What's weird about this one is they're not even trying to call it a subscription. And although it's not as bad as what others are offering, the idea that they can have a "pack" product and call it exactly that and yet still just pay out subscription royalties is disturbing.
I don't yet have an answer from support, but I had a download this morning in the subscription column with a royalty of 52.2 cents.
At a guess, I'd say this might be for the $1.39 sale (100 images a month for $139) and perhaps the 40.1 cents from July 3 was the volume pack (1200 images a year for $1390)
Even if this is right, that's still 37.5% and 34.6%, not the 45% I should be receiving.
Contributors Level | Commission Level | Earnings/Download |
1 | 30.00% | $0.25 |
2 | 35.00% | $0.29 |
3 | 40.00% | $0.33 |
4 | 45.00% | $0.37 |
5 | 50.00% | $0.41 |
6 | 52.00% | $0.43 |
7 | 54.00% | $0.44 |
8 | 56.00% | $0.46 |
9 | 58.00% | $0.47 |
10 | 60.00% | $0.49 |
This doesn't explain anything! None of those numbers match the two amounts I have received
I did write already
These payouts are a total ripoff and not at the percentages shown given the price the buyer pays
Hiya,
Please find the commission level of each download pack as below:
Contributors Level Commission Level Earnings/Download 1 30.00% $0.25 2 35.00% $0.29 3 40.00% $0.33 4 45.00% $0.37 5 50.00% $0.41 6 52.00% $0.43 7 54.00% $0.44 8 56.00% $0.46 9 58.00% $0.47 10 60.00% $0.49
Please email to [email protected] if got any download pack inquiries
Cheers,
Anglee
Hiya,
Please find the commission level of each download pack as below:
Contributors Level Commission Level Earnings/Download 1 30.00% $0.25 2 35.00% $0.29 3 40.00% $0.33 4 45.00% $0.37 5 50.00% $0.41 6 52.00% $0.43 7 54.00% $0.44 8 56.00% $0.46 9 58.00% $0.47 10 60.00% $0.49
Please email to [email protected] if got any download pack inquiries
Cheers,
Anglee
I received a useful reply from support. I've asked if I can list it here
The amounts are paid as a percentage at your level. The variations are because of different currencies and different discounts (bigger than shown on the web site)
It's a bundle that results in very cheap images, but only with very large volume commitments
Contributors Level | Commission Level | Earnings/Download (Subscription Plan) | Earnings/Download (Download Pack) |
1 | 30.00% | $0.216 | $0.25 - $0.46 |
2 | 35.00% | $0.252 | $0.29 - $0.53 |
3 | 40.00% | $0.288 | $0.33 - $0.61 |
4 | 45.00% | $0.324 | $0.37 - $0.69 |
5 | 50.00% | $0.360 | $0.41 - $0.76 |
6 | 52.00% | $0.374 | $0.43 - $0.79 |
7 | 54.00% | $0.389 | $0.44 - $0.82 |
8 | 56.00% | $0.403 | $0.46 - $0.85 |
9 | 58.00% | $0.418 | $0.47 - $0.88 |
10 | 60.00% | $0.432 | $0.49 - $0.91 |
Hiya,
Download pack is introduced by 123RF as another type of subscription. The download pack is offered in all different currencies and additional discounts depending on situation. Thus, it is NOT a flat rate in contributor earnings. The difference between "Subscription Plan" and "Download Pack" is as below:
- Subscription plan = Daily Limit
- Download Pack = Total Download Limit
The table that posted earlier showed the Lowest Earnings/Download of Download Pack that contributors received on each level. In short, Download Pack will still be recorded under subscription with a different payout price; slightly higher compare to the traditional subscription plan. You may refer to the table below:
Contributors Level Commission Level Earnings/Download (Subscription Plan) Earnings/Download (Download Pack) 1 30.00% $0.216 $0.25 - $0.46 2 35.00% $0.252 $0.29 - $0.53 3 40.00% $0.288 $0.33 - $0.61 4 45.00% $0.324 $0.37 - $0.69 5 50.00% $0.360 $0.41 - $0.76 6 52.00% $0.374 $0.43 - $0.79 7 54.00% $0.389 $0.44 - $0.82 8 56.00% $0.403 $0.46 - $0.85 9 58.00% $0.418 $0.47 - $0.88 10 60.00% $0.432 $0.49 - $0.91
Hope this explanation could help in clearing your misunderstanding and confusion on our newly launched download pack.
Thanks,
Anglee
Oh dear, I thought things were bad at 123RF with the introduction of their RC system and low, low subs pricing. The promise of doubled downloads / income never materialised (anyone surprised?). Now they introduce subscription priced credit packs. *sighs*
Download pack is introduced by 123RF as another type of subscription. The download pack is offered in all different currencies and additional discounts depending on situation. Thus, it is NOT a flat rate in contributor earnings. The difference between "Subscription Plan" and "Download Pack" is as below...
I am actually depressed right now. We are being pushed into a corner. There is no where to go. All agencies are going with this new model. I hope for the love of anything that the factories will start to become unsustainable so that they will start pulling their weight and hopefully turn things around.
So I'm glad that 123rf has posted the earnings chart here and explained how this new credit bundle works. I'm no longer concerned that my rate is below the level I have attained, but I do have other questions/issues:
1. For the purpose of calculating our 12 month credit total, how many virtual credits does this new download pack count for? Subscriptions count for 1, but 123rf makes much more money per image via a download pack than via a subscription, so I think contributors should be credited for more than one as well
[url]http://www.123rf.com/contrib_structure.php[/url] ([url]http://www.123rf.com/contrib_structure.php[/url])
If someone purchased an XXL image of mine via credits, however heavily discounted, I made 6 credits for the purpose of future royalty calculations and minimum $1.08 royalty. With these new download packs, I make 1 credit for royalty purposes and 37 cents. That's a 65% reduction in earnings and an 83% reduction in credit for future royalties.
It doesn't take a math genius to see that I'll soon be dropping down the royalty levels if these download packs take off.
2. Is the earnings chart per download pack posted anywhere on the site? I don't see it in the link above where subscription royalties are posted. We shouldn't have to ask to have our earnings charts updated as soon as new products are introduced.
3. Why were contributors not notified of this new product? You have the ability to alert us to things on login, there's a blog, you could send out e-mail... The only conclusion I can draw is that you knew we wouldn't like it and were hoping we might not notice. That's just not acceptable.
4. What is the smallest number of images a buyer can purchase with a download pack? What number of images, and what expiration period, get the buyer the lowest price?
You've posted two options ($139 a month or $1,390 a year) on the site but there are clearly more options given the royalty chart you provided.
At the lowest price, working back from what contributors are paid, a buyer can purchase an XXL image or vector for 82.2 cents! That buyer price is below my current royalty floor ($1.08) for a 6 credit XXL sale.
Given a one year expiration, why would any large, regular buyer purchase credits after their current bundle runs out? Video, EVO (but if Sean's experience with EVO is any guide, that's not a big seller) & TIFF are the only things you'd need credits for. I don't sell two of those and the TIFF purchases are very few and far between.
So this looks to me like a massive price cut for buyers and for contributors a path to a drastically lower future royalty level.
Is there any "good news" I'm missing is this train wreck?
So I'm glad that 123rf has posted the earnings chart here and explained how this new credit bundle works. I'm no longer concerned that my rate is below the level I have attained, but I do have other questions/issues:
1. For the purpose of calculating our 12 month credit total, how many virtual credits does this new download pack count for? Subscriptions count for 1, but 123rf makes much more money per image via a download pack than via a subscription, so I think contributors should be credited for more than one as well
[url]http://www.123rf.com/contrib_structure.php[/url] ([url]http://www.123rf.com/contrib_structure.php[/url])
If someone purchased an XXL image of mine via credits, however heavily discounted, I made 6 credits for the purpose of future royalty calculations and minimum $1.08 royalty. With these new download packs, I make 1 credit for royalty purposes and 37 cents. That's a 65% reduction in earnings and an 83% reduction in credit for future royalties.
It doesn't take a math genius to see that I'll soon be dropping down the royalty levels if these download packs take off.
2. Is the earnings chart per download pack posted anywhere on the site? I don't see it in the link above where subscription royalties are posted. We shouldn't have to ask to have our earnings charts updated as soon as new products are introduced.
3. Why were contributors not notified of this new product? You have the ability to alert us to things on login, there's a blog, you could send out e-mail... The only conclusion I can draw is that you knew we wouldn't like it and were hoping we might not notice. That's just not acceptable.
4. What is the smallest number of images a buyer can purchase with a download pack? What number of images, and what expiration period, get the buyer the lowest price?
You've posted two options ($139 a month or $1,390 a year) on the site but there are clearly more options given the royalty chart you provided.
At the lowest price, working back from what contributors are paid, a buyer can purchase an XXL image or vector for 82.2 cents! That buyer price is below my current royalty floor ($1.08) for a 6 credit XXL sale.
Given a one year expiration, why would any large, regular buyer purchase credits after their current bundle runs out? Video, EVO (but if Sean's experience with EVO is any guide, that's not a big seller) & TIFF are the only things you'd need credits for. I don't sell two of those and the TIFF purchases are very few and far between.
So this looks to me like a massive price cut for buyers and for contributors a path to a drastically lower future royalty level.
Is there any "good news" I'm missing is this train wreck?
So I'm glad that 123rf has posted the earnings chart here and explained how this new credit bundle works. I'm no longer concerned that my rate is below the level I have attained, but I do have other questions/issues:
1. For the purpose of calculating our 12 month credit total, how many virtual credits does this new download pack count for? Subscriptions count for 1, but 123rf makes much more money per image via a download pack than via a subscription, so I think contributors should be credited for more than one as well
[url]http://www.123rf.com/contrib_structure.php[/url] ([url]http://www.123rf.com/contrib_structure.php[/url])
If someone purchased an XXL image of mine via credits, however heavily discounted, I made 6 credits for the purpose of future royalty calculations and minimum $1.08 royalty. With these new download packs, I make 1 credit for royalty purposes and 37 cents. That's a 65% reduction in earnings and an 83% reduction in credit for future royalties.
It doesn't take a math genius to see that I'll soon be dropping down the royalty levels if these download packs take off.
2. Is the earnings chart per download pack posted anywhere on the site? I don't see it in the link above where subscription royalties are posted. We shouldn't have to ask to have our earnings charts updated as soon as new products are introduced.
3. Why were contributors not notified of this new product? You have the ability to alert us to things on login, there's a blog, you could send out e-mail... The only conclusion I can draw is that you knew we wouldn't like it and were hoping we might not notice. That's just not acceptable.
4. What is the smallest number of images a buyer can purchase with a download pack? What number of images, and what expiration period, get the buyer the lowest price?
You've posted two options ($139 a month or $1,390 a year) on the site but there are clearly more options given the royalty chart you provided.
At the lowest price, working back from what contributors are paid, a buyer can purchase an XXL image or vector for 82.2 cents! That buyer price is below my current royalty floor ($1.08) for a 6 credit XXL sale.
Given a one year expiration, why would any large, regular buyer purchase credits after their current bundle runs out? Video, EVO (but if Sean's experience with EVO is any guide, that's not a big seller) & TIFF are the only things you'd need credits for. I don't sell two of those and the TIFF purchases are very few and far between.
So this looks to me like a massive price cut for buyers and for contributors a path to a drastically lower future royalty level.
Is there any "good news" I'm missing is this train wreck?
Great questions, Jo Ann - will be interesting to see how 123rf respond to this...
I'm going to watch my sales more closely than I usually do to see what sort of volume this new approach brings.
If it never picks up speed, then we're good - whatever goodwill I had towards 123rf disintegrated when they changed the royalty scheme from 50% for everyone. At this point it's just about the cash at the end of the month.
If the volume picks up (I wish they'd separate these out, but I'll count any non 32.4 cent subscription as a download pack), I'll have to decide whether or not to pull my images - I know they don't care either way, but I'm not going to help these agencies beat me up!
The more I look at this the nastier it appears...
... remember the sudden commission cut and the promised doubling of sales that never happened?
Oh please no, not another shady scheme to lower contributor's commissions? I've had it with EVERY. SINGLE. agency trying to pull crap like this. 123RF is already one of the 'bad' ones (remember the sudden commission cut and the promised doubling of sales that never happened? Another crap story...) and this is another step in the wrong direction. Why do agencies ALWAYS seem to want the worst for their contributors? Sure, it's business, and it's not always fair, but the microstock industry is poisoned enough already with greedy, money-grubbing agencies. And yes, 123RF, you're one of them.
The more I look at this the nastier it appears...
This describes microstock on the whole. Kind of like looking under a rock or a rotted log.
i am even asking why you are not with Stocksy, Offset, or Symbiostock. or even starting your own
coop , or "tribal stock" , as i call it. you all know microstock is rotten already,
why sit and get beat up???
So it appears the download packs are gone - this is what I see today on the pricing page (US site): [url]http://digitalbristles.com/temp/123rf-no-download-packs.jpg[/url] ([url]http://digitalbristles.com/temp/123rf-no-download-packs.jpg[/url])
I had been tracking the "subs" that weren't my regular rate and noticed some big gaps - after July 24th, I didn't see another until August 19th. One more on Aug 22 and nothing since. I guess they stopped selling these and the stragglers in August were just using up what they had?
I don't remember seeing anything about these packs going away (but then they didn't tell us they had introduced them either) but I'm happy that they have.