Author Topic: How is your sales? (Read 27866 times)

mike123 · « **Reply #100 on:** March 26, 2013, 18:05 »

I'm right now in the process of deleting my images from 123RF. Not sure yet if I will close the account or just leave it there with 0 images.

But before I delete everything I wanted to retrieve my earnings statistics, preferably also with earnings per image. Just for my future reference, in case I need it one day...
But it seems they don't offer any downloadable statistics like a csv file or something similar. Or am I too stupid to find it?

dbvirago · « **Reply #101 on:** March 26, 2013, 19:16 »

While sales overall are looking good in March, 123 on track for worst month in over a year

daveh900 · « **Reply #102 on:** March 27, 2013, 08:12 »

As of this morning, March 2013 is my BME at 123RF.

I can understand why some people are frustrated, but why delete your portfolio? Stop uploading if you don't think it's worth your time, but deleting approved images seems silly.

I can't stand Dreamstime and stopped uploading a while ago because of their lame policies, but I still have enough action to get a payout from them every 2-3 months. Leave your files up and make a little money. If it takes a year to reach a payout... it's still a payout.

modviz · « **Reply #103 on:** March 27, 2013, 08:20 »

Quote from: daveh900 on March 27, 2013, 08:12

I can understand why some people are frustrated, but why delete your portfolio? Stop uploading if you don't think it's worth your time, but deleting approved images seems silly.

Simple. 123RF takes away sales from other agencies that pay-out a lot faster.

fotografer · « **Reply #104 on:** March 27, 2013, 09:27 »

Quote from: modviz on March 27, 2013, 08:20

Quote from: daveh900 on March 27, 2013, 08:12
I can understand why some people are frustrated, but why delete your portfolio? Stop uploading if you don't think it's worth your time, but deleting approved images seems silly.

Simple. 123RF takes away sales from other agencies that pay-out a lot faster.

The trouble is that if I remove my port from anywhere it won't make the slightest difference to anybody except for me as I will lose out on my earnings there. I'm 100% sure that no buyer is going to follow me around looking for my images is they are no longer at one particular site. Unfortunately that is the truth of the matter.

modviz · « **Reply #105 on:** March 27, 2013, 10:26 »

Quote from: fotografer on March 27, 2013, 09:27

The trouble is that if I remove my port from anywhere it won't make the slightest difference to anybody except for me as I will lose out on my earnings there. I'm 100% sure that no buyer is going to follow me around looking for my images is they are no longer at one particular site. Unfortunately that is the truth of the matter.

Ok. Fair enought. How about....I think my body of work is worth more than 123RF is willing to pay me.

fotografer · « **Reply #106 on:** March 27, 2013, 10:29 »

Quote from: modviz on March 27, 2013, 10:26

Quote from: fotografer on March 27, 2013, 09:27
The trouble is that if I remove my port from anywhere it won't make the slightest difference to anybody except for me as I will lose out on my earnings there. I'm 100% sure that no buyer is going to follow me around looking for my images is they are no longer at one particular site. Unfortunately that is the truth of the matter.

Ok. Fair enought. How about....I think my body of work is worth more than 123RF is willing to pay me.

Yep that will do

mike123 · « **Reply #107 on:** March 27, 2013, 11:11 »

Quote from: fotografer on March 27, 2013, 09:27

Quote from: modviz on March 27, 2013, 08:20
Quote from: daveh900 on March 27, 2013, 08:12
I can understand why some people are frustrated, but why delete your portfolio? Stop uploading if you don't think it's worth your time, but deleting approved images seems silly.

Simple. 123RF takes away sales from other agencies that pay-out a lot faster.
The trouble is that if I remove my port from anywhere it won't make the slightest difference to anybody except for me as I will lose out on my earnings there. I'm 100% sure that no buyer is going to follow me around looking for my images is they are no longer at one particular site. Unfortunately that is the truth of the matter.

Well this is true for standard business handshake type images, but in my case I have some niche travel images in my port and by deleting those from 123RF I reduce the buyer's choice, hopefully driving him away to other agencies...

daveh900 · « **Reply #108 on:** March 27, 2013, 11:25 »

Quote from: Mapics on March 27, 2013, 11:11

Quote from: fotografer on March 27, 2013, 09:27
Quote from: modviz on March 27, 2013, 08:20
Quote from: daveh900 on March 27, 2013, 08:12
I can understand why some people are frustrated, but why delete your portfolio? Stop uploading if you don't think it's worth your time, but deleting approved images seems silly.

Simple. 123RF takes away sales from other agencies that pay-out a lot faster.
The trouble is that if I remove my port from anywhere it won't make the slightest difference to anybody except for me as I will lose out on my earnings there. I'm 100% sure that no buyer is going to follow me around looking for my images is they are no longer at one particular site. Unfortunately that is the truth of the matter.

Well this is true for standard business handshake type images, but in my case I have some niche travel images in my port and by deleting those from 123RF I reduce the buyer's choice, hopefully driving him away to other agencies...

You can believe that if you want to.

I work in a place that uses a lot of stock images, so let me give you the perspective of one "buyer". Someone at my place of employment decided a while pack that BigStock was the place we'd purchase all of our stock images. They purchase a big pack of credits every few months or as needed. When we need an image, we use BigStock... period.

If there was an amazing image that was absolutely perfect for our project, we wouldn't know it existed if wasn't on BigStock.

I would imagine that same thing holds true for a lot of buyers. They have an agency of choice where they have an account and that is their first, if not only, place that they look for images.

123RF has loyal customers and they will not track you down at another agency if you delete your portfolio, because they will never know you even existed in the first place.

mike123 · « **Reply #109 on:** March 27, 2013, 12:40 »

Quote from: daveh900 on March 27, 2013, 11:25

Quote from: Mapics on March 27, 2013, 11:11

Well this is true for standard business handshake type images, but in my case I have some niche travel images in my port and by deleting those from 123RF I reduce the buyer's choice, hopefully driving him away to other agencies...

You can believe that if you want to.

I work in a place that uses a lot of stock images, so let me give you the perspective of one "buyer". Someone at my place of employment decided a while pack that BigStock was the place we'd purchase all of our stock images. They purchase a big pack of credits every few months or as needed. When we need an image, we use BigStock... period.

If there was an amazing image that was absolutely perfect for our project, we wouldn't know it existed if wasn't on BigStock.

I would imagine that same thing holds true for a lot of buyers. They have an agency of choice where they have an account and that is their first, if not only, place that they look for images.

123RF has loyal customers and they will not track you down at another agency if you delete your portfolio, because they will never know you even existed in the first place.

Thanks for the insight. Everybody has the right to have his own opinion. I will just ignore your personal comments.

Dan · « **Reply #110 on:** March 27, 2013, 12:43 »

Like Dave900 - March is BME at 123rf

daveh900 · « **Reply #111 on:** March 27, 2013, 12:58 »

Quote from: Mapics on March 27, 2013, 12:40

Thanks for the insight. Everybody has the right to have his own opinion. I will just ignore your personal comments.

What personal comments?

Do you need a hug?

modviz · « **Reply #112 on:** March 27, 2013, 14:53 »

And as a final contribution to this topic (I promise).

Should I support a microstock company with the motto: "The low price leader for Royalty-Free content" ?

123RF, in my opinion, has a very narrow, uncreative, one-dimensional business sense. They feel the only way they can succeed is by offering their clients rock-bottom pricing.

Let's say they succeed.

Do you really think contributors won't be victimized again by them, or another agency who follows 123's example because 123 found success in squeezing the contributor?

That's why it's important 123RF fails. 123's failure will set a precedent whereby contributors have drawn a line in the sand and said...."my images are worth more than that."

daveh900 · « **Reply #113 on:** March 27, 2013, 15:03 »

Quote from: modviz on March 27, 2013, 14:53

And as a final contribution to this topic (I promise).

Should I support a microstock company with the motto: "The low price leader for Royalty-Free content" ?

123RF, in my opinion, has a very narrow, uncreative, one-dimensional business sense. They feel the only way they can succeed is by offering their clients rock-bottom pricing.

Let's say they succeed.

Do you really think contributors won't be victimized again by them, or another agency who follows 123's example because 123 found success in squeezing the contributor?

That's why it's important 123RF fails. 123's failure will set a precedent whereby contributors have drawn a line in the sand and said...."my images are worth more than that."

A very valid argument.

However for me, 123RF is my second biggest earner. It's hard for me personally to justify a protest that will go largely unnoticed by 123RF and it's buyers. Call me a sell-out if you'd like... aren't we all sell-outs anyways?

Dan · « **Reply #114 on:** March 28, 2013, 14:02 »

They're my highest earner this year and 3rd overall. Again like daveh900 - maybe i'm selling also out but each month has gotten better and better. Will stick with them for the fore seeable future.

heywoody · « **Reply #115 on:** March 28, 2013, 18:04 »

I have to ask...

If this site is anywhere higher than 5th for someone, what other sites are you submitting to and is there a big variation in port size?

disorderly · « **Reply #116 on:** March 28, 2013, 18:19 »

They're #2 for me behind Shutterstock and more than 3X iStock at #3. I have a large port at the sites that don't throttle my uploads. (DT, I'm looking at you.). So yes, 123 really does earn me more than the rest.

klsbear · « **Reply #117 on:** March 28, 2013, 22:01 »

Plodding along.... Sub sales are up but not at the expense of bigger sizes which are more or less the same. Despite a 15% increase in downloads my income is down by 35% because my small portfolio isn't generating enough sales to climb the ranks. Only saving grace at this point is that the increase downloads are helping my RC's to climb. I'm selling enough larger sizes to keep the RPD falling below an unacceptable level so I'll stick it out for a bit. They had been my #3 site prior to the changes.

fotografer · « **Reply #118 on:** March 29, 2013, 04:48 »

I'm having a BME there with more credit sales than subs and an RPD of 90c(more than SS) so definitely won't be dropping them.

heywoody · « **Reply #119 on:** March 29, 2013, 05:14 »

Quote from: disorderly on March 28, 2013, 18:19

They're #2 for me behind Shutterstock and more than 3X iStock at #3. I have a large port at the sites that don't throttle my uploads. (DT, I'm looking at you.). So yes, 123 really does earn me more than the rest.

Looks like, compared to IS, a 40 times bigger port yields 3 times the revenue so RPI is roughly 1:12 which is approximately the same as I'm seeing.

Darren Green · « **Reply #120 on:** March 29, 2013, 06:06 »

Quote from: fotografer on March 27, 2013, 10:29

Ok. Fair enought. How about....I think my body of work is worth more than 123RF is willing to pay me.

Yep that will do

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Worth? Your body of work is only worth what someone is willing to pay to use it - Just because someone is willing to pay $2 to use an image from a site like 123rf it doesn't mean that they are willing to pay $100 for the same image from Alamy for example. They will simply buy another photographers work on the same subject.

I of course use worth purely in relation to monetary value - you cant bring sentimental value into it when dealing with microstocks.

The only person you are doing a favor to by deleting your portfolios are other photographers as you are reducing their competition, so from a personal point of view I say delete all your profiles as that is less competition for me (last sentence said with tongue in cheek.)

The harsh truth of the matter is if you aren't earning enough for a payout each month with a particular site it is because your portfolio isn't strong or large enough.

Anyhow, happy Easter all

modviz · « **Reply #121 on:** March 29, 2013, 06:47 »

Quote from: Darren Green on March 29, 2013, 06:06

Worth? Your body of work is only worth what someone is willing to pay to use it -

Dumb logic, DG. Sorry. Please don't quote me if you haven't read my entire contribution to this topic. If you want to feed an agency that thinks it can succeed by striping away contributor's earnings.....it's a free world (something 123 seems to be striving to achieve literally in the microstock industry).

If you, DG, want to compromise your body of work. It's your choice. "Sentimental value"? Huh?

Dan · « **Reply #122 on:** March 29, 2013, 07:05 »

heywoody. I've got sales on 5 other sites but 123rf had the biggest port. Trying to increase port size at all even if it is little by little.

Poncke · « **Reply #123 on:** March 29, 2013, 07:21 »

Quote from: Dan on March 29, 2013, 07:05

heywoody. I've got sales on 5 other sites but 123rf had the biggest port. Trying to increase port size at all even if it is little by little.

How big is your portfolio and how many sales did you get at 123 or the other sites?

fotografer · « **Reply #124 on:** March 29, 2013, 08:54 »

Quote from: Darren Green on March 29, 2013, 06:06

Quote from: fotografer on March 27, 2013, 10:29

Ok. Fair enought. How about....I think my body of work is worth more than 123RF is willing to pay me.
Yep that will do

Worth? Your body of work is only worth what someone is willing to pay to use it - Just because someone is willing to pay $2 to use an image from a site like 123rf it doesn't mean that they are willing to pay $100 for the same image from Alamy for example. They will simply buy another photographers work on the same subject.

I of course use worth purely in relation to monetary value - you cant bring sentimental value into it when dealing with microstocks.

The only person you are doing a favor to by deleting your portfolios are other photographers as you are reducing their competition, so from a personal point of view I say delete all your profiles as that is less competition for me (last sentence said with tongue in cheek.)

The harsh truth of the matter is if you aren't earning enough for a payout each month with a particular site it is because your portfolio isn't strong or large enough.

Anyhow, happy Easter all

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I didn't say what you have quoted me as saying.

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