Author Topic: Alamay, micros and Editorial (Read 8041 times)

sarah2 · « **on:** September 10, 2012, 03:24 »

Hoping for some clarification here....

I know that I mustn't submit general RF micro photos to Alamy as RM.
BUT
if I understand correctly, any Editorial photos (with logos, products, people etc) submitted to Alamy automatically become RF.
So does this mean that I must choose EITHER to send Editorial to the micros OR Alamy?

Maybe I'm just easily confused but advice appreciated!

ShadySue · « **Reply #1 on:** September 10, 2012, 04:45 »

Quote from: sarah2 on September 10, 2012, 03:24

Hoping for some clarification here....

I know that I mustn't submit general RF micro photos to Alamy as RM.
BUT
if I understand correctly, any Editorial photos (with logos, products, people etc) submitted to Alamy automatically become RF RM (typo!).
So does this mean that I must choose EITHER to send Editorial to the micros OR Alamy?

Yes

sarah2 · « **Reply #2 on:** September 10, 2012, 05:59 »

Brilliant! Many thanks for prompt reply! Nice and simple too!

click_click · « **Reply #3 on:** September 10, 2012, 10:23 »

Quote from: sarah2 on September 10, 2012, 03:24

Hoping for some clarification here....

I know that I mustn't submit general RF micro photos to Alamy as RM.
BUT
if I understand correctly, any Editorial photos (with logos, products, people etc) submitted to Alamy automatically become RF.
So does this mean that I must choose EITHER to send Editorial to the micros OR Alamy?

Maybe I'm just easily confused but advice appreciated!

I don't want to confuse anyone but maybe my rusty English isn't really up to speed.

Photos with logos and people without a property release (editorial) cannot be sold as RF at Alamy (well you can try but unreleased images should NOT be RF).

These images should be marked as RM at Alamy.

I have never heard or read anything about editorial content being exclusive to Alamy. As far as I know editorial can be sold non-exclusively like other content on Alamy as well (unless you mark it RM exclusive).

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

lisafx · « **Reply #4 on:** September 10, 2012, 10:39 »

Personally I have always assumed that you either put your editorial stuff on Alamy as RM OR on the micros as RF editorial.

I may be wrong, but I thought it was specifically prohibited at Alamy to have the same images RF elsewhere and RM on Alamy. Even if it isn't prohibited, it seems pretty shady.

RacePhoto · « **Reply #5 on:** September 10, 2012, 10:42 »

Reply to both.

Nothing is Exclusive on Alamy just because of license type.

Everything Editorial on Alamy is RM and as soon as you click "no model release" or "no property release" it's all set as Editorial RM on Alamy.

Nice and easy.

Quote from: lisafx on September 10, 2012, 10:39

Personally I have always assumed that you either put your editorial stuff on Alamy as RM OR on the micros as RF editorial.

I may be wrong, but I thought it was specifically prohibited at Alamy to have the same images RF elsewhere and RM on Alamy. Even if it isn't prohibited, it seems pretty shady.

AGREE!

ShadySue · « **Reply #6 on:** September 10, 2012, 10:47 »

Quote from: click_click on September 10, 2012, 10:23

Quote from: sarah2 on September 10, 2012, 03:24
Hoping for some clarification here....

I know that I mustn't submit general RF micro photos to Alamy as RM.
BUT
if I understand correctly, any Editorial photos (with logos, products, people etc) submitted to Alamy automatically become RF.
So does this mean that I must choose EITHER to send Editorial to the micros OR Alamy?

Maybe I'm just easily confused but advice appreciated!
I don't want to confuse anyone but maybe my rusty English isn't really up to speed.

Photos with logos and people without a property release (editorial) cannot be sold as RF at Alamy (well you can try but unreleased images should NOT be RF).

These images should be marked as RM at Alamy.

I have never heard or read anything about editorial content being exclusive to Alamy. As far as I know editorial can be sold non-exclusively like other content on Alamy as well (unless you mark it RM exclusive).

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

It is non-exclusive RM, so can be sold RM elsewhere; but the OP asked particularly about editorial images as RF on the micros, which is all that's allowed there. So of course they can't also be sold (as RM) on Alamy.

Simple.

click_click · « **Reply #7 on:** September 10, 2012, 10:55 »

So if I understand correctly, I cannot upload the same editorial image to Alamy as RM (because I don't have the releases) AND to the micros as editorial (RF).

I must have been living under a rock as I have never heard the term editorial RF. I just thought there is RF, RM and editorial period. Is it fair to assume that it's called editorial RF because it can be licensed once and used "forever", while as RM at Alamy it's a one time usage kind of thing?

I'm so out of the loop.

ShadySue · « **Reply #8 on:** September 10, 2012, 11:04 »

Quote from: click_click on September 10, 2012, 10:55

So if I understand correctly, I cannot upload the same editorial image to Alamy as RM (because I don't have the releases) AND to the micros as editorial (RF).

Correct. That was the OP's question.

Quote

I must have been living under a rock as I have never heard the term editorial RF. I just thought there is RF, RM and editorial period. Is it fair to assume that it's called editorial RF because it can be licensed once and used "forever", while as RM at Alamy it's a one time usage kind of thing?

Yes.

[And no, editorial is not a type of license, it's a type of image (unreleased) that can only be used editorially. The license can be either RF or RM.]

click_click · « **Reply #9 on:** September 10, 2012, 11:22 »

Quote from: ShadySue on September 10, 2012, 11:04

Quote from: click_click on September 10, 2012, 10:55
So if I understand correctly, I cannot upload the same editorial image to Alamy as RM (because I don't have the releases) AND to the micros as editorial (RF).

Correct. That was the OP's question.

Quote
I must have been living under a rock as I have never heard the term editorial RF. I just thought there is RF, RM and editorial period. Is it fair to assume that it's called editorial RF because it can be licensed once and used "forever", while as RM at Alamy it's a one time usage kind of thing?
Yes.

[And no, editorial is not a type of license, it's a type of image (unreleased) that can only be used editorially. The license can be either RF or RM.]

What a wonderful world - I still earn something new every day. What a shame I've been doing this for 7 years now and didn't know

txking · « **Reply #10 on:** November 21, 2012, 01:04 »

If you are taking an editorial image though and putting a limit to how it can be used (editorial only) even if it is sold on a micro site isn't that still a rights managed image though as you are dictating how the image is able to be used?

John W. · « **Reply #11 on:** November 21, 2012, 09:25 »

...delete... (I get it)

ShadySue · « **Reply #12 on:** November 21, 2012, 14:50 »

Quote from: txking on November 21, 2012, 01:04

If you are taking an editorial image though and putting a limit to how it can be used (editorial only) even if it is sold on a micro site isn't that still a rights managed image though as you are dictating how the image is able to be used?

No. Good try, though!

txking · « **Reply #13 on:** November 21, 2012, 19:56 »

What makes the difference?

RacePhoto · « **Reply #14 on:** November 27, 2012, 13:58 »

Quote from: txking on November 21, 2012, 19:56

What makes the difference?

Oh lets say it took about two months and some head pounding from the regulars here, for me to understand.

You can't license the same image RF one place and RM another place. The Editorial part has nothing to do with the license, it's just the use.

Even with that, Editorial only (in my opinion...) is only a suggestion to go with the license. The end user needs to determine the rights and legality. Alamy makes this the clearest by saying, the end user is responsible for the use. So say someone buys an Editorial image, (RF or RM) with no model release, and uses it for advertising, it's their responsibility, not the agency, because the agency and the artist warned them, there's no release.

License is not the same as use. RM is a one time license for a specific period of time, one specific application. (in general terms) RF is a broad license, for an unspecific time in many cases, for an undisclosed application.

Nothing says anything in those two types of licenses about Editorial.

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