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« on: October 13, 2013, 10:30 »
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I was trying to find a higher priced outlet I could put some work on, and I discovered EVO at 123RF (no subscriptions!).  I've put up a few hundred files, and no sales yet.

I find an issue with their search paradigm, and was wondering if anyone has had any different results there.  Basically, the EVO images hardly show up when searching with the "all images" filter on.  In fact, if you just try to search within my portfolio with "all images" checked for various things, absolutely nothing shows up.  Try searching for "santa" or "student":
http://www.123rf.com/profile_seanlockephotography

The only way to get them to show up is to refine with the EVO filter.

This is bizarre to me, and while trying to discuss this, I've been told that only after things like sales, or picking favorite images, etc., do they start to show up under "all images" (even though I have 15 santa images as favorites).  "All images" actually means "all images" to me, and not "a magical subset of what is actually all images".   EVO should be a subset of "all images", like editorial would be a subset, etc.  I can't imagine I'll ever make sales when the images don't show up at all in a search!

So, does anyone have any EVO images, and do they show up in a return?  Do you make any sales?  Is this just me thinking this is crazy, or does anyone agree?


« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2013, 11:58 »
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So it's their flavour of offset?  I can see your post generating this generating a flood of applications  :D 

Your're right, the search, as described, makes absolutely no sense.

stocked

« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2013, 05:49 »
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For direct sales from EVO... don' waste your time! I have a little over hundred with them since a couple of years and I  optioned out for partner sales, direct sales from Inmagine/EVO are pretty  non-existent for me.
With the exception of Getty and Stocksy I don't think there is any higher priced agency left that have enough direct sales to make it alone worth it. Corbis is dying for me I liked them very much but for me it's not worth it anymore.
There are a couple sub-agencies that are okay but then you are selling over all macro-agencies including Getty and Corbis and your commission is lower than 10% (20% from Getty and Corbis divided by half plus loosing on exchange and fees).
I've bought my own picture at smallest size from Getty for 10,- and all I got over my sub-agency was 70,- Euro-cent.

« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2013, 15:07 »
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There's an "infinite" collection at FT which seems higher priced and no subs.  The work looks fairly indifferent but big ports.  No idea about criteria for entry but better than average chance they'd be glad to get you on board.

« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2013, 15:11 »
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FWIW, I did this search and saw two of yours on the first page when looking for all collections.

Their search is pretty lame - for example, I can't say I don't want to see illustrations, and having said I wanted 1 person, the very first image is of three kids - but by narrowing the search a bit to a manageable number (just over 1K results) your images were up front by "relevance" whatever that is.

When they introduced EVO - (in 2008 I think) - and Fotolia introduced their black collection (Infinity?) they were both really boring collections of older cast-offs from the trad agencies. I have no clue how the sales have been, but if you look at the EVO results for "Santa" with a buyer's eye, I don't think you'd be willing to pay any extra for the very ordinary collection of stuff they're offering (and I think your Santa images are fine, but there are lots of nice Santa images in the main 123rf collection and some real losers in this high price collection)

« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2013, 15:53 »
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If there is anybody who should be selling Direct, it's you Sean. From what I have heard from others about EVO, there is little chance you will do better through them than through Direct channels.

Not an advertisement for Symbiostock, KTools or Photoshelter. Choose a platform that you like, set the pricing and licensing to your specification, and decide which collection of images you wish to market. There are only a handful of contributors on this site whose ports are large enough (and premium quality) to have a significant customer base looking for them specifically. You should take advantage of it.

« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2013, 15:55 »
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He's already been selling in Photoshelter for some months, if I'm not wrong.

« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2013, 16:04 »
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He's already been selling in Photoshelter for some months, if I'm not wrong.


http://seanlockephotography.photoshelter.com/

« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2013, 16:22 »
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Carry on then, nothing to see here.   8)

Sean, have you experimented much with pricing? I think those images are worth a lot more than $5 for web res.
« Last Edit: October 14, 2013, 16:24 by djpadavona »

« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2013, 20:29 »
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Carry on then, nothing to see here.   8)

Sean, have you experimented much with pricing? I think those images are worth a lot more than $5 for web res.


If I was selling an avalanche, I'd agree with you, but I only license 3-4 a month.

The point with EVO was to see if there was an audience there.  I had people buying very simple images that had gotten into Agency on Getty for $3-400, so I wanted to see if 123RF had an audience like that.  However, since the images don't reliably, or at all, show up in the search, it isn't proving productive at all.

JoAnn, here's a search - "blue santa" refined by last 3 months.  2 pages of images, and none of mine show up.  Now, refine by EVO, and there they are.  http://www.123rf.com/search.php?word=blue+santa&start=60&t_lang=en&exclude=woman&imgtype=0&num_ppl=1&srchgender=0&color=&searchopts=search_all&selectFresh=6&itemsperpage=60

Weird, huh?

« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2013, 23:59 »
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What's even more strange - and makes me think that their code is just buggy - is that if I use your link and then change last three months to "Any time", your images start showing up on page 4 (by relevance) in an all collections search.

If I change to laughing santa (instead of blue santa) and set "Past month" and "All collections" three of yours show up. I change that to "Evo" and it says there are no results!

Repeat the above two searches but with "Past 3 months" and I see three of yours for "All collections" and four of yours if I say "Evo"

The only constant is errors!

« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2013, 05:07 »
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It doesn't fill me with a lot of confidence :(


 

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