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Agency Based Discussion => 123RF => Topic started by: CD123 on January 12, 2013, 17:34

Title: How is your sales?
Post by: CD123 on January 12, 2013, 17:34
My sales MTD is only about half of what it used to be. Wondering if it is just a January thing, just my port or are they hurting a bit? How is your sales so far? 
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: estike on January 12, 2013, 17:41
SS, IS, FT, DT and DP are very good. More Downloads til now than the whole Jan of last year.  8)
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: CD123 on January 12, 2013, 18:06
SS, IS, FT, DT and DP are very good. More Downloads til now than the whole Jan of last year.  8)
But what about 123RF?
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: sgoodwin4813 on January 12, 2013, 18:27
Mine are OK - slightly more sales than last year but a lower return per sale.  Had a print EL for $16.63 and getting subs sales for 25 cents at level 2.  Better than December and on pace for a BME if I get another EL.
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: CJ6 on January 12, 2013, 19:00
Sales are half of what they used to be, contrary to my top 3 earners, the rest don't really matter. And I'm getting 10% less in royalties than last year on top of that (I'm at 45%). I'm thinking of closing my account, after all, I've stopped uploading a while ago and now I'm getting more refunds every month that I've gotten on all other sites combined in 3 years :O
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: estike on January 12, 2013, 19:27
SS, IS, FT, DT and DP are very good. More Downloads til now than the whole Jan of last year.  8)
But what about 123RF?
Bad  ::)
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: disorderly on January 12, 2013, 19:32
Mine are pretty darn good.  18% of my total for the month behind SS (44%) and well ahead of iStock at 9%.  Running 40% ahead of Jan 2011, even though the second half of the month will likely beat the first half by a wide margin.  Helps that I just squeaked into level 5 for the year, so I haven't lost any royalty points.
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: gillian vann on January 13, 2013, 01:06
I only check in once a week to have a look, it's too sad.
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: CD123 on January 13, 2013, 01:17
Mine are pretty darn good.  18% of my total for the month behind SS (44%) and well ahead of iStock at 9%.  Running 40% ahead of Jan 2011, even though the second half of the month will likely beat the first half by a wide margin.  Helps that I just squeaked into level 5 for the year, so I haven't lost any royalty points.

At which level are you?
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: heywoody on January 13, 2013, 05:32
Welcome back Charl

DLs on 123 are ok but earnings are totally pathetic - an SS sub looks good in comparison (and there are a hell of a lot more of them).  For comparison, 123 have so far provided > twice the number of DLs that DT has but only 20% of the income.  Dumping them after next payout.
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: CD123 on January 13, 2013, 06:25
Welcome back Charl

DLs on 123 are ok but earnings are totally pathetic - an SS sub looks good in comparison (and there are a hell of a lot more of them).  For comparison, 123 have so far provided > twice the number of DLs that DT has but only 20% of the income.  Dumping them after next payout.
Thank you for the welcome. My DL's and obviously income has dropped. The first might be just co-incidence with my port and obviously the latter we are all feeling.
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: ruchos on January 13, 2013, 06:38
Photo downloads at 123rf have dried up for me, and I get a pittance whenever a sale does happen.

Video downloads are very sporadic, and regularly end up very under priced for what I should get, for which support like to say it's because of 'promotional credits' or something of the like that they give out.
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: Dan on January 13, 2013, 07:39
  2  subs   (3rd  and  11th.)  Not  good  but  they  did  pass  DT  in  numer  of  sales  overall.
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: Poncke on January 13, 2013, 16:26
  2  subs   (3rd  and  11th.)  Not  good  but  they  did  pass  DT  in  numer  of  sales  overall.
So you had 1 sale on DT?
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: Dan on January 14, 2013, 07:11
     No  DT  and  123rf  were  tied  with  7  sales.  The  sale  on  the  11th  by  123rf  put  them  at  8-7   over  Dt.
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: Noedelhap on January 14, 2013, 18:13
123RF sales are non-existent, last one was over a week ago.
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: Poncke on January 14, 2013, 18:19
9 sales, 2.99, this month. This is such a sloooooow death for me, I need to wait another 35 dollar before I can get my port down.  8)
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: tab62 on January 14, 2013, 18:23
only 12 sales on 123RF- do you think they did a deal with Google?
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: CD123 on January 14, 2013, 18:53
only 12 sales on 123RF- do you think they did a deal with Google?
Why go to the trouble, they are virtually giving our photos away themselves in any case.
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: mayaartist on January 16, 2013, 06:26
for this moth I have 40 sales for 15.36$ (to compare for the December 2012 I had 45 sales for 29.17$). I'm level 2 unfortunately  :(

It's so bad. I'm thinking of deleting my port from 123rf 
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: chrisroll on January 16, 2013, 07:56
Sales are 30% less of what they have been in january 2012  :(

http://christophe-rolland.artistwebsites.com/ (http://christophe-rolland.artistwebsites.com/)
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: Poncke on January 16, 2013, 14:23
Sales are 30% less of what they have been in january 2012  :(

[url]http://christophe-rolland.artistwebsites.com/[/url] ([url]http://christophe-rolland.artistwebsites.com/[/url])
Where? FAA or 123
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: sarah2 on January 17, 2013, 07:58
Sales at 123 remain truly pitiful despite their promises of great expansion........
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: Reaktori on January 17, 2013, 08:22
Same ass all other places: really bad..
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: pancaketom on January 17, 2013, 13:01
I thought they promised sales would be times 2, not divided by 2 as appears to be the case.
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: CD123 on January 17, 2013, 13:08
I thought they promised sales would be times 2, not divided by 2 as appears to be the case.
I think the x2 forecast was actually for 2012, in anticipation of the commission cut. No promises for 2013. Guess they anticipated massive growth in sales for 2013 due to their price cut. 
As forecasted, I think they are going to find out that price is only one third of the cookie and everyone might be paying the price for their misplaced marketing strategy. Well the year is young. Will wait an see how this is going to pan out.
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: mayaartist on January 17, 2013, 13:52
The big problem in my case that's I got more sales but almost 40% less money which is not acceptable. (I'm level 2 after cut)
I deactivated more than half of my portfolio.(yesterday and today)
It's just sad.
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: heywoody on January 17, 2013, 15:24
I thought they promised sales would be times 2, not divided by 2 as appears to be the case.
I think the x2 forecast was actually for 2012, in anticipation of the commission cut. No promises for 2013. Guess they anticipated massive growth in sales for 2013 due to their price cut. 
As forecasted, I think they are going to find out that price is only one third of the cookie and everyone might be paying the price for their misplaced marketing strategy. Well the year is young. Will wait an see how this is going to pan out.

I don't believe there's been a price cut??  Commission cut certainly - too small a cut of too small a price at too low a volume.  8 bucks to payout so guess my port will be there til around March  ;D
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: CD123 on January 17, 2013, 15:25
Currently in 6th position on the polls. Will be VERY interesting to see where they are end of the month.
Think many contributors is waiting to look at their bottom line end Jan. to make a final decision to stay or leave. Just have the feeling that if they drop more than 2 positions the drop will be out of control after that, as contributors will leave more and more (as it will influence their pockets less and less). Will probably be in exchange for which ever site might be next in line to be promoted to the middle tier.
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: CD123 on January 17, 2013, 15:27
I thought they promised sales would be times 2, not divided by 2 as appears to be the case.
I think the x2 forecast was actually for 2012, in anticipation of the commission cut. No promises for 2013. Guess they anticipated massive growth in sales for 2013 due to their price cut. 
As forecasted, I think they are going to find out that price is only one third of the cookie and everyone might be paying the price for their misplaced marketing strategy. Well the year is young. Will wait an see how this is going to pan out.

I don't believe there's been a price cut??  Commission cut certainly - too small a cut of too small a price at too low a volume.  8 bucks to payout so guess my port will be there til around March  ;D
Did they not put out an ad or being boasting to be the cheapest RF site now?
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: Monty-m-gue on January 17, 2013, 15:41
I thought they promised sales would be times 2, not divided by 2 as appears to be the case.
I think the x2 forecast was actually for 2012, in anticipation of the commission cut. No promises for 2013. Guess they anticipated massive growth in sales for 2013 due to their price cut. 
As forecasted, I think they are going to find out that price is only one third of the cookie and everyone might be paying the price for their misplaced marketing strategy. Well the year is young. Will wait an see how this is going to pan out.

I don't believe there's been a price cut??  Commission cut certainly - too small a cut of too small a price at too low a volume.  8 bucks to payout so guess my port will be there til around March  ;D
Did they not put out an ad or being boasting to be the cheapest RF site now?

Right on their Homepage they advertise themselves as being the "low price leader for RF content" .
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: heywoody on January 18, 2013, 04:43
Did they not put out an ad or being boasting to be the cheapest RF site now?

They were always cheap - consider how 123commissions @ 50% compare to non-sub commissions from the top 4, even FT, with their lower %
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: bobkeenan on January 30, 2013, 11:47
123 RF has always been a sleeper for me and ranks about 4th in my portfolio.  BUT in Jan they took off for some reason and are now 2nd for me?  Have no idea why.
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: sgoodwin4813 on January 30, 2013, 17:24
I'm having a BME for # of sales but about third best for $$.  I used to like them but now it makes me sick to look at the low returns since I am at level 2.  Had a small for 14 cents this week and an XL for $1.05 - pathetic, along with the measly 0.25 subs, and most are subs nowadays.  Had an EL for $16.63 this month but that is a lot less than almost anywhere else.  I've stopped uploading and will decide whether to continue with them during the next month or two.
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: Monty-m-gue on January 30, 2013, 17:28
I'm having a BME for # of sales but about third best for $$.  I used to like them but now it makes me sick to look at the low returns since I am at level 2.  Had a small for 14 cents this week and an XL for $1.05 - pathetic, along with the measly 0.25 subs, and most are subs nowadays.  Had an EL for $16.63 this month but that is a lot less than almost anywhere else.  I've stopped uploading and will decide whether to continue with them during the next month or two.

I'm in exactly the same position. level 2. Sales good, prices insulting. I've sold more files this month than ever before but I've made less money than when I had half the number of files in my portfolio. I haven't uploaded anything since 1st January and I'm still deciding what to do with 123rf for the long term...but it's not looking good.
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: klsbear on January 30, 2013, 18:07
I have a couple more DL's than last Janauary but half the $ amount due to being level 2.  It doesn't help that there have been an increase in the Subs sales and I'm seeing less on the larger sizes in the credit level.  Discouraging - not feeling the love here anymore.
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: Poncke on January 30, 2013, 18:10
Stopped uploading in November. I have the same amount of sales each month. Around 25. I made a tenner this month. Lowest sale was 22 cent. I need 30 dollar more to payout and then delete my portfolio. By the way. Keeping money because you havent reached payout yet is pure and simple theft. Its criminal, if I signed up for it or not. Its my money, threshold or not. 123 is pure scum, DT as well.
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: djpadavona on January 30, 2013, 18:15
On pace for a WME. Unbelievably bad. Can't wait to close my account, but it might be a long wait to make the next payout.
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: CD123 on January 30, 2013, 18:18
So far everything going as forecasted.
1. More sales for the ones who stayed on (less contributors + new uploads less so more sales for people contributing + possibly more subscription customers due to low price policy).
2. More subscription sales (increase in subscription customers due to low price policy).
3. Drop in income due to huge cut in commission and number of sales can not make up for loss (especially due to less out of contract sales as many are now contracted customers).

Next thing to happen:
1. Due to less out of contract sales (being replaced with subs) your rating might probably be worse that Jan. 2012, as the high score sales are less. This might cause your income percentage to drop even lower (if you are not at the lowest level already).
2. More contributors will leave or stop uploading as it becomes less and less profitable or worth their wile spending time uploading.
3. For a short period even more sales for the ones still holding out and uploading (bottom end of contributors now quickly falling out).
4. Major drop in new uploads over next 3 months and 123RF's name as one of the leading stock agencies are starting to get hurt by sub customers being unhappy with lack of new content).

Possible final outcome after 3 - 4 months:
1. 123RF succeeds in lining so many new subs up with their low pricing that the remaining top end contributor's sales double or triple, perhaps making it worth their while to stay on and upload more. 123RF's strategy has worked and they are pocketing. The industry is forced further down the tube with lower prices making it more and more difficult for contributors to keep head above water.
2. Dissatisfaction by both disappointed low cost chasing subscription customers, ending up with less and less new material and out of pocket contributors leaving the site, causes 123RF's demise.

Probability between outcome 1 and 2?

123RF's view probably 90% for 1, else they will not be doing it.
My view 75% outcome 2.
Apparent feedback on MSG and based on historic similar strategies 90% outcome 2.
Your view?

PS Inherent problem with outcome 1. Only existing high end contributors are finding it worth their while uploading, as they are on the high bracket. Newcomers will probably not find it worth their while to start uploading at such low percentage = no new contributors.

PS PS This is the longest post I have ever written - I hate posts longer than 3 paragraphs - sorry.  ;)
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: Poncke on January 30, 2013, 18:30
Its probably 1, but I am hoping 2. Really I am hoping they bring back the 50% and everybody happy. But really really hoping 2.
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: CD123 on January 30, 2013, 18:38
Its probably 1, but I am hoping 2. Really I am hoping they bring back the 50% and everybody happy. But really really hoping 2.
I assume you mean probably 2 (failure)? I think everyone who was dependent on them for a large portion of their income is hoping for 1, but with your provisio about the percentage. However, they are clearly so determined that the 50% will only be re-introduced if their strategy is a complete failure. By that time, I am sure, the iceberg would have been properly hit. 

Only time will tell........  :(
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: Poncke on January 30, 2013, 18:43
I mentioned option 2 twice, so you can safely say I m hoping 2 is the scenario thats going to unfold,
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: CD123 on January 30, 2013, 18:53
I mentioned option 2 twice, so you can safely say I m hoping 2 is the scenario thats going to unfold,
Interesting. Everyone here seemed so certain of their failure I did not think you are betting on their success. My bad  ;)
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: gillian vann on January 31, 2013, 01:10
unless they get a boost from new ex-exclusive iStock contributors?

Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: Poncke on January 31, 2013, 02:31
Its funny how people think, and this is not to flame or troll, just to point out something I just noticed. I get a -1 twice for hoping 123 fail. Yet when its said about IS, people get massive +1s

Which is fine, just noticed it.
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: nicku on January 31, 2013, 04:09
My sales MTD is only about half of what it used to be. Wondering if it is just a January thing, just my port or are they hurting a bit? How is your sales so far?

Mine are good... my 4th earner ( after SS, FT, DT and waaaay ahead of DepositPhotos) with monthly payments.
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: CD123 on January 31, 2013, 04:14
Its funny how people think, and this is not to flame or troll, just to point out something I just noticed. I get a -1 twice for hoping 123 fail. Yet when its said about IS, people get massive +1s

Which is fine, just noticed it.
This is what I find a real pain in the *ss about the - and + story (and you know how I feel about it). Instead of disagreeing and motivating your viewpoint, people now just press the "-" button.  Seen people going to a minus for just saying what happened to them (not even an opinion based post). This is why I left a few weeks back.
Just ignore the minus mafia.  ;)

PS You will also notice certain female posters getting 4-5 hearts for saying good morning.  ::)

PS PS On the other hand - it might not have been for your opinion, but just for your blunt answer  :P  ;)
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: CD123 on January 31, 2013, 04:22
unless they get a boost from new ex-exclusive iStock contributors?
Guess anything is possible in this madness at the moment. Hope they will rather join  sites with less issues at the moment ::)
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: sarah2 on January 31, 2013, 08:24
I'm also biding my time.
Back to level 2 despite an (!) EL this time last year which will now fall from the 12 month rating.....!
Dec just 26 sales $20
Jan 37 sales $18
Stopped uploading and watching.............
Sad..........
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: BaldricksTrousers on January 31, 2013, 09:24
So far, I'm 5% down in cash this year compared with last, but since my commission was cut, that means the value of my sales is slightly up. I'll be interested to see if they try to push me back down a level, regardless (I'm only 4 credits inside level 4 according to their calculation).
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: heywoody on January 31, 2013, 10:16
Similar DLs to FT with a smaller port but only 30% of the revenue - and folks say FT is cheap  ???  Not gonna make payout this month but should be disabling early Feb
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: CD123 on January 31, 2013, 11:19
So far, I'm 5% down in cash this year compared with last, but since my commission was cut, that means the value of my sales is slightly up. I'll be interested to see if they try to push me back down a level, regardless (I'm only 4 credits inside level 4 according to their calculation).
You would have to compare the types of sales against each other, because subs counts much less credits than the other types. So even if you break even cash wise, you might be short on a lot of credits if most sales are subs this time round.

The system calculates your level. So guess if you are 1 credit short, you would be 1 level down.
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: daveh900 on February 01, 2013, 14:22
My sales have been good. January was BME for me, even after having commissions cut (I'm level 4).

Substantially better sales at 123 than at DT, FT, and DP.
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: MisterElements on February 01, 2013, 14:28
My sales are awesome on 123! My 123 Jan 2013 was a 40% better then Jan 2012. My sales are steady and gaining monthly on 123rf!
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: dbvirago on February 01, 2013, 14:48
Above average, but about 20% less than a BME.
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: BaldricksTrousers on February 01, 2013, 14:55
So far, I'm 5% down in cash this year compared with last, but since my commission was cut, that means the value of my sales is slightly up. I'll be interested to see if they try to push me back down a level, regardless (I'm only 4 credits inside level 4 according to their calculation).
You would have to compare the types of sales against each other, because subs counts much less credits than the other types. So even if you break even cash wise, you might be short on a lot of credits if most sales are subs this time round.

The system calculates your level. So guess if you are 1 credit short, you would be 1 level down.

It says I'm three short, but by my calculations I'm actually exactly on 2,000 so I've protested again. I think they may have posted a couple of sales after the monthly calculation was done.
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: CD123 on February 01, 2013, 20:41
So far, I'm 5% down in cash this year compared with last, but since my commission was cut, that means the value of my sales is slightly up. I'll be interested to see if they try to push me back down a level, regardless (I'm only 4 credits inside level 4 according to their calculation).
You would have to compare the types of sales against each other, because subs counts much less credits than the other types. So even if you break even cash wise, you might be short on a lot of credits if most sales are subs this time round.

The system calculates your level. So guess if you are 1 credit short, you would be 1 level down.

It says I'm three short, but by my calculations I'm actually exactly on 2,000 so I've protested again. I think they may have posted a couple of sales after the monthly calculation was done.
Heck, I hope they can just give you the 3 little credits if not already earned!
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: Mantis on February 01, 2013, 21:40
It's not surprising that 123 admins don't bother to participate in the forums anymore....they can't take the verbal fact bashing because their commission cuts are indefensible. In am at level 4 now even though their stupid calculator told me I was at level 5.  Bad January there and I don't expect it to get any better there...ever.
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: CD123 on February 02, 2013, 07:31
About same amount but obtained from more sales. Prediction and analysis therefore still unchanged. Going to get interesting over next 3 months.
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: Canonbabe on February 03, 2013, 04:58
My sales have been good. January was BME for me, even after having commissions cut (I'm level 4).

Substantially better sales at 123 than at DT, FT, and DP.


Same here, hope I can check my sales again today....site is still down for maintenance:( :'(
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: 08stock08 on February 03, 2013, 06:28
Many microstock sites are changing many things these days. I noticed changes in DT and now 123rf. Some more changes are awaited. The world is changing very fast. Microstock market is behaving like Google Panda update after-effects on content farming. The interesting part is, some of the operators are same in this game as well.
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: Dan on February 07, 2013, 11:16
     Well  i  had  my  1st  sale  of  2013  today  (sub  .18)  but  3rd  time  it  sold  this  year.  I'm  not  really  a  big  player  at  this  and  i  upload  very  sparingly.  But  it  is  my  best  seller  through  all  agencys.  I  guess  i'll  take  one  day   at  a  time  and  give  it  till  the  end  of  the  year  to  improve.
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: crashoran on February 07, 2013, 23:24
Just deleted my entire portfolio.
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: Tabimura on February 08, 2013, 01:26
Sales are good. Level 5 here.
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: luissantos84 on February 27, 2013, 20:58
123RF is working things UP as they promised ;D

February 2012 - 113.98$ (127 downloads)
February 2013 - 58.41$ (85 downloads)
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: jatrax on February 27, 2013, 21:08
Keep working at it, soon you will be at my level.  (I can't go any lower) ;)
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: CD123 on February 28, 2013, 00:52
Can also not see much of a difference in sales volume. The problem with their price war strategy is that there is no turning back. If it does not work, we are screwed (not necessarily them, as the reduction come mostly from our pockets I think).

Edit: Corrected type-o
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: Poncke on February 28, 2013, 13:28
I do see a small increase in sales, but its peanuts.
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: Monty-m-gue on February 28, 2013, 17:57
It would be interesting to hear from someone at 123rf. Perhaps they would like to tell us how they think things are going from their perspective - now that we are 2 months into the new regime.

Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: luissantos84 on February 28, 2013, 18:55
It would be interesting to hear from someone at 123rf. Perhaps they would like to tell us how they think things are going from their perspective - now that we are 2 months into the new regime.

no need to ask, they are doing fine, more money than before from us so I believe we shouldn't worry about them ;D
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: noodle on February 28, 2013, 19:02
It would be interesting to hear from someone at 123rf. Perhaps they would like to tell us how they think things are going from their perspective - now that we are 2 months into the new regime.
They would probably say sales have never been better, growing every month, with tons more growth to come in the foreseeable future, things have never been brighter....
oh , some con tributors who are not enjoying growing sales with us, would be encouraged to keep uploading quality images and keep building up your portfolio, so as to ensure that you benefit from our hard work we put into getting sales and customers...

yada yada yada

same $.it  - different pile
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: Dan on March 08, 2013, 16:40
     Well  my  123rf  sales  in  Feb  were  2 1/4  plus  1  cent  over  Jan  Things  may  be  picking  up.
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: MisterElements on March 08, 2013, 18:13
Whatever 123rf is doing I love it. Very Fast review times and awesome growth. If the next 3 weeks this month are as good on 123rf as the first I'll have a BME on 123rf. I've been on 123rf for 6 years and the last 24 mos have been just getting better and better! Thank you 123rf!
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: Poncke on March 09, 2013, 05:05
     Well  my  123rf  sales  in  Feb  were  2 1/4  plus  1  cent  over  Jan  Things  may  be  picking  up.
How many sales did you have on 123 so far?
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: BaldricksTrousers on March 09, 2013, 05:23
Well, I slithered further down this month.

Of course, they don't need to make any effort to boost sales now because if they do no differently than last year they'll achieve an amazing 30, 40 or 50% growth in profits.  They'd actually be stupid to do anything to boost sales this year because it would create a precedent for enormouse profit growth and as everyone in business knows, you don't want to raise the bosses expectations of what you can achieve.

I'm not uploading any longer. If they can't be bothered to make the effort to sell my work, why should I be bothered to supply it to them?
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: disorderly on March 09, 2013, 11:45
Not that I enjoy being a contrarian voice, but... oh, who am I kidding?  I enjoy the heck out of being contrarian.  Always have, and likely always will.

With that said, my results at 123RF are going like gangbusters.  January was double January 2012.  February was just shy of triple the previous year, and that's with one less day to the month.  Right now I'm on track to more than double March last year, although of course things can still fall apart.  But suffice it to say that at least for me 123 is doing very well.  Heck, this month they're ahead of Shutterstock, and that just doesn't happen!
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: CD123 on March 09, 2013, 12:44
Not that I enjoy being a contrarian voice, but... oh, who am I kidding?  I enjoy the heck out of being contrarian.  Always have, and likely always will.

With that said, my results at 123RF are going like gangbusters.  January was double January 2012.  February was just shy of triple the previous year, and that's with one less day to the month.  Right now I'm on track to more than double March last year, although of course things can still fall apart.  But suffice it to say that at least for me 123 is doing very well.  Heck, this month they're ahead of Shutterstock, and that just doesn't happen!
You are just reporting facts. If people do not like it, tough. My sales quantity were a bit up, but not enough to lift my rating by much. This month seems to have started faster than others, so will see how its going to turn out. I am 400 points of level 4 so I need a good numbers boost from last year to get there (not talking finances now). 
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: fotografer on March 09, 2013, 13:24
I'm another one that is doing well there at the moment. If the rest of the month goes like the first part then I will have a BME there by quite a lot. I have already made 50% of what I do in a normal month.
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: luissantos84 on March 09, 2013, 13:36
Not that I enjoy being a contrarian voice, but... oh, who am I kidding?  I enjoy the heck out of being contrarian.  Always have, and likely always will.

With that said, my results at 123RF are going like gangbusters.  January was double January 2012.  February was just shy of triple the previous year, and that's with one less day to the month.  Right now I'm on track to more than double March last year, although of course things can still fall apart.  But suffice it to say that at least for me 123 is doing very well.  Heck, this month they're ahead of Shutterstock, and that just doesn't happen!
You are just reporting facts. If people do not like it, tough. My sales quantity were a bit up, but not enough to lift my rating by much. This month seems to have started faster than others, so will see how its going to turn out. I am 400 points of level 4 so I need a good numbers boost from last year to get there (not talking finances now).

indeed facts! too bad they are for me half way what they were in 2012 :o
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: fotografer on March 09, 2013, 14:53
Not that I enjoy being a contrarian voice, but... oh, who am I kidding?  I enjoy the heck out of being contrarian.  Always have, and likely always will.

With that said, my results at 123RF are going like gangbusters.  January was double January 2012.  February was just shy of triple the previous year, and that's with one less day to the month.  Right now I'm on track to more than double March last year, although of course things can still fall apart.  But suffice it to say that at least for me 123 is doing very well.  Heck, this month they're ahead of Shutterstock, and that just doesn't happen!
You are just reporting facts. If people do not like it, tough. My sales quantity were a bit up, but not enough to lift my rating by much. This month seems to have started faster than others, so will see how its going to turn out. I am 400 points of level 4 so I need a good numbers boost from last year to get there (not talking finances now).

indeed facts! too bad they are for me half way what they were in 2012 :o
Unfortunately that's common in microstock. At fotolia my earnings dropped to about 20% of the good old days while other people were reporting increases.  It now seems to be my turn at FT as I am starting to go up again while others are reporting decreasing sales. When some are reporting increasing sales and some decreasing then it is usually all down to best match order.  It can make or break you.
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: CD123 on March 09, 2013, 16:52
Facts differ a lot from contributor to contributor. It is just a shame that people reporting good sales are sometimes nearly treated hostile for perhaps being out of sync with the general negative thread vibe around.

Just saying, nobody should ever apologize for reporting good sales (even if the site has been branded as one of the "bad apples"). A $ from 123RF can buy just as much as a $ from SS......  ;)
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: Dan on March 10, 2013, 14:19
     Having  had  a  good  JAN/FEB  MAR  is  not  going  too  well.  Still  a  long  way  to  go  im  the  month,  so  things  will  hopefully  pick  up.
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: Poncke on March 10, 2013, 14:31
     Having  had  a  good  JAN/FEB  MAR  is  not  going  too  well.  Still  a  long  way  to  go  im  the  month,  so  things  will  hopefully  pick  up.
How many DLs did you have in Jan and Feb? Just curious.
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: luissantos84 on March 10, 2013, 14:47
Well  i  had  my  1st  sale  of  2013  today  (sub  .18)  but  3rd  time  it  sold  this  year.  I'm  not  really  a  big  player  at  this  and  i  upload  very  sparingly.  But  it  is  my  best  seller  through  all  agencys.  I  guess  i'll  take  one  day   at  a  time  and  give  it  till  the  end  of  the  year  to  improve.
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: pancaketom on March 10, 2013, 16:13
Sales are about the same as last year, $ are less for me, more for them. It seems that actual $ per sale are even lower than the % drop would suggest. Probably some sort of promotional discount which comes out of our take also instead of out of their marketing budget like it should.
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: Poncke on March 23, 2013, 03:59
I am really on the fence now. My sales have basically tripled, still not much $$ but the numbers are up. BME few days ago already, in DLs and $$. Last month was good too. If April shows the same trend, I might start uploading again. I stopped back in November so I have about 160 images they never got. But I dont want to reward an agency for being greedy bastids. What to do.
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: Microbius on March 23, 2013, 04:10
Bumped to level 6 this month, which is nice
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: CD123 on March 23, 2013, 04:58
Also having a good month with them, but March was last year also my best month (and on its way with all site total so far this month as well). So I will not get excited unless followed up by a good April as well.
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: fotografer on March 23, 2013, 08:39
I'm on course to beat my previous BME by about 10%.  March last year was not at all impressive.  I made more 8 other months in the last 12 than I did in March.
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: heywoody on March 23, 2013, 13:02
I am really on the fence now. My sales have basically tripled, still not much $$ but the numbers are up. BME few days ago already, in DLs and $$. Last month was good too. If April shows the same trend, I might start uploading again. I stopped back in November so I have about 160 images they never got. But I dont want to reward an agency for being greedy bastids. What to do.

If you don't want to rewards and agency for being bastids you don't upload anything more and delete what is there already - I wonder how many have actually followed through on statements made towards the end of last year?  I'm certainly not going to upload any more with the current RC system unless they change it to something that rewards performance per image instead of just port size and there is a better than average chance I'll delete what's there one I resolve the day job situation.
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: pancaketom on March 23, 2013, 14:55
Sales numbers seem to be about steady but $the are much lower. About 1/3 of march 2012 for me at the moment. Unless there are some serious sales I will most likely be under 50%200 pf march 2012 $for total but more sales. On another note I went up a level but as far as I could tell (sub sales) they didn't move me up. I wrote to them and they said they would look into it but I didn't hear back. When I checked sales this time I see they retroactively changed my subs. I didn't record the other sales values and with their opaque values I don't know if those are right.
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: Smithore on March 25, 2013, 07:55
March is normally my best month, but my 123RF sales are very low this month for the first time, only 30% of February, I'm planning to close my account if they  killed the site.   >:(
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: Dan on March 25, 2013, 08:20
     Even  though  i  sell  very  little  everywhere  -  123rf  has  been  slow  but  my  biggest  sale  of  year  came  this  month.  Go  figure. 
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: CD123 on March 25, 2013, 10:01
Quite a mixed bag this month, judged by the feedback so far. Some much improved, some same, some worse.  Just shows how different experiences can be and how one can not really tell another what to do. Ports differ and what is good for one is not necessarily good for another. I think anyone on level 5 or 6 and having good sales must be a brain donor to close their accounts (unless you really do not need the money and can afford to make a point about reducing commissions).
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: trucic on March 25, 2013, 11:08
Very, very bad months after last changes and RC level introduction. My sales are on lowest level ever - I think that my first month, with just few uploaded files was better than first 3 months of 2013! Think of closing my account there and I`ll not wait long - step one, cancelling their partner sites to gain anything from my content. Step two is next... Shame on 123rf!
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: JPSDK on March 25, 2013, 11:56
sales are the same as they always were. Quite low.

And now they have taken ½ of my commision, so Im only waiting for a few dollars to reach payout.
Then Ill delete my port.
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: morning.light on March 26, 2013, 08:26
I'm starting to like this website. My sales were 0 for months, to the point that I wasn't submitting anything anymore and I wanted to delete my account. And then I made one final effort and I uploaded all the files that I didn't want to upload for a while. Then I had my  first sale one week ago. Three more sales followed ( and 2 of them were credit sales ). So I'm liking the situation right now. I'm happy with 0.80 sales considering I mostly get 0.25 - 0.30 sales on other websites.
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: mike123 on March 26, 2013, 09:30
Sales are a little worse than 2012. It's ok, considering the fact that I deleted some of my best / most unique files on Jan 1, 2013 when the RC system went online and sent me down to level 1. I also stopped uploading new stuff on the same day.

Finally reached payout few days ago and will close the account shortly.
I think I could have reached level 2 quite easily by now if I didn't delete anything and kept uploading, but even a 35% cut of their very low prices just doesn't seem feasible to me..
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: modviz on March 26, 2013, 09:43
I continued to upload with a "wait and see" attitude
but made a pact with myself that if they're going to
pay me cr@p they better approve everything I throw
at them - the bad along with the good.

Upon my first rejection three weeks ago I stopped
uploading and I'm slowly in the process of dismantling
my portfolio.

You've got to ask yourself - how much value is there
in your body of work? And the amount of time you
invest in creating, setting up and presenting your
creative work? Do you really want to take an opportunity
away from another agency that will pay you far more
for your work?
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: heywoody on March 26, 2013, 10:16
This month's RPI for top 4 expressed as a % of 123

FT 188%
DT 356%
SS 786%
IS 1344%
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: mike123 on March 26, 2013, 18:05
I'm right now in the process of deleting my images from 123RF. Not sure yet if I will close the account or just leave it there with 0 images.

But before I delete everything I wanted to retrieve my earnings statistics, preferably also with earnings per image. Just for my future reference, in case I need it one day...
But it seems they don't offer any downloadable statistics like a csv file or something similar. Or am I too stupid to find it?  :D
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: dbvirago on March 26, 2013, 19:16
While sales overall are looking good in March, 123 on track for worst month in over a year
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: daveh900 on March 27, 2013, 08:12
As of this morning, March 2013 is my BME at 123RF.  :D

I can understand why some people are frustrated, but why delete your portfolio? Stop uploading if you don't think it's worth your time, but deleting approved images seems silly.

I can't stand Dreamstime and stopped uploading a while ago because of their lame policies, but I still have enough action to get a payout from them every 2-3 months. Leave your files up and make a little money. If it takes a year to reach a payout... it's still a payout.
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: modviz on March 27, 2013, 08:20
I can understand why some people are frustrated, but why delete your portfolio? Stop uploading if you don't think it's worth your time, but deleting approved images seems silly.

Simple. 123RF takes away sales from other agencies that pay-out a lot faster.
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: fotografer on March 27, 2013, 09:27
I can understand why some people are frustrated, but why delete your portfolio? Stop uploading if you don't think it's worth your time, but deleting approved images seems silly.

Simple. 123RF takes away sales from other agencies that pay-out a lot faster.
The trouble is that if I remove my port from anywhere it won't make the slightest difference to anybody except for me as I will lose out on my earnings there.   I'm 100% sure that no buyer is going to follow me around looking for my images is they are no longer at one particular site.   Unfortunately that is the truth of the matter.
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: modviz on March 27, 2013, 10:26
The trouble is that if I remove my port from anywhere it won't make the slightest difference to anybody except for me as I will lose out on my earnings there.   I'm 100% sure that no buyer is going to follow me around looking for my images is they are no longer at one particular site.   Unfortunately that is the truth of the matter.

Ok. Fair enought. How about....I think my body of work is worth more than 123RF is willing to pay me.
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: fotografer on March 27, 2013, 10:29
The trouble is that if I remove my port from anywhere it won't make the slightest difference to anybody except for me as I will lose out on my earnings there.   I'm 100% sure that no buyer is going to follow me around looking for my images is they are no longer at one particular site.   Unfortunately that is the truth of the matter.

Ok. Fair enought. How about....I think my body of work is worth more than 123RF is willing to pay me.
Yep that will do :D
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: mike123 on March 27, 2013, 11:11
I can understand why some people are frustrated, but why delete your portfolio? Stop uploading if you don't think it's worth your time, but deleting approved images seems silly.

Simple. 123RF takes away sales from other agencies that pay-out a lot faster.
The trouble is that if I remove my port from anywhere it won't make the slightest difference to anybody except for me as I will lose out on my earnings there.   I'm 100% sure that no buyer is going to follow me around looking for my images is they are no longer at one particular site.   Unfortunately that is the truth of the matter.

Well this is true for standard business handshake type images, but in my case I have some niche travel images in my port and by deleting those from 123RF I reduce the buyer's choice, hopefully driving him away to other agencies...  :)
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: daveh900 on March 27, 2013, 11:25
I can understand why some people are frustrated, but why delete your portfolio? Stop uploading if you don't think it's worth your time, but deleting approved images seems silly.

Simple. 123RF takes away sales from other agencies that pay-out a lot faster.
The trouble is that if I remove my port from anywhere it won't make the slightest difference to anybody except for me as I will lose out on my earnings there.   I'm 100% sure that no buyer is going to follow me around looking for my images is they are no longer at one particular site.   Unfortunately that is the truth of the matter.

Well this is true for standard business handshake type images, but in my case I have some niche travel images in my port and by deleting those from 123RF I reduce the buyer's choice, hopefully driving him away to other agencies...  :)

You can believe that if you want to.

I work in a place that uses a lot of stock images, so let me give you the perspective of one "buyer". Someone at my place of employment decided a while pack that BigStock was the place we'd purchase all of our stock images. They purchase a big pack of credits every few months or as needed. When we need an image, we use BigStock... period.

If there was an amazing image that was absolutely perfect for our project, we wouldn't know it existed if wasn't on BigStock.

I would imagine that same thing holds true for a lot of buyers. They have an agency of choice where they have an account and that is their first, if not only, place that they look for images.

123RF has loyal customers and they will not track you down at another agency if you delete your portfolio, because they will never know you even existed in the first place.


Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: mike123 on March 27, 2013, 12:40

Well this is true for standard business handshake type images, but in my case I have some niche travel images in my port and by deleting those from 123RF I reduce the buyer's choice, hopefully driving him away to other agencies...  :)

You can believe that if you want to.

I work in a place that uses a lot of stock images, so let me give you the perspective of one "buyer". Someone at my place of employment decided a while pack that BigStock was the place we'd purchase all of our stock images. They purchase a big pack of credits every few months or as needed. When we need an image, we use BigStock... period.

If there was an amazing image that was absolutely perfect for our project, we wouldn't know it existed if wasn't on BigStock.

I would imagine that same thing holds true for a lot of buyers. They have an agency of choice where they have an account and that is their first, if not only, place that they look for images.

123RF has loyal customers and they will not track you down at another agency if you delete your portfolio, because they will never know you even existed in the first place.

Thanks for the insight. Everybody has the right to have his own opinion. I will just ignore your personal comments.
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: Dan on March 27, 2013, 12:43
     Like  Dave900  -  March  is  BME at  123rf
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: daveh900 on March 27, 2013, 12:58

Thanks for the insight. Everybody has the right to have his own opinion. I will just ignore your personal comments.

What personal comments?

Do you need a hug?
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: modviz on March 27, 2013, 14:53
And as a final contribution to this topic (I promise).  ;D

Should I support a microstock company with the motto: "The low price leader for Royalty-Free content" ?

123RF, in my opinion, has a very narrow, uncreative, one-dimensional business sense. They feel the only way they can succeed is by offering their clients rock-bottom pricing.

Let's say they succeed.

Do you really think contributors won't be victimized again by them, or another agency who follows 123's example because 123 found success in squeezing the contributor?

That's why it's important 123RF fails. 123's failure will set a precedent whereby contributors have drawn a line in the sand and said...."my images are worth more than that." 



Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: daveh900 on March 27, 2013, 15:03
And as a final contribution to this topic (I promise).  ;D

Should I support a microstock company with the motto: "The low price leader for Royalty-Free content" ?

123RF, in my opinion, has a very narrow, uncreative, one-dimensional business sense. They feel the only way they can succeed is by offering their clients rock-bottom pricing.

Let's say they succeed.

Do you really think contributors won't be victimized again by them, or another agency who follows 123's example because 123 found success in squeezing the contributor?

That's why it's important 123RF fails. 123's failure will set a precedent whereby contributors have drawn a line in the sand and said...."my images are worth more than that."

A very valid argument.

However for me, 123RF is my second biggest earner. It's hard for me personally to justify a protest that will go largely unnoticed by 123RF and it's buyers. Call me a sell-out if you'd like... aren't we all sell-outs anyways?

Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: Dan on March 28, 2013, 14:02
  They're my  highest  earner  this  year  and  3rd  overall.  Again  like  daveh900  -  maybe  i'm  selling  also  out  but  each  month  has  gotten  better  and  better.  Will  stick  with  them  for  the  fore  seeable  future.
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: heywoody on March 28, 2013, 18:04
I have to ask...

If this site is anywhere higher than 5th for someone, what other sites are you submitting to and is there a big variation in port size?
Title: How is your sales?
Post by: disorderly on March 28, 2013, 18:19
They're #2 for me behind Shutterstock and more than 3X iStock at #3. I have a large port at the sites that don't throttle my uploads. (DT, I'm looking at you.). So yes, 123 really does earn me more than the rest.
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: klsbear on March 28, 2013, 22:01
Plodding along.... Sub sales are up but not at the expense of bigger sizes which are more or less the same.  Despite a 15% increase in downloads my income is down by 35% because my small portfolio isn't generating enough sales to climb the ranks.  Only saving grace at this point is that the increase downloads are helping my RC's to climb.  I'm selling enough larger sizes to keep the RPD falling below an unacceptable level so I'll stick it out for a bit.  They had been my #3 site prior to the changes.
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: fotografer on March 29, 2013, 04:48
I'm having a BME there with more credit sales than subs and an RPD of 90c(more than SS) so definitely won't be dropping them.
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: heywoody on March 29, 2013, 05:14
They're #2 for me behind Shutterstock and more than 3X iStock at #3. I have a large port at the sites that don't throttle my uploads. (DT, I'm looking at you.). So yes, 123 really does earn me more than the rest.

Looks like, compared to IS, a 40 times bigger port yields 3 times the revenue so RPI is roughly 1:12 which is approximately the same as I'm seeing.
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: Darren Green on March 29, 2013, 06:06

Ok. Fair enought. How about....I think my body of work is worth more than 123RF is willing to pay me.
Yep that will do :D
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Worth? Your body of work is only worth what someone is willing to pay to use it - Just because someone is willing to pay $2 to use an image from a site like 123rf it doesn't mean that they are willing to pay $100 for the same image from Alamy for example. They will simply buy another photographers work on the same subject.

I of course use worth purely in relation to monetary value -  you cant bring sentimental value into it when dealing with microstocks.

The only person you are doing a favor to by deleting your portfolios are other photographers as you are reducing their competition, so from a personal point of view I say delete all your profiles as that is less competition for me (last sentence said with tongue in cheek.)

The harsh truth of the matter is if you aren't earning enough for a payout each month with a particular site it is because your portfolio isn't strong or large enough.

Anyhow, happy Easter all :D
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: modviz on March 29, 2013, 06:47
Worth? Your body of work is only worth what someone is willing to pay to use it -

Dumb logic, DG. Sorry. Please don't quote me if you haven't read my entire contribution to this topic. If you want to feed an agency that thinks it can succeed by striping away contributor's earnings.....it's a free world (something 123 seems to be striving to achieve literally in the microstock industry).

If you, DG, want to compromise your body of work. It's your choice. "Sentimental value"? Huh?  :o
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: Dan on March 29, 2013, 07:05
heywoody.  I've  got  sales  on  5  other  sites  but  123rf  had  the  biggest  port.  Trying  to  increase  port  size  at   all  even  if   it  is  little  by  little. 
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: Poncke on March 29, 2013, 07:21
heywoody.  I've  got  sales  on  5  other  sites  but  123rf  had  the  biggest  port.  Trying  to  increase  port  size  at   all  even  if   it  is  little  by  little.
How big is your portfolio and how many sales did you get at 123 or the other sites?
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: fotografer on March 29, 2013, 08:54

Ok. Fair enought. How about....I think my body of work is worth more than 123RF is willing to pay me.
Yep that will do :D

Worth? Your body of work is only worth what someone is willing to pay to use it - Just because someone is willing to pay $2 to use an image from a site like 123rf it doesn't mean that they are willing to pay $100 for the same image from Alamy for example. They will simply buy another photographers work on the same subject.

I of course use worth purely in relation to monetary value -  you cant bring sentimental value into it when dealing with microstocks.

The only person you are doing a favor to by deleting your portfolios are other photographers as you are reducing their competition, so from a personal point of view I say delete all your profiles as that is less competition for me (last sentence said with tongue in cheek.)

The harsh truth of the matter is if you aren't earning enough for a payout each month with a particular site it is because your portfolio isn't strong or large enough.

Anyhow, happy Easter all :D
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I didn't say what you have quoted me as saying.
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: lisafx on March 29, 2013, 11:22
The harsh truth of the matter is if you aren't earning enough for a payout each month with a particular site it is because your portfolio isn't strong or large enough.


Wow, this is a WAY oversimplification.  It might be true of the top 6 or 8 sites, but there are small sites like GL, Stockfresh, etc. where there just is not the customer base to produce a payout each month for most contributors.  I get a payout about every other month from the small outliers that I contribute to.  And they have the same 7k of my images that the major sites have. 
Title: Re: How is your sales?
Post by: Poncke on March 29, 2013, 11:24
I guess a pay out every 6 months then is not so bad with only 700 images