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grafix04

« Reply #300 on: December 23, 2012, 11:22 »
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It sure seems like a lot.   :-\
 :)

Why would you say that?  Have you seen me here over the years? 

I used to go into Talkmicro when I first started out in micro.  This forum I only used to read now and then when something big went down but I wasn't a member.  What got me interested here recently was PicturEngine a while ago.  I thought that was going to be the sites that saves the day but then it went quiet and I disappeared for more than six months till it resurfaced again at Christmas Black Friday - only to disappoint us all and disappear again.  That's really why I'm here.  That's what will effect me.  That or something like that so I can build, promote and eventually sell stock exclusively via my own site.  Plus earn from other avenues.  The issue at 123rf also interests me because I've been suspicious about them for a while but there hasn't been anything concrete enough to make me leave - till now.

This commission restructure isn't too hard to take at level 4.  It's the commission cuts along with the rest of it that makes it not worthwhile.  These recent 'errors' in our pay has me shocked.  And what's more shocking is that not too many people seem to be fussed over it. 



grafix04

« Reply #301 on: December 23, 2012, 11:42 »
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You know what, F--k it.  I remember now why I never bothered to type in here.

Merry F--king Christmas

CD123

« Reply #302 on: December 23, 2012, 11:54 »
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Joy to the word.
All the boys and girls.
Joy to the fishes in the deep blue see.
Joy to you and me!

Amen.

(PS Just had to get the spirit of the season back into the thread again ;))
« Last Edit: December 23, 2012, 11:58 by CD123 »

« Reply #303 on: December 23, 2012, 12:19 »
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You know what, F--k it.  I remember now why I never bothered to type in here.

Merry F--king Christmas

Please Grafix.. Stay. You say important things.
Relax, have christmas ,eat a couple of turkeys and then come back.

« Reply #304 on: December 23, 2012, 12:34 »
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...123RF did give us notice about this and we all had the opportunity to do something about it,...
They gave us the levels when it was too late to do something about it.  If they had set them at the start of the year, I might of been interested in getting to the next level.  I don't think they've implemented this well.  I'd have no problem working harder to get to the next level if I had confidence in them but I haven't see the promised increase in downloads and I think 123RF is going to lose out to SS even more in the next few years.  So for now, I'll use my time on sites that I think have a better outlook.  It's a shame because I don't like having to rely so much on SS but if their rival sites keep shooting themselves in the foot, there isn't much choice.

CD123

« Reply #305 on: December 23, 2012, 12:56 »
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...123RF did give us notice about this and we all had the opportunity to do something about it,...
They gave us the levels when it was too late to do something about it.  If they had set them at the start of the year, I might of been interested in getting to the next level.  I don't think they've implemented this well.  I'd have no problem working harder to get to the next level if I had confidence in them but I haven't see the promised increase in downloads and I think 123RF is going to lose out to SS even more in the next few years.  So for now, I'll use my time on sites that I think have a better outlook.  It's a shame because I don't like having to rely so much on SS but if their rival sites keep shooting themselves in the foot, there isn't much choice.
+ they promised us nearly double our sales since their announcement. Surely we had to wait to see the outcome first? This is the reason for my thread heading "how about the promises?" - as they did not keep their end up, yet they are implementing the cut.

Poncke

« Reply #306 on: December 23, 2012, 13:01 »
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You know what, F--k it.  I remember now why I never bothered to type in here.

Merry F--king Christmas
Ok this is what happened.

« Reply #307 on: December 23, 2012, 14:41 »
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What is your RPD at 123?  I was surpirized to realize that 123 and SS are virtually exactly the same for me averaged since Jan 1/12 at 73 cents per download.   (I thought SS had climbed a little higher than that).    Now.... that 73 cents at 123 is about to become .51 average RPD which doesn't agree with me.

But wait..... I guess I will never see that RPD will I....

« Reply #308 on: December 23, 2012, 17:44 »
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Joy to the word.
All the boys and girls.
Joy to the fishes in the deep blue see.
Joy to you and me!

Amen.

(PS Just had to get the spirit of the season back into the thread again ;))

thanks.  I think this thread needed that.

KB

« Reply #309 on: December 25, 2012, 10:31 »
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Warning: **OT**


123RF                         Small   Medium   Large   XLarge   XXLarge
Image                         400x    881x      2607x   3600x    2800x
Dimensions                  247      544       1609     2221     4214
Level 5 (50%)              $0.39    $0.79    $1.18   $1.58    $1.97

Fotolia                       XSmall   Small   Medium   Large   XLarge
Image                        485x     850x    1691x     2360x   4214x
Dimensions                 282      565      1124       1568    2800
Silver Level (25%)      $0.25    $0.75   $1.25      $1.75    $2.00

Food for thought and some discussion.

Sorry for butting in here. But as a former independent but now disappointed, disillusioned, and disgruntled iStock exclusive, I have to say "thanks" for posting this. It does help remind me of one the reasons I became exclusive (and perhaps the only remaining reason for continuing to be one).

At these 2 agencies, anyway, I found it enlightening to see that the royalties for the largest file sizes (at my former commission levels) are just about exactly the same as I get at iStock for the smallest (XS) size.  As for the royalties for the smallest size, I'd need to sell 5x to 8x to make up for a single IS XS sale.

For the time being, for me, it still makes sense to stay exclusive. The alternatives out there aren't as good as they were when I left (except for SS). But IS surely seems to be doing its best to de-motivate its contributors at every opportunity.

« Reply #310 on: December 28, 2012, 04:52 »
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Did they change something with the credit levels?  My total has just gone up by 600 taking me well into level 5.  I am having a BME there but it seems to have gone up by more than I expected it to.

Poncke

« Reply #311 on: December 28, 2012, 05:05 »
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Nope still level 2, no increase in credits, still dropping them after next pay out

CD123

« Reply #312 on: December 28, 2012, 06:02 »
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Did they change something with the credit levels?  My total has just gone up by 600 taking me well into level 5.  I am having a BME there but it seems to have gone up by more than I expected it to.

You might be one of the few "large file" credit increase fortunates, but only picked up on your changed credit level now. The increase sounds very much like that.

CD123

« Reply #313 on: December 28, 2012, 06:07 »
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Did they change something with the credit levels?  My total has just gone up by 600 taking me well into level 5.  I am having a BME there but it seems to have gone up by more than I expected it to.

I stand corrected! Checked mine +100? Something did happen. Not much but it did.... They might just have used a proportional sales amount from Dec. 2012, instead of using Des. 2011 figures.

« Reply #314 on: December 28, 2012, 06:11 »
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Did they change something with the credit levels?  My total has just gone up by 600 taking me well into level 5.  I am having a BME there but it seems to have gone up by more than I expected it to.

You might be one of the few "large file" credit increase fortunates, but only picked up on your changed credit level now. The increase sounds very much like that.
I had a PEL, an LEL and a 200mb sale this month so maybe that is what made the difference.  My earnings at 123 have equalled my earnings at Fotolia this month.   So in answer to the people that wondered why I am not going to drop 123, why would I when I didn't drop Fotolia when they did something similar?
It's all well and good to talk about the long run of things but I need to pay my bills now. Like many of us I'm in no postiton financially to make a stand  and the agencies know this!!
« Last Edit: December 28, 2012, 06:23 by fotografer »

CD123

« Reply #315 on: December 28, 2012, 06:55 »
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Glad you made it to 5. Mine is unfortunately on 3, but that does not change how much the income also means to me.  :-\

« Reply #316 on: December 28, 2012, 07:02 »
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Glad you made it to 5. Mine is unfortunately on 3, but that does not change how much the income also means to me.  :-\
Thank you. I hope that you can soon go up a level.

« Reply #317 on: December 28, 2012, 07:34 »
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I get the message. 123 only want Yuri type lifestyle stuff, they're not interested in having any LCV niches filled up, they want buyers to go elsewhere for those. I don't do lifestyle so I'm not really wanted over there. I've deleted a few of my niche files and stopped uploading while I consider what to do next. It was only two or three percent of my income, anyway, and now they're chopping it back to something like 1.5% to 2.5% so I won't even notice it if I let the files there just die of old age, but perhaps I should remove those which deal with unique material to avoid competing with myself elsewhere.
 

CD123

« Reply #318 on: December 28, 2012, 09:38 »
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I get the message. 123 only want Yuri type lifestyle stuff, they're not interested in having any LCV niches filled up, they want buyers to go elsewhere for those. I don't do lifestyle so I'm not really wanted over there. I've deleted a few of my niche files and stopped uploading while I consider what to do next. It was only two or three percent of my income, anyway, and now they're chopping it back to something like 1.5% to 2.5% so I won't even notice it if I let the files there just die of old age, but perhaps I should remove those which deal with unique material to avoid competing with myself elsewhere.

Somehow I think the guys withdrawing or withholding their images are already impacting them (or it might just be the holiday's lack of of uploads), but I got a 2 hour yesterday and today a 5 min. review time.

« Reply #319 on: December 28, 2012, 11:21 »
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I've just realised - because I never paid any attention to their rejections - that a large number of my niche Qatar images were rejected by them, anyway, so they really didn't want buyers of niche subjects there. That will be why I am three credits short of their 45% level.

CD123

« Reply #320 on: December 28, 2012, 11:47 »
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I've just realised - because I never paid any attention to their rejections - that a large number of my niche Qatar images were rejected by them, anyway, so they really didn't want buyers of niche subjects there. That will be why I am three credits short of their 45% level.

They are only 1.5 to 2.5% of your income and you are 3 credits away from level 4. I'd love to take your port over at 123RF - please  ;D (you won't feel a thing)  ;)

« Reply #321 on: December 28, 2012, 12:32 »
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My total went up by about 200 but it doesn't take me to level 5. The only things I'd care about are dropping the noxious system completely (in which case I'd have a ton of uploading to do) or making things even worse such that I'd get even less than the currently promised 45% starting Jan 1 (in which case I'd have a ton of deleting to do).

I don't think this month's sales should make any difference because they supposedly make one calculation at the end of the month, according to what they wrote. Possibly they've given some more "bonuses" to the calculation trying to mollify contributors?


« Reply #322 on: December 28, 2012, 12:43 »
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Did they change something with the credit levels?  My total has just gone up by 600 taking me well into level 5.  I am having a BME there but it seems to have gone up by more than I expected it to.

I'm pretty good into level 5 and having a BME too. Alright now.

« Reply #323 on: December 28, 2012, 12:52 »
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Did they change something with the credit levels?  My total has just gone up by 600 taking me well into level 5.  I am having a BME there but it seems to have gone up by more than I expected it to.

I'm pretty good into level 5 and having a BME too. Alright now.
Glad to hear it.  Have you made a decision about whether to stay or not yet?

CD123

« Reply #324 on: December 28, 2012, 12:54 »
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My total went up by about 200 but it doesn't take me to level 5. The only things I'd care about are dropping the noxious system completely (in which case I'd have a ton of uploading to do) or making things even worse such that I'd get even less than the currently promised 45% starting Jan 1 (in which case I'd have a ton of deleting to do).

I don't think this month's sales should make any difference because they supposedly make one calculation at the end of the month, according to what they wrote. Possibly they've given some more "bonuses" to the calculation trying to mollify contributors?

Anybody's guess now, until they tell us what they did. Want to let the cat out of the bag Alex?


 

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