Author Topic: Who's interested in a Symbiostock central hub for sales? (Read 10302 times)

cascoly · « **on:** July 18, 2013, 00:40 »

Let's see how much interest there would be before spending time on details that might not be a concern

original discussion started at http://www.microstockgroup.com/symbiostock-development-area/who-wants-to-open-a-hub-site/msg330741/#msg330741

Ron · « **Reply #1 on:** July 18, 2013, 01:03 »

I didnt vote as I simply dont know, and I dont know if I am interesting in a hub, since I have no clue how it works, and what the terms are going to be. I'll watch from the sidelines and jump on board if I see things I like.

JPSDK · « **Reply #2 on:** July 18, 2013, 01:21 »

I have a couple of questions:

Is the code secure, or can the carpet be pulled away in one second?
Is the system is vulnerable to abuse and parasitism?
Who controls the search machine?

picture5469 · « **Reply #3 on:** July 18, 2013, 01:31 »

Quote from: JPSDK on July 18, 2013, 01:21

I have a couple of questions:

Is the code secure, or can the carpet be pulled away in one second?
Is the system is vulnerable to abuse and parasitism?
Who controls the search machine?

I think the whole system relies on trust

cascoly · « **Reply #4 on:** July 18, 2013, 01:46 »

Quote from: JPSDK on July 18, 2013, 01:21

I have a couple of questions:

Is the code secure, or can the carpet be pulled away in one second?
Is the system is vulnerable to abuse and parasitism?
Who controls the search machine?

why should anyone reply to you when you've made it clear you're not going to participate?

some of us are trying to move in a positive direction. all you do is repeat the negativity you've displayed from the beginning. I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you're determined to prove me wrong.

cascoly · « **Reply #5 on:** July 18, 2013, 01:48 »

Quote from: Ron on July 18, 2013, 01:03

I didnt vote as I simply dont know, and I dont know if I am interesting in a hub, since I have no clue how it works, and what the terms are going to be. I'll watch from the sidelines and jump on board if I see things I like.

that's fine -- the main reason for the poll would be to eliminate some options -- eg if only a few were interested in a common EULA, it wouldn't make much sense to spend a lot of time there.

SLP_London · « **Reply #6 on:** July 18, 2013, 01:57 »

I don't have a site yet, but to me centralisation makes sense. Some constitution or founding principles could be established to protect against mistrust/corruption/greed etc. One such principle could be that whatever happens commission remains at 100%. Just a thought.

GeoPappas · « **Reply #7 on:** July 18, 2013, 05:58 »

What does it mean by "All payments made to central source payments"?

Are you talking about setting up some sort of group PayPal account?

And how would that work for tax purposes?

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #8 on:** July 18, 2013, 06:10 »

This is starting to sound like a Photoshelter virtual agency.

travelwitness · « **Reply #9 on:** July 18, 2013, 06:30 »

Quote from: Sean Locke Photography on July 18, 2013, 06:10

This is starting to sound like a Photoshelter virtual agency.

Yep, but with a fully customisable interface - I always felt Photoshelter missed a trick here.

Kerioak~Christine · « **Reply #10 on:** July 18, 2013, 07:19 »

I have not voted because I would want to know more first. How would central payments work? I think we have already proven we cannot agree on a EULA so how would a decision be made

grsphoto · « **Reply #11 on:** July 18, 2013, 07:32 »

I like the idea of hub sites, as well as individual sites.

I see hub sites as a way to give similar topics a central place.

For Example a hub site based on Travel Stock.

The hub could be broken down further to South East Asia, South America, etc....

But, to make this viable the hub creator(s) need to be compensated for their effort ( because to do it right will take an effort.

DonLand · « **Reply #12 on:** July 18, 2013, 08:05 »

I think it is exactly what is needed. I voted for centralized payment and same EULA so it all looks like one big site to the customer rather than a bunch of scattered artists. If people can all live with the same EULA from all the microsites they've signed up with, why not here. If photographers signed up in droves and dropped their competing sites we could all make a decent living again and get rid of the $.21 downloads.

bspudd · « **Reply #13 on:** July 18, 2013, 09:26 »

Just throwing out a thought.

- Do a centralized (Central Hub) on Symbiostock
- Just like it is now, Artists can download the script and sell on their website recieving 100% commission
- If a sale comes through from the Symbiostock (Central Hub), Symbiostock gets a small percentage of commission in order for the developers do future updates.

This would be a win-win situation for all parties.

Ron · « **Reply #14 on:** July 18, 2013, 10:59 »

You just mentioned the one thing I am trying to escape from: ~~commission~~

That draws the line for me.

Cheers guys.

bspudd · « **Reply #15 on:** July 18, 2013, 12:14 »

Quote from: Ron on July 18, 2013, 10:59

You just mentioned the one thing I am trying to escape from: ~~commission~~

That draws the line for me.

Cheers guys.

And I totally agree however you are also getting software for FREE. In addition you can opt-out of the network if you don't like to participate in the central search/hub.

Nobody likes to do work for free. I know I don't and I would rather pay the Symbiostock Team some sort of commission to develop more features and benefit of the central search/hub IF the sale generates from the Symbiostock website.

If the traffic comes directly to your website you keep the 100%.
Make sense?

Ron · « **Reply #16 on:** July 18, 2013, 12:23 »

Its open source, what can I do about it? Ive spent some money on plugins.

But I'll butt out indefinitely now. That last comment kind of upset me even more.

bspudd · « **Reply #17 on:** July 18, 2013, 12:35 »

Quote from: Ron on July 18, 2013, 12:23

Its open source, what can I do about it? Ive spent some money on plugins.

But I'll butt out indefinitely now. That last comment kind of upset me even more.

I did software development in the past, obviously you don't have an idea how much time and effort goes into developing such system. I would gladly pay a small commission to Leo and the crew if the sale generates from their "Central Hub". This would be a small price to pay to show some appreciation instead of just saying thank you which won't pay the rent.

This was just an idea and nothing to be upset about. Ultimately Symbiostock will decide how it should be.

Ron · « **Reply #18 on:** July 18, 2013, 12:59 »

Cheers for the guilt trip

bspudd · « **Reply #19 on:** July 18, 2013, 13:01 »

Quote from: Ron on July 18, 2013, 12:59

Cheers for the guilt trip

You are welcome

cathyslife · « **Reply #20 on:** July 18, 2013, 13:11 »

Quote from: bspudd on July 18, 2013, 12:35

Quote from: Ron on July 18, 2013, 12:23
Its open source, what can I do about it? Ive spent some money on plugins.

But I'll butt out indefinitely now. That last comment kind of upset me even more.

I did software development in the past, obviously you don't have an idea how much time and effort goes into developing such system. I would gladly pay a small commission to Leo and the crew if the sale generates from their "Central Hub". This would be a small price to pay to show some appreciation instead of just saying thank you which won't pay the rent.

This was just an idea and nothing to be upset about. Ultimately Symbiostock will decide how it should be.

I know exactly how much goes into developing because its my day job. With all due respect to Leo and others, they took the project on voluntarily. They are reaping seo rewards and with paid plugins, upgrades and whatever else anyone comes up with, they will be compensated. They did so, offering this initial open source idea, for free. Some of us have helped being beta testers. No one on either side expected compensation in the beginning.

I have plans to donate to leo, buy plugins, etc. and help others by buying those things that i think necessary and helpful. i wont ever agree to anyone taking a commission from the sale of my photos.

I am not upset and you are entitled to your opinion, but i think its kind of insulting for you to say we have no idea. Most of worked days and days to get our site up and working correctly. Everybody is busy, everybody needs money...thats why i (we?) started this project to begin with.

There is no symbiostock to decide anything...theres me, theres you, and theres anyone else who chooses to build a SY site. We are all independent.

By the way, leo accepts donations. You dont have to just say thank you and you dont have to agree to a commission. If you want, thats your business, but there are other ways to show appreciation.

farbled · « **Reply #21 on:** July 18, 2013, 13:22 »

Quote from: bspudd on July 18, 2013, 12:35

I would gladly pay a small commission to Leo and the crew if the sale generates from their "Central Hub". This would be a small price to pay to show some appreciation instead of just saying thank you which won't pay the rent.

The fun part about open source projects is that you can do exactly what you suggest. I suspect you can find like minded individuals to help or contribute. I also suspect (again because of the nature of the platform) that someday we'll see many SYM hub sites, SYM specific search sites, closed networks, free stock sites, RF and RM sites, fine art sites, music sites, pirate sites, scam sites and everything in between. That's the internet for you.

As far as I know (and I am most probably wrong), Leo has done all that he said he would do on the free side of things. I really don't want to put words in his mouth though (just beer when I'm in Hawaii later this year). There are already a number of "Symbiostock" dot somethings out there now as well that you can approach.

bspudd · « **Reply #22 on:** July 18, 2013, 13:23 »

Quote from: cclapper on July 18, 2013, 13:11

I know exactly how much goes into developing because its my day job. With all due respect to Leo and others, they took the project on voluntarily. They are reaping seo rewards and with paid plugins, upgrades and whatever else anyone comes up with, they will be compensated. They did so, offering this initial open source idea, for free. Some of us have helped being beta testers. No one on either side expected compensation in the beginning.

I have plans to donate to leo, buy plugins, etc. and help others by buying those things that i think necessary and helpful. i wont ever agree to anyone taking a commission from the sale of my photos.

I am not upset and you are entitled to your opinion, but i think its kind of insulting for you to say we have no idea. Most of worked days and days to get our site up and working correctly. Everybody is busy, everybody needs money...thats why i (we?) started this project to begin with.

There is no symbiostock to decide anything...theres me, theres you, and theres anyone else who chooses to build a SY site. We are all independent.

By the way, leo accepts donations. You dont have to just say thank you and you dont have to agree to a commission. If you want, thats your business, but there are other ways to show appreciation.

I'm sorry if you get insulted but I didn't reply to you. Regardless, my apologies to the people who know how much work goes into software development.

I offered to donate yesterday in a different thread. Obviously if the majority of the people doesn't like the idea of commission. Well, it won't get implemented.

It was merely an idea to compensate the developers. Obviously, from what I can see people like to take but don't want to give back. Again, my apologies to the people who did, including you cclapper.

farbled · « **Reply #23 on:** July 18, 2013, 13:31 »

Quote from: bspudd on July 18, 2013, 13:23

Obviously, from what I can see people like to take but don't want to give back.

Thanks for negating a lot of people's hard work.

cathyslife · « **Reply #24 on:** July 18, 2013, 13:39 »

Quote from: farbled on July 18, 2013, 13:31

Quote from: bspudd on July 18, 2013, 13:23
Obviously, from what I can see people like to take but don't want to give back.

Thanks for negating a lot of people's hard work.

And with the "don't want to give back," I'm out.

farbled · « **Reply #25 on:** July 18, 2013, 13:48 »

Quote from: cclapper on July 18, 2013, 13:39

Quote from: farbled on July 18, 2013, 13:31
Quote from: bspudd on July 18, 2013, 13:23
Obviously, from what I can see people like to take but don't want to give back.

Thanks for negating a lot of people's hard work.

And with the "don't want to give back," I'm out.

I'm enjoying the irony of that post in relation to a forum chock-full of helpful topics, links and advice on SYM freely given by everyone involved.

Kerioak~Christine · « **Reply #26 on:** July 18, 2013, 13:53 »

Quote from: bspudd on July 18, 2013, 13:23

It was merely an idea to compensate the developers. Obviously, from what I can see people like to take but don't want to give back. Again, my apologies to the people who did, including you cclapper.

I would strongly suggest you read though ALL the posts, especially the early ones when new versions were being tested every day and then see if you can still "obviously see" if your above comment still stands, let alone people who have donated to Leo along the way.

What has happened recently, everything was so smooth - well, maybe a few hiccups and friendly with everyone helping each other, the last few days seem to have got somewhat prickly

farbled · « **Reply #27 on:** July 18, 2013, 13:56 »

Quote from: Tinny on July 18, 2013, 13:53

Quote from: bspudd on July 18, 2013, 13:23
It was merely an idea to compensate the developers. Obviously, from what I can see people like to take but don't want to give back. Again, my apologies to the people who did, including you cclapper.

I would strongly suggest you read though ALL the posts, especially the early ones when new versions were being tested every day and then see if you can still "obviously see" if your above comment still stands, let alone people who have donated to Leo along the way.

What has happened recently, everything was so smooth - well, maybe a few hiccups and friendly with everyone helping each other, the last few days seem to have got somewhat prickly

I think some of us are feeling a little protective of SY and don't take comments like the one above very well. Most of the things brought up now are things we all discussed ad nauseum long before.

Anyway, some good bits of gold in the dross. It's going to be an interesting year for Symbiostock and all of us involved.

bspudd · « **Reply #28 on:** July 18, 2013, 14:09 »

I think it is a healthy discussion. Again if somebody feels insulted by my comments, I do apologies.

Again, it was merely an idea. I'm willing to either pay a small commission or donate to the cause. I takes money to make money.

If that doesn't sit well with people, I guess it wasn't a good Idea and I can accept that.

farbled · « **Reply #29 on:** July 18, 2013, 14:17 »

Quote from: bspudd on July 18, 2013, 14:09

I think it is a healthy discussion. Again if somebody feels insulted by my comments, I do apologies.

Again, it was merely an idea. I'm willing to either pay a small commission or donate to the cause. I takes money to make money.

If that doesn't sit well with people, I guess it wasn't a good Idea and I can accept that.

I think the only insult was your suggestion that we're all freeloaders taking and not giving back without taking a real look at what's been done, by whom and for how long.

Your suggestion for a commission based system is fine and you'll have some followers to that model. I have no doubt someone will build exactly that as an option down the road if it makes sense for them to do so.

Leo Blanchette · « **Reply #30 on:** July 18, 2013, 14:32 »

These are all just ideas. There are a number of people having fairly regular sales without a hub. This idea is for the elite to group their efforts and simplify customer experience - and develop working relationship with clients.

I think there is confusion ... symbiostock official central search is a different project.

The hub setting would allow stocksky people to pool their efforts and keep the professional image they work hard for... it would allow me and a group of illustrators to have a fun looking illustration search and customer forum... it would allow nature photographers to build a global database of location oriented material if they wish. Anything.

The Eula and central carts are just perks. Please just have fun with the ideas. They will evolve into something.

bspudd · « **Reply #31 on:** July 18, 2013, 14:33 »

Quote from: farbled on July 18, 2013, 14:17

I think the only insult was your suggestion that we're all freeloaders taking and not giving back without taking a real look at what's been done, by whom and for how long.

Your suggestion for a commission based system is fine and you'll have some followers to that model. I have no doubt someone will build exactly that as an option down the road if it makes sense for them to do so.

I should have worded differently and I did apologize.

cascoly · « **Reply #32 on:** July 18, 2013, 15:04 »

my main reason for setting up the poll was to see what SYM owners thought about central collection for a group hub. I've never bought the idea that buyers are too lazy to buy from individual artists, so it appears there are enough people who agree that we can make a start

with less than 1 day's polling, representing about 20% of sym sites (not necessarily all votes are from sym sites, of course), individual sales and joint eula are running 2 to 1 ahead of the alternative.

so, i'll work up a more detailed proposal for how this might work. if you're interested, send me a PM with your email address as PM gets cumbersome with ccs. once we get a first draft of the design worked out, i'll post it here for more comments from everyone.

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