Author Topic: Stocksy - Are you in or out ? Experiences. (Read 60089 times)

Poncke · « **Reply #150 on:** April 19, 2013, 19:35 »

Cooperatives are typically based on the cooperative values of "self-help, self-responsibility, democracy and equality, equity and solidarity" and the seven cooperative principles:
~~Voluntary and open membership~~
Democratic member control
Economic participation by members
Autonomy and independence
~~Education, training and information~~
~~Cooperation among cooperatives~~
Concern for community

vlad_the_imp · « **Reply #151 on:** April 20, 2013, 00:51 »

I personally applied and didn't even receive a reply. This smacks to me of rudeness and arrogance, and I know of others in a similar position. I'm quite OK with getting a rejection, but to be ignored, that's unnecessary and rude.

mlwinphoto · « **Reply #152 on:** April 20, 2013, 14:27 »

Quote from: vlad_the_imp on April 20, 2013, 00:51

I personally applied and didn't even receive a reply. This smacks to me of rudeness and arrogance, and I know of others in a similar position. I'm quite OK with getting a rejection, but to be ignored, that's unnecessary and rude.

I applied and didn't receive a reply either. Which is fine. It tells me that I'm not even close to what they want and that I would be wasting my time by giving them a try. Much better to find out now rather than being let in and realizing several months from now that what I have to offer isn't going to work for them or me.

I agree that some form of notification would be nice but there are other agencies (which I won't mention here) that take the same approach.

gillian vann · « **Reply #153 on:** April 20, 2013, 17:12 »

Quote from: Poncke on April 19, 2013, 19:35

Cooperatives are typically based on the cooperative values of "self-help, self-responsibility, democracy and equality, equity and solidarity" and the seven cooperative principles:
~~Voluntary and open membership~~
Democratic member control
Economic participation by members
Autonomy and independence
~~Education, training and information~~
~~Cooperation among cooperatives~~
Concern for community

I don't get why you've crossed out those items
co-ops can choose members, I want to join a local organic food co-op - I have to apply and wait to be accepted.
there is plenty of education, training and info on the stocksy site.
no idea what the other one even means, all co-ops play nicely? ha!

you've missed one important one: a common understanding of the higher purpose of the co-op. which translates to a positive attitude, less whining and finger pointing, more helpfulness and a desire for everyone to succeed. the forums over there reflect that. it's a fun, friendly place to be.

Poncke · « **Reply #154 on:** April 20, 2013, 17:24 »

I crossed them out, because they dont apply to stocksy. I m not whining, I answered a question. No need to talk down on us non stocksy peeps. You got in, good luck, dont let it get to yur head.

By the way, I didnt say it wasnt a friendly place. But if it is such a friendly place, tell them to be nice and send me a rejection email. Ignoring people is not nice.

aeonf · « **Reply #155 on:** April 20, 2013, 17:27 »

Quote from: vlad_the_imp on April 20, 2013, 00:51

I personally applied and didn't even receive a reply. This smacks to me of rudeness and arrogance, and I know of others in a similar position. I'm quite OK with getting a rejection, but to be ignored, that's unnecessary and rude.

Aren't you exclusive to IS ?

ShadySue · « **Reply #156 on:** April 20, 2013, 17:31 »

Quote from: aeonf on April 20, 2013, 17:27

Quote from: vlad_the_imp on April 20, 2013, 00:51
I personally applied and didn't even receive a reply. This smacks to me of rudeness and arrogance, and I know of others in a similar position. I'm quite OK with getting a rejection, but to be ignored, that's unnecessary and rude.

Aren't you exclusive to IS ?

Aren't people allowed to look at the options?

BTW, I got a reply (I posted earlier that I didn't get a reply to my initial enquiry); it had gone into whatever my equivalent of a spam folder is. Might be worth checking? Anyway, that was just the initial invitation to send a link to one's photos. I didn't reply to that: we're clearly not a 'fit' (in either direction), and that's OK. I still wish them well.

mlwinphoto · « **Reply #157 on:** April 20, 2013, 17:52 »

Quote from: aeonf on April 20, 2013, 17:27

Quote from: vlad_the_imp on April 20, 2013, 00:51
I personally applied and didn't even receive a reply. This smacks to me of rudeness and arrogance, and I know of others in a similar position. I'm quite OK with getting a rejection, but to be ignored, that's unnecessary and rude.

Aren't you exclusive to IS ?

I applied even though I am an iStock exclusive. Probably would've dropped the crown had I been approved. Although once they (iStock) read this I may not have a choice....

mattdixon · « **Reply #158 on:** April 20, 2013, 18:44 »

Quote from: Poncke on April 20, 2013, 17:24

I crossed them out, because they dont apply to stocksy. I m not whining, I answered a question. No need to talk down on us non stocksy peeps. You got in, good luck, dont let it get to yur head.

Nothing is going to anyones head.

Those of us that are in are taking a big chance investing our best selling work and taking a big hit on income. It's quite depressing coming in here and reading the negative comments with a trigger happy Death Star hovering around waiting to shut down accounts permanently.

It's not the big party everyone seems to think, its actually a very daunting place to be.

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #159 on:** April 20, 2013, 19:19 »

You would think you're allowed to look at the options...

gillian vann · « **Reply #160 on:** April 20, 2013, 19:27 »

Quote from: Poncke on April 20, 2013, 17:24

No need to talk down on us non stocksy peeps. You got in, good luck, dont let it get to yur head.

By the way, I didn't say it wasnt a friendly place. But if it is such a friendly place, tell them to be nice and send me a rejection email. Ignoring people is not nice.

I'm merely responding in the way I would have, regardless of whether I'd been accepted or not. It's hardly going to go to my head, I have such a small port there (and everywhere else).

shudderstok · « **Reply #161 on:** April 20, 2013, 20:14 »

Quote from: vlad_the_imp on April 20, 2013, 00:51

I personally applied and didn't even receive a reply. This smacks to me of rudeness and arrogance, and I know of others in a similar position. I'm quite OK with getting a rejection, but to be ignored, that's unnecessary and rude.

I was asked to see a link to my work and they "might" ask me to apply. This smacks of arrogance. I replied to that email with a few questions about what it is that I would be blindly sending a link to so that I "might" even be considered to apply for, and I never got a reply. This to me smacks of rudeness.

No Thanks Stocksy.

vlad_the_imp · « **Reply #162 on:** April 21, 2013, 01:31 »

Quote

Aren't you exclusive to IS ?

I am, but that doesn't stop me looking at options. I got the initial invite to submit my work but no reply to my submission, which is where the rude bit comes in. Just say no, it ain't hard. I take comfort in the famous Groucho Marx quote “I don’t want to belong to any club that would accept me as one of its members.”

Poncke · « **Reply #163 on:** April 21, 2013, 02:16 »

Quote from: mattdixon on April 20, 2013, 18:44

Quote from: Poncke on April 20, 2013, 17:24
I crossed them out, because they dont apply to stocksy. I m not whining, I answered a question. No need to talk down on us non stocksy peeps. You got in, good luck, dont let it get to yur head.

Nothing is going to anyones head.

Those of us that are in are taking a big chance investing our best selling work and taking a big hit on income. It's quite depressing coming in here and reading the negative comments with a trigger happy Death Star hovering around waiting to shut down accounts permanently.

It's not the big party everyone seems to think, its actually a very daunting place to be.

I was replying to someone's comment. I didnt say everyone at stocksy is letting get to their heads.

I wish people stop putting words in my mouth.

I do get a bit of a feeling of sensitiveness about stocksy from the people that got accepted.

If the responses here are positive or negative, what has that to do with you? Every agency gets positive and negative comments, why should stocksy be different?

Its ok to burn down istock, ft, 123, and all new agencies that come to post here. I guess it will also spill over to stocksy.

At least SS and Istock tell you when you didnt qualify.

Anyhoo, my explanation on the coop wasnt negative or positive, just an observation. I have been fairly positive about stocksy, but lately I have a bit of change of mind. I guess that can happen, but there is nothing wrong with that, imo.

Good luck.

ffNixx · « **Reply #164 on:** April 21, 2013, 04:50 »

On the question of whether Socksy is a genuine co-op or not, it's worth noting there are plenty of so-called co-ops that are quite similar to regular corporations. Like the Co-op Bank or Co-op supermarkets in the UK.

Something I have come to realize about Stocksy, is that if they were a genuine co-op, they would pay a royalty closer to 100% than just 50%. With their present structure, a small contributor will find they have a new boss: large contributors competing with them. Because the profit is disproportionally distributed to the large contributors. This seems to go against the principle of equal opportunity that a co-op should embody.

If I ever succeed in joining them, I'll be working for sjlocke!

BImages · « **Reply #165 on:** April 21, 2013, 08:16 »

"Cooperative" means you put everyone efforts in a mutual objective, basically like unions and governments.
Normally like communism, they just don't refuse members... they want them all.

Stocksy look more like a private club to me...

ShadySue · « **Reply #166 on:** April 21, 2013, 08:33 »

I'm new to the idea of a co-operative being open to absolutely anyone. That's not how I have seen various co-operatives working hereabouts. I'd think almost any co-operative would need members to be broadly in agreement with their values and modus operandi - for example if there was a fair trade co-operative, they wouldn't want to be wasting their time arguing with someone who was constantly trying to push towards a model of getting shareholders and maximising profit for the shareholders by any means possible. Just like here we have little toleration for those who come on to a microstock group with an agenda of micro-bashing.
In the case of Stocksy, they could see it as being for those with a shared aesthetic, so a bit like a private club, with co-operation / co-operative principles among its members.
OTOH, how many of us would rush to join a totally unjuried stock agency?

rckirk · « **Reply #167 on:** April 21, 2013, 08:53 »

"OTOH, how many of us would rush to join a totally unjuried stock agency?"
Great rhetorical question! Certainly not me.

pro@stockphotos · « **Reply #168 on:** April 21, 2013, 11:22 »

I had hope this would be something it seems not to be. It appears the venture bruce took up after IS is more akin to stocksy than IS. As the curtain was pulled back and my hope faded so did their traffic and interest. Maybe lighting in a bottle is more IS and less stocksy. If they had combined IS original concept and a coop, then who knows. I seem to remember IS rocketing off from the beggining. Not years into it!!!

vlad_the_imp · « **Reply #169 on:** April 21, 2013, 11:31 »

I think we all wanted it to be something that existed in the past, like IS used to be, but better. We see the reality and are disappointed.

loop · « **Reply #170 on:** April 21, 2013, 11:38 »

Cooperatives have never been open to everyone. What defines a coop is its ownership shared structure, but they don't have to be open to everyone in the world.

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #171 on:** April 21, 2013, 11:52 »

Quote from: pro@stockphotos on April 21, 2013, 11:22

I had hope this would be something it seems not to be. It appears the venture bruce took up after IS is more akin to stocksy than IS. As the curtain was pulled back and my hope faded so did their traffic and interest. Maybe lighting in a bottle is more IS and less stocksy. If they had combined IS original concept and a coop, then who knows. I seem to remember IS rocketing off from the beggining. Not years into it!!!

IS certainly didn't rocket off anywhere within three weeks of opening.

BImages · « **Reply #172 on:** April 22, 2013, 09:19 »

Quote from: loop on April 21, 2013, 11:38

Cooperatives have never been open to everyone. What defines a coop is its ownership shared structure, but they don't have to be open to everyone in the world.

You should read these:

http://reic.uwcc.wisc.edu/issues/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochdale_Principles

BrianM · « **Reply #173 on:** April 22, 2013, 11:26 »

Quote from: ffNixx on April 21, 2013, 04:50

Something I have come to realize about Stocksy, is that if they were a genuine co-op, they would pay a royalty closer to 100% than just 50%. With their present structure, a small contributor will find they have a new boss: large contributors competing with them. Because the profit is disproportionally distributed to the large contributors. This seems to go against the principle of equal opportunity that a co-op should embody.

If I ever succeed in joining them, I'll be working for sjlocke!

As overall revenue grows, Stocksy will pay close to 100% royalties to contributors! 50% is what we get paid right at the time of sale. At the end of the year, profit (after costs to run the coop) is distributed among members. As revenue grows to greatly outweigh operating costs, that percentage paid to contributors approaches the full value of the sale when you add the initial commission plus the year end profit sharing.

It's not disproportionate at all. If a member works hard and makes 100k sales, and someone else has other projects going on this year and puts in less effort and makes 1k sales, it is fair dealing that the one who put in more effort makes more from profit sharing, proportional by definition.

pro@stockphotos · « **Reply #174 on:** April 22, 2013, 11:28 »

Quote from: sjlocke on April 21, 2013, 11:52

Quote from: pro@stockphotos on April 21, 2013, 11:22
I had hope this would be something it seems not to be. It appears the venture bruce took up after IS is more akin to stocksy than IS. As the curtain was pulled back and my hope faded so did their traffic and interest. Maybe lighting in a bottle is more IS and less stocksy. If they had combined IS original concept and a coop, then who knows. I seem to remember IS rocketing off from the beggining. Not years into it!!!

IS certainly didn't rocket off anywhere within three weeks of opening.

IS may have not in three weeks but it did keep those buyers who found it and their interest did rocket off. The interest was there in this case but the product is not up to par and I think there was a collective sigh of dissapointment. Take the bad aspects of istock, ie artsy promoted over usefull commerical value, and clickish, and that seems to be the only thing offered here. I would stick to IS/getty/shutterstock for my needs if I were a buyer.

To tell you the success of usefull vs artsy, Sean, you have outsold the queen of IS 3 to 1 since 2010.

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Author Topic: Stocksy - Are you in or out ? Experiences. (Read 60089 times)

Poncke

vlad_the_imp

mlwinphoto

gillian vann

Poncke

aeonf

ShadySue

mlwinphoto

mattdixon

Sean Locke Photography

gillian vann

shudderstok

vlad_the_imp

Poncke

ffNixx

BImages

ShadySue

rckirk

pro@stockphotos

vlad_the_imp

loop

Sean Locke Photography

BImages

BrianM

pro@stockphotos

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