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« Reply #25 on: July 25, 2008, 20:00 »
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Hi guys,

The main reason for implementing these changes is mainly for consistency--consistency within StockXpert and across JI. As JI becomes a bigger part of StockXpert and StockXpert becomes a bigger part of JI at various levels, we need to make sure those involved promoting, marketing, and selling these images know exactly what they are delivering to customers, and  customers need to know that what they are receiving will be the same thing two days from when they buy it.

We do expect to reach many more customers and thus increase your revenue. Fact is customers exist in many different places and require many different ways of being reached. And yes. Some will need subscriptions and some will need only a few images at a time via PPD.

As for now StockXpert subs will stay the same, but we are talking about ways to create a simple subscription plan that can include various content types, so who knows how StockXpert subs will evolve.

We hope that you guys will at least give it a try. The team here has a lot of experience in this industry, and I have faith that they will deliver for you, but we absolutely have to start with a consistent and reliable product customers and the staff can have confidence in.

If you have any other questions or comments, you know I'm here.

Thanks,
Steve


vonkara

« Reply #26 on: July 25, 2008, 20:05 »
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Does the sales from StockXpert for L size and under will still be available for PPD. As I understand the ones from photos.com will be at subs prices. Does the StockXpert ones will become only subs also?

« Reply #27 on: July 25, 2008, 20:10 »
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Definitely. All StockXpert images on StockXpert will remain available as PPD/credit.

Thanks,
Steve

vonkara

« Reply #28 on: July 25, 2008, 20:20 »
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Ok thanks. Can you explain exactly why the images are not available as PPD/credits for the photos.com buyers? Do it's because StockXpert think it will be useless for them?

I think there's lot more expensive PPD on photos.com also, do I'm wrong? Then maybe it can be a good thing for them also to have PPD on StockXpert for photos.com buyers. For the less active ones??

I'm not an expert... just asking!
« Last Edit: July 25, 2008, 20:27 by Vonkara »

« Reply #29 on: July 25, 2008, 20:32 »
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Hi Vonkara,

I'm not involved at that level of marketing and product management and I don't want to speculate too much, but for now they probably just want to work within the existing Photos.com model and evaluate from there. Like I said different customers have different needs and Photos.com is a brand and product that caters to a specific customer base.

And to be clear, the PPD option on Photos.com will be not be based on credits. Customers wil be buying through credit card or invoicing, etc.

Thanks!
-Steve

« Reply #30 on: July 25, 2008, 21:27 »
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I wonder what will happen when some customer that has paid 200 $ for a XL photo discovers that was available in another site of the same brad for 10$. ANgry customers are bad for business.

« Reply #31 on: July 25, 2008, 22:37 »
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I wonder what will happen when some customer that has paid 200 $ for a XL photo discovers that was available in another site of the same brad for 10$. ANgry customers are bad for business.


Well, if they offer the customer more rights for that image then the customer will probably not care. As long as they understand the difference. Though, I don't know what those "rights" would be.

« Reply #32 on: July 25, 2008, 22:44 »
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The rights are a bit different. You can read the Photos.com EULA here:

http://www.photos.com/en/company/terms

Also, as of now, the level of service the Photos.com PPD customer receives is a bit higher at that price range.

BTW, I will try and answer all your questions the best I can. Some questions I will answer here in the forums and some I will answer through PM to the individual poster because there is some info we can't make public yet.

Thanks!
-Steve

« Reply #33 on: July 26, 2008, 02:58 »
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I am not happy with 30 cents for subs.  I get 38 cents with SS and most of the other subs sites are now paying much more than 30 cents.  Snapvillage are stuck on 30 cents but I am opting out with new uploads.  I have stopped uploading to other sites that pay 30 cents or less.

Given that you now don't offer an opt out, isn't it time to give us an increase?

« Reply #34 on: July 26, 2008, 03:50 »
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I don't see vectors on Photos.com. What is this change going to mean for vector artists?

« Reply #35 on: July 26, 2008, 03:52 »
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The rights are a bit different. You can read the Photos.com EULA here:

http://www.photos.com/en/company/terms


What for ? Terms can change tomorrow.
I'm very suprised how microstock's company treat contributors. Submitters have to agree with TOS policies to open an account. This is the contract between us (contributors) and them (agency). I have never heard about this kind of one-sided change. Law doesn't apply to microstock ?
DT was first, than FT and now StockXpert. If we are numerous to take part, with a small sum, we could ask for the opinion of a lawyer. I am ready to give $200.

« Reply #36 on: July 26, 2008, 05:40 »
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1 Month Subs = $99, You can download 7500 photos monthly.
0.30c x 7500 = $2250, Imagine that somebody is downloading all his monthly limit (or maybe half or quater or even 1/10)
It doesnt pay at all, or Im missed something?

How StockXpert can pay .30c per download from Photos.com?

« Reply #37 on: July 26, 2008, 06:39 »
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Hi Gregor, vectors will be included and priced similar to the XL and XXL images.

Dash, it will become clearer once we announce the actual details of the plan.

Sharpshot, I can definitely ask.

Thanks!
-Steve

« Reply #38 on: July 26, 2008, 07:18 »
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Can you give us some more information about photos.com customers. Are there as many as with stockxpert? Are there any calculations how much more image stockxpert might license through photos.com? Thanks Steve!

« Reply #39 on: July 26, 2008, 10:46 »
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dash , good arithmetic and common sense. I can buy so many for so little, why buy outside sub.

rene, it's called the nature of things. the big fish eat the little fish -
many examples here:  micro site/ contributor; jupiter/StockXpert;
when the bigger company tells the little company JUMP, the squirt have to ask HOW HIGH.
 8)

anjo J

« Reply #40 on: July 26, 2008, 13:31 »
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steve-0, good to see you here, will be checking in more to clarify.

Whatever happens, I hope this will work out for all contributors.
I am sure the last thing we all want is a new definition to add to
the disambiguation thesarus:

LAUGHING STOCK = "buyers pay next to nothing for photos,
contrinutors get even less. but big business for micro sites".
 ;)

« Reply #41 on: July 26, 2008, 13:34 »
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Hi Jan,

I can't reveal too many details, but Photos.com serves hundreds of thousands of downloads a month.

I don't want to set unrealistic expectations here, but this does highlight the potential this opportunity offers.

« Reply #42 on: July 26, 2008, 14:05 »
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I will give it a few months and see what happens.  If this improves my earnings, I wont be complaining and if it goes wrong, there are lots of other sites to concentrate on.

« Reply #43 on: July 26, 2008, 15:18 »
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The rights are a bit different. You can read the Photos.com EULA here:

http://www.photos.com/en/company/terms

Also, as of now, the level of service the Photos.com PPD customer receives is a bit higher at that price range.


Steve,

Unless I missed something in the terms, there are no differences between the subs and non-subs regarding image usage.  As per paragraphs 1E and 1F, the allowed usages are VERY broad (even resale items, no limits of copies of any printed media, etc).  This may be ok when you talk about the high prices, but definitely not about subs.

Regards,
Adelaide

« Reply #44 on: July 26, 2008, 16:00 »
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Adelaide, you are spot on there.  This is crazy and I now think I will have to delete my portfolio from StockXpert if they stick to this.

Why should we accept 30 cents a download for this license?  It is more like an extended license on the other sites.  If we accept this and the other sites do the same, we are going to lose out.

vonkara

« Reply #45 on: July 26, 2008, 16:24 »
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On this angle it look awful. It look more and more like the macros are taking advantage of the micros success. Exactly like the "try this search on Getty" banner on Istock, without having the same on Getty.

Thanks madelaide for pointing out this

I will wait strongly for seeing one of these 100$ sales or so... If they will exist
« Last Edit: July 26, 2008, 16:33 by Vonkara »

jsnover

« Reply #46 on: July 26, 2008, 17:32 »
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Steve, I appreciate you participating in the forums here, but all this "can't talk about the details" is pretty hard to swallow. You're radically changing the licensing terms, removing any options to opt-out (other than quitting StockXpert) altogether, implementing it at the beginning of August and it's late July now.

Unless you're just hoping to dump a lot of StockXpert contributors, don't you think that having a chance to look at the full terms and conditions of this setup before it goes into effect is reasonable so we can decide what to do?

« Reply #47 on: July 26, 2008, 19:03 »
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A lot of these sites seem to forget that this is a partnership, on a large scale from the agency perspective, but a partnership none the less.  We are not your customers, you are our distributors.

Most designers are well aware that we distribute through multiple agencies.  The inclusion of what many of our other distributors consider extended rights in the basic photos.com license could damage our sales through those other channels.  We are being forced to choose all or nothing in terms of extended rights and subscriptions, and to assume the entire risk ourselves.  Worse than nothing, as we would additionally have to give up Stockxpert as a distribution channel.

I will freely admit that I am only recently a supplier to StockXpert, but that only makes it easier for me to shrug my shoulders and walk away.  I know many here benefit greatly from the site and have a much larger dilemma to face.

« Reply #48 on: July 26, 2008, 19:05 »
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Well , if I understood my reading , it will be large images , that are more than useful for tons of stuff , with license that is almost identical to EL in microstock , and we will get 0.30$   ?


So again , I hope that I'm wrong , but I doubt ,  large images can be printed on resale items , shirts and stuff , and we will get 0.30$ ?


So again if I'm not wrong , and lets say that an average EL on micros is somewhere around 25$ , that would be almost 90 times cheaper to buyer than purchasing that image with EL on micros ?


 

« Reply #49 on: July 26, 2008, 20:41 »
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Hi guys,

All I'm doing is trying to explain the reasons for these changes, and I'm trying to provide you with as much info as I can.

And we honestly believe the potential benefits of this opportunity will outweigh any risk or cost. All we're asking is to give it a shot. You can ask to remove your portfolio at any time.

There is such a huge market for stock images and microstock caters to a minor portion of it. This is just a way to reach those customers beyond microstock with your existing images.

Howerver, I do understand your concerns, and I will relay them to the team.

Thanks,
Steve


 

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