Author Topic: Stockfresh Beginning Their Marketing Campaign? (Read 11556 times)

Microstock Posts · « **Reply #50 on:** April 27, 2011, 02:00 »

Quote from: lagereek on April 27, 2011, 01:56

Not kidding!! the old stockxpert??? I used to earn a hell of a lot with them! was my third best site, only IS and Shutterstock, toppled them and now with IS pretty much a gonner they should be doing really well.
They had one of the best crews and all.

ging to look into this.

haha where have u been lagereek?

Slovenian · « **Reply #51 on:** April 27, 2011, 04:01 »

Quote from: Xalanx on April 26, 2011, 18:22

My point of view about them at this moment, based on facts: I have $42 with them as all time earnings (which spans for quite a long time I must add) so they're basically a "no-earner" for me, with a portfolio of 4000+ images.

Everything else you wrote after that doesn't matter (and I didn't read on), this result is incredibly pathetic, I would never even bother with such a site. If it takes a single minute for a photo to be uploaded, keyworded etc it's 4000 hours, so I guess you can expect to earn 1c/h during a long period

. PATHETIC!

sharpshot · « **Reply #52 on:** April 27, 2011, 04:21 »

^^^I think it's pathetic when people expect too much from new sites. This happens all the time, a new site can't instantly attract buyers. We have to have some patience. Unfortunately it looks like most new sites get killed off by contributors expecting too much too soon instead of being sensible and giving them a lot of time to build their collection and attract buyers.

Slovenian · « **Reply #53 on:** April 27, 2011, 04:36 »

^^^^yeah right, I'd rather go out and shoot more, think about stock photography, plan shoots and retouch&keywords photos better. That will make a change. Earning 0,5% instead of 0.1% of what either IS or Shutterstock bring me is idiotic IMO. I did the same thing with Fotolia and Dreamstime, ULed 100+ photos on both sites at the same time as I did on IS and SS, and when I saw that they are constantly making just around 3% (each) of what Shutterstock brings me I started uploading there altogether. And NOTHING has changed in the last7 months, except that the percentage dropped to 1,5% compared to Shutterstock. They stayed the same, while Shutterstock earning doubled. with IS there was another story. It used to make just around 40% of what Shutterstock made me, but has now almost caught up. If the RC didn't happen it would surpass it.

I don't really care if those new sites don't make it. They're just taking a piece of the pie before they get shut down, meaning making me earn less. Sure, competition is also good for us, if there were no competition, say just IS and Shutterstock, we'd probably get 50% lower commissions. But OTOH if a site has a good concept, advertises a lot it will make it, and I hope it does happen, so I'll have a chance of earning more than on IS and Shutterstock, where a lot of old files sell best.

Slovenian · « **Reply #54 on:** April 27, 2011, 04:37 »

Quote from: Slovenian on April 27, 2011, 04:36

^^^^yeah right, I'd rather go out and shoot more, think about stock photography, plan shoots and retouch&keywords photos better. That will make a change. Earning 0,5% instead of 0.1% of what either IS or Shutterstock bring me is idiotic IMO. I did the same thing with Fotolia and Dreamstime, ULed 100+ photos on both sites at the same time as I did on IS and Shutterstock, and when I saw that they are constantly making just around 3% (each) of what Shutterstock brings me I started uploading there altogether. And NOTHING has changed in the last7 months, except that the percentage dropped to 1,5% compared to Shutterstock. They stayed the same, while Shutterstock's earnings doubled. With IS there was another story. It used to make just around 40% of what Shutterstock made me, but has now almost caught up. If the RC didn't happen it would surpass SS.

I don't really care if those new sites don't make it. They're just taking a piece of the pie before they get shut down, meaning making me earn less. Sure, competition is also good for us, if there were no competition, say just IS and Shutterstock, we'd probably get 50% lower commissions. But OTOH if a site has a good concept, content and advertises a lot it will make it, and I hope it does happen, so I'll have a chance of earning more than on IS and Shutterstock, where a lot of old files sell best.

Xalanx · « **Reply #55 on:** April 27, 2011, 05:10 »

Quote from: Slovenian on April 27, 2011, 04:01

Quote from: Xalanx on April 26, 2011, 18:22
My point of view about them at this moment, based on facts: I have $42 with them as all time earnings (which spans for quite a long time I must add) so they're basically a "no-earner" for me, with a portfolio of 4000+ images.

Everything else you wrote after that doesn't matter (and I didn't read on), this result is incredibly pathetic, I would never even bother with such a site. If it takes a single minute for a photo to be uploaded, keyworded etc it's 4000 hours, so I guess you can expect to earn 1c/h during a long period . PATHETIC!

So you keyword for every site in particular? That really is pathetic. For stockfresh what you do is drop files to ftp, batch assign MRs and send them to review, it all takes about 1 minute (except for the time of transfer). I don't get your point.

Slovenian · « **Reply #56 on:** April 27, 2011, 05:22 »

Quote from: Xalanx on April 27, 2011, 05:10

Quote from: Slovenian on April 27, 2011, 04:01
Quote from: Xalanx on April 26, 2011, 18:22
My point of view about them at this moment, based on facts: I have $42 with them as all time earnings (which spans for quite a long time I must add) so they're basically a "no-earner" for me, with a portfolio of 4000+ images.

Everything else you wrote after that doesn't matter (and I didn't read on), this result is incredibly pathetic, I would never even bother with such a site. If it takes a single minute for a photo to be uploaded, keyworded etc it's 4000 hours, so I guess you can expect to earn 1c/h during a long period . PATHETIC!

So you keyword for every site in particular? That really is pathetic. For stockfresh what you do is drop files to ftp, batch assign MRs and send them to review, it all takes about 1 minute (except for the time of transfer). I don't get your point.

So the tile, description etc fits perfectly in all the right boxes? I'm sorry my friend, but with the RPI of 1c you'll need an eternity to have the right to call anyone pathetic

lagereek · « **Reply #57 on:** April 27, 2011, 05:24 »

There is quite another aspect here then just the same old banal and naive money question. IS, has without doubt crashed for independants and in a years time, they wont even want to know independants.
So its also a matter of supporting new sites but ONLY if they are good and have the "know-how". I have joined 3 new sites in the last 2 months and already they are beginning to make up a large chunk of what is lost at IS and in my position, the 20-30% loss at IS, believe me thats quite a bit of lolly.

people shouldnt "lock" themselves with the question of money and earnings, its superficial and stops you from thinking straight.

Xalanx · « **Reply #58 on:** April 27, 2011, 05:27 »

Quote from: Slovenian on April 27, 2011, 05:22

Quote from: Xalanx on April 27, 2011, 05:10
Quote from: Slovenian on April 27, 2011, 04:01
Quote from: Xalanx on April 26, 2011, 18:22
My point of view about them at this moment, based on facts: I have $42 with them as all time earnings (which spans for quite a long time I must add) so they're basically a "no-earner" for me, with a portfolio of 4000+ images.

Everything else you wrote after that doesn't matter (and I didn't read on), this result is incredibly pathetic, I would never even bother with such a site. If it takes a single minute for a photo to be uploaded, keyworded etc it's 4000 hours, so I guess you can expect to earn 1c/h during a long period . PATHETIC!

So you keyword for every site in particular? That really is pathetic. For stockfresh what you do is drop files to ftp, batch assign MRs and send them to review, it all takes about 1 minute (except for the time of transfer). I don't get your point.

So the tile, description etc fits perfectly in all the right boxes? I'm sorry my friend, but with the RPI of 1c you'll need an eternity to have the right to call anyone pathetic

How long have you been at this? Or rather - have you heard of IPTC? And how do you know what my RPI is? FYI, I'm at $0.38 at Shutterstock. Do your homework.

Slovenian · « **Reply #59 on:** April 27, 2011, 05:33 »

Almost a year. It looks like long enough to not pull stupid stunts like that. AS I said been there&done that on Fotolia and Dreamstime, at least my RPI was almost 0.5$, which of course, is pathetic as well. Just around 50x less pathetic than submitting to SC.I have heard of IPTC. You told us ur RPI;) (when it comes to SC, that's what we were talking about)). If you're earning that much on Shutterstock, than I really can't understand the course of actions you take with lousy sites like SC (if everyone is making such, well beyond pathetic earnings).

Xalanx · « **Reply #60 on:** April 27, 2011, 05:39 »

Quote from: Slovenian on April 27, 2011, 05:33

Almost a year. It looks like long enough to not pull stupid stunts like that. AS I said been there&done that on Fotolia and Dreamstime, at least my RPI was almost 0.5$, which of course, is pathetic as well. Just around 50x less pathetic than submitting to SC.I have heard of IPTC. You told us ur RPI;). If you're earning that much on Shutterstock, than I really can't understand that course of actions you take with lousy sites like SC (if everyone is making such, well beyond pathetic earnings).

It's your choice of not having more than 2-3 outlets for your work, buddy. Everyone started small and you'll be surprised to what interesting numbers some second tier agencies can reach, if given time.
I decided to give SF a year to see how things are going. If there is no improvement I'll just stop uploading and that's all. You don't actually work anything.

Slovenian · « **Reply #61 on:** April 27, 2011, 05:45 »

You said long period in your (first?) post. So if you're not over a year there you should be soon and I doubt you'll get from 42$ to 4,2k (which would still be just around a dollar of RPI). However, I wish you luck mate;). I'll just sick to the top 2 for now, I really don't have the nerves or the time for more (I just tried Alamy, but it's too time consuming and doesn't look promising at all)

Xalanx · « **Reply #62 on:** April 27, 2011, 05:52 »

You're too young in this. Give time to Alamy and if your port is good you'll earn. It earns me several hundreds per month normally, the drawback is that they take a lot of time until they actually pay for each photo sold.
Best of luck.
Oh and I wouldn't pay too much attention to RPI. It's how much you get in fact, that's what matters.

Slovenian · « **Reply #63 on:** April 27, 2011, 06:06 »

OK just how much is that (alamy) compared to your top earners (SS and IS I presume)? I only have 31 images on sale so far on Alamy (ULed 40+ more which are not finished), but I get close to 100 views, but no zooms (which really are views). That kinda made me think, how long it's gonna take for the first sale and then for the first payout. And it really takes a lot of time to fill 3 fields of keywords, put them in correct order add parenthesis (which I didn't but probably should have) and the choose all the other stuff necessary (Licence type, releases etc). It's kind of hard to not give the advantage to SS and IS which really make money and are faster to process images (especially SS).

Xalanx · « **Reply #64 on:** April 27, 2011, 06:12 »

Not much, of course. SS uber alles, IS is not one of the greatest for me, I only have 400 files with them. But they do produce good income.
Views & zooms are as irrelevant as the BHZ game, in my experience. There are topics here about Alamy which uncover enough, I would say.

qwerty · « **Reply #65 on:** April 27, 2011, 06:14 »

Quote from: Slovenian on April 27, 2011, 04:01

Quote from: Xalanx on April 26, 2011, 18:22
My point of view about them at this moment, based on facts: I have $42 with them as all time earnings (which spans for quite a long time I must add) so they're basically a "no-earner" for me, with a portfolio of 4000+ images.

Everything else you wrote after that doesn't matter (and I didn't read on), this result is incredibly pathetic, I would never even bother with such a site. If it takes a single minute for a photo to be uploaded, keyworded etc it's 4000 hours, so I guess you can expect to earn 1c/h during a long period . PATHETIC!

umm I think your over reacting here. 1 minute per photo is 4000 minutes not 4000 hours. (which is about 67 hours worth.)
I think its not unreasonable to spend 10 minutes a day uploading you best sellers. (upload limit is around 25 per day)

Personally I'm supporting Stockfresh because they are at the moment paying a fair % royality and it very easy to upload.

Each to their own.

lisafx · « **Reply #66 on:** April 27, 2011, 11:28 »

Quote from: qwerty on April 27, 2011, 06:14

Personally I'm supporting Stockfresh because they are at the moment paying a fair % royality and it very easy to upload.

Each to their own.

Yeah, exactly. I am supporting Stockfresh. Others are free not to if that's their choice.

@ Slovenian, don't know why the need for name calling and insults? Nobody's forcing you to upload there, so what do you care if Xalanx or I or anybody else wants to?

peter_stockfresh · « **Reply #67 on:** April 27, 2011, 11:38 »

@Slovenian
Although it probably doesn't make sense to bother with all the smaller agencies, it definitely doesn't make sense to put all your eggs into one basket in the long run. Just a little tweak to the search engine on any of your preferred sites can make your earnings hit the floor if you're unlucky. It might be wise to have a plan B for tougher times and spend some time building portfolios elsewhere.

luissantos84 · « **Reply #68 on:** April 27, 2011, 11:47 »

why not contributing there? I only had 4 sales but it looks so nice online, everything is working and after all easy easy to build your portfolio there.. keep up the good work

microstockphoto.co.uk · « **Reply #69 on:** April 27, 2011, 12:20 »

There's no reason not to try, as long as:
- a site is reputable (i.e., it's a real site in a real place with real people behind it, which seem to know what they are doing);
- it's very easy to upload to (i.e., IPCT+FTP and nothing else to fill online);
- % is acceptable;

Stockfresh definitely meets these criteria.

Especially in the current situation when things are rapidly changing - often for the worse - at some of the major sites.

There's always time to abandon a site later if it turns out to be useless - but not before giving a decent amount of time

rubyroo · « **Reply #70 on:** April 27, 2011, 12:25 »

It's interesting to read here that StockXpert was the third best-selling site after SS and iStock for others. It was the same for me too.

With a proven track record like that, I feel it's well worth investing some faith and patience in a new venture by the same people.

lagereek · « **Reply #71 on:** April 27, 2011, 13:24 »

Exactly!! these guys have a proven track record which is a hell of a lot more then many of the others!

I signed up with them today! no fear! but not as chris42 but as lagereek and if I make a 10th as much as I did with Stockxpert, I will be more then happy.

suck on that one! best.

lthn · « **Reply #72 on:** April 27, 2011, 13:39 »

Also when was the last time you saw the owners of IS or SS f.e. talking directly to contributors here (or anywhere)?

Slovenian · « **Reply #73 on:** April 27, 2011, 14:50 »

Quote from: lisafx on April 27, 2011, 11:28

@ Slovenian, don't know why the need for name calling and insults? Nobody's forcing you to upload there, so what do you care if Xalanx or I or anybody else wants to?

Can you please point out where I was calling names? Because nothing like that happened

Slovenian · « **Reply #74 on:** April 27, 2011, 14:52 »

Quote from: peter_stockfresh on April 27, 2011, 11:38

@Slovenian
Although it probably doesn't make sense to bother with all the smaller agencies, it definitely doesn't make sense to put all your eggs into one basket in the long run. Just a little tweak to the search engine on any of your preferred sites can make your earnings hit the floor if you're unlucky. It might be wise to have a plan B for tougher times and spend some time building portfolios elsewhere.

I completely agree with you, that's what happened to some at IS. But I'm also submitting to SS and I'm just trying out Alamy. Will post to your site as soon as I hear some good news about earnings;)