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« Reply #25 on: November 10, 2016, 14:44 »
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To Update you all, I've made my first sale on Alamy and I earned $20 for that :)


« Reply #26 on: November 12, 2016, 02:12 »
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I hate their time consuming 3 tier keywording because I know that however many images I upload, it makes no difference as I still get zero sales.

I'm sorry if I'm too direct, but if you get no sales no matter how many images you upload, then something is wrong on your side.

Maybe your keywording isn't accurate, or your images are just not what sells on Alamy (probably mainly editorial, not stocky looking concepts/creative). Or your postprocessing might not be up to par. Post a link to your portfolio and I'm sure people here will give you constructive feedback why you don't have sales yet.

My portfolio on Alamy is quite small; a bit more than 1000 images. My CTR (zooms vs views) is consistently above 1%, and I make regular sales (4 in the last 30 days).


« Reply #27 on: November 12, 2016, 12:42 »
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I hate their time consuming 3 tier keywording because I know that however many images I upload, it makes no difference as I still get zero sales.

To bad, I hear Alamy is high on farmers standing in a pen with sheeps or goats. The 3 tier is your friend, you can weight the most important words first, unlike SS or IS who decide for us what word order and weight should be.

« Reply #28 on: November 12, 2016, 13:50 »
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« Reply #29 on: November 12, 2016, 13:52 »
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Many say that for every 1000 files you get one sale?
Per day? Per month? Per year?
Many?
Someone posted on the October sales thread that they'd got a sale with a port of <50. It's just if you happen to have what a buyer needs. Generally different buyers from micro. My best selling genre on iS doesn't sell at all (for me) on Alamy (different images, obviously), which is a great pity.

The consensus on the Alamy forums is that, on average, people there get one sale per month per 1000 images. Some do better, some do worse. Just like comparing yourself to the averages in the poll here. I average more than one sale per month per 1000 images. Sorry I wasn't clear before.

« Reply #30 on: November 12, 2016, 16:49 »
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Many say that for every 1000 files you get one sale?
Per day? Per month? Per year?
Many?
Someone posted on the October sales thread that they'd got a sale with a port of <50. It's just if you happen to have what a buyer needs. Generally different buyers from micro. My best selling genre on iS doesn't sell at all (for me) on Alamy (different images, obviously), which is a great pity.

The consensus on the Alamy forums is that, on average, people there get one sale per month per 1000 images. Some do better, some do worse. Just like comparing yourself to the averages in the poll here. I average more than one sale per month per 1000 images. Sorry I wasn't clear before.

Surprisingly, sales from my small portfolio are in rough agreement with that figure.   And I had to stop and reflect on this for a minute because producing 1,000 quality stock photos is a huge amount of work - unless they're dead simple, no-brainer shots.  And the return you can expect on that work is pitiful, even from an honest agency like Alamy. 

« Reply #31 on: November 13, 2016, 14:05 »
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Hi All,
I've about 600 images on alamy and I've received 2986 views - 6 zoom but never got any sale, Is it still keywords fault or just the Alamy slow sales?

Thanks!

6 zooms out of 3000 views equals a click thru ratio of only 0.2%, while the Alamy contributor average is usually around 0.6%. This means your pictures are thee times less likely to be clicked on than average.

This is a strong indicator that there's something wrong. Maybe you added too many irrelevant keywords, so your images show up in searches they shouldn't. Remember to keyword only what the image is of, not everything that's in the image. Or maybe your images just can't compete with other similar images on Alamy. Professional postprocessing is a must.

In the end, without a link to your Alamy portfolio, or without knowing your Alamy contributor name, it is impossible to tell what's wrong.

While I agree that it is probably not wise to have the same pictures on Alamy and on microstock agencies, I don't think this is the main problem in your case. After all, potential customers don't even click on your images to zoom them (I assume a customer zooms an image before trying to get it cheaper somewhere else).

well I'm new to alamy so I am not an expert, but I wonder if it isn't a bit more complicated than that. I currently try to get to understand the system and thankfully they give a lot of information to work with.

So for example if an image got a view with a specific search term it doesn't go automatically, that there had been a zoom at all with that search term or even a sale. This information can easily seen in "my alamy". I have just downloaded my list with search terms and views and 58 % of the search terms I had a view hadn't any zoom at all, so they haven't got any sale neither.

I agree that correct keywording is a must but I wonder if the conclusion that many views and few zooms mean bad keywording is right.


« Reply #32 on: November 13, 2016, 22:06 »
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Many say that for every 1000 files you get one sale?
Per day? Per month? Per year?
Many?
Someone posted on the October sales thread that they'd got a sale with a port of <50. It's just if you happen to have what a buyer needs. Generally different buyers from micro. My best selling genre on iS doesn't sell at all (for me) on Alamy (different images, obviously), which is a great pity.

The consensus on the Alamy forums is that, on average, people there get one sale per month per 1000 images. Some do better, some do worse. Just like comparing yourself to the averages in the poll here. I average more than one sale per month per 1000 images. Sorry I wasn't clear before.

Surprisingly, sales from my small portfolio are in rough agreement with that figure.   And I had to stop and reflect on this for a minute because producing 1,000 quality stock photos is a huge amount of work - unless they're dead simple, no-brainer shots.  And the return you can expect on that work is pitiful, even from an honest agency like Alamy.

Right and that's why people who quote downloads per thousand are not using their brains. No-brainer shots, no download shots and no number for downloads per unknown photos or 1000 common ordinary shots. There is no expected download per shot number when we are all different and so are our photos. Why do people insist on making up these statitistics with no value or meaning and promoting them?

I don't get 1 sale per month for each 1000 photos. Some people will get many more, if they have better pictures. Anything micro has never sold for me on Alamy. I think buyers are smart enough to search for a $10 download instead of $48 download for the same picture?

Yes, $20 is average now for a download on Alamy. And better words first that match the photo subject exact will get better sales. Views for a mismatch don't mean any sales ever.
« Last Edit: November 14, 2016, 11:28 by YadaYadaYada »

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« Reply #33 on: November 14, 2016, 03:54 »
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I have noticed that refining the keywords on my portfolio things will go better

« Reply #34 on: November 14, 2016, 15:23 »
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Many say that for every 1000 files you get one sale?
Per day? Per month? Per year?
Many?
Someone posted on the October sales thread that they'd got a sale with a port of <50. It's just if you happen to have what a buyer needs. Generally different buyers from micro. My best selling genre on iS doesn't sell at all (for me) on Alamy (different images, obviously), which is a great pity.

The consensus on the Alamy forums is that, on average, people there get one sale per month per 1000 images. Some do better, some do worse. Just like comparing yourself to the averages in the poll here. I average more than one sale per month per 1000 images. Sorry I wasn't clear before.

Surprisingly, sales from my small portfolio are in rough agreement with that figure.   And I had to stop and reflect on this for a minute because producing 1,000 quality stock photos is a huge amount of work - unless they're dead simple, no-brainer shots.  And the return you can expect on that work is pitiful, even from an honest agency like Alamy.

Right and that's why people who quote downloads per thousand are not using their brains. No-brainer shots, no download shots and no number for downloads per unknown photos or 1000 common ordinary shots. There is no expected download per shot number when we are all different and so are our photos. Why do people insist on making up these statitistics with no value or meaning and promoting them?

I don't get 1 sale per month for each 1000 photos. Some people will get many more, if they have better pictures. Anything micro has never sold for me on Alamy. I think buyers are smart enough to search for a $10 download instead of $48 download for the same picture?

Yes, $20 is average now for a download on Alamy. And better words first that match the photo subject exact will get better sales. Views for a mismatch don't mean any sales ever.

I don't agree with your general objection that "1 sale per month per 1000 pictures" is a figure without value. For sure it is true that some people will have more and some will have less. Don't read "1 sale per 1000" as "1.00". It could easily be double or half that figure. The main benefit of this 1 per 1000 statement is that it shows newbies what they can expect. The forum is full of newbies who complain that they have no sales with a portfolio of 100 pictures.

Also, on a further note, your absolute statement that "$20 is average now on Alamy" is on the same level as "1 sale per 1000 images per month". How can you condemn one and promote another? The average sale price is depending on many factors, including if a contributor signed up for the UK newspaper deal (with very low payout rates), and of course, to which market their pictures appeal.


I don't believe this theory that pictures which are on micros don't sell on Alamy. Don't get me wrong, I don't like the microstock concept, and I'm not submitting to any such agency. But I repeatedly sell licenses for absolutely trivial images (e.g., banknotes) for three digit values on Alamy, although essentially the same images are available on micros. Apparently, not all customers compare prices.

« Reply #35 on: November 15, 2016, 13:47 »
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Personal experience, Micro images don't sell on Alamy. Personal experience, the average sale is now $20 commission. I have thousands of images on Alamy, I don't get one sale per thousand on average. Hope that explains my viewpoint better.

What one person gets, doesn't mean anybody else can or SHOULD expect the same. 1 sale per 1000 is air and false for new people. They should be told, expect what you earn will be proportinante to what your photos are and if Alamy buyers want them. Not how many equals how many sales.

My last sale had no views. I've had that before. Views are not a measure of sales, like some will also add, 1 sale per 100 views or some other rubbish numbers.

« Reply #36 on: November 15, 2016, 15:17 »
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"Micro images don't sell on Alamy"

Although this gets said a lot, I've never seen a single example to illustrate this theory. My best sellers on Alamy are just as popular on the micros. Alamy sells as good as the column to the right of these words would indicate. Less sales, albeit higher priced, but averages out to right around 123RF and Dreamstime overall. Shutterstock, Fotolia, even Pond5 eat Alamy for breakfast. I barely make enough to justify the tedious keywording system.

« Reply #37 on: November 16, 2016, 04:46 »
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Perhaps its microstock style images of people that don't sell well on Alamy?  My microstock images sell better than my editorial images that are exclusive on Alamy.  I don't mind doing the keywords because other people don't bother and it makes it easier for me to sell.

Alamy sales are above DT, FT and 123RF for me.  Unlike most of the microstock sites, I feel that it's worth uploading new images to Alamy.  They don't sink without trace like they are currently doing with SS.

« Reply #38 on: November 17, 2016, 13:07 »
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"Micro images don't sell on Alamy"

Although this gets said a lot, I've never seen a single example to illustrate this theory. My best sellers on Alamy are just as popular on the micros. Alamy sells as good as the column to the right of these words would indicate. Less sales, albeit higher priced, but averages out to right around 123RF and Dreamstime overall. Shutterstock, Fotolia, even Pond5 eat Alamy for breakfast. I barely make enough to justify the tedious keywording system.

You left off my word, MY micro don't sell as well on Alamy. My point remains the same. Individual not by forum pundits experience. We all have different photos and subjects. Counting numbers for different pictures makes no sense. "how many photos do I need to make $100?" who knows? What are the photos? No way to know how many sales per 1000 if we don't know whaat the photos are!

What subjects and styles sells better on Alamy then Micro, that's the question.

I like Alamy, one $20 sale is 71 subs on some place. It's like sharpshot says, worth the time and effort to make good keywords.

« Reply #39 on: December 01, 2016, 03:29 »
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So...I got this sale today, the same file was sold twice, for 194,9$ gross each time. Is this like a mistake, or what would that be...? I sure hope it's real...
« Last Edit: December 01, 2016, 03:32 by Dumc »

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« Reply #40 on: January 13, 2017, 07:24 »
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I'll use my case as as example.

I've been submitting to Alamy for just over a year...

currently: 1405 images
Total views: 7601
Total zooms: 32
Total CTR: 0.42

I didn't have any downloads for the first 6 months, however past 6 months came 8 in a flurry. 7/8 have been heavily commissioned due to the "distribution commission". However, my latest sale was $118.74 and 50% commission to me. That's a lot of subs.

I don't know who came up with that 1,000 portfolio for 1 sale a month rule of thumb. I rather have a portfolio with 100 premium images than 1,000 mediocre images.

What did I change?
- The stuff that goes on Alamy should be different than other microstuff since most buyers are smart enough to shop around (which many people have stated here but should be repeated)
- I've decided to start submitting most of my editorial from micros to Alamy RM. I'll likely leave them there for a year or so and if there are no sales, switch them to RF editorial (when it's rolled out) and also submit them at SS.
- There's the keywords difference but I don't know so much about that. I do try harder with more accurate captions since they also contribute to keywords.
« Last Edit: January 13, 2017, 07:28 by Brasilnut »

« Reply #41 on: January 23, 2017, 14:45 »
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So, how long does it take for sale to be reported after image has been zoomed (and downloaded). I know from my experience, that it usually takes 3 months between zoom and reported sale, sometimes less. I found one of my images here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/destinations/europe/slovenia/articles/slovenia-restaurants/

Article is from 5th of October, image was zoomed about 2 days earlier, but no sale has been reported yet.
And also, what commission can I expect from that kind of usage:)?

« Reply #42 on: January 23, 2017, 18:49 »
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So, how long does it take for sale to be reported after image has been zoomed (and downloaded). I know from my experience, that it usually takes 3 months between zoom and reported sale, sometimes less. I found one of my images here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/destinations/europe/slovenia/articles/slovenia-restaurants/

Article is from 5th of October, image was zoomed about 2 days earlier, but no sale has been reported yet.
And also, what commission can I expect from that kind of usage:)?


It really varies a lot from one customer (and type of contract they have) to another. I have contacted support in the past when I found a usage for an image online but there was nothing showing for a sale at Alamy. They replied "Weve a relevant download for your image CTxxxx from (customer name).
 
A delay in reporting usages is perfectly normal. Some of our customers take up to 3 months to report usages. If you dont see the sale appear in your account within this timeframe then please get back to us. Well then check this against the customers downloads and invoice it."

And the amount of the sale isn't predictable unless you know the terms of the contract that applies.

ShadySue

« Reply #43 on: January 23, 2017, 18:55 »
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So, how long does it take for sale to be reported after image has been zoomed (and downloaded). I know from my experience, that it usually takes 3 months between zoom and reported sale, sometimes less. I found one of my images here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/destinations/europe/slovenia/articles/slovenia-restaurants/

Article is from 5th of October, image was zoomed about 2 days earlier, but no sale has been reported yet.
And also, what commission can I expect from that kind of usage:)?


It really varies a lot from one customer (and type of contract they have) to another. I have contacted support in the past when I found a usage for an image online but there was nothing showing for a sale at Alamy. They replied "Weve a relevant download for your image CTxxxx from (customer name).
 
A delay in reporting usages is perfectly normal. Some of our customers take up to 3 months to report usages. If you dont see the sale appear in your account within this timeframe then please get back to us. Well then check this against the customers downloads and invoice it."

And the amount of the sale isn't predictable unless you know the terms of the contract that applies.


All accurate.
The Telegraph is is the UKNS*, so if you're opted into that, the sale value will be fairly small. Also, sadly, your pic will be on hundreds of asian blogs, aggregators etc before you even knew about the sale.
*=UK Newspaper Scheme, hefty discounts but otherwise no sales there.

« Reply #44 on: January 24, 2017, 06:47 »
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Thanks for replies. Honestly, I wasn't expecting much. I sold photo for The guardian, and was on top of the article and full-screen, if you clicked on it, and I got 7$ gross. Anyway, I'll wait abouth another month or so and then ask support about it.

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« Reply #45 on: March 02, 2017, 02:47 »
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I had the exact same experience. Sold to a national online paper for an article and got about ther same too.
« Last Edit: March 02, 2017, 03:53 by Herg »


 

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