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Agency Based Discussion => 123RF => Topic started by: lagereek on August 31, 2011, 05:34
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Now Im absoloutely sure these people are using some sort of an automated reviewing software. Yesterday I uploaded 15 files, purposely I included 3 files which EACH! have sold over 900 times. Sure enough, came back with "minimal commercial value" and together they have been DLd around, 2700 times.
I can put up with a lot, reduced commissions, claw-backs, even the latest IS nonsense but to be in the hands of these sort of reviewers, sorry, thats the end of line, Not that it matters much but with some 60K downloads at IS, Diamond, etc, RM member of the Getty main-core, Im pretty sure I can judge whats commercial or not. This is the third time in a row this happens, obviously their software or perhaps some compeeting soul here is blocking my images.
I have already started to delete my entire port ( only 700 shots), consistant bad reviewing is IMO, worse then anything.
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It seems they try to compensate for image overload by rejecting random images. Just had 2 batches rejected which never happened before.
I'm getting worried now since you seem to get into trouble too (and not only with 123RF) which I thought would never happen with a portfolio like yours. I noticed you had great sales everywhere when other had bad days.
m8, did you mail them about this before pulling your stuff or do you think they wouldn't take notice of it anyway?
Later
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Wow. don't think I've heard these kinds of complaints for a couple of weeks here now. I wonder if it's one reviewer whose been on holiday and just got back..
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Look! i wouldnt mind but this is happening frequently and with images that are bona-fide top sellers, else i wouldnt complain. Anyhow, Ive had it with this 123 and their reviewing, as if we dont have more important issues to deal with.
yes there were complaints not long back "poor lighting" another standing comment. Cant separate a bad WB, from a purposley toned image. Great!
Im still deleting, Im out.
best.
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Look!
OK! :D
No worries Lagereek, I wasn't trying to dissuade you, I was just thinking out loud. I didn't mean to underplay the significance of what's happened to you, although I can see that it might have come across that way.
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My solution to the problem is to NOT CARE. I don't look what gets accepter or rejected at 123rf. Because they have such an easy uploading process I just dump them my images and forget about them. If the upload was more time consuming I would be more interested in rejections.
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I have to say that I'm loving 123RF these days. I haven't had a rejection there in months, uploading 100+ each month. Each month is a BME, even through the summer. (Been there over three years.)
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Well, with nearly 8K pics online and differant pseudos, yes I have to care, to me time is money, inadequate and unprofessional reviewing or whatever, is time wasted that could have been spent elsewhere.
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Understood, lagereek. My own experience is more akin to Stockmarketer's (above), but given what's happened to others, it does concern me that I might get this seemingly rogue reviewer one of these days. It's pretty worrying that this has happened to you, given your port size, success and long experience in trads and micros.
A year ago, I wouldn't have been too worried about rejections from 123RF, but from my point of view, they're rising through the ranks fast, and significantly enough to really matter to my income - so I do hope they sort this out.
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Understood, lagereek. My own experience is more akin to Stockmarketer's (above), but given what's happened to others, it does concern me that I might get this seemingly rogue reviewer one of these days. It's pretty worrying that this has happened to you, given your port size, success and long experience in trads and micros.
A year ago, I wouldn't have been too worried about rejections from 123RF, but from my point of view, they're rising through the ranks fast, and significantly enough to really matter to my income - so I do hope they sort this out.
Hi there! well IMO, poor, unprofessional editing, is one of the few things in micro that we shouldnt put up with, its valuable time right down the drain. Ofcourse! anybody can make mistakes but, hello! not all the time and this agency has already got their set comments, Ive even uploaded, on purpose a shot that really was bad! poor lighting, unsharp, the lot AND, it passed ? now I uploaded among others some shots that have sold like mad! accepted everywhere and what happens " minimal commercial value" well fortunately I take it with a bit of laugh :D, was fed up with them anyway.
best.
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I'm not talking about 123rf because I didn't have any bad experience with them.
But in general, when reviews make sense, I only submit my best pictures.
When they start random rejecting, I start random submitting everything.
It's a waste of time for all parts involved, but I can assure that if rejections are totally random and we submit 10 similars, in the end we will have our full port on every site. They get what they deserve. It's not a challenge, or a revenge or anything: it's just necessary statistics.
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It is really funny (but just in a interesting way - not the laugh out load stuff). As mentioned by various people in other similar forum posts, so many contributors, so many experiences!
I get nearly 100% acceptance at 123RF, while on Crestock batch after batch get refused at the moment (and only them, no one else). Don't think I will start a thread about it, as someone else will just tell me how happy they are with them (just the nature of the beast we are dealing with I guess). ;)
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I get nearly 100% acceptance at 123RF, while on Crestock batch after batch get refused at the moment.
That makes two of us. Well, put it in past tense; I gave up on uploading to Crestock a while back. Way too many rejections, and way too few sales to justify the effort (#11 for me this month). 123RF accepts nearly everything I submit and actually sells some of what they accept (#4 this month behind Shutterstock, iStock and Veer).
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I've had the occasional run of random rejections there, but for the most part reviews seem pretty consistent and I have a high acceptance ratio.
I don't get a huge number of sales there, but also consistent.
Just talked to a friend who is a designer and she told me she switched from Istockphoto to 123 this past year and now buys nearly all her images there. I was a bit surprised. Most of the (PPD) designers I know who left Istock went to Dreamstime, but this gal just loves 123RF!
Of course I also took the opportunity to pimp my own site to her. :)
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I have found the reviewing process pretty uneven across the board - LCV rejections for proven bestsellers from SS and 123rf; incorrect title/keyword rejections from DT when I can't see a single out of place keyword (and they don't tell you what they don't like); SS rejecting former Vetta images for incorrect white balance (because they were shots with the sun in the frame) and on and on.
If I were to delete my portfolio from every site with nutso reviewing, I wouldn't have it anywhere :)
I just ignore the rejections and upload what they'll take. I can't control them and the sites no longer care what contributors think as they're all now big enough that individually, most of us are dispensible.
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I have found the reviewing process pretty uneven across the board - LCV rejections for proven bestsellers from SS and 123rf; incorrect title/keyword rejections from DT when I can't see a single out of place keyword (and they don't tell you what they don't like); SS rejecting former Vetta images for incorrect white balance (because they were shots with the sun in the frame) and on and on.
If I were to delete my portfolio from every site with nutso reviewing, I wouldn't have it anywhere :)
I just ignore the rejections and upload what they'll take. I can't control them and the sites no longer care what contributors think as they're all now big enough that individually, most of us are dispensible.
Ditto. I have stopped reading rejection reasons a while ago and are much more at peace now with my work and the industry. There are only a few sites where I have high 85%+ approval rate (and those are not the same as for many other posters here). With the other sites I submit to, 1 image will get accepted by 30% and 70% will reject, the next image will get accepted by the 70% who rejected the previous one and rejected by the other 30%.
With any site with a bit of consistency one get a feel of their likes and dislikes and can see a pattern and, if they are good sellers, you try and upload to their taste. For the rest, just take pot luck and do not take any of their remarks seriously and don't stress it.
Found that the above aprouch does my blood pressure and heart rate wonders......
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I've had the occasional run of random rejections there, but for the most part reviews seem pretty consistent and I have a high acceptance ratio.
I don't get a huge number of sales there, but also consistent.
Just talked to a friend who is a designer and she told me she switched from Istockphoto to 123 this past year and now buys nearly all her images there. I was a bit surprised. Most of the (PPD) designers I know who left Istock went to Dreamstime, but this gal just loves 123RF!
Of course I also took the opportunity to pimp my own site to her. :)
Hi Lisa!
well, maybe Im the victim of abuse or something, been there before, it was discovered and stopped by one agency, few years back that is. Anyhow Im not a member at 123 anymore, will delete the rest tomorrow. I really have no time for this. As I said earlier, we put up with a lot, just look at all the IS business! but consistantly poor editing? no sir.
all the best.
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Yeah, I can't imagine why any of your images would be rejected Christian. You have been at this a long time and know what you're doing. I think it is that your photos are not the run-of-the-mill stock and they don't know what to make of them.
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If I were to delete my portfolio from every site with nutso reviewing, I wouldn't have it anywhere :)
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That's the truth for sure. It also seems to happen by batch making me think it is the reviewer not some automated system. I recently had a picture of Columbine peak in the Sierras moved to editorial - no people, no man made structures - just a mountain in the middle of a mountain range. I wonder if that was automated by a keyword. odd.
I agree the spaghetti approach seems to be the easiest for my blood pressure and stress. Make the images, shotgun them to the agencies and let them keep what they want. If images get rejected everywhere - especially for lighting or focus, I take note. Otherwise they get what they want and I keep from going postal.
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It seems that 123RF don't like certain subjects. People who shoot typical microstock subjects, business handshakes, photos with lots of white pixels :) etc. tend to report good acceptance.
I have 85-100% acceptance on SS and DT, depending on the batch. From time to time I give 123 a try - 1 batch got through, next 2 batches 90% or so rejections. The photos that they do accept sometimes are the worst in the whole batch. I have a nice cityscape of a European capital, on SS it is the most popular image from that country. A lunatic reviewer at 123RF rejected it for... minimal commercial value :P
Well, now they have a new button for "Minimal commercial value", it used to be "poor lighting/composition".
What's very funny, they now have an option to transfer such images to the editorial section :P If they restrict the usage, there's even less "commercial value". Absolutely no logic at all.
OK, now it's the time when usually Anglee or Alex join us and ask us to send links to the rejected photos on other sites. :) AFAIK if you send them a link they usually revert the rejection and the image goes online.
I don't do it because I have no time for such games. I keep my account and will try again, maybe in winter, or spring 2012. Maybe something changes by then.
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Hi Lagereek,
Kindly email me. I'll look into it personally.
alex(at)123rf.com
Apologies for the frustration.
Alex.