Author Topic: Similar image (Read 9338 times)

CofkoCof · « **on:** May 10, 2008, 04:32 »

I uploaded two versions of the same buttons, aqua and green colored. Aqua ones got accepted but green ones got rejected for "Similar image accepted". I understand that you can change the color yourself if you download the vector format, but I've had many .jpg sells on buttons and you can't change the color that easily there. And color makes all the difference if you are doing a design for your page. That's why I find this rejection just plain stupid. What do you think?

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Pixart · « **Reply #1 on:** May 10, 2008, 10:04 »

Yes, you are a 100% correct. But, that's 123 for you. You have to play a little waiting game with them and split up your submissions.

madelaide · « **Reply #2 on:** May 10, 2008, 20:58 »

I had a similar problem, one image in original colors and one in altered, the latter was accepted and the first was rejected for similarity. Also one image in two versions (horiz and vert), they only picked one.

Regards,
Adelaide

4seasons · « **Reply #3 on:** May 11, 2008, 08:46 »

Quote from: CofkoCof on May 10, 2008, 04:32

I uploaded two versions of the same buttons, aqua and green colored. Aqua ones got accepted but green ones got rejected for "Similar image accepted". I understand that you can change the color yourself if you download the vector format, but I've had many .jpg sells on buttons and you can't change the color that easily there. And color makes all the difference if you are doing a design for your page. That's why I find this rejection just plain stupid. What do you think?

No, it's not stupid.
Looking from contributor's side, you may be right because there a different colors.
Looking from agency's side, it's a very normal.

Think about that: if a real professional is doing an original design, he will make a very original buttons for website himself and will not buy wholesales buttons on agencies, especially like your buttons: these simple buttons any designer can do himself in a few minutes.
Or buys a vector buttons where he can change colors or even shapes.

If someone is doing design and is seeking for a buttons, he already knows what colors he needs and if he needs blue, maybe will buy yours, bet if he needs grey, o red, or brown, you anyway can't upload all possible colors and variants. In this case you must upload 10-20 different colors with hope some color will fit designer's demand.

In your case the blue is more universal color and green is more specific that's why blue was accepted. Just think not only about what you can do but what designer needs and what is agency's viewpoint. Try to do more universal than specifically, especially when doing simple stuff. Leave place for designer to change colors: maybe upload separate buttons backgrounds, for ex. 6 colors and separate black isolated forms- all in one file. Then designer himself can choose color, crop the form, fill color and do button that fits his website design. I do that, when I'm doing jpgs.

CofkoCof · « **Reply #4 on:** May 11, 2008, 13:05 »

After reading your reply I'm surprized any icons sell, since it's so easy for a designer to make them. Actually they sell really well.

Even if they buy vector it's not that easy to change colors. I know, I did it. And if I was a boss of some well paid designer I'd tell him to buy the icons in the right color and work on the desing of the page instead of wasting half an hour to change the colors. It's cheaper that way. Istock has very strict rules, but they accept different colors.

Example:
http://www.istockphoto.com/file_search.php?action=file&lightboxID=1619920
http://www.istockphoto.com/file_search.php?action=file&lightboxID=1441636

Some designer may like my icons, but the color doesn't match. He wouldn't buy them then. Also there are many designers that don't have access to vector editing programs.

alex123rf · « **Reply #5 on:** May 11, 2008, 19:57 »

Thanks for the feedback, we'll see what we can do to change the review policy.

In any case, if you'd like us to reverse the rejections for similar vectors, please email us.

Thank you!

alex.

madelaide · « **Reply #6 on:** May 11, 2008, 20:21 »

Alex,

I'm not sure what would be the best option in the vector+raster case here. I have already uploaded jpegs (I don't upload the vector files) of images with different colors, but in my case it was light foreground over a dark background and vice-versa. I don't remember if these were rejected in 123RF.

In general, I think the horiz x vert variations should be valid, as well as some color variation.

For instance, I have one image in 123RF that was accepted sells well. It is a variant of an original that was not accepted and sells better everywhere else. Both were submitted together, you picked the variant (altered colors).

Of course, it is important not to double or triple the number of images in the site by accepting a variation of each one. I submit variations when I think they have a strength that originals lack.

Regards,
Adelaide

alex123rf · « **Reply #7 on:** May 11, 2008, 23:24 »

hi Madelaide,

That's why a complete review of the policy and what can be called "strengths" or an altered image.

I had a article once on the forum that used rinder's example of a woman who was shot in both color and black and white, the black and white version was so powerful it would be inane for us to reject it on our policy, but he was reviewed by one of our more experienced reviewers.

But yes, we know what you're saying and I've been advocating that for quite some time

Thanks!

4seasons · « **Reply #8 on:** May 12, 2008, 01:16 »

Quote from: CofkoCof on May 11, 2008, 13:05

After reading your reply I'm surprized any icons sell, since it's so easy for a designer to make them. Actually they sell really well.

Even if they buy vector it's not that easy to change colors. I know, I did it. And if I was a boss of some well paid designer I'd tell him to buy the icons in the right color and work on the desing of the page instead of wasting half an hour to change the colors. It's cheaper that way. Istock has very strict rules, but they accept different colors.

Example:
http://www.istockphoto.com/file_search.php?action=file&lightboxID=1619920
http://www.istockphoto.com/file_search.php?action=file&lightboxID=1441636

Some designer may like my icons, but the color doesn't match. He wouldn't buy them then. Also there are many designers that don't have access to vector editing programs.

CofkoCof @ Please don't offense. We're both in the same boat. I'm doing icons as well and know what?- I'm still surprised that they sell. It's not about yours icons. Your icons are fine. I'm talking in general. There are some very original and professional icons and a lot of really simple icons on micros. I think that if a designer can't do some icons he is not a designer, at least not a professional, not to saying about simple shapes in photoshop. He is just dilettante who don't know photoshop. I don't know why is difficult to change vector colors in Illustrator? It's not a Space Shuttle. Again, a designer who can't change vector's color is not a designer, at least not a professional.
Lets make clear, saying "designer" I mean a professional, who knows very well at least main raster and vector graphics, web design editing and layout programs. These programs are his bread and butter.

Time is another question. If I was a boss of some well paid designer I'd tell him to seek original and unique icons in right colors. If there are no such icons, then I'd tell him to create. Because he is well paid, that means I care about my website or another project and I want it would be original, unique and professional, as I'm investing big money.

Money is third question. You and I are selling our icons because of money. I don't know, who and why are buying mine or your icons, but if they buy, that's mean our stuff was right in colors, in time and in money. That's it.

Good luck!

CofkoCof · « **Reply #9 on:** May 12, 2008, 02:02 »

I checked how many of my sales at 123rf are .jpgs and how many are vector formats. It roughly about 80:20 in favour of jpg format. Changing colors in jpg on those is pretty hard since I use gradients:

I agree that it's easy to make them (even I can make them, and I'm not really a designer

), that's why I suspect that people who don't know much about designing icons buy them. They want a finished product which can be easily incorporated into their work. Looking from that perspective different colors should be allowed (or at least it makes it easier for them).

If they want original and unique icons stock isn't for them in the first place, since the really nice and original icons sell 1000 of times there. They need a designer doing icons only. Changing colors is not that hard (in AI, but most people buy .jpg!), but for sure it costs more to buy image + pay the designer to change color, that just buy the image in the correct color. Therefore they don't buy icons in the wrong color but rather search for other ones. And that's why I loose sales because of color. I could do a set with all the colors included. But that's a lot more work for me and also I don't think the preview would look nice.

The fact that icon set with the changed color sells as well as the original is another proof of that.

madelaide · « **Reply #10 on:** May 12, 2008, 20:25 »

CofkoCof,

Have you considered having the same set in two or three diff colors in the same jpeg?

Alex,

Given your reply, can I ask a re-evaluation of previous rejections (hor x vert)?

Regards,
Adelaide

rjmiz · « **Reply #11 on:** May 13, 2008, 01:17 »

Most designers take an image like the one you are showing and regularly change
the colors very easily in a program like photoshop - Using the HUE/SATURATION adjustment layer.

The reviewer knowing this made his/her decision on based on this fact is my guess.
I.E. If I uploaded a green circle, and then the same circle in red, blue, white, gray, I would expect rejections.

Cranky MIZ

CofkoCof · « **Reply #12 on:** May 13, 2008, 03:08 »

Quote from: madelaide on May 12, 2008, 20:25

CofkoCof,

Have you considered having the same set in two or three diff colors in the same jpeg?

Yeah I thought about it, might try it on a set.

CofkoCof · « **Reply #13 on:** May 13, 2008, 08:22 »

Looks like they reviewed the green icons again and they got accepted. Alex tnx for the quick response.

alex123rf · « **Reply #14 on:** May 13, 2008, 18:59 »

What The Miz said is very true. Another reason why we do not encourage many similars is that your downloads might get diluted across different versions, and that will lower the search visibility a significant amount when searched via "Most Downloaded" sort order.

So do give it a think.

As for Horz / Vert shots, we feel that if the accepted image can be cropped or zoomed to produce the complimentary image, we will reject the complimentary one.

Do you think that's a fair evaluation?

Thanks for the feedback!

Alex

madelaide · « **Reply #15 on:** May 13, 2008, 20:21 »

Quote from: alex123rf on May 13, 2008, 18:59

As for Horz / Vert shots, we feel that if the accepted image can be cropped or zoomed to produce the complimentary image, we will reject the complimentary one.

If the search engine has a filter for image format (hor/vert/sq), then it may affect search results. If a buyer is specifically looking for a vertical image, he may not consider horizontal ones he may crop.

Sometimes it's not a crop anyway, but a different shot just rotating the camera.

Regards,
Adelaide

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