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« on: June 16, 2011, 06:27 »
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Vectors for $1? Really?

I didn't even check their prices before sending my images as I knew stockxpert had a pretty good pricing scheme..

Now I will have to delete my first batch of 96 images that I just sent in because I can't give away my vectors for $1.. I will instead upload JPEG illustrations.. Luckily I found out about this before uploading my entire port. For some reason I trusted them, and didn't even need to check it..

How do you expect customers to download the XXL Jpeg when you give away the vector version for $1.. They need to be plain stupid to do that!

I don't even give them away for $1 on my own website where I pay no agency commissions. Also, that was a big reason why I keep staying away from vectorstock..


Microbius

« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2011, 06:31 »
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Oh dear, I hadn't noticed that. That's almost as bad as Vectorstock

« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2011, 06:33 »
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What ? Where do you see this ? For me it says 5 credits, also for new vectors (didn't it use to be 10 though?)
If this is really the case, I'll have to delete mine too. Not submitting to Vectorstock under that model, and the same would apply to all other agencies attempting to try the same

« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2011, 06:42 »
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What ? Where do you see this ? For me it says 5 credits, also for new vectors (didn't it use to be 10 though?)
If this is really the case, I'll have to delete mine too. Not submitting to Vectorstock under that model, and the same would apply to all other agencies attempting to try the same

Some are 5 and some less detailed ones are 1. Still, I don't agree with offering vectors for much less than the XXL Jpeg. How are you going to sell the $20 Jpeg when there is the $5 vector available.. Anyway I already deleted all the images and reuploading as JPEGs at the moment. Attempting to sell even a fraction of my port for $1 is a disgrace and solely for that reason I have deleted the whole port.

They will have to make do with Jpegs, as I have no vectors for $1.
« Last Edit: June 16, 2011, 06:46 by cidepix »

« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2011, 06:43 »
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I just saw some vectors at 10 credits as well, but have yet to see the $1 ones.
Are they trying to tier their vector contributors based on quality ?  ???

« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2011, 06:46 »
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What ? Where do you see this ? For me it says 5 credits, also for new vectors (didn't it use to be 10 though?)
If this is really the case, I'll have to delete mine too. Not submitting to Vectorstock under that model, and the same would apply to all other agencies attempting to try the same

Some are 5 and some less detailed ones are 1. Still, I don't agree with offering vectors for much less than the XXL Jpeg. How are you going to sell the $20 Jpeg when there is the $5 vector available.. Anyway I already deleted all the images and reuploading as JPEGs at the moment. Attempting to sell even a fraction of my port for $1 is a disgrace and solely for that reason I have deleted the whole port.

They will have to make to with Jpegs, as I have no vectors for $1.

Yes I agree. I think I'll go about it by finding my $1 vectors and replacing them with JPEGs. I'm fine with tiered pricing, but $1 is bad for everyone - and as you put it, a disgrace to contributors. $5 is in the low end as well.
I hope Stockfresh will come in here to explain

« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2011, 06:48 »
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I just saw some vectors at 10 credits as well, but have yet to see the $1 ones.
Are they trying to tier their vector contributors based on quality ?  ???

I had like %30 for $10,
%30 for $5
and %30 being offered for $1

That's enough for me to decide I don't want to give them my vectors

« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2011, 06:56 »
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$5 would sound ok if they didn't offer the XXL Jpeg version for $20.. Under their model, $10 is the only acceptable price for vectors.

Isn't it ridiculous that they value a vector at $1 but price the xxl jpeg version of it at $20? How ridiculous is this?

Would you pay $20 for the XXL jpeg while there is an option to get the vector for $5 or $1? By deleting vectors I am actually giving myself a chance to sell the $20 XXL sizes..

« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2011, 07:03 »
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It's not quite as bad as I thought. As opposed to Vectorstock, most vectors appear to be priced at $5 - $10. Didn't bother to go through all of mine, but I don't think I have any. Maybe they just haven't got to my port yet, but if some of them suddenly turns into $1 vectors I'll pull them. I think they should rather reject vectors if they don't think they'd have the potential to sell for $5-$10.

The worst part is, with this model in place, they're likely to realize that $1 vectors will (obviously) outsell $5/$10 vectors and push more and more vectors into this category. That's what Vectorstock has based its success on, isn't it ? Of course it's working now, but it's ruining the market and I wouldn't want Stockfresh to compete with Vectorstock on pricing

« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2011, 07:08 »
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$5 would sound ok if they didn't offer the XXL Jpeg version for $20.. Under their model, $10 is the only acceptable price for vectors.

Isn't it ridiculous that they value a vector at $1 but price the xxl jpeg version of it at $20? How ridiculous is this?

Would you pay $20 for the XXL jpeg while there is an option to get the vector for $5 or $1? By deleting vectors I am actually giving myself a chance to sell the $20 XXL sizes..

I agree. An editable vector file should NOT be less money than a jpg. That doesn't even make sense.

« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2011, 07:22 »
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Well I didn't bother to go through that trouble as well.. As soon as I saw some at $1 I deleted the whole port. I even deleted the $5 and $10 ones even though they are the majority of my port..

My point is vectors can't be offered for less than jpegs... How many $20 XXL size sales do you expect to get?
These vectors are NOT $5:
http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-illustration-14127267-zodiac-star-signs.php?st=aca6df1
http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-illustration-9290869-film-reels.php?st=f681069
http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-illustration-9320726-roulette-and-casino-elements.php?st=aca6df1
and even though it's not my best image, this is NOT $1: http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-illustration-6674366-healthy-lifestyle-female-version.php?st=f681069
 

It's not quite as bad as I thought. As opposed to Vectorstock, most vectors appear to be priced at $5 - $10. Didn't bother to go through all of mine, but I don't think I have any. Maybe they just haven't got to my port yet, but if some of them suddenly turns into $1 vectors I'll pull them. I think they should rather reject vectors if they don't think they'd have the potential to sell for $5-$10.
The worst part is, with this model in place, they're likely to realize that $1 vectors will (obviously) outsell $5/$10 vectors and push more and more vectors into this category. That's what Vectorstock has based its success on, isn't it ? Of course it's working now, but it's ruining the market and I wouldn't want Stockfresh to compete with Vectorstock on pricing
« Last Edit: June 16, 2011, 07:26 by cidepix »

« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2011, 07:30 »
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$5 would sound ok if they didn't offer the XXL Jpeg version for $20.. Under their model, $10 is the only acceptable price for vectors.

Isn't it ridiculous that they value a vector at $1 but price the xxl jpeg version of it at $20? How ridiculous is this?

Would you pay $20 for the XXL jpeg while there is an option to get the vector for $5 or $1? By deleting vectors I am actually giving myself a chance to sell the $20 XXL sizes..


I have always thought that was weird, but I'm putting up with it at Fotolia. In case of vectors being more expensive than XXL's, Stockfresh would have to price them at at least $20, and that seems a bit too much in this day and age.
I don't know what the solution to this would be, but I'd be happy to get my vectors back at the $10 price point. Fotolia has driven prices down to $4 worst case scenario, and that's bad enough.

My point is vectors can't be offered for less than jpegs... How many $20 XXL size sales do you expect to get?
These vectors are NOT $5: http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-illustration-14127267-zodiac-star-signs.php?st=f681069
http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-illustration-14127267-zodiac-star-signs.php?st=f681069
http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-illustration-14127267-zodiac-star-signs.php?st=f681069
and even though it's not my best image, this is NOT $1: http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-illustration-6674366-healthy-lifestyle-female-version.php?st=f681069


Absolutely not, and I find it odd they would put any of your images in that price category

helix7

« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2011, 08:09 »
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I never really looked at the breakdown of prices. Probably because I haven't seen any of my images get the $1 price tag. And $5 isn't so bad, but it's not what it should be. I don't see how the EPS file can be priced lower than a JPG when you can use an EPS to make a JPG as large as you want. All EPS files should be $10. Image complexity doesn't seem to be factored in for JPGs, so why does it matter for EPS files?

« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2011, 09:14 »
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Is anyone selling enough at Stockfresh to be up in arms over this? 

For me, Stockfresh is at the very bottom of the barrel in terms of my sales, and I don't actively upload there anymore.  For instance, my June total there (as of June 16) is $4.50 in sales at Stockfresh, while the other small players have done pretty well: Veer - $49.70, GL - $40.56, CanStockPhoto - $251.32, etc. 

Let's focus on the sites that matter.  Stockfresh appears dead in the water.

« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2011, 09:46 »
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After reading the topic, I thought: "Finally some positive news!". Boy was I wrong again...

« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2011, 09:55 »
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I couldn't find any $1 vectors in mine either. Most of them are $5. I would like to see the prices raised there a little bit though. They seem fairly low.

« Reply #16 on: June 16, 2011, 10:00 »
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Can we request repricing for images? Not much sales there, so I probably wouldn't bother. It would actually be nice to be able to request higher prices or be able to have price setting options.

« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2011, 10:24 »
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Can we request repricing for images? Not much sales there, so I probably wouldn't bother. It would actually be nice to be able to request higher prices or be able to have price setting options.

If that happened, I would reupload the vectors..

helix7

« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2011, 10:28 »
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I'd delete any image priced at $1. But at $5 the royalty is still better than what I get for most vector sales at istock. $2.50 beats the roughly $2.10 average I see over there.

Still seems odd to me that an EPS can be priced lower than the XL JPG.

« Reply #19 on: June 16, 2011, 11:13 »
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I'd delete any image priced at $1. But at $5 the royalty is still better than what I get for most vector sales at istock. $2.50 beats the roughly $2.10 average I see over there.

Still seems odd to me that an EPS can be priced lower than the XL JPG.

Well you are right about how much you get per vector sale..

But I prefer to sell the $20 XXL jpeg that will pay me $10, instead of selling the $5 vector to get $2.5

I believe that $5 vector option makes it near impossible to sell the $20 jpeg. A person who will buy that $20 jpeg while vector is available for $5, is plain dumb..

So the reason I am deleting the vectors is because I don't want to miss on the $20 XXL jpeg sales..

Noedelhap

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« Reply #20 on: July 20, 2011, 01:54 »
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I just noticed them and sent them an email. I do not expect to see the prices changed, so I'm going to delete my EPS files. What a idiotic way of pricing our work...

TheSmilingAssassin

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« Reply #21 on: July 20, 2011, 03:28 »
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Yeah the pricing is not right.  I noticed it up front and avoided uploading vectors.  I sent Peter an email.  I'll share it...


On May 24, 2011, at 10:46 AM, sunnymars wrote:

Hello Peter,
>
> I don't really understand your vector pricing and have been holding off from uploading vectors because of this (as have others).  Can you please explain to me how you come to the different prices.  What is the difference between "low" "medium" "high" and "super"?  Actually size in MPs?  Scaleable vectors can be scaled to any size so I cannot understand this pricing structure at all.  Are you referring to complexity?  Actual file size in MBs perhaps?  I've just done a search for "red carpet" where I normally get heaps of vectors at other agencies but here, there aren't many at all and I fear that others like me are not uploading vectors because they are usually sold for less than the XXL size jpeg. This doesn't make sense as the EPS or AI file or whatever, can be expanded to larger than the XXL size.
>
> Look forward to hearing a response from you.
>
> Thanks and regards,




Peter's response...

Stockfresh Support info@stockfresh.com to me
   
show details May 25
   
Hi,

Everything is explained in the upload guide:

Vector prices are based on the complexity of the file. Simple vectors cost 1 credit, while exceptionally high detail files can cost up to 20 credits. Vector price categories are assigned by our administrator team. We used to have the exact same system on Stockxpert.

Low detail              1 credit
Medium detail           5 credits
High detail             10 credits
Super high detail       20 credits

It doesn't matter that rasterized versions of vector files can cost more than the vector version. It might be strange at first but that's only because we have a completely different set of rules for vector and raster prices. Most agencies don't offer rasterized vector files, that's why you haven't noticed this before. By the way our vector prices are in line with industry standards so there's no reason for anyone not to upload.

You can also look at it this way: for those who don't know how to use Illustrator, the JPG version is very helpful. Those files are more convenient for them but they take up a lot more space on our hard drive, so they should pay more.

The reason why there aren't that many vectors yet is that we have around 780.000 pics while others have 10 million. We have a very small selection compared to most agencies.

Best regards,
Peter




I didn't bother replying back and arguing but it still doesn't make sense that the jpeg is sold for more than the vector.  It's nuts.  They're missing out on money as much as we are. 

« Reply #22 on: July 20, 2011, 03:44 »
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I could accept if the vector prices would be same as M sized jpgs. But they are often lower than S size. And I don't think that that S sized jpg needs two times more of hard disk space than vector.

« Reply #23 on: July 20, 2011, 05:04 »
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@pseudonymous

that's a ridiculous answer you got there :) really don't bother replying..

I can't believe he said it's the same as stockxpert  :D it is nothing like stockxpert..

at StockXpert all my vectors were $10.. it was acceptable to have higher priced jpegs.. here "those exactly the same vectors" which were priced at $10 were priced at $1.. of course I just couldn't accept that and deleted all 700 of them!

he can have sweet dreams with consoling himself that it is about having less images.. In my case, he has 700 less vectors just because of extremely ridiculous pricing.. I don't understand why some people just can't take positive feedback the right way!

TheSmilingAssassin

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« Reply #24 on: July 20, 2011, 05:58 »
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cidepix,

it's a shame you deleted them.  I reckon Peter's pretty reasonable and will come around (eventually) if he gets more feedback from the vector veterens.... I don't have that many so my opinion probably didn't carry much weight when I emailed him.   


 

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