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« on: October 18, 2017, 12:01 »
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Lightroom as we knew it is now Lightroom Classic. Lightroom 6.x will get new camera updates through the end of 2017 and then it's history. Photography plans are increasing in price if you need more than 20GB of online storage.

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Adobe page with plan options

If you do buy into the subscription plan, there's a apparently a $14.99 deal for the 1TB storage plan for a while (and realistically, 20GB is useless for anyone but a hobby photographer if you really do want to go with the new Lightroom Lite (they're not calling it that) )

Note that Adobe says that Lightroom Classic CC is still in active development, but my gut says the writing is on the wall for it as they have a new code base for the new Lightroom Lite

Some follow up articles about Lightroom*

Adobe's answers to LR announcement questions (comments invited)

Interview with Tom Hogarty on LR split and futures

Death by Subscription

What Just Happened to Lightroom? (On1 blog - they clearly have an interest as On1 Photo RAW, now in beta 2, is a competitor)

Adobe's Photography product manager on use of online photographs - presumably those stored by customers online plus those in Adobe Stock - to fuel Adobe Sensei features. Certainly gives Adobe a reason to want more content online for it to use for its own purposes, not just store for customer retrieval...

An older article - March 2017 - where Adobe's CTO talks about the role of data in developing Sensei. Data includes imagery plus features used by "pros" (not sure how they obtain or categorize users)
« Last Edit: October 24, 2017, 10:14 by Jo Ann Snover »


« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2017, 13:18 »
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They've been moving everything to the cloud so this shouldn't be a surprise. When standalone Photoshop disappeared Lightroom wasn't far behind.

The thing I'm most worried about moving forward is getting pushed into the cloud and then getting squeezed. They're reporting records profits as of right now. Eventually the cloud/subscription model will plateau which means they'll need to find ways of posting more record financial gains to make shareholders happy. That will absolutely come from raising prices. It's probably already baked into their plan. So that lovely $9.99 per month I'm paying for Lightroom/Photoshop will slowly become $10.99, then $12.99, then $15.99 then $19.99, and so on. Or they'll just decide to "sunset" the $9.99 plan. 

I'm already poking around at alternatives to Adobe. Hopefully by the time they start slowly raising the temperate to boil us frogs some decent options will be available.

« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2017, 13:45 »
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Here is the Petapixel link with demos of their new Luminosity/Color masking feature:

https://petapixel.com/2017/10/18/bye-bye-lightroom-hello-lightroom-cc-faster-lightroom-classic/

It is definitely interresting to have such option directly on RAW files.


« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2017, 14:04 »
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Here is the Petapixel link with demos of their new Luminosity/Color masking feature:

https://petapixel.com/2017/10/18/bye-bye-lightroom-hello-lightroom-cc-faster-lightroom-classic/

It is definitely interresting to have such option directly on RAW files.

Both of which are already in Capture One Pro, which is what I've switched to, as part of their local adjustment layers

« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2017, 14:27 »
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Here is the Petapixel link with demos of their new Luminosity/Color masking feature:

https://petapixel.com/2017/10/18/bye-bye-lightroom-hello-lightroom-cc-faster-lightroom-classic/

It is definitely interresting to have such option directly on RAW files.

Both of which are already in Capture One Pro, which is what I've switched to, as part of their local adjustment layers

Then I must say: Thank you C1Pro for driving up the progress with this feature!

Competition is great!

« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2017, 15:16 »
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Frankly I hate Lightroom. I wish I didn't have to pay for it in my subscription. I like to shoot tethered and it has cost me hours of wasted time and money trying to make that program work.
I don't like the way is stores and catalogs files I am content just using PS and Bridge.
As soon as they raise the price I'm out and will find something else that works for me.

« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2017, 16:29 »
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LR "Classic" will probably see little new development.  Any big new features will be in the subscription version.   Standalone LR is now a dead end.   I'm increasingly happy I switched to Capture One a couple of years ago.  IMHO, it's much superior.

« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2017, 16:59 »
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LR "Classic" will probably see little new development.  Any big new features will be in the subscription version.   Standalone LR is now a dead end.   I'm increasingly happy I switched to Capture One a couple of years ago.  IMHO, it's much superior.

IMHO, it can't be "much superior" :P but I respect your preference for C1, since we all built our workflows around a specific set of tools best suited for our needs.

Anyway, this announcement is actually very good news for LR users and I believe there is a good way forward with the current LR+PS combo.  ;)

« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2017, 18:21 »
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They won't hang on to Classic for too long and that will force every user to the cloud. You want to do a 1200 image 40mp raw time-lapse in LR you will have to upload those to the cloud. That means you will have to pay extra for storage to do that.  The cloud version doesn't work from your hard drive so you will now be faced with additional costs just to be able to edit your work.  Deal killer. If they end up dumping Classic, as I suspect they will, LR Time-lapse is in trouble.

I wen't to Jo Ann's Adobe link and I can't seem to even find a link to the Classic Lightroom.
« Last Edit: October 18, 2017, 18:36 by Mantis »

« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2017, 19:05 »
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Try Capture One Pro, Lightroom feels like a toy compared to it. Especially the user interface.
Capture one is has a much more professional feel, good functioning, and quite costumizable interface.

Of course there is no one perfect solution, there some little things that are better in Lightroom. And it it always takes lot of effort to get used to a new RAW development program, and sometimes you just end up with very different looking images than before

« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2017, 20:13 »
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"Classic" sounds just a bit patronizing, doesn't it?    Like it's just the thing for all us old fools who can't figure out this "cloud" stuff.  Maybe they'll make all the controls and fonts bigger, to accommodate our failing eyesight.

They might as well have called it "Lightroom for Losers" because that's how they'll treat it going forward.

« Last Edit: October 18, 2017, 20:22 by stockastic »

« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2017, 20:52 »
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"Classic" sounds just a bit patronizing, doesn't it?    Like it's just the thing for all us old fools who can't figure out this "cloud" stuff.  Maybe they'll make all the controls and fonts bigger, to accommodate our failing eyesight.

They might as well have called it "Lightroom for Losers" because that's how they'll treat it going forward.

 ???
It is amazing to see how a really useful improvement is treated with so much negativity!
All you say is just a bunch of malarkey.  ::)
Since when an improvement is the sign of an inexorable death?

I recommend you to do your homework first: go and listen to what Adobe has to say, before jumping to such ludicrous conclusions.

https://youtu.be/eMSNcM7C0UE

Let me transcribe some of it for you:

"....if two LR desktop apps may be seem confusing initially, there is a need for both cloud centric AND desktop centric photography workflows and Adobe is committed to developing LR Classic alongside with LR CC.
We know that many of our photographers are completely satisfied with their current LR Classic workflow. We understand the realities of high volume workflows, limited internet connectivity and workplace security requirements .... we know that some photographers will chose to stay with their LR Classic workflow. And that's fine. That's why LR Classic will remain a high priority and a high investment area for the team"



So I'll rather go with this very clear statement, instead of paying attention to naysayers who see doom and gloom everywhere, even when, objectively, there is only clear progress to be seen.

For what I know, C1 can very well go bankrupt before LR classic is phased out.
Anyway, when that time will come, we'll analyse and decide.
« Last Edit: October 18, 2017, 20:57 by Zero Talent »

« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2017, 05:11 »
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They won't hang on to Classic for too long and that will force every user to the cloud. You want to do a 1200 image 40mp raw time-lapse in LR you will have to upload those to the cloud. That means you will have to pay extra for storage to do that.  The cloud version doesn't work from your hard drive so you will now be faced with additional costs just to be able to edit your work.  Deal killer. If they end up dumping Classic, as I suspect they will, LR Time-lapse is in trouble.

I wen't to Jo Ann's Adobe link and I can't seem to even find a link to the Classic Lightroom.

As I have understood it will be officially distributed after the 28th.

« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2017, 06:22 »
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I'm still using PSD 6 and I guess LR 6 is as far as I'll go with that too.

Anyone switched from LR to Capture One?

« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2017, 06:39 »
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They won't hang on to Classic for too long and that will force every user to the cloud. You want to do a 1200 image 40mp raw time-lapse in LR you will have to upload those to the cloud. That means you will have to pay extra for storage to do that.  The cloud version doesn't work from your hard drive so you will now be faced with additional costs just to be able to edit your work.  Deal killer. If they end up dumping Classic, as I suspect they will, LR Time-lapse is in trouble.

I wen't to Jo Ann's Adobe link and I can't seem to even find a link to the Classic Lightroom.

As I have understood it will be officially distributed after the 28th.

I upgraded PS,  Bridge and LR Classic yesterday and tested the new luminosity/color masks.

Nice upgrade!

I had to re-install a few 3rd party plugins, but I'm happy to see that all of them are compatible with the new version.

I can also confirm LR is visibly faster.
« Last Edit: October 19, 2017, 06:45 by Zero Talent »

« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2017, 08:20 »
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They won't hang on to Classic for too long and that will force every user to the cloud. You want to do a 1200 image 40mp raw time-lapse in LR you will have to upload those to the cloud. That means you will have to pay extra for storage to do that.  The cloud version doesn't work from your hard drive so you will now be faced with additional costs just to be able to edit your work.  Deal killer. If they end up dumping Classic, as I suspect they will, LR Time-lapse is in trouble.

I wen't to Jo Ann's Adobe link and I can't seem to even find a link to the Classic Lightroom.

As I have understood it will be officially distributed after the 28th.

I upgraded PS,  Bridge and LR Classic yesterday and tested the new luminosity/color masks.

Nice upgrade!

I had to re-install a few 3rd party plugins, but I'm happy to see that all of them are compatible with the new version.

I can also confirm LR is visibly faster.

Oh yes, I see it in the Creative Cloud app. (Did not see it yesterday evening)

« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2017, 08:26 »
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They won't hang on to Classic for too long and that will force every user to the cloud. You want to do a 1200 image 40mp raw time-lapse in LR you will have to upload those to the cloud. That means you will have to pay extra for storage to do that.  The cloud version doesn't work from your hard drive so you will now be faced with additional costs just to be able to edit your work.  Deal killer. If they end up dumping Classic, as I suspect they will, LR Time-lapse is in trouble.

I wen't to Jo Ann's Adobe link and I can't seem to even find a link to the Classic Lightroom.

As I have understood it will be officially distributed after the 28th.

I upgraded PS,  Bridge and LR Classic yesterday and tested the new luminosity/color masks.

Nice upgrade!

I had to re-install a few 3rd party plugins, but I'm happy to see that all of them are compatible with the new version.

I can also confirm LR is visibly faster.

Oh yes, I see it in the Creative Cloud app. (Did not see it yesterday evening)

I installed the new version but told it to keep the old files (in the advanced tab).  Now, LR keeps telling me to update the software and when I go in to do that it tells me I am updated.  Only way now is to uninstall and reinstall.   

« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2017, 10:10 »
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I'm still using PSD 6 and I guess LR 6 is as far as I'll go with that too.

Anyone switched from LR to Capture One?


http://www.microstockgroup.com/software/capture-one-pro-vs-lightroom-plus-fuji-xt-2-raw-conversion

Yes. It's great software but some LR users may miss features - will depend on your activities in LR. As I am focused almost solely on developing images, I'm fine (I keyword in Photoshop for example), but you'd need to check your workflow. There's a lot of video how-to stuff on their YouTube channel:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJgJWICGMzzvXk2wIgqxVEQ

I do still use LR 6.x for my older RAW files (I have them cataloged going back to 2002) for the moment - for as long as I can keep LR 6.x running as my OS upgrades allow.

Anyone looking for Lightroom alternatives can also take a look at Luminar and Aurora from MacPhun. Not as full featured as Capture One Pro, but seems like a very approachable UI - I have the 14 day trials and will check them out just to see if they add anything I can use

http://www.digitalbristles.com/adobe-dropped-shoe-lightroom-subscription/
« Last Edit: October 20, 2017, 03:32 by Jo Ann Snover »

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« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2017, 13:57 »
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So Capture 1 Pro is $300 US if I understand correctly? That's 30 months worth of Lightroom/PS subscription all at once. Plus I'm sure in 30 months C1 will have upgrades that cost $$$. While I hate the idea of never ending payment subscriptions...$300 seems pretty steep!....Then there is always the possibility that C1 will go subscription only in the future.
« Last Edit: October 19, 2017, 14:23 by wds »

« Reply #19 on: October 19, 2017, 14:28 »
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Speaking about LR alternatives, has anyone tried ON1 Photo Raw?

Their approach to RAW processing looks interresting, their feature list is comprehensive and their permanent license is $120 (- expected black Friday discounts)

« Reply #20 on: October 19, 2017, 15:58 »
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Too bad Capture One doesn't support Fuji GFX or Hasselblad X1D or any other medium format except their own Phase One

« Reply #21 on: October 20, 2017, 03:53 »
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Not yet updated to the 'classic'. I just wonder, if they will make this obsolete and force you to work on the cloud, they will lose a good amount of customers around the world, and here is why:
I live in a city in northern Italy and I have one of the best Internet connections you can get for a reasonable non-corporate price, which is higher than what I pay for LR+PS subscription. I can upload up to 20 Mb/s. I'm sure in many places the situation is even worse.
I'm a sport photographer hiring other photographers for a few important events. In those cases I get over 1TB of images taken in a few days around Italy. It means I would need more than a week to upload at full speed the images to the cloud, before starting to work! Completely impossible to accept! I think I'm not the only one.

I've heard very good things about C1pro, and - even if I don't like many things about LR - I don't think I will ever be able to give up its amazing speed in working parallel batches on hundreds of similar files. How is this feature in C1pro?


« Reply #22 on: October 20, 2017, 06:38 »
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For those who are looking for a good DAM alternative to the C1 images management, there is Daminion standalone https://photography.tutsplus.com/tutorials/how-to-get-started-with-daminion-standalone--cms-27198
« Last Edit: October 20, 2017, 06:41 by Chichikov »

« Reply #23 on: October 21, 2017, 02:22 »
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Upgraded to LR6 last week, still using CS6, I just dont want to commit to monthly payments for cloud services. I dont like it one iota

« Reply #24 on: October 21, 2017, 08:32 »
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I have made the upgrade to Lightroom Classic.
I must say that I am not happy at all!
Adobe has made a very bad work this time: all is very very slow.

Not only me by the way: https://forums.adobe.com/message/9905229#9905229


 

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