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Microstock Photography Forum - General => Site Related => Topic started by: old crow on June 22, 2014, 18:00
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After the dollar photo club punishment to several members, are you afraid the agencies are watching and you no longer speak freely?
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It seems easier for people just to use anonymous pseudonyms if they want. That's what I did when I felt I needed it (the links next to my posts mean I am no longer anonymous).
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I don't think an anonymous area would help much, there there are member/contributors here who would gladly turn us over to the sites if given a chance. I have had several members here contact me on MSG asking for my identity. Luckily one of the most persistent is completely off track and has gone anonymous himself.
http://tinyurl.com/ncm9hr4 (http://tinyurl.com/ncm9hr4)
"I'm getting closer to the identity"
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I don't think an anonymous area would help much, there there are member/contributors here who would gladly turn us over to the sites if given a chance. I have had several members here contact me on MSG asking for my identity. Luckily one of the most persistent is completely off track and has gone anonymous himself.
[url]http://tinyurl.com/ncm9hr4[/url] ([url]http://tinyurl.com/ncm9hr4[/url])
"I'm getting closer to the identity"
I remember that post :)
I think that was one of my first ones.
The person in question did say they might consider coming back anonymous before their account was closed.
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i am 'shudderstok' for a reason. i can speak freely and be anonymous.
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Maybe a chat room with a sign 'Gun Free Zone" 8)
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I think it might be worth a try. A specific area where everyone is anonymous. And then we will see how many would use it. We wouldn't need to create a second anonymous account.
I don't know though, how difficult this would be for leaf to create.
But in light of recent events, this is a useful idea.
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No it wont, it will just deteriorate the forums further.
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I would have no interest in saying anything here anonymously. I like to have honest, open discussions with people, be they contributors or representatives of agencies.
I also wouldn't expect agency reps to take my comments/concerns/feedback as seriously if I were anonymous. If I expect to have a professional conversation with someone, I think all parties involved would expect to do it face-to-face, over the phone/Skype, or at the very least if it must be done online, without anonymity.
I also wouldn't say anything here that I wouldn't say to someone in-person. I think if you want to be anonymous just to say things you wouldn't ordinarily say, you might want to re-think what you're saying.
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The credibility of a post isn't just about the words; it's about the poster, and his or her history of making well reasoned arguments or going off into conspiracy-based rants with little basis in fact or logic. Being able to ignore specific posters is my way of saying "You've said ridiculous things in the past, and I have no doubt you'll continue to do so; I'm done listening." Create an area where I can't know who's speaking just guarantees that I'll avoid it.
admin edit: Took out a couple words that could be seen as insulting.
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What means " have an anonymous area"?
How an area can be anonymous or not?
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As photographers, we take criticism from our agent (the people we pay to represent our images) every time an image is rejected.
The agents take criticism from the people that pay them via royalty commissions of up to 80% personally and there is backlash.
:o
Seems to me, the problem isn't with the photographers here who are communicating openly and honestly - the problem is the agents we are paying. Why the heck should we hide? I say speak up - if an agent can't take criticism constructively, then that's their problem not ours. The last time I checked, when I pay someone for a service, they work for me. If I feel there is something they can do better, then I speak up about it.
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If you can't sign your name to it, then you probably shouldn't write it.
That's why the internet is so out of control nowadays. Anonymity tends to bring out the worst in people, allowing them to say things they would never say in public.
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If you can't sign your name to it, then you probably shouldn't write it.
That's why the internet is so out of control nowadays. Anonymity tends to bring out the worst in people, allowing them to say things they would never say in public.
It doesn't bring out the worst, not necessarily.
I would say it brings out their true nature. For some, that is the worst, for some it's not.
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What happened to Ethan?
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If you can't sign your name to it, then you probably shouldn't write it.
That's why the internet is so out of control nowadays. Anonymity tends to bring out the worst in people, allowing them to say things they would never say in public.
to a point you are absolutely correct, but not all of us are anonymous to bring out the worst in ourselves. i don't spend a lot of time on forums as such, but when it comes to social media where i promote myself i have no issues being known. in the case of this forum, i can speak openly about my agent without fear of having my contract terminated. the online world has a way to come back and haunt you and to think that the likes of GI, SS, et al are not monitoring these sites and looking for trouble makers is naive at best.
i wish i could be known to the community here to have debates, conversations etc. but sadly this goes beyond the community of contributors.
nobody i know would sit around the coffee machine at their office with their boss standing next to them and go on the way some known posters do here. to me that makes as much sense as playing roulette.
just ask sean about this and how being open and frank is working for him. fortunately he can now openly slam GI for the evil *insult removed* they are without retribution, but i can't, my lifeline still depends on them, and within the community i wish i could just be me, but knowing full well anything i say can come back to bite me professionally does not sit well with me.
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What happened to Ethan?
I removed a post of his which I felt was insulting / attacking another member. I'm working hard at cleaning up the attitude on MSG, so I felt the post was unnecessary and not constructive to the conversation and just creates an environment of hostility. I notified him of the removed post, he didn't like it and it looks like he left.
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What happened to Ethan?
I removed a post of his which I felt was insulting / attacking another member. I'm working hard at cleaning up the attitude on MSG, so I felt the post was unnecessary and not constructive to the conversation and just creates an environment of hostility. I notified him of the removed post, he didn't like it and it looks like he left.
Well, you sent me one but I don't find that a reason to leave MSG. I completely get your point. Just shows how emotional this business can get.
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And yet you left up the posts insulting anonymous members. Which is what he was responding to in the first place. Sends a clear message does it not!
I expect the same posters who give me negative votes here, on every post I make, to follow in kind.
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And yet you left up the posts insulting anonymous members. Which is what he was responding to in the first place. Sends a clear message does it not!
I expect the same posters who give me negative votes here, on every post I make, to follow in kind.
As they weren't directed at any one person in particular I felt they were discussing the subject of the thread as apposed to picking a fight or insulting someone specific.
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It is no wonder we are losing long time contributors. I too am growing weary of the sanctioned digs against anonymous members here on MSG. It is almost always the same people making them and giving out negative votes.
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Is there a way to see who voted how on a comment? Or is the voting system anonymous by default?
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Yes, I am wary about them hunting us down. History is full of cases where the serfs, workers, sharecroppers and other low-wage, hard-working people have sought equity with the lords and have been squashed. However, on this forum, we can be anonymous. So I voted no to the poll. I simply removed all links and information about myself because I have been more outspoken over the years. This month I will have been a microstock artist for four years. My income has grown tremendously and I want to keep it that way.
After the dollar photo club punishment to several members, are you afraid the agencies are watching and you no longer speak freely?
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Is there a way to see who voted how on a comment? Or is the voting system anonymous by default?
I am on other forums that show which people voted down or up on a comment. Maybe would help keep it civil if everyone could see how we vote.
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Is there a way to see who voted how on a comment? Or is the voting system anonymous by default?
I am on other forums that show which people voted down or up on a comment. Maybe would help keep it civil if everyone could see how we vote.
It would also weed out those who vote to bully, as opposed to having a legitimate reason for disagreeing. The vote is supposed to mean agreement or disagreement, but some use it to gang up on others. Like all the negative votes gbalex gets just because he opens his mouth. Doesnt matter what he says, the "gang" is going to punish him. Same as a certain "gang" does to me here. It's a lot like high school and the cliques all over again. ::)
The votes might actually mean something and be helpful if people had to take responsibility and explain why they are voting one way or another, instead of just allowing anonymous hate or love.
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A garb of anonymity can reduce the strength of a post or message.
Being un-anonymous has the potential for backlash from an agency or two, those that can't handle or won't respond to a post that is directed at them.
On balance I prefer to be myself - won't hide behind anonymity because I would rather say my mind and handle any consequences than go the other way around. But to each his own. This must be an individual decision for each of us to make. However, being anonymous should not be considered a right to become willful and offensive to any others including any agencies - because that in the long run would diminish the impact of this forum. Anonymous or not we best serve ourselves in this forum by being forthright and direct, but within acceptable parameters of language and content.
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What a place with no login or IDs? If you mean private, anyone, especially an agency person can join, so there goes the privacy. How would you screen people for allowing anonymous, if they are unknown?
If you want to see how low down and nasty some people are, you might have asked, who's been turning in the anonymous people here? Perhaps someone who was a regular who knew people and was trusted with identities?
Just a theory of course. But not any more distant that assuming agencies would spend time finding people, just to close accounts.
I'm still for no anonymous accounts and let that be a way that self moderation will work. If you have a grudge against an agency, find somewhere less reputable and less interested in working and earnings. I'd be just fine if all the attacks and accusations towards agencies were gone. Someone start an anonymous forum and let this one be for intelligent conversations about some more like a prefessional business attitude.
Not an anonymous playground for personal attacks and libelous accusations towards agencies.
After the dollar photo club punishment to several members, are you afraid the agencies are watching and you no longer speak freely?
Is it several members now? How many?
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I don't know many yes men who strive for anonymity.
How would they gain corporate favor, if no one knows who they are?
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I'm still for no anonymous accounts and let that be a way that self moderation will work. If you have a grudge against an agency, find somewhere less reputable and less interested in working and earnings. I'd be just fine if all the attacks and accusations towards agencies were gone. Someone start an anonymous forum and let this one be for intelligent conversations about some more like a prefessional business attitude.
It's the quality and expression of an opinion which matters. Not whether a person is anonymous or not. Much of the spitefulness, ranting and negativity tends to be from people who are not anonymous.
Three things would improve the forum IMO:
1. Get rid of negative voting.
2. A word limit - to discourage random essays and to encourage better writing.
3. Limit the number of posts in order to encourage relevance.
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I agree on that.
especially "PPM"
"posts per minute"
there is a time/ quality relation.
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Has anyone been punished for being critical of a site as opposed to being engaged in activities against the site's commercial interests?
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Has anyone been punished for being critical of a site as opposed to being engaged in activities against the site's commercial interests?
How do you tell the difference? Some site might think anyone posting critical of them in a forum is "against the site's commercial interests".