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Agency Based Discussion => Alamy.com => Topic started by: Wampa on May 26, 2010, 14:51

Title: 24 is the new 48
Post by: Wampa on May 26, 2010, 14:51
Alamy change the rule about minimum uncompressed size of upload photo from 48 MB to 24 MB.

I think it is good news for all. Dont need upsized  photos. What do you think ??

Here is original blog from alamy http://www.alamy.com/Blog/contributor/archive/2010/05/24/4819.aspx (http://www.alamy.com/Blog/contributor/archive/2010/05/24/4819.aspx)
Title: Re: 24 is the new 48
Post by: Dook on May 26, 2010, 14:57
At last.
Title: Re: 24 is the new 48
Post by: Stu49 on May 26, 2010, 15:00
Very interesting !!  I may start uploading again !?  :)
Title: Re: 24 is the new 48
Post by: madelaide on May 26, 2010, 15:15
That will save us precious time.  And their storage.

I guess this means they will be much pickier about sharpness now?
Title: Re: 24 is the new 48
Post by: Fotonaut on May 26, 2010, 15:16
Finally Alamy will fit into my standard workflow. Great news.
Title: Re: 24 is the new 48
Post by: lisafx on May 26, 2010, 15:20
Good news.  Thanks for posting :)
Title: Re: 24 is the new 48
Post by: madelaide on May 26, 2010, 15:32
Read the blog post, it's interesting to notice they will be still accepting upsized 48MB files. How would this affect a buyer, after having selected a couple of images and having the choice of some at 24MB and others at 48MB? In the case he wants high resolution images, I mean.
Title: Re: 24 is the new 48
Post by: microstockphoto.co.uk on May 26, 2010, 15:47
If I were a buyer, I'd prefer a true 24 MB picture compared to an upsampled 48 MB

I'm sure very few photographers use a native 48 MB camera and it never made much sense to me to ask us to upsample pictures (while all other sites are rightly telling us NOT to upsample). So it's a smart decision from Alamy.

Now it would be even smarter if they stopped saying 24 MB and started saying 8 Megapixels as most humans do

PS: Maybe this normalisation is also a move towards micro?
Title: Re: 24 is the new 48
Post by: leaf on May 26, 2010, 15:51
finally yeah.  Glad that they finally changed this.  I still haven't figured out why they wanted us to upsize images.  Glad we don't have to anymore.
Title: Re: 24 is the new 48
Post by: Wampa on May 26, 2010, 15:52
There is another way for journalist photographer. http://www.alamy.com/registration/archive_upload_apply.aspx (http://www.alamy.com/registration/archive_upload_apply.aspx) here you can contribute as journalist photographer and upload 5MB uncompressed photo. These photos must be news photos taken in the last 48 hours or reportage or historical.
Title: Re: 24 is the new 48
Post by: Wampa on May 26, 2010, 15:55
And exclusive creative program http://www.alamy.com/registration/creative_upload_apply.aspx (http://www.alamy.com/registration/creative_upload_apply.aspx) here. I think there will be only high standard photo as microstock photos no documentary or reportage photos.
Title: Re: 24 is the new 48
Post by: donding on May 26, 2010, 15:56
wow that's great. I haven't  uploaded to them in a very long time because of the time consuming task of upsizing. As a matter of fact I'd deleted almost everything off there. I wonder if they are still going to reject batches or just one picture. If they got that down then I'm sure more would upload. There headed to microstock.
Title: Re: 24 is the new 48
Post by: ShadySue on May 26, 2010, 16:53
Well, how ironic is that. I slave away at the micros just so that I could earn the gear I needed to submit to Alamy without upsampling. I thought Alamy was my 'natural' niche. How wrong was I? 4 sales in 14 months, and less $$ altogether than almost every week on iStock; and now they're accepting pics that I could probably have submitted with my original camera. Huh - talk about backing the wrong horse!!!  :o
IN the interests of transparency I should say that I got my 5th Alamy sale today  ;D - but still far from payout  :(
Title: Re: 24 is the new 48
Post by: sharpshot on May 26, 2010, 17:15
What was so difficult about upsizing?  It takes me about 3 seconds.  If it was putting people off uploading, that was probably a good thing.  They allready have 19 million images.  I just wish they had started a microstock collection, separate from the macro images, looks like it is too late now.
Title: Re: 24 is the new 48
Post by: epantha on May 26, 2010, 17:50
I'm really glad they made this change. :) Coming from a print background, it's usually a TERRIBLE idea to upsize a photo. I might start uploading again too, was having problems getting my upsized photos accepted before.
Title: Re: 24 is the new 48
Post by: ShadySue on May 26, 2010, 17:51
Repeat post: sorry
Title: Re: 24 is the new 48
Post by: cathyslife on May 26, 2010, 17:52
What was so difficult about upsizing?  It takes me about 3 seconds.  If it was putting people off uploading, that was probably a good thing.  They allready have 19 million images.  I just wish they had started a microstock collection, separate from the macro images, looks like it is too late now.

For me, it wasn't so much the time of upsizing, I also use an action for that. It's the whole new workflow and the taking of yet more space on my hard drives.

I may start uploading again too!
Title: Re: 24 is the new 48
Post by: donding on May 26, 2010, 17:59
What was so difficult about upsizing?  It takes me about 3 seconds.  If it was putting people off uploading, that was probably a good thing.  They allready have 19 million images.  I just wish they had started a microstock collection, separate from the macro images, looks like it is too late now.

For me, it wasn't so much the time of upsizing, I also use an action for that. It's the whole new workflow and the taking of yet more space on my hard drives.

I may start uploading again too!

The hard drive issue is mine also...it was always more hassle than it was worth.
Title: Re: 24 is the new 48
Post by: madelaide on May 26, 2010, 20:24
For me, it wasn't so much the time of upsizing, I also use an action for that. It's the whole new workflow and the taking of yet more space on my hard drives.
Yes, and now I can get rid of the "Alamy" folder!
Title: Re: 24 is the new 48
Post by: Suljo on May 26, 2010, 22:15
Upsizing is not problem, only uploading process is time consumption btw Panther and iStock...
Title: Re: 24 is the new 48
Post by: stormchaser on May 27, 2010, 00:34
I'm really glad they made this change. :) Coming from a print background, it's usually a TERRIBLE idea to upsize a photo.

When done by the clueless, you can have quite a disaster on your hands. I have seen some of those. Ouch! I could never quite understand why they required it either. SO that anything could automatically go full page or a spread I guess.
Title: Re: 24 is the new 48
Post by: Stu49 on May 27, 2010, 02:49
For me, it wasn't so much the time of upsizing, I also use an action for that. It's the whole new workflow and the taking of yet more space on my hard drives.
Yes, and now I can get rid of the "Alamy" folder!

Not if u only have a 10MP camera !!   Still need a separate folder and some up-sizing !  :(
Title: Re: 24 is the new 48
Post by: sharpshot on May 27, 2010, 02:59
Big hard drives are cheap now and when the re-sized image is uploaded, is there any point in keeping it?  It will save a bit of time uploading but I still fear that the site is now going to be swamped with microstock images and sales will be diluted.  I am uploading my microstock portfolio now, I have resisted so far but this has changed my mind.
Title: Re: 24 is the new 48
Post by: Gannet77 on May 27, 2010, 03:26
For me, it wasn't so much the time of upsizing, I also use an action for that. It's the whole new workflow and the taking of yet more space on my hard drives.
Yes, and now I can get rid of the "Alamy" folder!

Not if u only have a 10MP camera !!   Still need a separate folder and some up-sizing !  :(

I don't think so - surely a 10MP image is about 28MB, uncompressed?
Title: Re: 24 is the new 48
Post by: Stu49 on May 27, 2010, 03:35
For me, it wasn't so much the time of upsizing, I also use an action for that. It's the whole new workflow and the taking of yet more space on my hard drives.
Yes, and now I can get rid of the "Alamy" folder!

Not if u only have a 10MP camera !!   Still need a separate folder and some up-sizing !  :(

I don't think so - surely a 10MP image is about 28MB, uncompressed?

You are so right !!  Silly me !   :-[

For some reason I had it in my head it was 18MB !?  Wrong !!!

Must have been thinking of my old 6MP camera.    Thanks for that :)

But will they sell when also available on SS and others ??  That's the question !
Title: Re: 24 is the new 48
Post by: etienjones on May 27, 2010, 04:02
Big hard drives are cheap now and when the re-sized image is uploaded, is there any point in keeping it?  It will save a bit of time uploading but I still fear that the site is now going to be swamped with microstock images and sales will be diluted. I am uploading my microstock portfolio now, I have resisted so far but this has changed my mind.

I too have tried to respect Alamy as a non micrtostock type site.  I am not too sure anymore, especially after recieving 50 cents for a sale last month.
Title: Re: 24 is the new 48
Post by: borg on May 27, 2010, 05:10
For me, it wasn't so much the time of upsizing, I also use an action for that. It's the whole new workflow and the taking of yet more space on my hard drives.
Yes, and now I can get rid of the "Alamy" folder!

Not if u only have a 10MP camera !!   Still need a separate folder and some up-sizing !  :(

I don't think so - surely a 10MP image is about 28MB, uncompressed?

Right!!!

10MPx pic has TIFF 8bits about 28MB
Title: Re: 24 is the new 48
Post by: donding on May 27, 2010, 11:31
If they do lean more towards microstock, which is what they seem to be doing, do you think it would take off???
Title: Re: 24 is the new 48
Post by: borg on May 27, 2010, 14:38
Alamy is not going to become microstock, they compete with microstock,still remain same licenses over RF and RM, but more friendly to photographers...

Here is good explanation about photo market in general:

http://seanlockedigitalimagery.wordpress.com/2009/02/20/the-right-value-for-your-money/ (http://seanlockedigitalimagery.wordpress.com/2009/02/20/the-right-value-for-your-money/)
Title: Re: 24 is the new 48
Post by: shiyali on May 27, 2010, 17:22
Now that they have modernized their upload requirements, maybe they will update their antiquated payout system as well. Let's hope so.
Title: Re: 24 is the new 48
Post by: dbvirago on May 27, 2010, 18:00
Now that they have modernized their upload requirements, maybe they will update their antiquated payout system as well. Let's hope so.

Antiquated? Last payout, the canoe pulled up right on time and offloaded a bale of beaver pelts, just like always.
Title: Re: 24 is the new 48
Post by: donding on May 27, 2010, 18:55
Now that they have modernized their upload requirements, maybe they will update their antiquated payout system as well. Let's hope so.

Payout...what's that????? I've never reached it. Of course I don't have 5000 photos on there either and deleted alot of them last year. I think I might have 50 on there.....doubt I will EVER reach payoput at $200
Title: Re: 24 is the new 48
Post by: shiyali on May 27, 2010, 20:12
200.-? I think it is 250.-U$, which is hard to reach with many sales being at close to micro-midstock prices, as has been reported on this forum. Even if you reach 250.-, where I live cashing an overseas cheque will cost me 10 to 15 U$.
Title: Re: 24 is the new 48
Post by: stockstudios on June 03, 2010, 14:01
200.-? I think it is 250.-U$, which is hard to reach with many sales being at close to micro-midstock prices, as has been reported on this forum. Even if you reach 250.-, where I live cashing an overseas cheque will cost me 10 to 15 U$.

They also have a wire transfer option.  It doesn't cost me anything.
Title: Re: 24 is the new 48
Post by: michealo on June 04, 2010, 04:45
Alamy is not going to become microstock, they compete with microstock,still remain same licenses over RF and RM, but more friendly to photographers...

Here is good explanation about photo market in general:

[url]http://seanlockedigitalimagery.wordpress.com/2009/02/20/the-right-value-for-your-money/[/url] ([url]http://seanlockedigitalimagery.wordpress.com/2009/02/20/the-right-value-for-your-money/[/url])


I had a quick look - and google ads was serving a shutterstock ad, how ironic ...
Title: Re: 24 is the new 48
Post by: ShadySue on June 04, 2010, 18:36
Alamy is not going to become microstock, they compete with microstock,still remain same licenses over RF and RM, but more friendly to photographers...

Here is good explanation about photo market in general:

[url]http://seanlockedigitalimagery.wordpress.com/2009/02/20/the-right-value-for-your-money/[/url] ([url]http://seanlockedigitalimagery.wordpress.com/2009/02/20/the-right-value-for-your-money/[/url])


I had a quick look - and google ads was serving a shutterstock ad, how ironic ...

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Title: Re: 24 is the new 48
Post by: mtkang on July 28, 2010, 01:36
Hi all, so if i am using a 6MP camera or my file is cropped and less than 24MB uncompressed size, does alamy still accept if i upsize them to 24MB?
Title: Re: 24 is the new 48
Post by: ShadySue on July 28, 2010, 02:16
Hi all, so if i am using a 6MP camera or my file is cropped and less than 24MB uncompressed size, does alamy still accept if i upsize them to 24MB?
Yes, subject to not being SOLD etc.
Title: Re: 24 is the new 48
Post by: mtkang on July 28, 2010, 02:36
oic, thank you very much.

Hi all, so if i am using a 6MP camera or my file is cropped and less than 24MB uncompressed size, does alamy still accept if i upsize them to 24MB?
Yes, subject to not being SOLD etc.
Title: Re: 24 is the new 48
Post by: PeterChigmaroff on July 28, 2010, 10:11
I've sold enough images in the 50M range in the past year to make it worthwhile uprezing to this size if you can do it properly.
Title: Re: 24 is the new 48
Post by: madelaide on July 28, 2010, 10:43
I've sold enough images in the 50M range in the past year to make it worthwhile uprezing to this size if you can do it properly.
I thought about this too. Even if not true-size, would a buyer be more interested and give preference to a larger file?

Will Alamy QC be more picky now, so that large-size files need to be ultra sharp like they could not be before when upsized? (That is, only images created in large MPix cameras woud pass QC in large size).
Title: Re: 24 is the new 48
Post by: Dreamframer on July 28, 2010, 11:10
They could do upsize too
Title: Re: 24 is the new 48
Post by: PeterChigmaroff on July 28, 2010, 11:54
I've sold enough images in the 50M range in the past year to make it worthwhile uprezing to this size if you can do it properly.
I thought about this too. Even if not true-size, would a buyer be more interested and give preference to a larger file?

Will Alamy QC be more picky now, so that large-size files need to be ultra sharp like they could not be before when upsized? (That is, only images created in large MPix cameras woud pass QC in large size).

It seems they are more picky with noise etc. but if you're carful you can still get a decent upsizing. However, for most modern cameras this just isn't a consideration anymore. If anything we are now downsizing. I don't know how I would make out submitting my older upsized images today. They do sell though.
Title: Re: 24 is the new 48
Post by: mtkang on July 29, 2010, 00:48
how about in getty and corbis..or other RM agencies, are they requesting upsized images as well? I have no idea what is the reason to upsize an image..
Title: Re: 24 is the new 48
Post by: ShadySue on July 29, 2010, 02:01
how about in getty and corbis..or other RM agencies, are they requesting upsized images as well? I have no idea what is the reason to upsize an image..
Getty for sure, yes.
Title: Re: 24 is the new 48
Post by: PeterChigmaroff on July 29, 2010, 10:54
how about in getty and corbis..or other RM agencies, are they requesting upsized images as well? I have no idea what is the reason to upsize an image..
It's a historical thing. Back when it was determined that the best size to have a digital image file was around 50M based on usage sizes in print. These early files were derived from scans. Digital cameras developed but none were really good enough from mainstream stock until the 1Ds. The 1Ds files at 11MP(33M) could be upsized to 50M nicely meeting the 50M requirement already established. Other agencies adopted this de-facto standard.
Title: Re: 24 is the new 48
Post by: borg on July 29, 2010, 11:31
50M is the best size if customer need the biggest size...
So if you selling there RF photos will you allways sell maximum size?
I don't think so...

Maybe 50MB file size is more imortant for RM pics...
Title: Re: 24 is the new 48
Post by: PeterChigmaroff on July 29, 2010, 12:35
50M is the best size if customer need the biggest size...
So if you selling there RF photos will you allways sell maximum size?
I don't think so...

Maybe 50MB file size is more imortant for RM pics...

50M prints an 11x17 double page spread at 300dpi. A standard the stock industry felt was the best overall maximum size to have. It was the same standard for RM as for RF and had nothing to do with a license type. Your statement should read " Maybe 50M file size is more important to macro pics than micro..." as they are rooted in print advertising.