to judge.

Pete


 



 

Wow...somebody a little touchy about some "tea-party" thing? As posted earlier, you're joining the rest of the kids on the playground and pi$$ed off a teacher. There are other micros you can deal with if you're unhappy with your treatment at SS (and you are not the first to get upset - but it does no good).

[ParisEye]

And now for something completely different.

Surprising, but I agree with this lady !

[a.k.a.-tom]

And now for something completely different.

off topic a bit

.......  I believe the next line was   
     " ...a naked man  playing the piano."

at least that's what it was when I sat in my living room watching episodes of Monty Python on me tele..... when I lived in Bedford, England 1971-72..
  Yeah, I was one of those bloody yanks...   "over paid, over sexed and.. over here"
  I loved England.  Made a lot of great friends there!! I've always wanted to go back... but for now, I satisfy myself with google earth... LOL =tom

[RacePhoto]

Of course everyone remembers Spam, and the Lumberjack song.

I think my favorite (which changes from minute to minute) is The Argument.

No wait the Cheese Shop (with no cheese). Could be the dead parrot?

I had the records for years before I saw the show in the US. I thought they were funny. I never knew it wasn't originally meant to be recorded humor, so I played them for friends, who assumed, maybe correctly, that I was a loony! 

Then there are the inside Brit jokes that take a study of history to understand.

Yours,
Leggy Mountbatten

[a.k.a.-tom]

That's true... a lot of it was contemporary political humor... probably even  lost on  many brits today as well.

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