I think that a few will but I still think that the majority will just carry on as before. I don't think that any survey about it done here is a good representation of the contributors as  most people won't know the facts of it as well as those of us that read these forums.

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 If a nothing site like 123 gets away with it, we can expect the rest of them to cut our pay too.

I'm definitely not going to allow a pissant little microstock company to walk all over me.

Quote from: fotografer on December 20, 2012, 09:45

No not really.  I'm saying that if it happened at somewhere like Stockfresh, cutcaster or GL where I don't make a payout each month then I probably wouldn't even notice unless I read it here.   I think that there are 1000s of people particularly that don't speak English that upload and don't get involved at all in the way the site works and they will just keep on uploading as usual.   I'm not in anyway saying that it is right what they are doing but just that they know that it won't make much of an impact by not attacking the top players.

There are a lot of people here on the forum that don't make a payout each month but they still care about being shafted.  If anything, the ones that don't make a monthly payout are the ones that can easily leave.  Think about it.  If they're not making a payout in a month, it's going to take them even longer to reach it so walking out after the change won't have a big impact in their earnings. 

Lol and what's English got to do with money?  Surely you're not assuming that 80% of contributors are brainless dolts or that anyone who doesn't read or participate in these forums have no clue what they're doing or what's going on.  Sorry but that's a little arrogant.  I never participated in these forums for years.  I read it every now and then but frankly I didn't have the time for it.  I still knew exactly what was going on with my money.

And another thing, don�t forget that 123 hasn't been around as long as the big players.  There are probably many successful photographers on other sites who only recently joined them and won't give a second thought about leaving them after pulling this stunt.

Quote from: grafix04 on December 20, 2012, 10:13

Quote from: fotografer on December 20, 2012, 09:45

No not really.  I'm saying that if it happened at somewhere like Stockfresh, cutcaster or GL where I don't make a payout each month then I probably wouldn't even notice unless I read it here.   I think that there are 1000s of people particularly that don't speak English that upload and don't get involved at all in the way the site works and they will just keep on uploading as usual.   I'm not in anyway saying that it is right what they are doing but just that they know that it won't make much of an impact by not attacking the top players.

There are a lot of people here on the forum that don't make a payout each month but they still care about being shafted.  If anything, the ones that don't make a monthly payout are the ones that can easily leave.  Think about it.  If they're not making a payout in a month, it's going to take them even longer to reach it so walking out after the change won't have a big impact in their earnings. 

Lol and what's English got to do with money?  Surely you're not assuming that 80% of contributors are brainless dolts or that anyone who doesn't read or participate in these forums have no clue what they're doing or what's going on.  Sorry but that's a little arrogant.  I never participated in these forums for years.  I read it every now and then but frankly I didn't have the time for it.  I still knew exactly what was going on with my money.

And another thing, don�t forget that 123 hasn't been around as long as the big players.  There are probably many successful photographers on other sites who only recently joined them and won't give a second thought about leaving them after pulling this stunt.

I think fotographer is dead on.  We gather here and argue everything from commissions to shutter speeds and tend to assume that we are the microstock world. 
There are thousands and maybe millions of microstock contributors who have never heard of MSG and probably another couple of hundred who don't give a dam n or have found the negative vibes too prominent to get involved.

123 knows that.  and so does iStock.  We're just pissin' in the wind.

Agreed.  The whole argument is moot.  Just like any religious or political issue, WE KNOW.  No amount of argument is going to change that.

Quote from: WarrenPrice on December 20, 2012, 10:20

I think fotographer is dead on.  We gather here and argue everything from commissions to shutter speeds and tend to assume that we are the microstock world. 
There are thousands and maybe millions of microstock contributors who have never heard of MSG and probably another couple of hundred who don't give a dam n or have found the negative vibes too prominent to get involved.

123 knows that.  and so does iStock.  We're just pissin' in the wind.

  Are you another one saying that people won't notice their royalties being cut because they don't read MSG?  Of course they will notice. 

I think fotographer is dead on.  We gather here and argue everything from commissions to shutter speeds and tend to assume that we are the microstock world. 
There are thousands and maybe millions of microstock contributors who have never heard of MSG and probably another couple of hundred who don't give a dam n or have found the negative vibes too prominent to get involved.

123 knows that.  and so does iStock.  We're just pissin' in the wind.

That's exactly what I'm saying.  I have a few sites that I upload to as it is so easy but don't make much money there.  I only go to the sites every couple of months to see if I have sold enough to make a payout and just look at total earnings not individual sales.  If it wasn't for the fact that I regularly read these forums I would have no idea if they had a commission cut or not. I suspect that there are 100s or 1000s of people that are like that.

Quote from: grafix04 on December 20, 2012, 12:26

  I didn't say I know what 80% of 123's contributors are going to do like fotografer seems to know.

Nor did I say that I know what 80% of the people will do just that I think it is unrealistic to think that enough people will leave to do the site much if any harm.

Quote from: fotografer on December 20, 2012, 10:50

That's exactly what I'm saying.  I have a few sites that I upload to as it is so easy but don't make much money there.  I only go to the sites every couple of months to see if I have sold enough to make a payout and just look at total earnings not individual sales.  If it wasn't for the fact that I regularly read these forums I would have no idea if they had a commission cut or not. I suspect that there are 100s or 1000s of people that are like that.

Ah I see.  But maybe if you didn't read MSG, you wouldn't rely on others here pointing things out and you would check your finances yourself... because you had to

Again, it's not the "80%" that will make a difference but the 80% of the "20%", who have accounts on the big 4 and who will have their commissions cut.