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« Reply #100 on: February 27, 2014, 11:56 »
+14
Isnt there a bit of witchhunting going on here and doesnt it smell of cult?

Sym had problems right from the start, one of them was the lack of self critique, very obvious now.
Not to mention a few others, that I wont mention now, but did in the past.

Now prove the cult thing true and give me some minuses, since I speak against the true belief.

I don't get the cult thing. I'm just trying to make some money and trying something new. Maybe, I didn't get my robe, sneakers and Kool-Aid when I opened my site.


farbled

« Reply #101 on: February 27, 2014, 12:15 »
+3
Isnt there a bit of witchhunting going on here and doesnt it smell of cult?

Sym had problems right from the start, one of them was the lack of self critique, very obvious now.
Not to mention a few others, that I wont mention now, but did in the past.

Now prove the cult thing true and give me some minuses, since I speak against the true belief.
I gave you a plus, just because (I don't know that they matter to anything and I just noticed them a few weeks ago, but they're fun) :) I do agree about the witch-hunt though, albeit probably not the same way as you do.

One thing I never know, which are you talking about? The actual theme software or the "official" network/forum/sites/etc. Because on the software side we critiqued (bug hunted, discussed improvements, concerns, etc) the heck out of it for a long, long time.

Shelma1

« Reply #102 on: February 27, 2014, 12:18 »
+9
I don't get the cult thing either. I think we're a bunch of people who are just tired of being a bit unappreciated by some of the microstock houses and are looking for an alternative way to earn income with our work. We're hoping that linking to each other gives us more visibility and gives buyers an alternate way to search more images than just those on our individual sites, which might help keep them coming back. We're helping each other navigate and boost SEO and Twitter and Facebook visibility.

It's a way to build a store with the added bonus of supportive people and more visibility.

« Reply #103 on: February 27, 2014, 12:24 »
-7
Isnt there a bit of witchhunting going on here and doesnt it smell of cult?

Sym had problems right from the start, one of them was the lack of self critique, very obvious now.
Not to mention a few others, that I wont mention now, but did in the past.

Now prove the cult thing true and give me some minuses, since I speak against the true belief.

I don't get the cult thing. I'm just trying to make some money and trying something new. Maybe, I didn't get my robe, sneakers and Kool-Aid when I opened my site.


Good luck with the making money thing, tho illustrators seem to have a leg up, so you will probably do well.

Shelma1

« Reply #104 on: February 27, 2014, 12:29 »
+3
Isnt there a bit of witchhunting going on here and doesnt it smell of cult?

Sym had problems right from the start, one of them was the lack of self critique, very obvious now.
Not to mention a few others, that I wont mention now, but did in the past.

Now prove the cult thing true and give me some minuses, since I speak against the true belief.

I don't get the cult thing. I'm just trying to make some money and trying something new. Maybe, I didn't get my robe, sneakers and Kool-Aid when I opened my site.


Good luck with the making money thing, tho illustrators seem to have a leg up, so you will probably do well.

Actually, a couple of photographers are doing well too.

Ron

« Reply #105 on: February 27, 2014, 12:31 »
-2
Actually, a couple of photographers are doing well too.
It aint me, promise.  ;)  Doubled my portfolio but not one sale since Dec 18, 2013. My site dropped 400,000 places on Alexa. Something happened and killed my sales. And I cant stop the free fall.

« Reply #106 on: February 27, 2014, 12:44 »
-5
Actually, a couple of photographers are doing well too.
It aint me, promise.  ;)  Doubled my portfolio but not one sale since Dec 18, 2013. My site dropped 400,000 places on Alexa. Something happened and killed my sales. And I cant stop the free fall.


I think it has already been established that a few people are doing "well". That is a relative term. It would only take 5 sales in the past year to be doing well, as compared with the majority of those networked.


It would have been so useful to get some sort of stats from those who are/were doing well, anonymously of course, such as x amount of images, social media plan, how many sites interlinked, etc etc.


Nobody wanted to share that kind pf data with everyone in the network tho.


I think i just made some constructive criticisms about SY. But watch how many minuses i get. Yeah, that cult.  :)

« Reply #107 on: February 27, 2014, 13:02 »
+12
I shared. In fact that is what prompted your first explosion in the previous thread. I also explained in fairly large detail what I have done to achieve my sales. Later on many other people offered helpful suggestions and tips. I am pretty certain you have read that thread a number of times and have probably adopted many of those approaches for your non- symbio site. If you haven't you really should it will probably help your sales. However, instead of saying thanks for the helpful information you accused Leo of self marketing and other nefarious acts. This is why you get so many minuses. There is a lot of great info associated with Symbiostock but you refuse to acknowledge any of it.

« Reply #108 on: February 27, 2014, 13:15 »
0
A cult in my belief is a gathering of people who do not accept challenges to the belief.

Basically the symbiostock idea was very healthy, and is a huge challenge to the operative market. It could have developed and won.

IF it had focused focused on the target, and not on the sand in the playground.

1.. The network must be a network and not some doomesdays preppers displaying their version. There must be a common vision, and a common display and gateway. There must be a goal for the entreprise, and it becomes meaningless when people wants freedom to upload pictures of their aunt on brown colours on the wall paper.
2.. There must be some kind of audit to maintain quality.
3...The network must be customer friendly.

SYM has failed in all three.
Mostly because of two factors:
You cannot base such a huge task on one mans shoulders, and pay him with only saying, thank you!
You could however, place it on the shoulders of many, if the vision is clear. But we cannot have an an irreplacable guru.
The software should not be a free one, but one fenced in, deep in Fort Knox.

So... next time.. Grab the software, fence it in, and describe a vision. And let the people who agree, form the arena, kick the others out.
It can be done, it is many times seen that gatherings of pheasants formed a coop, that outcompeted the middlemen.
The idea is sound, and could revolutionize commercial image licensing. But it does take a lot of discipline and hard work.

Ron

« Reply #109 on: February 27, 2014, 13:19 »
+8
I find it remarkable that the ones without sites know best what happened and what should be done.

De beste stuurlui staan aan wal. Google it.

« Reply #110 on: February 27, 2014, 13:29 »
-4
I find it remarkable that the ones without sites know best what happened and what should be done.

De beste stuurlui staan aan wal. Google it.

crap Ron, I have followed SYM right from the start, and  I didnt get in, because I could see the weaknesses already back then.
I hoped it would have worked, hoped it would get rid of the child deceases and mature.
But it didnt, it had to die first.


Ron

« Reply #111 on: February 27, 2014, 13:31 »
+1
There are no child diseases any longer, people keep saying that. The product is mature. It broke down on accusations and envy.

« Reply #112 on: February 27, 2014, 13:38 »
+11
A cult in my belief is a gathering of people who do not accept challenges to the belief.

It's kind of hard to stop people from believing in themselves. If that is a cult, then I guess I was in that cult before I had a Symbio site. We all know Symbiostock isn't perfect. It is open source after all. It's supposed to be a work in progress that anybody can contribute to. You have to start somewhere though.

farbled

« Reply #113 on: February 27, 2014, 13:38 »
+3
A cult in my belief is a gathering of people who do not accept challenges to the belief.

Basically the symbiostock idea was very healthy, and is a huge challenge to the operative market. It could have developed and won.

IF it had focused focused on the target, and not on the sand in the playground.

1.. The network must be a network and not some doomesdays preppers displaying their version. There must be a common vision, and a common display and gateway. There must be a goal for the entreprise, and it becomes meaningless when people wants freedom to upload pictures of their aunt on brown colours on the wall paper.
2.. There must be some kind of audit to maintain quality.
3...The network must be customer friendly.

SYM has failed in all three.
Mostly because of two factors:
You cannot base such a huge task on one mans shoulders, and pay him with only saying, thank you!
You could however, place it on the shoulders of many, if the vision is clear. But we cannot have an an irreplacable guru.
The software should not be a free one, but one fenced in, deep in Fort Knox.

So... next time.. Grab the software, fence it in, and describe a vision. And let the people who agree, form the arena, kick the others out.
It can be done, it is many times seen that gatherings of pheasants formed a coop, that outcompeted the middlemen.
The idea is sound, and could revolutionize commercial image licensing. But it does take a lot of discipline and hard work.


I actually agree with a good chunk of this, who knew?

The thing I disagree with is that you are treating Leo's Sym network forum and pages as the only network. Others have search pages and "networks". So SYm (the software platform) hasn't failed at all. It works exactly as promised. When a musician or writer or other developer downloads the Sym theme, they will create yet another network, and another, etc, etc...

I agree though, and when I create a closed network it will be with similar subjects, prices and quality and, as it happens, Sym already has that functionality built in. And I won't join any other networks that impose restrictions on me unless I choose to. It really is the good side of this concept, there can be (and is) many networks. Leo just has an "official" one that got all .

"The software should not be a free one, but one fenced in, deep in Fort Knox." This one I don't agree with, having worked for a multimillion dollar reseller who used nothing but Opencart, Paypal and a decent accounting package. Worked (and still works) fine.

« Reply #114 on: February 27, 2014, 13:48 »
0
A cult in my belief is a gathering of people who do not accept challenges to the belief.

Basically the symbiostock idea was very healthy, and is a huge challenge to the operative market. It could have developed and won.

IF it had focused focused on the target, and not on the sand in the playground.

1.. The network must be a network and not some doomesdays preppers displaying their version. There must be a common vision, and a common display and gateway. There must be a goal for the entreprise, and it becomes meaningless when people wants freedom to upload pictures of their aunt on brown colours on the wall paper.
2.. There must be some kind of audit to maintain quality.
3...The network must be customer friendly.

SYM has failed in all three.
Mostly because of two factors:
You cannot base such a huge task on one mans shoulders, and pay him with only saying, thank you!
You could however, place it on the shoulders of many, if the vision is clear. But we cannot have an an irreplacable guru.
The software should not be a free one, but one fenced in, deep in Fort Knox.

So... next time.. Grab the software, fence it in, and describe a vision. And let the people who agree, form the arena, kick the others out.
It can be done, it is many times seen that gatherings of pheasants formed a coop, that outcompeted the middlemen.
The idea is sound, and could revolutionize commercial image licensing. But it does take a lot of discipline and hard work.


I actually agree with a good chunk of this, who knew?

The thing I disagree with is that you are treating Leo's Sym network forum and pages as the only network. Others have search pages and "networks". So SYm (the software platform) hasn't failed at all. It works exactly as promised. When a musician or writer or other developer downloads the Sym theme, they will create yet another network, and another, etc, etc...

I agree though, and when I create a closed network it will be with similar subjects, prices and quality and, as it happens, Sym already has that functionality built in. And I won't join any other networks that impose restrictions on me unless I choose to. It really is the good side of this concept, there can be (and is) many networks. Leo just has an "official" one that got all .

"The software should not be a free one, but one fenced in, deep in Fort Knox." This one I don't agree with, having worked for a multimillion dollar reseller who used nothing but Opencart, Paypal and a decent accounting package. Worked (and still works) fine.
Either way, the integrity of your data must be controlled. If you loose your data your are out of business.  I dont care which platform, free or not, but data must be guaranteed. The entegrity can be guaranteed both by an open source platform or a closed one, the point is that it should be in the coop or syms control when you are dependant on it. In this case one mand has the control, and has threathened to undermine paying users. Or did I misunderstand something?

Shelma1

« Reply #115 on: February 27, 2014, 13:53 »
+6
Actually, a couple of photographers are doing well too.
It aint me, promise.  ;)  Doubled my portfolio but not one sale since Dec 18, 2013. My site dropped 400,000 places on Alexa. Something happened and killed my sales. And I cant stop the free fall.


I think it has already been established that a few people are doing "well". That is a relative term. It would only take 5 sales in the past year to be doing well, as compared with the majority of those networked.


It would have been so useful to get some sort of stats from those who are/were doing well, anonymously of course, such as x amount of images, social media plan, how many sites interlinked, etc etc.


Nobody wanted to share that kind pf data with everyone in the network tho.


I think i just made some constructive criticisms about SY. But watch how many minuses i get. Yeah, that cult.  :)

I've shared every sale. I've also followed several people's advice, which may have helped. They didn't have to share their advice...after all, at the end of the day, we're competitors. Helping me might hurt an illustrator who was willing to share his advice. And aren't you the one who insisted you were only interested in your own site and helping yourself? How about you share here how many sales you've had and all the details about how you achieved them. Hold on, let me make some popcorn.

There are 174 sites, yet your post got only 4 minuses. Cult? Huh?

Ron

« Reply #116 on: February 27, 2014, 13:58 »
+2
In this case one mand has the control, and has threathened to undermine paying users. Or did I misunderstand something?
What?!?!? See that is the damage that has been done. Gossip and lies and now its accepted as truth. Job done. Un-f^$ing-believable.

« Reply #117 on: February 27, 2014, 14:04 »
+2

1.. The network must be a network and not some doomesdays preppers displaying their version. There must be a common vision, and a common display and gateway. There must be a goal for the entreprise, and it becomes meaningless when people wants freedom to upload pictures of their aunt on brown colours on the wall paper.
2.. There must be some kind of audit to maintain quality.
3...The network must be customer friendly.



I thought we had been over this enough already.  Your top 3 items above seem to spell out like another agency.  If it were that simple then many of the low earners on the list would be sucessful, but they aren't.

Warmpicture was such an effort with pics from many high quality lifestyle and other photographers, they gave up.

I wanted to try something different, something where I control online pics, prices, license terms, appearance, etc.  If it fails there isn't anyone to blame but me, but I will know I tried.

Maybe there is room for a self run coop, or it has been discussed somer smaller closed networks of like minded niche subjects.

You don't know what could happen until you try..........

« Reply #118 on: February 27, 2014, 14:13 »
+15
sigh... another Symbio thread locked.  I can't understand why something so community related and positive creates such negative feelings in people.  People that's a sign that it is worth fighting for??


 

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