Author Topic: Alamy launches Stockimo - upload iPhone pics directly (Read 11247 times)

bunhill · « **on:** February 19, 2014, 04:52 »

For uploading iPhone shots directly from iPhone to Alamy.

http://www.stockimo.com

borg · « **Reply #1 on:** February 19, 2014, 07:42 »

Ok, but where is an Android app.?

bunhill · « **Reply #2 on:** February 19, 2014, 07:50 »

From a developer perspective, Android is something of an hodgepodge for the moment. I have relatively recently come back to doing some programming / development. I took a good look at both Android and iOS.

At the moment, most developers find that iOS is much better platform to build for. Partly because it is much more mature - being built on Mac OS X which was built on NeXT. Also - the iOS model is extremely well specified. Much of what you need to do when building an iOS media app is already there - you only have to hook into functionality which is already provided and well documented.

iOS is standardized. So, for example, if you are building an app which needs access a user’s picture library - well you know where that picture library is and how to address it in code. The rules already exist. And you know all of the possible hardware that the app might be running on. No surprises - no matter what particular camera app they have used.

Building an Android app, by comparison, means taking into account an almost infinite range of possibilities. iOS also has a much more mature integrated development environment. Developing for Android is potentially a much more expensive prospect. But because the money for developers is in iOS development (especially the in-house bespoke stuff which does not get distributed via the store), iOS development is much more established. It is much easier to get good iOS stuff developed.

(Also - there have been relatively few iPhone models and therefore relatively few iPhone cameras - taking the camera to mean the actual hardware + inbuilt processing … before whatever any app does). The iPhone cameras are well regarded. There are probably hundreds of variations on the Android side which likely represents a potential QC inspection bottleneck).

ShadySue · « **Reply #3 on:** February 19, 2014, 08:31 »

I'm on Android, so irrelevant to me. But FI, can you embed your copyright before you upload?
(I can't actually remember if Alamy is one of the sites that strips that info out anyway. - is there a list of which agencies do and don't strip your copyright info somewhere?)

bunhill · « **Reply #4 on:** February 19, 2014, 08:48 »

Quote from: ShadySue on February 19, 2014, 08:31

I'm on Android, so irrelevant to me. But FI, can you embed your copyright before you upload?
(I can't actually remember if Alamy is one of the sites that strips that info out anyway. - is there a list of which agencies do and don't strip your copyright info somewhere?)

The Stockimo app allows you to select and upload a picture from the iPhone Camera Roll (which is a conceptual abstraction where pictures are stored and from where they can be shared). You add a caption and tags. I do not know whether the tags and caption are added to the embedded IPTC data. My guess would be that they are instead uploaded alongside but not within the image. I could be wrong.

There is nothing to stop you using another app to embed IPTC data into your Camera Roll pictures - including copyright etc. I do not know whether Alamy strips metadata. Certainly in Manage Images it is still there.

gostwyck · « **Reply #5 on:** February 19, 2014, 09:55 »

Quote from: bunhill on February 19, 2014, 07:50

From a developer perspective, Android is something of an hodgepodge for the moment. I have relatively recently come back to doing some programming / development. I took a good look at both Android and iOS.

At the moment, most developers find that iOS is much better platform to build for. Partly because it is much more mature - being built on Mac OS X which was built on NeXT. Also - the iOS model is extremely well specified. Much of what you need to do when building an iOS media app is already there - you only have to hook into functionality which is already provided and well documented.

iOS is standardized. So, for example, if you are building an app which needs access a user’s picture library - well you know where that picture library is and how to address it in code. The rules already exist. And you know all of the possible hardware that the app might be running on. No surprises - no matter what particular camera app they have used.

Building an Android app, by comparison, means taking into account an almost infinite range of possibilities. iOS also has a much more mature integrated development environment. Developing for Android is potentially a much more expensive prospect. But because the money for developers is in iOS development (especially the in-house bespoke stuff which does not get distributed via the store), iOS development is much more established. It is much easier to get good iOS stuff developed.

(Also - there have been relatively few iPhone models and therefore relatively few iPhone cameras - taking the camera to mean the actual hardware + inbuilt processing … before whatever any app does). The iPhone cameras are well regarded. There are probably hundreds of variations on the Android side which likely represents a potential QC inspection bottleneck).

^^^ Very interesting Bunhill, thanks for the explanation. I'm even more glad now that I went the Apple-route. Just bought a Macbook Pro last week to compliment the iPhone and iPad and it truly is a dream machine beyond my wildest expectations.

melastmohican · « **Reply #6 on:** February 19, 2014, 10:00 »

Two questions (which are probably valid for any mobile photo apps):
1. Are the going to lower the bar for everybody or just for user who use app. There are not so many phones on the market with good quality and resolution.
2. Why customers should care about mobile photo if they have other made by professional equipment? Are these picture going to be cheaper?

ShadySue · « **Reply #7 on:** February 19, 2014, 10:22 »

Quote from: melastmohican on February 19, 2014, 10:00

Two questions (which are probably valid for any mobile photo apps):
1. Are the going to lower the bar for everybody or just for user who use app. There are not so many phones on the market with good quality and resolution.
2. Why customers should care about mobile photo if they have other made by professional equipment? Are these picture going to be cheaper?

Have you asked on the Alamy forum?

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #8 on:** February 19, 2014, 11:03 »

I'm still not convinced that there's any particular market for iPhone photos - it's another camera and can take useful stock images or not. However given Alamy's recent sales track record (at least for me), I'm not sure it matters.

It was good to see that they offered existing contributors the same deal they currently have - a 50/50 split with the agency. However if you aren't an existing contributor, you only get 20% royalties.

Anyone want to start a betting pool on when the royalty rates for contributors will be reduced again?

melastmohican · « **Reply #9 on:** February 19, 2014, 12:15 »

I wonder when some of the big players from internet/technology sector like Google, Apple, Amazon or even Yahoo/Flickr would realize that they can make money from digital media? They already got superior technology available and it would not be their mayor line of business so they can offer app store like 70/30 split. That would demolish whole stock industry in couple months.

ShadySue · « **Reply #10 on:** February 19, 2014, 12:20 »

Quote from: melastmohican on February 19, 2014, 12:15

I wonder when some of the big players from internet/technology sector like Google, Apple, Amazon or even Yahoo/Flickr would realize that they can make money from digital media? They already got superior technology available and it would not be their mayor line of business so they can offer app store like 70/30 split. That would demolish whole stock industry in couple months.

Wonder what sort of kickback and handcuffs Flickr has from Getty.

melastmohican · « **Reply #11 on:** February 19, 2014, 12:23 »

Quote from: ShadySue on February 19, 2014, 12:20

Quote from: melastmohican on February 19, 2014, 12:15
I wonder when some of the big players from internet/technology sector like Google, Apple, Amazon or even Yahoo/Flickr would realize that they can make money from digital media? They already got superior technology available and it would not be their mayor line of business so they can offer app store like 70/30 split. That would demolish whole stock industry in couple months.
Wonder what sort of kickback and handcuffs Flickr has from Getty.

Yea, they might sign Non Competing Agreement of some sort.

MarcvsTvllivs · « **Reply #12 on:** February 19, 2014, 16:36 »

Like every of the mobile stock apps I have immediately checked this out. My impressions are quite positive. The deal is fair (50%), the payout is realistically low ($10), the app is stable, and the sales channel is sound -- good old plain vanilla Alamy. They even sell the editorial stuff as RM!

cobalt · « **Reply #13 on:** February 19, 2014, 17:16 »

EmberMike · « **Reply #14 on:** February 19, 2014, 19:50 »

Quote from: Jo Ann Snover on February 19, 2014, 11:03

I'm still not convinced that there's any particular market for iPhone photos...

Same here, but I'm willing to give this a try. I see this as more of a hobby that could put some extra coffee money in my pocket. I wouldn't go out of my way to shoot a photo for this, but I'm out most of the day doing things with my son and not working anyway, so having a small channel like this to get some stock content online could be interesting.

And I'm happy to support this instead of Yuri's thing.

nullornotset · « **Reply #15 on:** February 20, 2014, 06:57 »

Quote from: melastmohican on February 19, 2014, 12:15

I wonder when some of the big players from internet/technology sector like Google, Apple, Amazon or even Yahoo/Flickr would realize that they can make money from digital media? They already got superior technology available and it would not be their mayor line of business so they can offer app store like 70/30 split. That would demolish whole stock industry in couple months.

Those images at flickr widely contains brands so the copyrighted values. (which fellow stock photographers having great time to remove them or not use at all)

Almost all of these brands do not allow resale because possible bad usage or underestimated commercial value of theirs products. (so no deal would be there)

As far as i know people portraits don't have any kind of model release. (forget these images as well)

Option A:
After subtracting all above; remains huge amount of cat photos (kidding) and some landscape photos

so its not such a big market...

Option B:
These images only would available for editorial use if anyone care to do so.

So flickr integration wont work unless they cant achieve to pass these barriers listed above.

ppdd · « **Reply #16 on:** February 20, 2014, 12:37 »

I played with this - descriptions and keywording on the mobile device is brutal. The interface is fine, but maybe I just don't text enough. Ugh...

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #17 on:** February 20, 2014, 22:16 »

Blah, Blah, Blah i this and i that, we have the Ivantage.

http://www.comscore.com/Insights/Blog/Android_vs_iOS_User_Differences_Every_Developer_Should_Know

More iPhone people make purchases. So #1 it's all about money, not platform.

Iphone has a higher device loyality. That's news to anyone who knows a MacNazi?

According to comScore MobiLens data from December 2012, Android currently owns the larger market share at 53 percent, while iPhone holds a strong #2 position at 36 percent.

So let me ask, which platform has more devices or users? USA?

Fair enough how about Japan?

Apple's iOS finished ahead of Android by 39.1 percentage points. As a result, iOS, for the three months ending in November last year, garnered 69.1 percent of the Japanese smartphone operating system market share.

WOW that's big. I mean considering the population and the technology and the user base. that's really big!

Germany Android 74, Ios 17. Hmm, that's interesting. Going the opposite direction. Based on users.

Without spending a bunch more time on this. Apple is more lucrative, the users spend more and the apps make more money, but Android owns more of the market and has more units running the OS.

It's all about money, not technology or performance. IOS users spend more, apps are developed for that market first.

Alamy selling phone photos? That's really a sign that the world is jumping into this market, off a cliff, both feet down, without looking at how deep the water is.

ppdd · « **Reply #18 on:** February 21, 2014, 11:24 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on February 20, 2014, 22:16

Blah, Blah, Blah i this and i that, we have the Ivantage.

http://www.comscore.com/Insights/Blog/Android_vs_iOS_User_Differences_Every_Developer_Should_Know

More iPhone people make purchases. So #1 it's all about money, not platform.

(snipped)

Without getting into details, iOS is a much more predictable platform to develop for and the camera hardware is consistent and well known. It makes a ton of sense to deploy this for iOS first since there is obviously a huge user base. Android may have more devices out there, but fewer will meet required quality standards and the software is all over the place.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #19 on:** February 26, 2014, 12:39 »

Never disagreed one bit with that. Better camera, IOS better technology, and a good customer base. But it's still All About The Money and that's why Android gets developed second.

I don't know why all these places are excited about marketing crappy phone photos. Some kind of real "lifestyle" trend? We still see no successful citizen news agency.

I expect the concept to have the longevity of MySpace.

Apparently pointing out that i things aren't the world leader has some people upset and they failed to read what my message said. Pfffft!

"Apple is more lucrative, the users spend more and the apps make more money." It's not about stable technology, or the fact that Apple makes a better product, which also (in general) takes better images.

Quote from: ppdd on February 21, 2014, 11:24

Quote from: Uncle Pete on February 20, 2014, 22:16
Blah, Blah, Blah i this and i that, we have the Ivantage.

http://www.comscore.com/Insights/Blog/Android_vs_iOS_User_Differences_Every_Developer_Should_Know

More iPhone people make purchases. So #1 it's all about money, not platform.

(snipped)

Without getting into details, iOS is a much more predictable platform to develop for and the camera hardware is consistent and well known. It makes a ton of sense to deploy this for iOS first since there is obviously a huge user base. Android may have more devices out there, but fewer will meet required quality standards and the software is all over the place.

Hobostocker · « **Reply #20 on:** February 26, 2014, 13:42 »

Another sign of desperation from Alamy, losing its focus once again and trying again to be the jack of all trades.

This is typical of a management that needs to justify its mediocre sales so they start a dozen new silly projects to poison the waters and looking good in front of investors.

Carl · « **Reply #21 on:** February 28, 2014, 06:20 »

I'm an Android user with the Clashot app. I don't go out of my way to shoot stock with my phone for Clashot, but if I'm gonna shoot something anyway, it's hardly any extra effort to upload to Clashot. For instance, I was replacing the rear brake shoes on my car, and I took pictures with my phone in case I couldn't remember the correct order and position of springs & parts. Afterward, I uploaded the pictures to Clashot. On another occasion, I took pictures of a beautiful, scenic lake from my canoe as I was fishing. You'll find these on Clashot, too. No sales yet, so it's anybody's guess whether or not it's a viable market. Apparently, the folks at DP / Clashot and Alamy see some potential. It doesn't take any extra time for me to upload, either. I usually do it during my morning constitution as I'm sitting on the throne!

Ron · « **Reply #22 on:** February 28, 2014, 06:32 »

I think they are all just jumping on the bandwagon in case it might take off. I dont see it happening.

ShadySue · « **Reply #23 on:** March 02, 2014, 12:28 »

Well, just as well I'm on Android.
It seems that Alamy is allocating, on acceptance, any files which don't need releases as RF - no contributor choice.
http://discussion.alamy.com/index.php?/topic/2061-stockimo-license-types
Also seems they're making a surprising number of rejections on unspecificed grounds.

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Author Topic: Alamy launches Stockimo - upload iPhone pics directly (Read 11247 times)

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