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should MSG have an anonymous area ??

Yes
26 (42.6%)
No
35 (57.4%)

Total Members Voted: 53

Voting closed: July 22, 2014, 18:00

Author Topic: Does MSG need an anonymous area to speak without retribution ??  (Read 5626 times)

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« on: June 22, 2014, 18:00 »
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After the dollar photo club punishment to several members,  are you afraid the agencies are watching and you no longer speak freely? 


« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2014, 18:09 »
+3
It seems easier for people just to use anonymous pseudonyms if they want. That's what I did when I felt I needed it (the links next to my posts mean I am no longer anonymous).

« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2014, 19:31 »
-2
I don't think an anonymous area would help much, there there are member/contributors here who would gladly turn us over to the sites if given a chance. I have had several members here contact me on MSG asking for my identity. Luckily one of the most persistent is completely off track and has gone anonymous himself.

http://tinyurl.com/ncm9hr4

"I'm getting closer to the identity"

ethan

« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2014, 20:11 »
-2
I don't think an anonymous area would help much, there there are member/contributors here who would gladly turn us over to the sites if given a chance. I have had several members here contact me on MSG asking for my identity. Luckily one of the most persistent is completely off track and has gone anonymous himself.

http://tinyurl.com/ncm9hr4

"I'm getting closer to the identity"


I remember that post :)

I think that was one of my first ones.

The person in question did say they might consider coming back anonymous before their account was closed.

shudderstok

« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2014, 20:53 »
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i am 'shudderstok' for a reason. i can speak freely and be anonymous.

Goofy

« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2014, 21:02 »
+3
Maybe a chat room with a sign 'Gun Free Zone"  8)


« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2014, 06:48 »
0
I think it might be worth a try. A specific area where everyone is anonymous. And then we will see how many would use it. We wouldn't need to create a second anonymous account.

I don't know though, how difficult this would be for leaf to create.

But in light of recent events, this is a useful idea.

« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2014, 10:22 »
+3
No it wont, it will just deteriorate the forums further.

« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2014, 12:37 »
+3
I would have no interest in saying anything here anonymously. I like to have honest, open discussions with people, be they contributors or representatives of agencies.

I also wouldn't expect agency reps to take my comments/concerns/feedback as seriously if I were anonymous. If I expect to have a professional conversation with someone, I think all parties involved would expect to do it face-to-face, over the phone/Skype, or at the very least if it must be done online, without anonymity.

I also wouldn't say anything here that I wouldn't say to someone in-person. I think if you want to be anonymous just to say things you wouldn't ordinarily say, you might want to re-think what you're saying.

« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2014, 12:47 »
+5
The credibility of a post isn't just about the words; it's about the poster, and his or her history of making well reasoned arguments or going off into conspiracy-based rants with little basis in fact or logic.  Being able to ignore specific posters is my way of saying "You've said ridiculous things in the past, and I have no doubt you'll continue to do so; I'm done listening."  Create an area where I can't know who's speaking just guarantees that I'll avoid it.

admin edit: Took out a couple words that could be seen as insulting.
« Last Edit: June 23, 2014, 14:46 by leaf »

Beppe Grillo

« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2014, 12:58 »
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What means " have an anonymous area"?

How an area can be anonymous or not?

Ed

« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2014, 13:42 »
+2
As photographers, we take criticism from our agent (the people we pay to represent our images) every time an image is rejected.

The agents take criticism from the people that pay them via royalty commissions of up to 80% personally and there is backlash.

 :o

Seems to me, the problem isn't with the photographers here who are communicating openly and honestly - the problem is the agents we are paying.  Why the heck should we hide?  I say speak up - if an agent can't take criticism constructively, then that's their problem not ours.  The last time I checked, when I pay someone for a service, they work for me.  If I feel there is something they can do better, then I speak up about it.

« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2014, 18:10 »
+3
If you can't sign your name to it, then you probably shouldn't write it.

That's why the internet is so out of control nowadays. Anonymity tends to bring out the worst in people, allowing them to say things they would never say in public.

« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2014, 18:17 »
+5
If you can't sign your name to it, then you probably shouldn't write it.

That's why the internet is so out of control nowadays. Anonymity tends to bring out the worst in people, allowing them to say things they would never say in public.
It doesn't bring out the worst, not necessarily.

I would say it brings out their true nature. For some, that is the worst, for some it's not.

« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2014, 20:00 »
+1
What happened to Ethan?

shudderstok

« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2014, 22:24 »
+11
If you can't sign your name to it, then you probably shouldn't write it.

That's why the internet is so out of control nowadays. Anonymity tends to bring out the worst in people, allowing them to say things they would never say in public.

to a point you are absolutely correct, but not all of us are anonymous to bring out the worst in ourselves. i don't spend a lot of time on forums as such, but when it comes to social media where i promote myself i have no issues being known. in the case of this forum, i can speak openly about my agent without fear of having my contract terminated. the online world has a way to come back and haunt you and to think that the likes of GI, SS, et al are not monitoring these sites and looking for trouble makers is naive at best.
i wish i could be known to the community here to have debates, conversations etc. but sadly this goes beyond the community of contributors.
nobody i know would sit around the coffee machine at their office with their boss standing next to them and go on the way some known posters do here. to me that makes as much sense as playing roulette.
just ask sean about this and how being open and frank is working for him. fortunately he can now openly slam GI for the evil *insult removed* they are without retribution, but i can't, my lifeline still depends on them, and within the community i wish i could just be me, but knowing full well anything i say can come back to bite me professionally does not sit well with me.
« Last Edit: June 23, 2014, 23:29 by shudderstok »

« Reply #16 on: June 24, 2014, 02:38 »
+9
What happened to Ethan?

I removed a post of his which I felt was insulting / attacking another member.  I'm working hard at cleaning up the attitude on MSG, so I felt the post was unnecessary and not constructive to the conversation and just creates an environment of hostility.  I notified him of the removed post, he didn't like it and it looks like he left.





« Reply #17 on: June 24, 2014, 08:22 »
+3
What happened to Ethan?

I removed a post of his which I felt was insulting / attacking another member.  I'm working hard at cleaning up the attitude on MSG, so I felt the post was unnecessary and not constructive to the conversation and just creates an environment of hostility.  I notified him of the removed post, he didn't like it and it looks like he left.

Well, you sent me one but I don't find that a reason to leave MSG. I completely get your point. Just shows how emotional this business can get.

« Reply #18 on: June 24, 2014, 10:22 »
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And yet you left up the posts insulting anonymous members.  Which is what he was responding to in the first place. Sends a clear message does it not!

I expect the same posters who give me negative votes here, on every post I make, to follow in kind.

« Reply #19 on: June 24, 2014, 12:05 »
+6
And yet you left up the posts insulting anonymous members.  Which is what he was responding to in the first place. Sends a clear message does it not!

I expect the same posters who give me negative votes here, on every post I make, to follow in kind.

As they weren't directed at any one person in particular I felt they were discussing the subject of the thread as apposed to picking a fight or insulting someone specific.

« Reply #20 on: June 24, 2014, 14:37 »
-4
It is no wonder we are losing long time contributors. I too am growing weary of the sanctioned digs against anonymous members here on MSG. It is almost always the same people making them and giving out negative votes.

Valo

« Reply #21 on: June 24, 2014, 15:02 »
0
Is there a way to see who voted how on a comment? Or is the voting system anonymous by default?

Tryingmybest

  • Stand up for what is right
« Reply #22 on: June 24, 2014, 15:32 »
+4
Yes, I am wary about them hunting us down. History is full of cases where the serfs, workers, sharecroppers and other low-wage, hard-working people have sought equity with the lords and have been squashed. However, on this forum, we can be anonymous. So I voted no to the poll. I simply removed all links and information about myself because I have been more outspoken over the years. This month I will have been a microstock artist for four years. My income has grown tremendously and I want to keep it that way.

After the dollar photo club punishment to several members,  are you afraid the agencies are watching and you no longer speak freely?

« Reply #23 on: June 24, 2014, 16:22 »
+2
Is there a way to see who voted how on a comment? Or is the voting system anonymous by default?

I am on other forums that show which people voted down or up on a comment.  Maybe would help keep it civil if everyone could see how we vote.

« Reply #24 on: June 24, 2014, 16:40 »
+4
Is there a way to see who voted how on a comment? Or is the voting system anonymous by default?

I am on other forums that show which people voted down or up on a comment.  Maybe would help keep it civil if everyone could see how we vote.

It would also weed out those who vote to bully, as opposed to having a legitimate reason for disagreeing. The vote is supposed to mean agreement or disagreement, but some use it to gang up on others. Like all the negative votes gbalex gets just because he opens his mouth. Doesnt matter what he says, the "gang" is going to punish him. Same as a certain "gang" does to me here. It's a lot like high school and the cliques all over again.  ::)

The votes might actually mean something and be helpful if people had to take responsibility and explain why they are voting one way or another, instead of just allowing anonymous hate or love.


 

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